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shikadi
01-04-2011, 04:09 PM
can semblance anvil be used somewhat efficiently for the following:
imprint any artifact.
then the following cards become 0 mana cantrips:
tsabo's web
elsewhere flask
kaleido stone
prophectic prism
sensei's divining top(indirect)
then using cards like grim monolith to get some colorless mana (for free, colorless black lotus =p)
using cards like the prism (see above) and chromatic star to filter mana.
then fire off a big storm spell OR use a card that sacs perm to deal damage
could this work? and is it protectable and reliable enough?
how to make auto card links?
Infinitium
01-04-2011, 05:07 PM
It could work, sure. With Sensei's Divining Top you even get the infamous SenseiSensei infinite storm combo to go with it. Reliable.. not so much, albeit white for enlightened tutor would certainly help, as would Riddlesmith. Actually, that card + 2 tops means you can filter your entire library so it isn't all horrible I guess, albeit at that point I'd go for Etherium Sculptor and Helm of Awakening instead of semblance Anvil and ditch the other artifacts (and add in Trinket Mage and possibly the Puresight Merrow/Paradise Mantle combo just for the hell of it).
Bottom line yes the format is diverse enough for you to pick a combo at random and go for it. Don't expect to break the format in half however. Have fun!
Edit: You make card links by adding [Xcards] and then [X/cards] at the sides of the card you want to link to without the X's.
Pastorofmuppets
01-05-2011, 01:18 AM
I can't help but feel like there are cards that reduce the costs of Artifacts and don't require card disadvantage.
Mr. Safety
01-05-2011, 12:22 PM
Etherium Sculptor
Cloud Key
Mystical_Jackass
01-06-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah, but Semblance Anvil doesn't require artifacts. You could chain a bunch of creatures, enchantments, or even instants together to build up some sorta combo or lockdown methinks. It'd be cool to be able to create some chain with cards like Imperial Recruiter, Trinket Mage, etc. and just keep on going lol
Karhumies
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
@ Pastorofmuppets and Mr. Safety: Also
Helm of Awakening, but that one has a serious drawback. Still, if you want cumulative effects, might as well include as many as possible.
It'd be cool to be able to create some chain with cards like Imperial Recruiter, Trinket Mage, etc. and just keep on going lol
See: Aluren (established deck) (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?2599-%5BDeck%5D-Aluren/page38)
Also Elfball and Erayo Affinity have a similar strategy, although these two decks are centred around Glimpse of Nature.
android
01-06-2011, 05:37 PM
Could work well with red rituals for a storm kill. Because your naming Instants, you could technically use some less efficient draw power that would actually end up being pretty good. Also the rituals would help get you going initially.
Manamorphose
Despirate Ritual
Pyretic Ritual
Seething Song
Burning Wish
Lion's Eye Diamond
storm kill card
blue instant draw cards
?
Mystical_Jackass
01-06-2011, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about Blue to power the draw too, since you'd be losing some CA. Some ideas I had that you could mix in were like:
Cunning Wish
Stroke of Genius
Thirst for Knowledge
Intuition
Accumulated Knowledge
etc.
(Thirst would be cool, say, if you ran that artifact that lets you set your hand aside and draw another & the anvil, you'd probably more likely to have an artifact to pitch, just a thought)
I mean, any spells that are like :2::u:, 2:r:, 2:g:, etc just seem clutch, especially mixing in a balance of cards that can-trip or draw massive cards like Stroke to gain all your cards back, imagine holding off early with FoW.. maybe throwing in some Ancient Tombs, then you can start drawing up a storm.
Otherwise, the Cunning Wish... for just :u: you can pick up just about any instant you need depending on how the decks win condition is setup.
Gocho
01-06-2011, 05:57 PM
Some blue draw spells for 1U and 2U
Accumulated Knowledge
Catalog
Fire // Ice
Meditate
Perilous Research
Thirst for Knowledge
Twitch
Twitch gives you a card and more mana.
But with only red rituals, it could be difficult to get blue mana for your draw spells. You need filters like Manamorphose or Wild Cantor. If you go for black draw spell you can use Agent of Stromgald or Manaforge Cinder but seems a little clunky
Mystical_Jackass
01-06-2011, 09:35 PM
Unfortunately, any way I look at it, it's pretty much going down -2 cards in a deck for the opportunity to be able to draw more & play more spells at a time, but it isn't really good enough unless you can go Infinite or instanta-win somehow. And unfortunately it can get Grip'd :frown:
I'm not really sure storm's the deck for anvil, but I could be wrong. Seems that there's better decks for Brainfreeze, Tendrills, etc. too.
However, looking at some of the blue card selection like Fact or Fiction, Accumulated Knowledge, Intuition, Thirst for Knowledge, Stroke of Genius, etc. sadly the best fit deck I can think to abuse that kinda fast draw is Tog >.<
SpeedOfDark
01-07-2011, 09:59 AM
Suppose we went semblance anvil + aftorementioned artifact cantrips... what would be the win condition when you fizzle? Maybe something involving time sieve? Or just play tezzeret and win the next turn?
rufus
01-07-2011, 10:50 AM
There are some limitations, but an alternative tactic is to try with, say, blue 'cantrip' instants that produce card advantage
Meditate
Thirst for Knowledge
Careful Consideration
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Stroke of Genius
Flash of Insight
Think Twice
Accumulated Knowledge
and mana producing artifacts:
Lotus Petal
Mox Opal
Lion's Eye Diamond
Chrome Mox
Mystical_Jackass
01-07-2011, 12:19 PM
We sorta already mentioned that a few times lol, it's all g :wink:
Just like some of the problems I mentioned above, it really just needs that "I win" condition or someone smarter than me to find some loop. Otherwise, like I said you go down -2 cards just to be able to gain cards, and the artifact itself being fragile.. a lil' too risky if its JUST to improve your Stroke of genius', Intuitions, Cunning Wish, etc.
Semblance Anvil+ Stroke of Genius + Seething Song + Manamorphose + ... seems promising, but where does it lead? Brainfreeze? Isn't there a better deck for that :/
android
01-07-2011, 12:44 PM
And how are we generating UR3X? Or more realistically, how are we generating UUUR3X? And yes there are better decks generating storm. Then you mulligan into Anvil? Sounds bad.
I think you need Anvil in play now and then you need to autowin, like Mystical_Jackass said.
So opening hand of Petal/Spirit Guide/Mox, City of Traitors/Ancient Tomb, LED, Anvil, random Instant, Meditate/Thirst/other draw 2+, Ritual....Yeah, this is never going to be a competitive deck. Thanks for playing.
Mystical_Jackass
01-07-2011, 05:44 PM
All right, I guess I'm putting myself out there.
This is my attempt, feel free to pick it apart >.>
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Anvil Combo Deck Thing
*******************
8 Fetchland
3 Island
1 Volcanic Island
4 Leyline of Anticipation
4 Semblance Anvil
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Mox Diamond
2 Seething Song
4 Manamorphose
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Meditate
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Cunning Wish
2 Stroke of Genius
1 Brain Freeze
SB (15)
-------
1 Seething Song
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Brain Freeze
1 Empty the Warrens
...
So... I'm not 100% positive how this all adds up. It sort of turned into some sorta Spring Tide/Belcher'ish hybrid.
The idea is to win like turn Zero, 1, 2. With Leyline in play, basically something like flash in LED-->Anvil-->with land, bs/meditate/thirst/(wish) --> Draw lots of cards, manamorphose to fix any mana and cantrip --> pitch lands and flash more Mox & LED as you go, discard artifacts and/or Accumulated Knowledge to Thirst, then eventually draw into a Brain Freeze or just straight up wish for it.
Stroke of Genius + Seething Song are supposed to go together, or just wish for the other. If I could have a 5th Leyline of Anticipation that would be great... lol, put in 5 & see if they say anything?
Roman Candle
01-07-2011, 06:21 PM
I'd be much more interested in it in a deck with Time Sieve, Open the Vaults, Second Sunrise, and Grinding Station. But I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work either.
mediocre_poet
01-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Throw in some other nice storm spells to capitalize on "free" artifacts. Like... ignite memories, or volcanic awakening .
Pastorofmuppets
01-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Why are you running Leyline of Anticipation in that list?
The card doesn't do anything. It's a dead draw in the late game. You're sacrificing consistency for what you perceive as speed. I don't see anyone comboing out with 6 cards in hand, no lands, and the opponent with a full grip.
Mystical_Jackass
01-08-2011, 04:54 PM
Yeah, it's flawed I know. But the idea was to be able to flash out LED's and Mox Diamonds as you continue to draw to fuel you're mana. That was the point of it.
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