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GGoober
02-14-2011, 02:58 PM
What do you think are the best 3 cards for each color in Legacy?

Best could be defined in playability, power-level, bombiness, etc

My opinion:

Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Jace 2.0

White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Elspeth 1.0
3) Moat/Humility

Black:
1) Dark Confidant
2) Thoughtseize
3) Dark Ritual

Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Wild Nacatl
Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Grim Lavamancer

non-duals:
1) Wasteland
2) Rishadan Port
3) Mishra's Factory

Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top

lolosoon
02-14-2011, 03:15 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Tarmogoyf

Fixed

kusumoto
02-14-2011, 03:37 PM
Blue
1 Force of Will
2 Brainstorm
3 Stifle

Red
1 Pyroblast/REB
2 Burning Wish
3 Lightning Bolt

Black
1 Ad Nauseam
2 Dark Ritual
3 Hymn to Tourach

White
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
3 Enlightened Tutor

Green
1 Tarmogoyf
2 Terravore
3 Life From the Loam

Multi
1 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Rhox War Monk
3 Maelstrom Pulse

Land
1 Wasteland
2 Rishidan Port
3 The Tabernacle at Pendrel Vale

Artifact
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Lion's Eye Diamond

trivial_matters
02-14-2011, 03:58 PM
I agree with most of your choices, though maybe I'd pick Aether Vial over Engineered Explosives.

hyc8028
02-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Jace 2.0

White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Elspeth 1.0
3) Moat/Humility

Black:
1) Dark Confidant
2) Thoughtseize/Duress
3) Hymn

Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Natural Order

Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) REB/Pyroblast
3) Grim Lavamancer

non-duals:
1) Wasteland
2) Rishadan Port
3) Mishra's Factory/Mutavault

Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top

Solar Ice
02-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Blue:

Force of Will
Brainstorm
Jace MK II

White:

Swords to Plowshares
Moat
Humility

Black:

Dark Confidant
Thoughseize
Hymn to Tourach

Green:

Tarmogoyf
Krosan Grip
Natural Order

Red:

Goblin Lackey
Burning Wish
Blood Moon

Multicolour:

Pernicious Deed
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage


Non-Duals/Fetches

Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Rishadan Port

Artifacts:

Sensei's Divining Top
Aether Vial
Chalice of the Void

thecrav
02-14-2011, 04:35 PM
My Nominations:

Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Daze

White:
Swords to Plowshares
Moat
Humility

Black:
Tendrils of Agony
Thoughtseize
Dark Confidant

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Noble Hierarch
Nature's Claim (It's like a grip before they ever get a counter on their vial!)

Red:
Lightning Bolt
Kird Ape
Magus of the Moon / Blood Moon

Lands:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Rashadan Port

Artifacts:
Sensi's Divining Top
Aether Vial
Jitte

maurobad2k4
02-14-2011, 04:41 PM
Blue : Brainstorm, Force of Will, Jace

White : Swords to Plowshares, Orim's Chant, Path to Exile

Green : Tarmogoyf, Natural Order, Krosan Grip

Black : Dark Confidant, Dark Ritual, Thoughtseize

Red : Lightning Bolt, Grim Lavamancer, Goblin Lackey

Artifact : Sensei's Divining Top, Lion's Eye Diamond, Umezawa's Jitte

Lands : Wasteland, Volrath's Stronghold, Karakas

Gold / Hybrid : Firespout, Knight of the Reliquary, Vindicate

Clark Kant
02-14-2011, 04:48 PM
I think you went more for iconic, rather than powerlevel strictly or Path to Exile would probably be on the list for white alongside StP.

OP, you need Dark Ritual in your list for black.

Also, Kird Ape doesn't make the cut for red. Grim Lavamancer on the other hand...

And swap out Rishidan Port with Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in your lands list. It's one of the most powerful and underused lands in the format due to it's price. Both it and Wasteland are light years ahead of Port in terms of powerlevel.

Chalice of the Void belongs on the list more than Engineered Explosives does.

Otherwise, good start.

Edit: Nm, you edited the thread. I agree with your current list. I don't think you need the question marks around Natural Order. It's definately in green's top three.

You could expand out the OP by big by adding top 3 multicolored spells (with Deed leading the list) and maybe even top 3 enchantments, top 3 creatures etc.

Piceli89
02-14-2011, 04:50 PM
Now I actually get to see how red is underpowered now in Legacy.

GGoober
02-14-2011, 04:52 PM
I forgot Aether Vial despite bitchin about Vial decks for the past 2 months. Facepalm.

Path is not superior to StP. It is only superior in a number of decks (Zoo, that's about it). Decks running Path always run StP before it e.g. Bant. Giving an opponent land is usually more game-winning than giving them life.

Digital Devil
02-14-2011, 04:55 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3) Force of Will

White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Humility
3) Solitary Confinement

Black:
1) Dark Ritual
2) Bridge from Below
3) Tombstalker

Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Krosan Grip

Red:
1) Lightning Bolt
2) Grim Lavamancer
3) Magus of the Moon

Lands:
1) Wasteland
2) Ancient Tomb
3) Glacial Chasm

Artifacts:
1) Lion's Eye Diamond
2) Aether Vial
3) Pithing Needle

frolll
02-14-2011, 04:57 PM
Blue is Brainstorm, Force of Will, and Jace the Mind Sculptor (Trinket Mage being very close, also Show and Tell)
Black is Thoughtseize, Dark Ritual and Dark Confidant (Tombstalker being very close)
Green is Tarmogoyf, Natural Order and Noble Hierarch (Glimpse of Nature being very close)
Red is Lightning Bolt, Goblin Lackey and Magus of the Moon (Grim Lavamancer being very close)
White is Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile and Humility/Moat (Mystic Stoneforger being very close)
Gold is Knight of the Reliquary, Qasali Pridemage and Pernicious Deed (Psychatog being very close)
Land is Wasteland, Maze of Ith and Karakas (Dryad Arbor being very close)
Artefact is Sensei's Divining Top, Engineered Explosives and Trinisphere (Umezawa's Jitte being very close)

IMHO

kusumoto
02-14-2011, 04:58 PM
Why am I the only person to mention Ad Nauseam ? Am I missing something here?

Rune
02-14-2011, 05:02 PM
A mix of favorite/strongest cards, so the list is a bit subjective..

Blue:
Brainstorm
FoW
Vendilion Clique

White:
StP
Orim's Chant
Moat

Black:
Duress/Thoughtseize
Dark Ritual
Ad Nauseam

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Xantid Swarm
Argothian Enchantress


Red:
REB/Pyroblast
Burning Wish
Lightning Bolt

non-duals:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Tabernacle

Artifacts:
SDT
LED
Null Rod

Clark Kant
02-14-2011, 05:07 PM
How did everyone forget about Chalice of the Void?

Even I forgot about how strong and broken that card is. The majority of games for stompy decks are won and lost soley based on if they drop down a Chalice at one on their opening turn.

Rizso
02-14-2011, 05:21 PM
Blue

Brainstorm
Force of Will
Jace, the mindsculpture

Black

Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize

Red

Lightning Bolt
Goblin Lackey
Magus of the moon / Bloodmoon

white

Sword the plowshares
Mother of Runes
Elspeth

Green

Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Krosan Grip

Artifact

AEther Vial
Top
Lion's Eye Diamond

Guld/multicolored

Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Firespout

Land

Wasteland
Mutavault / mishra
Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors.

Jolly_roger
02-14-2011, 05:31 PM
White
1. swords
2. elspeth
3. mother of runes

Blue
1. fow
2. brainstorm
3. daze

Black
1. dark confidant
2. thoughtseize
3. dark ritual

red
1. goblin lackey
2. lightning bolt
3. fireblast

green
1. goyf
2. wild nacatl
3. krosan grip

artifact
1. vial
2. top
3. lions eye diamond

lands
1. wasteland
2. duals
3. fetches

multi
1. knight
2. firespout
3. kitchen finks

2Rach
02-14-2011, 06:07 PM
White:
Swords
Elspeth 1
Mother

Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance

Black:
Thoughtseize
Dark Confidant
Hymn to Tourach

Red:
Grim Lavamancer
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Lackey

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Sylvan Library

Artifact:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
Lion's Eye Diamond

Lands:
Wasteland
Tabernacle
Maze of Ith


Multi:
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage
Vindicate

Skeggi
02-14-2011, 06:28 PM
Yay another best# thread! I'm in!

With the current meta in The Netherlands in mind I'll have to go for:

Blue:
Brainstorm
Ponder
Preordain

White:
Orim's Chant
Silence
Ethersworn Canonist

Black:
Dark Ritual
Infernal Tutor
Ill-Gotten Gains
Ad Nauseam (can't really pick between the two)

Green:
Xantid Swarm
Krosan Grip
there is no third card that matters... perhaps Gaddock Teeg

Red:
Chalice of the Void
Mindbreak Trap
Thorn of Amethyst

Yup...seems about right :tongue:

Fuzzy
02-14-2011, 06:48 PM
No love for Wild Nacatl and Life from the Loam?

Nonex
02-14-2011, 07:00 PM
White: Swords to Plowshares, Suppression Field, Academy Rector

Blue: Brainstorm, Spell Snare, Jace the Mind Sculptor

Black: Dark Confidant, Tombstalker, Tendrils of Agony

Red: Lightning Bolt, Goblin Lackey, Price of Progress

Green: Aluren, Krosan Grip, Green Sun's Zenith

Artifacts: Ęther Vial, Sensei's Divining Top, Engineered Explosives

Lands: Academy Ruins, Wasteland, Maze of Ith

Multicolored: Qasali Pridemage, Kitchen Finks, Gaddock Teeg

menace13
02-14-2011, 07:06 PM
White
1. StP
2. Stoneforge
3. Canonist

Blue(pretty ubiquitous here)
1. FoW
2. Brainstorm
3.Cbalance

Black(ditto)
1. Dark Ritual
2. Thoughtseize
3. Ad Naus

Red
1. Bolt
2. Lackey
3. BWish

Green
1.Goyf
2. Noble
3.Nacatl

Artifact
1. Top
2. LED
3. Vial

Land
1. Wasteland
2. Tropical Island
3. Maze

FieryBalrog
02-14-2011, 09:17 PM
White: Swords to Plowshares, Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor
Blue: Force of Will, Brainstorm, Jace 2.0
Black: Dark Confidant, Dark Ritual, Hymn to Tourach
Green: Tarmogoyf, Natural Order, Life from the Loam
Red: Goblin Lackey, Grim Lavamancer, Firespout

Gold: Knight of the Reliquary, Qasali Pridemage, Pernicious Deed
Artifact: Aether Vial, Sensei's Divining Top, Lion's Eye Diamond

People splash red to run firespout, even if they're already running green; the reverse is never true. It requires only red mana to fill the function for which you'd put it in your deck.

OurSerratedDust
02-14-2011, 09:30 PM
Tendrils of Agony definitely needs more loving here. I think it deserves a spot more than Ad Nauseam.

clavio
02-14-2011, 09:38 PM
Blue

Force
Brainstorm
Ponder

Black

Tendrils/Ad Nauseam
Confidant
Bridge From Bellow

Red
Fireblast
Bolt
Lackey

White
STP
Elspeth
Chant

Green
Goyf
Grip
Primeval Titan

Multi
Quasali Pathmage
Knight of the Reliquary
Gaddock Teeg

Artifact
Lion's Eye Diamond
Top
Vial

Lands
Wasteland
Factory
Tabernacle

NecroYawgmoth
02-14-2011, 09:58 PM
W

1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Path to Exile
3 Stoneforge Mystic

U

1 Brainstorm
2 Force of Will
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

B

1 Dark Confidant
2 Dark Ritual
3 Thoughtseize / Tendrils of Agony

R

1 Lightning Bolt / Chain Lightning
2 Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon
3 Burning Wish

G

1 Tarmogoyf
2 Natural Order
3 Noble Hierarch

M

1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Pernicious Deed

A

1 AEther Vial
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Chalice / LED / Trinisphere

L

1 Duallands
2 Wasteland
3 Fetchlands

Neuad
02-14-2011, 10:25 PM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3) Cunning Wish

White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Humility
3) Elspeth 1.0

Black:
1) Dark Ritual
2) Dark Confidant
3) Thoughtsieze

Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Krosan Grip

Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Goblin Ringleader

Lands:
1) Mishra's Factory
2) Wasteland
3) Port

Artifacts:
1) Crucible of Worlds
2) AEther Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top

perm
02-14-2011, 10:46 PM
Nobody thinks Witness is worthy of top 3 green?

NyxathidHorror
02-14-2011, 11:02 PM
U

1. Brainstorm
2. FoW
3. Jace 2.0

B

1. Dark Ritual
2. Duress/Thoughtsieze
3. Tendrils/Ad

W

1. StP
2. Humility
3. Chant

G

1. Tarmogoyf
2. Grip
3. Nactl

R

1. Lackey
2. Bolt
3. Magus/Blood Moon

A

1. Top
2. Vial
3. LED

L

1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Fetch

AriLax
02-14-2011, 11:52 PM
W:
1. Swords
2. Steppe Lynx
3. Orim's Chant

U:
1.Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. Daze

HM to Preordain

B:
1. Thoughtseize
2. Entomb
3. Dark Ritual

HM to Bob

R:
1. Sneak Attack
2. Goblin Lackey
3. Lightning Bolt

HM to Goblin Guide but no one knows it. Price too.

G:
1. Wild Nacatl
2. Tarmogoyf
3. Noble

A:
1. LED
2. Top
3. Vial

HM to Emrakul.

Gold:
1. Pridemage
2. KotR
3. Lim-Dul's

Lands:
0. Fetch-Duals
1. Wasteland
2. Mutavault
3. Port

Tabernacle should prob be here, but I always beat that card.

sdematt
02-14-2011, 11:54 PM
In no particular order for each category:

Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lavamancer
Burning Wish
Honourable mention: Firespout, Empty the Warrens

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Survival of the Fittest (before the banhammer)
Life from the Loam
Natural Order
Honourable Mention: Noble Hierarch

Blue:
Jace 2.0
Force of Will
Brainstorm
Honourable Mention: Counterbalance

Black:
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tendrils of Agony/Iggy/Ad Nauseum
Honourable Mentions: Hymn, D. Rit

White:
Swords to Plowshares
Humility
Elspeth
Honourable Mention: Moat, Mother of Runes

Multicolour:
Rhox War Monk
Knight of the Reliquary
Vindicate/Pulse
Mention: Pridemage

Lands
Wasteland
Maze of Ith
Tabernacle
Honourable Mention: Karakas

Artifacts:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
Umezawa's Jitte
Honourable Mentions: LED, Trinisphere, Chalice

Hobtuse
02-15-2011, 12:36 AM
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Mother of Runes

Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Black:
Dark Ritual
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize

Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lightning Bolt
Burning Wish

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Wild Nacatl
Noble Hierarch

Gold:
Vindicate
Qasali Pridemage
Knight of the Reliquary

Artifacts:
Lion's Eye Diamond
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top

Lands:
Wasteland
Island
Blue Dual (Underground Sea/Tundra/Tropical Island/Volcanic Island)

Jeff Kruchkow
02-15-2011, 03:00 AM
White:
Swords
Chant
Moat/Humility

Blue:
Force
Brainstorm
Ponder

Black:
Tendrils (and any list without this is wrong)
Dark Ritual
Dark Confidant

Green:
Goyf
Noble Hierarch
Loam

Red:
Lackey
Burning Wish
Bolt?

Artifact:
Top
LED
Vial

JeroenC
02-15-2011, 03:19 AM
Blue:
1) Brainstorm
2) Force of Will
3) Ponder

White:
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Orim's Chant
3) Elspeth, KE

Black:
1) Thoughtseize
2) Ad Nauseam
3) Dark Ritual

Green:
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Noble Hierarch
3) Wild Nacatl

Red:
1) Goblin Lackey
2) Lightning Bolt
3) Grim Lavamancer

non-duals:
1) fetchlands
2) fetchlands
3) OMG MOAR FETCHLANDS

Artifacts:
1) LED
2) Aether Vial
3) Sensei's Divining Top

TheShaun
02-15-2011, 08:58 AM
Black:
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tendrils of Agony

Blue:
FoW
Brainstorm
Counterbalance

Green:
Goyf
Wild Nacatl
Life from the Loam

Red:
Firespout
Burning Wish
Goblin Lackey

White:
StP
Humility
Path to Exile

Multi:
Progenitus
Knight of the Reliquary
Qasali Pridemage

Artifact:
Aether Vial
Sensei's Divining Top
LED (How many ppl used to burn/eat/proxy on these things?)

Non Dual Land:
Wasteland
Mutavault
Fetches

I did this one based more upon power level in a typical Legacy game. I definitely think that there are "better" cards in many of the colors, but these are the cards that WILL have a major impact on any game if resolved when intended (meaning that a turn 5 Goblin Lackey isn't the same as turn 1). A few of them do not meet this criteria, such as FoW, most of the white cards, and Mutavault or fetches, but for the most part they are cards that can answer almost anything else that did make it onto this list. Mutavault would suck on its own, it just benefits from amazing synergy in the only deck that runs it.

practical joke
02-15-2011, 09:32 AM
You made me do this:

Blue:

1. Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. jace 2.0

Black

1. Dark Confidant
2. Thoughtseize
3. Dark ritual

Green

1. Tarmogoyf
2. Natural order
3. Life from the loam
Red

1. Lightning bolt
2. Goblin lackey
3. Burning wish

White

1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Orim's chant
3. Elspeth knight-errant

Gold

1. Knight of the Reliquary
2. Nacatl Pridemage
3. Vindicate

Lands.

1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Maze of ith

Brown

1. Sensei's divining top
2. Aether vial
3. Umezawa's jitte

So many more cards that deserve a spot though, simply not enough space.

Admiral_Arzar
02-15-2011, 09:53 AM
Yay another best# thread! I'm in!

With the current meta in The Netherlands in mind I'll have to go for:

*Storm Cards*

Yup...seems about right :tongue:

This sounds like a meta I'd enjoy. Anyways, I'm basing my choices on what I view as strongest in the current meta.

Blue
1. Brainstorm
2. Force of Will
3. Jace 2.0

Black
1. Dark Ritual
2. Dark Confidant
3. Thoughtseize

Red
1. Goblin Lackey
2. Grim Lavamancer
3. Burning Wish

Green
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Noble Hierarch
3. Wild Nacatl

White
1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Elspeth 1.0
3. Orim's Chant

Artifact
1. AEther Vial
2. Sensei's Divining Top
3. Lion's Eye Diamond

Multicolor
1. Qsali Pridemage
2. Knight of the Reliquary
3. Rhox War Monk

Land (Non-duals)
1. Wasteland
2. Rishadan Port
3. Mutavault

Some notes: I really wanted to include Perish for black. It's number four. Lightning Bolt is probably number four for red. The third multicolor card could be one of several but it doesn't really matter. Engineered Explosives is the fourth artifact and was narrowly edged out. I didn't include Ad Nauseam, Tendrils of Agony, or other storm engines / win conditions because those cards are dependent on Dark Ritual and Lion's Eye Diamond to be any good. There are some good choices here (Chalice of the Void, Pernicious Deed, Stompy Lands, Blood Moon, etc.) that were not included simply because of the state of the meta right now.

Shimi
02-15-2011, 09:57 AM
Blue:
1. Brainstorm
2. FoW
3. Jace TMS

Black:
1. Bob
2. Seize
3. Dark Ritual

Green:
1. Goyf
2. Nacatl
3. Natural Order

Red:
1. Lackey
2. Lightning Bolt
3. Firespout

White:
1. StP
2. PtE
3. Elspeth KE

Gold:
1. KotR
2. Qasali Pridemage
3. Vindicate

Lands:
1. Wasteland
2. Tabernacle
3. Volrath's Stronghold

Artifact:
1. Top
2. Vial
3. LED

johanessen
02-15-2011, 10:18 AM
Reasons to play Red: Goblin Lackey, Grim Lavamancer, Burning Wish

Reasons to play Blue: Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Brainstorm, Show and Tell

Reasons to play Green: Life from the Loam, Krosan Grip, Natural Order

Reasons to play Black: Dark Confidant, Thoughtseize, Tombstalker

Reasons to play White: Swords to Plowshares, Enlightened Tutor, Stoneforge Mystic

Reasons to play Artifact: Sense's Divining tOP, Aether Vial, Lion's Eye Diamond

Reasons to play Multi: Pernicious Deed, Firespout, Knight of the Reliquary

Reasons to play Land: Cast spells, Dual lands, Fetchalnds, Wasteland

Whippoorwill
02-15-2011, 11:35 AM
White:
1. Swords to Plowshares
2. Enlightened Tutor
3. Moat

Blue:
1. Force of Will
2. Brainstorm
3. Daze

Black:
1. Thoughtseize
2. Dark Confidant
3. Ad Nauseam

Red:
1. Goblin Lackey
2. Blood Moon
3. Lightning Bolt

Green:
1. Tarmogoyf
2. Krosan Grip
3. Sylvan Library

Artifact:
1. Aether Vial
2. Sensei's Divining Top
3. Umezawa's Jitte

Multicolor:
1. Qasali Pridemage
2. Firespout
3. Knight of the Reliquary

Land: (Non-Dual, Non-Fetch)
1. Wasteland
2. Mutavault
3. Tabernacle

Patrick
02-15-2011, 12:21 PM
Daze? Sneak Attack? Nacatl? Hierarch? Chalice? X Elemental Blast?

Wtf?

Nobody said Counterbalance. While Force of Will is powerful it is not a good card. I think I'm the first one to say Deed.

Blue:
Counterbalance
Brainstorm
Jace

White:
Plow
Moat
Enlightened Tutor (edit)

Black:
Confidant
Thoughtseize
Dark Ritual

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Sylvan Library
Something else

Red:
Lackey
Bolt
Lavamancer

Artifact:
Engineered Explosives (deals with resolved threats)
Sensei's Top
AEther Vial

Gold:
Knight
Pridemage
Pernicious Deed

Land:
Wasteland
Port
Factory
Duals/Fetch don't really apply here.
Also, the Land.dec lands are fucking awful eg. Maze, Tabernacle, Chasm.

Solar Ice
02-15-2011, 02:03 PM
Nobody said Counterbalance. While Force of Will is powerful it is not a good card.

Nobody said Counterbalance because, i guess, on its own it's not a powerful card (only with Top - which is very, very good). Force of Will, on the other hand is the glue that holds the format together (imo). It is a format defining card that is surely one on the best ever printed. I also listed Deed.

On a side note, I don't really understand the mass inclusion of Dark Ritual. Apart from TES/ANT, what competitive deck actually plays it? Most I guess, (including me) don't like the card disadvantage, and the fact that it is often a dead draw mid-late game.

Dark Ritual
02-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Eva green runs it. But really, imagine what the format would look like if it didn't have dark ritual in it. Counterbalance would be obsolete due to next to no combo decks, and aggro would rule the format. There would also be some UGx aggro control deck to combat belcher since belcher doesn't run DRit.

My picks:

Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance

White:
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile
Steppe Lynx

Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Thoughtseize

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Krosan Grip
Wild nacatl

Red:
Burning Wish
Pyroblast
Lightning Bolt

Artifact:
Aether Vial
Lion's Eye Diamond
Sensei's Divining Top

Gold:
Qasali Pridemage
Knight of the Reliquary
Pernicious Deed

Lands:
Wasteland
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Maze of Ith
Force of Will isn't good? Okay, go ahead and don't play FoW while I play ANT/TES/SI/DDFT. See how you fare against those decks without FoW.

Nonex
02-15-2011, 03:27 PM
Force of Will is necessary for the format, but I guess necessary != good. For instance, control decks naturally run away from card disadvantage, so Force of Will is one of the last counterspells they would want to run, but the speed and the broken plays of the format leave them no choice. I'd rather see how the format would evolve without Brainstorm.

kiblast
02-15-2011, 03:51 PM
Blue:
Brainstorm
Jace 2.0
Spell Snare

White:
Swords
Enlightened Tutor
Moat

Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Smallpox

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Life from the Loam
Eternal Witness

Red:
Burning Wish
Magus of the Moon
Reb- Pyroblast

Nonbasics non fetch non duals:
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Tabernacle

Artifacts:
Aether Vial
SDT
LED

Gold:
Pernicious Deed
Kotr
Qasali

Mr. Safety
02-15-2011, 04:05 PM
White
1) Swords to Plowshares
2) Enlightened Tutor
3) Moat

Green
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Tarmogoyf
3) Tarmogoyf

(ha ha ha, but seriously)

Green
1) Tarmogoyf
2) Sylvan Library
3) Wild Nacatl

Blue
1) Force of Will
2) Jace, the Mind-Sculptor
3) Brainstorm

Red
1) Lightning Bolt
2) Grim Lavamancer
3) Burning Wish

Black
1) Dark Ritual
2) Dark Confidant
3) Tombstalker

Artifacts
1) Aether Vial
2) Engineered Explosives
3) Chalice of the Void

Gold
1) Knight of the Reliquary
2) Pernicious Deed
3) Qasali Pridemage

Lands
1) Wasteland
2) Gaea's Cradle
3) Dark Depths

menace13
02-15-2011, 04:24 PM
Wow, No one said mountain yeti ? wtfbbq! The card is nuts in red decks.

Also, I'm the first person to mention Erg Raiders.

Neuad
02-15-2011, 07:19 PM
Force of Will isn't good? Okay, go ahead and don't play FoW while I play ANT/TES/SI/DDFT. See how you fare against those decks without FoW.


Force of Will is necessary for the format, but I guess necessary != good. For instance, control decks naturally run away from card disadvantage, so Force of Will is one of the last counterspells they would want to run, but the speed and the broken plays of the format leave them no choice. I'd rather see how the format would evolve without Brainstorm.



Exactly. It's necessary to be able to counter spells without mana open, or in the first few turns. . which makes force necessary. . . not good.

DragoFireheart
02-20-2011, 10:17 AM
Here is what I think overall (Usage, power, utility, impact on format):


Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance

White:
Swords to Plowshares
Path to Exile
Humility

Black:
Ad Nauseam
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Wild Nacatl
Natural Order

Red:
Goblin Lackey
Lightning Bolt
Magus of the Moon

Non-dual lands:
Wasteland
Rishadan Port
Mutavault

Artifacts:
Lion's Eye Diamond
Sensei's Divining Top
Aether Vial

Ubiquitous Druid
02-20-2011, 08:30 PM
Blue:
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Counterbalance
(Intuition)

Black:
Dark Confidant
Dark Ritual
Tombstalker

White:
Swords to Plowshares
Humility
Enlightened Tutor

Red:
Burning Wish
Lightning Bolt
Goblin Welder

Green:
Tarmogoyf
Natural Order
Life from the Loam

Multi:
Progenitus
Pernicious Deed/Firespout
Knight of the Reliquary

Lands:
Wasteland
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Factory

Artifacts:
Sensei's Divining Top
Umezawa's Jitte
Lion's Eye Diamond

RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
02-22-2011, 09:51 PM
Black
1.) Ad Nauseam
2.) Doomsday
3.) Tendrils of Agony

Blue
1.) Brainstorm
2.) Ponder
3.) Diminishing Returns

Red
1.) Empty the Warrens
2.) Grape Shot
3.) Burning Wish

Green
1.) Glimpse of Nature
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Thorn Elemental (the Seventh Edition foil, not the Urza's Destiny version)

White
1.) Orim's Chant
2.) Silence
3.) Abeyance

Artifact
1.) Lion's Eye Diamond
2.) Chrome Mox
3.) Lotus Petal

Colorless
1.) Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2.) Ulamog the Infinite Gyre
3.) It That Betrays

Land
1.) Island
2.) Underground Sea
3.) Polluted Delta

Multicolor
1.) Lim-Dul's Vault
2.) Qasali Pridemage
3.) Lightning Helix

Octopusman
02-22-2011, 10:16 PM
Procrastinating like no other so why not:

Black
1.) Thoughtseize
2.) Tendrils of Agony
3.) Dark Confidant

Blue
1.) Force of Will
2.) Brainstorm
3.) Stifle

Red
1.) Grim Lavamancer
2.) Lightning Bolt
3.) Empty the Warrens

Green
1.) Tarmogoyf
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Natural Order

White
1.) Swords to Plowshares/PTE
2.) Orim's Chant/Silence
3.) Enlightened Tutor

Artifact
1.) Aether Vial
2.) Lion's Eye Diamond
3.) Phyrexian Dreadnaught

Colorless
1.) Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2.) Not of this World
3.) -

Land
1.) Wasteland
2.) Rishadan Port
3.) Academy Ruins

Multicolor
1.) Qasali Pridemage
2.) Vindicate
3.) Gaddock Teeg


I would love it if someone hosted a spreadsheet and archived this information so we can see percentage wise what the overall perception is.

Humphrey
02-22-2011, 10:37 PM
Its really hard to say what cards are the best because it totally depends on the deck. In the terms of power I think

Blue
Force
Jace
Brainstorm

Black
Dark Confidant
Thoughtseize
Tombstalker

Green
Tarmogoyf
Nimble Mongoose
Natural Order

Red
Firespout
Lightning Bolt
Lackey


White
Stp
Humilty
Elspeth

Gold
Quasali Pridemage
Trygon Predator
Knight of Reliquary

Artifact
Vial
SDT
Jitte

Lands
Wasteland
Tabernacle
Mishras F

TheCramp
02-22-2011, 11:41 PM
Red:
Chalice of the Void
Mindbreak Trap
Thorn of Amethyst


Wait, Skeggi won, you can all stop playing.

DukeDemonKn1ght
02-24-2011, 06:16 AM
I'm assuming Nimble Mongoose was a typo?

Killane
02-24-2011, 03:47 PM
Black
1.) Tendrils of Agony
2.) Thoughtseize
3.) Ad Nauseum

Blue
1.) Jace The Mind Sculptor (engine and wincon in one. insane)
2.) Brainstorm
3.) Force of Will

Red
1.) Goblin Lackey
2.) Pyroblast
3.) Empty the Warrens

Green
1.) Tarmogoyf - duh.
2.) Krosan Grip
3.) Natural Order

White
1.) Swords to Plowshares - some people have put PTE as tied with this. That's crazy. Mana>life in most cases, unless you are a tight aggro deck. Unless my opponent is mid Ad Nauseum, I'd much rather give him some life than more options to kill me with.
2.) Humility
3.) Enlightened Tutor

Artifact
1.) Aether Vial
2.) Lion's Eye Diamond
3.) Trinisphere - it may not see as much play, but it can be really backbreaking to play against.

Land
1.) Wasteland - this is the best land by a mile.
2.) Fetchlands (all 10) - sooo good becuase they help fix mana while being good against #1
3.) Basic Island (good against #1 and strictly better than the other 4 basics becuase it makes U mana)