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GGoober
02-14-2011, 02:58 PM
What do you think are the best 3 cards for each color in Legacy?
Best could be defined in playability, power-level, bombiness, etc
My opinion:
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Jace 2.0
White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Elspeth 1.0
3) Moat/Humility
Black:
1) Dark Confidant
2) Thoughtseize
3) Dark Ritual
Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Wild Nacatl
Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Grim Lavamancer
non-duals:
1) Wasteland
2) Rishadan Port
3) Mishra's Factory
Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top
lolosoon
02-14-2011, 03:15 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Tarmogoyf
Fixed
kusumoto
02-14-2011, 03:37 PM
Blue
1 Force of Will
2 Brainstorm
3 Stifle
Red
1 Pyroblast/REB
2 Burning Wish
3 Lightning Bolt
Black
1 Ad Nauseam
2 Dark Ritual
3 Hymn to Tourach
White
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
3 Enlightened Tutor
Green
1 Tarmogoyf
2 Terravore
3 Life From the Loam
Multi
1 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Rhox War Monk
3 Maelstrom Pulse
Land
1 Wasteland
2 Rishidan Port
3 The Tabernacle at Pendrel Vale
Artifact
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
trivial_matters
02-14-2011, 03:58 PM
I agree with most of your choices, though maybe I'd pick Aether Vial over Engineered Explosives.
hyc8028
02-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Jace 2.0
White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Elspeth 1.0
3) Moat/Humility
Black:
1) Dark Confidant
2) Thoughtseize/Duress
3) Hymn
Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Natural Order
Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) REB/Pyroblast
3) Grim Lavamancer
non-duals:
1) Wasteland
2) Rishadan Port
3) Mishra's Factory/Mutavault
Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top
Solar Ice
02-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Blue:
Force of Will
Brainstorm
Jace MK II
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Moat
Humility
Black:
Dark Confidant
Thoughseize
Hymn to Tourach
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Krosan Grip
Natural Order
Red:
Goblin Lackey
Burning Wish
Blood Moon
Multicolour:
Pernicious Deed
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Non-Duals/Fetches
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Rishadan Port
Artifacts:
Sensei's Divining Top
Aether Vial
Chalice of the Void
thecrav
02-14-2011, 04:35 PM
My Nominations:
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Daze
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Moat
Humility
Black:
Tendrils of Agony
Thoughtseize
Dark Confidant
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Noble Hierarch
Nature's Claim (It's like a grip before they ever get a counter on their vial!)
Red:
Lightning Bolt
Kird Ape
Magus of the Moon / Blood Moon
Lands:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Rashadan Port
Artifacts:
Sensi's Divining Top
Aether Vial
Jitte
maurobad2k4
02-14-2011, 04:41 PM
Blue : Brainstorm, Force of Will, Jace
White : Swords to Plowshares, Orim's Chant, Path to Exile
Green : Tarmogoyf, Natural Order, Krosan Grip
Black : Dark Confidant, Dark Ritual, Thoughtseize
Red : Lightning Bolt, Grim Lavamancer, Goblin Lackey
Artifact : Sensei's Divining Top, Lion's Eye Diamond, Umezawa's Jitte
Lands : Wasteland, Volrath's Stronghold, Karakas
Gold / Hybrid : Firespout, Knight of the Reliquary, Vindicate
Clark Kant
02-14-2011, 04:48 PM
I think you went more for iconic, rather than powerlevel strictly or Path to Exile would probably be on the list for white alongside StP.
OP, you need Dark Ritual in your list for black.
Also, Kird Ape doesn't make the cut for red. Grim Lavamancer on the other hand...
And swap out Rishidan Port with Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in your lands list. It's one of the most powerful and underused lands in the format due to it's price. Both it and Wasteland are light years ahead of Port in terms of powerlevel.
Chalice of the Void belongs on the list more than Engineered Explosives does.
Otherwise, good start.
Edit: Nm, you edited the thread. I agree with your current list. I don't think you need the question marks around Natural Order. It's definately in green's top three.
You could expand out the OP by big by adding top 3 multicolored spells (with Deed leading the list) and maybe even top 3 enchantments, top 3 creatures etc.
Piceli89
02-14-2011, 04:50 PM
Now I actually get to see how red is underpowered now in Legacy.
GGoober
02-14-2011, 04:52 PM
I forgot Aether Vial despite bitchin about Vial decks for the past 2 months. Facepalm.
Path is not superior to StP. It is only superior in a number of decks (Zoo, that's about it). Decks running Path always run StP before it e.g. Bant. Giving an opponent land is usually more game-winning than giving them life.
Digital Devil
02-14-2011, 04:55 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3) Force of Will
White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Humility
3) Solitary Confinement
Black:
1) Dark Ritual
2) Bridge from Below
3) Tombstalker
Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Krosan Grip
Red:
1) Lightning Bolt
2) Grim Lavamancer
3) Magus of the Moon
Lands:
1) Wasteland
2) Ancient Tomb
3) Glacial Chasm
Artifacts:
1) Lion's Eye Diamond
2) Aether Vial
3) Pithing Needle
frolll
02-14-2011, 04:57 PM
Blue is Brainstorm, Force of Will, and Jace the Mind Sculptor (Trinket Mage being very close, also Show and Tell)
Black is Thoughtseize, Dark Ritual and Dark Confidant (Tombstalker being very close)
Green is Tarmogoyf, Natural Order and Noble Hierarch (Glimpse of Nature being very close)
Red is Lightning Bolt, Goblin Lackey and Magus of the Moon (Grim Lavamancer being very close)
White is Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile and Humility/Moat (Mystic Stoneforger being very close)
Gold is Knight of the Reliquary, Qasali Pridemage and Pernicious Deed (Psychatog being very close)
Land is Wasteland, Maze of Ith and Karakas (Dryad Arbor being very close)
Artefact is Sensei's Divining Top, Engineered Explosives and Trinisphere (Umezawa's Jitte being very close)
IMHO
kusumoto
02-14-2011, 04:58 PM
Why am I the only person to mention Ad Nauseam ? Am I missing something here?
A mix of favorite/strongest cards, so the list is a bit subjective..
Blue:
Brainstorm
FoW
Vendilion Clique
White:
StP
Orim's Chant
Moat
Black:
Duress/Thoughtseize
Dark Ritual
Ad Nauseam
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Xantid Swarm
Argothian Enchantress
Red:
REB/Pyroblast
Burning Wish
Lightning Bolt
non-duals:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Tabernacle
Artifacts:
SDT
LED
Null Rod
Clark Kant
02-14-2011, 05:07 PM
How did everyone forget about Chalice of the Void?
Even I forgot about how strong and broken that card is. The majority of games for stompy decks are won and lost soley based on if they drop down a Chalice at one on their opening turn.
Rizso
02-14-2011, 05:21 PM
Blue
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Jace, the mindsculpture
Black
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize
Red
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Lackey
Magus of the moon / Bloodmoon
white
Sword the plowshares
Mother of Runes
Elspeth
Green
Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Krosan Grip
Artifact
AEther Vial
Top
Lion's Eye Diamond
Guld/multicolored
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Firespout
Land
Wasteland
Mutavault / mishra
Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors.
Jolly_roger
02-14-2011, 05:31 PM
White
1. swords
2. elspeth
3. mother of runes
Blue
1. fow
2. brainstorm
3. daze
Black
1. dark confidant
2. thoughtseize
3. dark ritual
red
1. goblin lackey
2. lightning bolt
3. fireblast
green
1. goyf
2. wild nacatl
3. krosan grip
artifact
1. vial
2. top
3. lions eye diamond
lands
1. wasteland
2. duals
3. fetches
multi
1. knight
2. firespout
3. kitchen finks
2Rach
02-14-2011, 06:07 PM
White:
Swords
Elspeth 1
Mother
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance
Black:
Thoughtseize
Dark Confidant
Hymn to Tourach
Red:
Grim Lavamancer
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Lackey
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Sylvan Library
Artifact:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
Lion's Eye Diamond
Lands:
Wasteland
Tabernacle
Maze of Ith
Multi:
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Vindicate
Skeggi
02-14-2011, 06:28 PM
Yay another best# thread! I'm in!
With the current meta in The Netherlands in mind I'll have to go for:
Blue:
Brainstorm
Ponder
Preordain
White:
Orim's Chant
Silence
Ethersworn Canonist
Black:
Dark Ritual
Infernal Tutor
Ill-Gotten Gains
Ad Nauseam (can't really pick between the two)
Green:
Xantid Swarm
Krosan Grip
there is no third card that matters... perhaps Gaddock Teeg
Red:
Chalice of the Void
Mindbreak Trap
Thorn of Amethyst
Yup...seems about right :tongue:
Fuzzy
02-14-2011, 06:48 PM
No love for Wild Nacatl and Life from the Loam?
Nonex
02-14-2011, 07:00 PM
White: Swords to Plowshares, Suppression Field, Academy Rector
Blue: Brainstorm, Spell Snare, Jace the Mind Sculptor
Black: Dark Confidant, Tombstalker, Tendrils of Agony
Red: Lightning Bolt, Goblin Lackey, Price of Progress
Green: Aluren, Krosan Grip, Green Sun's Zenith
Artifacts: Ęther Vial, Sensei's Divining Top, Engineered Explosives
Lands: Academy Ruins, Wasteland, Maze of Ith
Multicolored: Qasali Pridemage, Kitchen Finks, Gaddock Teeg
menace13
02-14-2011, 07:06 PM
White
1. StP
2. Stoneforge
3. Canonist
Blue(pretty ubiquitous here)
1. FoW
2. Brainstorm
3.Cbalance
Black(ditto)
1. Dark Ritual
2. Thoughtseize
3. Ad Naus
Red
1. Bolt
2. Lackey
3. BWish
Green
1.Goyf
2. Noble
3.Nacatl
Artifact
1. Top
2. LED
3. Vial
Land
1. Wasteland
2. Tropical Island
3. Maze
FieryBalrog
02-14-2011, 09:17 PM
White: Swords to Plowshares, Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor
Blue: Force of Will, Brainstorm, Jace 2.0
Black: Dark Confidant, Dark Ritual, Hymn to Tourach
Green: Tarmogoyf, Natural Order, Life from the Loam
Red: Goblin Lackey, Grim Lavamancer, Firespout
Gold: Knight of the Reliquary, Qasali Pridemage, Pernicious Deed
Artifact: Aether Vial, Sensei's Divining Top, Lion's Eye Diamond
People splash red to run firespout, even if they're already running green; the reverse is never true. It requires only red mana to fill the function for which you'd put it in your deck.
OurSerratedDust
02-14-2011, 09:30 PM
Tendrils of Agony definitely needs more loving here. I think it deserves a spot more than Ad Nauseam.
clavio
02-14-2011, 09:38 PM
Blue
Force
Brainstorm
Ponder
Black
Tendrils/Ad Nauseam
Confidant
Bridge From Bellow
Red
Fireblast
Bolt
Lackey
White
STP
Elspeth
Chant
Green
Goyf
Grip
Primeval Titan
Multi
Quasali Pathmage
Knight of the Reliquary
Gaddock Teeg
Artifact
Lion's Eye Diamond
Top
Vial
Lands
Wasteland
Factory
Tabernacle
NecroYawgmoth
02-14-2011, 09:58 PM
W
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
3 Stoneforge Mystic
U
1 Brainstorm
2 Force of Will
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
B
1 Dark Confidant
2 Dark Ritual
3 Thoughtseize / Tendrils of Agony
R
1 Lightning Bolt / Chain Lightning
2 Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon
3 Burning Wish
G
1 Tarmogoyf
2 Natural Order
3 Noble Hierarch
M
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Pernicious Deed
A
1 AEther Vial
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Chalice / LED / Trinisphere
L
1 Duallands
2 Wasteland
3 Fetchlands
Neuad
02-14-2011, 10:25 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3) Cunning Wish
White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Humility
3) Elspeth 1.0
Black:
1) Dark Ritual
2) Dark Confidant
3) Thoughtsieze
Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Krosan Grip
Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Goblin Ringleader
Lands:
1) Mishra's Factory
2) Wasteland
3) Port
Artifacts:
1) Crucible of Worlds
2) AEther Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top
Nobody thinks Witness is worthy of top 3 green?
NyxathidHorror
02-14-2011, 11:02 PM
U
1. Brainstorm
2. FoW
3. Jace 2.0
B
1. Dark Ritual
2. Duress/Thoughtsieze
3. Tendrils/Ad
W
1. StP
2. Humility
3. Chant
G
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Grip
3. Nactl
R
1. Lackey
2. Bolt
3. Magus/Blood Moon
A
1. Top
2. Vial
3. LED
L
1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Fetch
AriLax
02-14-2011, 11:52 PM
W:
1. Swords
2. Steppe Lynx
3. Orim's Chant
U:
1.Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. Daze
HM to Preordain
B:
1. Thoughtseize
2. Entomb
3. Dark Ritual
HM to Bob
R:
1. Sneak Attack
2. Goblin Lackey
3. Lightning Bolt
HM to Goblin Guide but no one knows it. Price too.
G:
1. Wild Nacatl
2. Tarmogoyf
3. Noble
A:
1. LED
2. Top
3. Vial
HM to Emrakul.
Gold:
1. Pridemage
2. KotR
3. Lim-Dul's
Lands:
0. Fetch-Duals
1. Wasteland
2. Mutavault
3. Port
Tabernacle should prob be here, but I always beat that card.
sdematt
02-14-2011, 11:54 PM
In no particular order for each category:
Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lavamancer
Burning Wish
Honourable mention: Firespout, Empty the Warrens
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Survival of the Fittest (before the banhammer)
Life from the Loam
Natural Order
Honourable Mention: Noble Hierarch
Blue:
Jace 2.0
Force of Will
Brainstorm
Honourable Mention: Counterbalance
Black:
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tendrils of Agony/Iggy/Ad Nauseum
Honourable Mentions: Hymn, D. Rit
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Humility
Elspeth
Honourable Mention: Moat, Mother of Runes
Multicolour:
Rhox War Monk
Knight of the Reliquary
Vindicate/Pulse
Mention: Pridemage
Lands
Wasteland
Maze of Ith
Tabernacle
Honourable Mention: Karakas
Artifacts:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
Umezawa's Jitte
Honourable Mentions: LED, Trinisphere, Chalice
Hobtuse
02-15-2011, 12:36 AM
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Mother of Runes
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Black:
Dark Ritual
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lightning Bolt
Burning Wish
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Wild Nacatl
Noble Hierarch
Gold:
Vindicate
Qasali Pridemage
Knight of the Reliquary
Artifacts:
Lion's Eye Diamond
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
Lands:
Wasteland
Island
Blue Dual (Underground Sea/Tundra/Tropical Island/Volcanic Island)
Jeff Kruchkow
02-15-2011, 03:00 AM
White:
Swords
Chant
Moat/Humility
Blue:
Force
Brainstorm
Ponder
Black:
Tendrils (and any list without this is wrong)
Dark Ritual
Dark Confidant
Green:
Goyf
Noble Hierarch
Loam
Red:
Lackey
Burning Wish
Bolt?
Artifact:
Top
LED
Vial
JeroenC
02-15-2011, 03:19 AM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Ponder
White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Orim's Chant
3) Elspeth, KE
Black:
1) Thoughtseize
2) Ad Nauseam
3) Dark Ritual
Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Wild Nacatl
Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Grim Lavamancer
non-duals:
1) fetchlands
2) fetchlands
3) OMG MOAR FETCHLANDS
Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top
TheShaun
02-15-2011, 08:58 AM
Black:
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tendrils of Agony
Blue:
FoW
Brainstorm
Counterbalance
Green:
Goyf
Wild Nacatl
Life from the Loam
Red:
Firespout
Burning Wish
Goblin Lackey
White:
StP
Humility
Path to Exile
Multi:
Progenitus
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Artifact:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
LED (How many ppl used to burn/eat/proxy on these things?)
Non Dual Land:
Wasteland
Mutavault
Fetches
I did this one based more upon power level in a typical Legacy game. I definitely think that there are "better" cards in many of the colors, but these are the cards that WILL have a major impact on any game if resolved when intended (meaning that a turn 5 Goblin Lackey isn't the same as turn 1). A few of them do not meet this criteria, such as FoW, most of the white cards, and Mutavault or fetches, but for the most part they are cards that can answer almost anything else that did make it onto this list. Mutavault would suck on its own, it just benefits from amazing synergy in the only deck that runs it.
practical joke
02-15-2011, 09:32 AM
You made me do this:
Blue:
1. Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. jace 2.0
Black
1. Dark Confidant
2. Thoughtseize
3. Dark ritual
Green
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Natural order
3. Life from the loam
Red
1. Lightning bolt
2. Goblin lackey
3. Burning wish
White
1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Orim's chant
3. Elspeth knight-errant
Gold
1. Knight of the Reliquary
2. Nacatl Pridemage
3. Vindicate
Lands.
1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Maze of ith
Brown
1. Sensei's divining top
2. Aether vial
3. Umezawa's jitte
So many more cards that deserve a spot though, simply not enough space.
Admiral_Arzar
02-15-2011, 09:53 AM
Yay another best# thread! I'm in!
With the current meta in The Netherlands in mind I'll have to go for:
*Storm Cards*
Yup...seems about right :tongue:
This sounds like a meta I'd enjoy. Anyways, I'm basing my choices on what I view as strongest in the current meta.
Blue
1. Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. Jace 2.0
Black
1. Dark Ritual
2. Dark Confidant
3. Thoughtseize
Red
1. Goblin Lackey
2. Grim Lavamancer
3. Burning Wish
Green
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Noble Hierarch
3. Wild Nacatl
White
1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Elspeth 1.0
3. Orim's Chant
Artifact
1. AEther Vial
2. Sensei's Divining Top
3. Lion's Eye Diamond
Multicolor
1. Qsali Pridemage
2. Knight of the Reliquary
3. Rhox War Monk
Land (Non-duals)
1. Wasteland
2. Rishadan Port
3. Mutavault
Some notes: I really wanted to include Perish for black. It's number four. Lightning Bolt is probably number four for red. The third multicolor card could be one of several but it doesn't really matter. Engineered Explosives is the fourth artifact and was narrowly edged out. I didn't include Ad Nauseam, Tendrils of Agony, or other storm engines / win conditions because those cards are dependent on Dark Ritual and Lion's Eye Diamond to be any good. There are some good choices here (Chalice of the Void, Pernicious Deed, Stompy Lands, Blood Moon, etc.) that were not included simply because of the state of the meta right now.
Shimi
02-15-2011, 09:57 AM
Blue:
1. Brainstorm
2. FoW
3. Jace TMS
Black:
1. Bob
2. Seize
3. Dark Ritual
Green:
1. Goyf
2. Nacatl
3. Natural Order
Red:
1. Lackey
2. Lightning Bolt
3. Firespout
White:
1. StP
2. PtE
3. Elspeth KE
Gold:
1. KotR
2. Qasali Pridemage
3. Vindicate
Lands:
1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Volrath's Stronghold
Artifact:
1. Top
2. Vial
3. LED
johanessen
02-15-2011, 10:18 AM
Reasons to play Red: Goblin Lackey, Grim Lavamancer, Burning Wish
Reasons to play Blue: Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Brainstorm, Show and Tell
Reasons to play Green: Life from the Loam, Krosan Grip, Natural Order
Reasons to play Black: Dark Confidant, Thoughtseize, Tombstalker
Reasons to play White: Swords to Plowshares, Enlightened Tutor, Stoneforge Mystic
Reasons to play Artifact: Sense's Divining tOP, Aether Vial, Lion's Eye Diamond
Reasons to play Multi: Pernicious Deed, Firespout, Knight of the Reliquary
Reasons to play Land: Cast spells, Dual lands, Fetchalnds, Wasteland
Whippoorwill
02-15-2011, 11:35 AM
White:
1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Enlightened Tutor
3. Moat
Blue:
1. Force of Will
2. Brainstorm
3. Daze
Black:
1. Thoughtseize
2. Dark Confidant
3. Ad Nauseam
Red:
1. Goblin Lackey
2. Blood Moon
3. Lightning Bolt
Green:
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Krosan Grip
3. Sylvan Library
Artifact:
1. Aether Vial
2. Sensei's Divining Top
3. Umezawa's Jitte
Multicolor:
1. Qasali Pridemage
2. Firespout
3. Knight of the Reliquary
Land: (Non-Dual, Non-Fetch)
1. Wasteland
2. Mutavault
3. Tabernacle
Patrick
02-15-2011, 12:21 PM
Daze? Sneak Attack? Nacatl? Hierarch? Chalice? X Elemental Blast?
Wtf?
Nobody said Counterbalance. While Force of Will is powerful it is not a good card. I think I'm the first one to say Deed.
Blue:
Counterbalance
Brainstorm
Jace
White:
Plow
Moat
Enlightened Tutor (edit)
Black:
Confidant
Thoughtseize
Dark Ritual
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Sylvan Library
Something else
Red:
Lackey
Bolt
Lavamancer
Artifact:
Engineered Explosives (deals with resolved threats)
Sensei's Top
AEther Vial
Gold:
Knight
Pridemage
Pernicious Deed
Land:
Wasteland
Port
Factory
Duals/Fetch don't really apply here.
Also, the Land.dec lands are fucking awful eg. Maze, Tabernacle, Chasm.
Solar Ice
02-15-2011, 02:03 PM
Nobody said Counterbalance. While Force of Will is powerful it is not a good card.
Nobody said Counterbalance because, i guess, on its own it's not a powerful card (only with Top - which is very, very good). Force of Will, on the other hand is the glue that holds the format together (imo). It is a format defining card that is surely one on the best ever printed. I also listed Deed.
On a side note, I don't really understand the mass inclusion of Dark Ritual. Apart from TES/ANT, what competitive deck actually plays it? Most I guess, (including me) don't like the card disadvantage, and the fact that it is often a dead draw mid-late game.
Dark Ritual
02-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Eva green runs it. But really, imagine what the format would look like if it didn't have dark ritual in it. Counterbalance would be obsolete due to next to no combo decks, and aggro would rule the format. There would also be some UGx aggro control deck to combat belcher since belcher doesn't run DRit.
My picks:
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile
Steppe Lynx
Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Krosan Grip
Wild nacatl
Red:
Burning Wish
Pyroblast
Lightning Bolt
Artifact:
Aether Vial
Lion's Eye Diamond
Sensei's Divining Top
Gold:
Qasali Pridemage
Knight of the Reliquary
Pernicious Deed
Lands:
Wasteland
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Maze of Ith
Force of Will isn't good? Okay, go ahead and don't play FoW while I play ANT/TES/SI/DDFT. See how you fare against those decks without FoW.
Nonex
02-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Force of Will is necessary for the format, but I guess necessary != good. For instance, control decks naturally run away from card disadvantage, so Force of Will is one of the last counterspells they would want to run, but the speed and the broken plays of the format leave them no choice. I'd rather see how the format would evolve without Brainstorm.
kiblast
02-15-2011, 03:51 PM
Blue:
Brainstorm
Jace 2.0
Spell Snare
White:
Swords
Enlightened Tutor
Moat
Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Smallpox
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Eternal Witness
Red:
Burning Wish
Magus of the Moon
Reb- Pyroblast
Nonbasics non fetch non duals:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Tabernacle
Artifacts:
Aether Vial
SDT
LED
Gold:
Pernicious Deed
Kotr
Qasali
Mr. Safety
02-15-2011, 04:05 PM
White
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Enlightened Tutor
3) Moat
Green
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Tarmogoyf
3) Tarmogoyf
(ha ha ha, but seriously)
Green
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Sylvan Library
3) Wild Nacatl
Blue
1) Force of Will
2) Jace, the Mind-Sculptor
3) Brainstorm
Red
1) Lightning Bolt
2) Grim Lavamancer
3) Burning Wish
Black
1) Dark Ritual
2) Dark Confidant
3) Tombstalker
Artifacts
1) Aether Vial
2) Engineered Explosives
3) Chalice of the Void
Gold
1) Knight of the Reliquary
2) Pernicious Deed
3) Qasali Pridemage
Lands
1) Wasteland
2) Gaea's Cradle
3) Dark Depths
menace13
02-15-2011, 04:24 PM
Wow, No one said mountain yeti ? wtfbbq! The card is nuts in red decks.
Also, I'm the first person to mention Erg Raiders.
Neuad
02-15-2011, 07:19 PM
Force of Will isn't good? Okay, go ahead and don't play FoW while I play ANT/TES/SI/DDFT. See how you fare against those decks without FoW.
Force of Will is necessary for the format, but I guess necessary != good. For instance, control decks naturally run away from card disadvantage, so Force of Will is one of the last counterspells they would want to run, but the speed and the broken plays of the format leave them no choice. I'd rather see how the format would evolve without Brainstorm.
Exactly. It's necessary to be able to counter spells without mana open, or in the first few turns. . which makes force necessary. . . not good.
DragoFireheart
02-20-2011, 10:17 AM
Here is what I think overall (Usage, power, utility, impact on format):
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile
Humility
Black:
Ad Nauseam
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Wild Nacatl
Natural Order
Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lightning Bolt
Magus of the Moon
Non-dual lands:
Wasteland
Rishadan Port
Mutavault
Artifacts:
Lion's Eye Diamond
Sensei's Divining Top
Aether Vial
Ubiquitous Druid
02-20-2011, 08:30 PM
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance
(Intuition)
Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Tombstalker
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Humility
Enlightened Tutor
Red:
Burning Wish
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Welder
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Natural Order
Life from the Loam
Multi:
Progenitus
Pernicious Deed/Firespout
Knight of the Reliquary
Lands:
Wasteland
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Factory
Artifacts:
Sensei's Divining Top
Umezawa's Jitte
Lion's Eye Diamond
RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
02-22-2011, 09:51 PM
Black
1.) Ad Nauseam
2.) Doomsday
3.) Tendrils of Agony
Blue
1.) Brainstorm
2.) Ponder
3.) Diminishing Returns
Red
1.) Empty the Warrens
2.) Grape Shot
3.) Burning Wish
Green
1.) Glimpse of Nature
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Thorn Elemental (the Seventh Edition foil, not the Urza's Destiny version)
White
1.) Orim's Chant
2.) Silence
3.) Abeyance
Artifact
1.) Lion's Eye Diamond
2.) Chrome Mox
3.) Lotus Petal
Colorless
1.) Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2.) Ulamog the Infinite Gyre
3.) It That Betrays
Land
1.) Island
2.) Underground Sea
3.) Polluted Delta
Multicolor
1.) Lim-Dul's Vault
2.) Qasali Pridemage
3.) Lightning Helix
Octopusman
02-22-2011, 10:16 PM
Procrastinating like no other so why not:
Black
1.) Thoughtseize
2.) Tendrils of Agony
3.) Dark Confidant
Blue
1.) Force of Will
2.) Brainstorm
3.) Stifle
Red
1.) Grim Lavamancer
2.) Lightning Bolt
3.) Empty the Warrens
Green
1.) Tarmogoyf
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Natural Order
White
1.) Swords to Plowshares/PTE
2.) Orim's Chant/Silence
3.) Enlightened Tutor
Artifact
1.) Aether Vial
2.) Lion's Eye Diamond
3.) Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Colorless
1.) Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2.) Not of this World
3.) -
Land
1.) Wasteland
2.) Rishadan Port
3.) Academy Ruins
Multicolor
1.) Qasali Pridemage
2.) Vindicate
3.) Gaddock Teeg
I would love it if someone hosted a spreadsheet and archived this information so we can see percentage wise what the overall perception is.
Humphrey
02-22-2011, 10:37 PM
Its really hard to say what cards are the best because it totally depends on the deck. In the terms of power I think
Blue
Force
Jace
Brainstorm
Black
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tombstalker
Green
Tarmogoyf
Nimble Mongoose
Natural Order
Red
Firespout
Lightning Bolt
Lackey
White
Stp
Humilty
Elspeth
Gold
Quasali Pridemage
Trygon Predator
Knight of Reliquary
Artifact
Vial
SDT
Jitte
Lands
Wasteland
Tabernacle
Mishras F
TheCramp
02-22-2011, 11:41 PM
Red:
Chalice of the Void
Mindbreak Trap
Thorn of Amethyst
Wait, Skeggi won, you can all stop playing.
DukeDemonKn1ght
02-24-2011, 06:16 AM
I'm assuming Nimble Mongoose was a typo?
Killane
02-24-2011, 03:47 PM
Black
1.) Tendrils of Agony
2.) Thoughtseize
3.) Ad Nauseum
Blue
1.) Jace The Mind Sculptor (engine and wincon in one. insane)
2.) Brainstorm
3.) Force of Will
Red
1.) Goblin Lackey
2.) Pyroblast
3.) Empty the Warrens
Green
1.) Tarmogoyf - duh.
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Natural Order
White
1.) Swords to Plowshares - some people have put PTE as tied with this. That's crazy. Mana>life in most cases, unless you are a tight aggro deck. Unless my opponent is mid Ad Nauseum, I'd much rather give him some life than more options to kill me with.
2.) Humility
3.) Enlightened Tutor
Artifact
1.) Aether Vial
2.) Lion's Eye Diamond
3.) Trinisphere - it may not see as much play, but it can be really backbreaking to play against.
Land
1.) Wasteland - this is the best land by a mile.
2.) Fetchlands (all 10) - sooo good becuase they help fix mana while being good against #1
3.) Basic Island (good against #1 and strictly better than the other 4 basics becuase it makes U mana)
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