Simulacrum + Stuffy Doll + Spiteful Bully

[Shadowdale]

Has anyone ever tried to put together a deck using these three cards. It seems as if they would be a great start to something.

Lightning Bolt
Sign in Blood
Simulacrum
Crushing Pain
Desperate Ritual
Spitemare
Dark Ritual
Spiteful Bully
Molten Influence
Skeletal Scrying
Dash Hopes
Stuffy Doll

I have narrowed down the cards taht would work in the deck. Does anyone have any thoughts on this. I think it would need some graveyard recursion to keep using the SimuLacrum. Probably needs a great tutor and possibly could be mono black. The inclusion of red can make the stuffy doll pretty nasty. Have it tap to do a damage to its self then cast Crusing Pain on it. Not sure if its possible or not. Does anyone have any thoughts for a deck like this?

I will apologize in advance if this is the wrong section. Please move it to the correct section if I have made an error.

[Zunam]

I don't think that this really relevant for Legacy. This looks more like an attempt for a Casual Deck

Stuffy Doll is slow especially if you plan on building a deck that is not immediately killing the opponent the turn Stuffy Doll comes into play.
Also keep in mind that paying life with cards like Dash Hopes and "Loss of Life" like on Sign of Blood can't be redirected to the doll via Simulacrum.

However I can see Stuffy Doll being a fun card in a casual deck for example with cards like Rage Nimbus.

[Shadowdale]

Even with all the Mana ramp for black and red? I dont really think its that slow. I am not sure however that it would be fast enough to compete with combo decks. :/ I understand the loss of life effect from those cards they are more in there to force the opponent to make a choice. Like I said I think it could be a good center for a deck I just do not know what support cards it would need around it. Do not forget that with Simulacrum you are gaining life from any combat damage that is done to you.

[GGoober]

Lol, MTGS Legacy is quite the joke, so I think yes :P

In all seriousness, 5cmc is almost unplayable in Legacy. 4cmc cards are already bad, but a rare few make the cut due to the sheer power of just the card alone without pairing it up e.g. Elspeth, Jace 2.

If you think red-ramp is good enough, that's not a false statement. The issue is if your final spell still resolves after you ramp, or if you draw the combination of cards (both ramp + combo cards) to be able to play them out before other decks with earlier fundamental turns e.g. Zoo kills you.

[Shadowdale]

So basicaly if there was a way to stall and get the Stuffy on the board maybe without casting it....

[(nameless one)]

Stuffy Doll + Guilty Conscience is so much better of a combo and even that doesn't see Legacy play.

[Shadowdale]

Stuffy Doll + Guilty Conscience is so much better of a combo and even that doesn't see Legacy play.

That is a much better combo. I am surprised that there has not been a way to get this combo in Legacy.

[Pastorofmuppets]

That is a much better combo. I am surprised that there has not been a way to get this combo in Legacy.

Swords to Plowshares
Force of Will
Daze
Wasteland
Krosan Grip
Tendrils of Agony
Path to Exile
Need I say more?

[freakish777]

Shadowdale, the speed of this format prohibits Stuffy Doll from being competitive.

It simply can't compete with the likes of:

Zoo (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?12624) (turn 1 Wild Nacatl, kill you by turn 4 or 5).
Ichorid (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?13767) (Turn 1 discard some dredgers, kill you with hasted zombies by turn 4).
CounterTop (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?13716) (lock you out of resolving spells with Counterbalance and Sensei's Divining Top which shuts down Guilty Conscience, also runs Force of Will and Swords to Plowshares to shut down Stuffy Doll)
Goblins (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?5557) (turn 1 Goblin Lackey, kill you by turn 4 or 5).
TES (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?15028) (kill you on turn 1, 2 or 3 with Tendrils).
Venge-vival (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?2571) (kill you on turn 3 or 4 with Vengevines)
Sneak and Show (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?18871-Sneak-Attack-with-Show-and-Tell) (Show and Tell Emrakul into play on turn 2).


It's not elitist to let people know that their idea won't be competitive and that if they're looking to have fun with their deck that another message board might be more helpful.

Now you might be thinking, well I'll just play with enough control elements in my deck to make sure I get to turn 6 to play Guilty Conscience on my Stuffy Doll. Or maybe, I'll play with enough acceleration to make sure I can cast Stuffy Doll earlier. The problem with this line of reasoning, is why play with Stuffy Doll and acceleration when you could play with Painter Grindstone and Acceleration. Why play with Stuffy Doll and control elements when you could play with Painter Grindstone or Show and Tell + Emrakul and control elements. Or Aluren + Imperial Recruiter (setting aside price concern for the sake of argument) + acceleration + control elements.


If you're looking to have fun, again, I suggest MTGSalvation. If you're looking for competitive, then by all means, test the deck out and make a thread in New and Development. Just don't be surprised when people ask "How do you expect to win against Zoo, Goblins, Venge-vival, TES, CounterTop, etc?" If you prove us wrong, more power to you.

[majikal]

^^^^^ What he said.

[Shadowdale]

freakish777

My only intent was to spark ideas. If its not competitive then its not competitive i have no issue with that at all. Unlike another poster you actully explained your reasoning. That is certainly not elitest at all. I am trying to come up with someting that isnt a copy this deck play win. I would rather win on my own merits than someone elses. Now that being said I do not mind criticism especially when it comes from an online source. Thinking outside the predefined this is how you play MtG and win LOLZ gets boring. So when I am asking about an alternative to the pre defined I do not see the harm in providing ideas. :) Thank you for your response. I will create a deck give it a whirl and see how it preforms. My ultimate goal is to find a deck that uses Simulacrum because I feel its a great card that no one uses but it might have some application out there if enough people brainstorm it.

[majikal]

Sorry if I offended your sensibilities. There's a SCG 5k event coming up this weekend. You should bring your deck to it and get some results. At the very least it will give you a first-hand experience of what the overall format is like. :)

[Shadowdale]

Sorry if I offended your sensibilities. There's a SCG 5k event coming up this weekend. You should bring your deck to it and get some results. At the very least it will give you a first-hand experience of what the overall format is like. :)

It's all good man. MtG sometimes is a bloodsport. I would not play this deck without getting lots of feedback. I will try to put something together and see how it does.

Since we are way off topic now I expect a lockdown anytime soon. Thanks everyone for your replies.

[(nameless one)]

That is a much better combo. I am surprised that there has not been a way to get this combo in Legacy.

I used to run that combo ad my win-con for Quinn. I would still run that combo over Painter-Stone combo but the Guilty Doll combo doesn't work under an active Humility.

[Bardo]

Moved to Casual.

[median]

I had a winco. For flash hulk of mogg maniac and volcano hellion, they had to have fetched or let you attack them with the hellion. You might be able to do something with this.