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Nonkel
02-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Lately, I've been fascinated by Show and Tell / Sneak Attack / Natural Order decks that put fatties in to play. Who doesn't want to play turn 1 Emrakul? :wink:
But somehow, these decks fail to make tier 1 status. I will be focussing on the Show and Tell / Natural Order combination because these are both sorceries and because of the UG combination, which, imho is better than anything packing red.

What is wrong with Show and Tell / Natural Order decks imho, is that it's betting on two horses (is this proper english, lol!).
I was toying around with this list, and suddenly it hit me. Show and Tell forces you to play a higher creature count so you have both Show and Tell and a creature in your hand. Natural Order wants you to have a creature in your library, so it profits from a low creature count. How to solve this?

Two answers: Worldly Tutor and Personal Tutor.

Worldly tutor fetches Show and Tell targets, so you can keep creature count low. It doubles as a fetch for Natural Order sac targets, like Dryad Arbor, Noble hierarch.
Also, I put some tech in the sideboard that utilises Worldly Tutor nicely. You got 1 Ethersworn Canonist against combo, 1 Trygon Predator against anything packing artifacts or enchantments, 1 Xantid Swarm against control and 1 Trinket Mage as a mini toolbox with 1 Needle, 1 Crypt and 1 EE. You can tutor for Trinket Mage, that searches for the artifact you also side in. Also, against Goblins and Merfolk you side in 1 Stoneforge Mystic you can search with Worldly Tutor and fetch Sword of Fire and Ice. Not bad, eh?
Show and Tell and Natural Order are both sorceries, so Personal Tutor is insane when it comes down to consistently going off. This is also an advantage over Show and Tell/Sneak Attack.
The package of these 7 tutors (I cut 1 Worldly Tutor since having 2 in your hand is a bit meh and you've got 1 Fierce Empath doubling as tutor for SnT and sac for NO) is what makes this deck amazingly consistent at getting the right card at the right moment. We only need 1 creature to seal the deal most of the time.

Also, ALL fetches are able to get Dryad Arbor so no need to run a high count on sac creatures.
And you only use UG (only 2 white creatures sideboard), so its less vulnerable to mana disruption.

Show and Tell can be cast turn 1 with a good hand, turn 2 more realistically. Natural Order turn 2 with good hand, turn 3 realistically.

Here is the list I came up with. It still needs some finetuning but I did some goldfishing and it looks very promising I must say:

NO Show

4 Noble Hierarch
2 Birds of Paradise
1 Fierce Empath

1 Terastodon
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Progenitus

4 Show and Tell
4 Natural Order

4 Personal Tutor
3 Worldly Tutor
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder

4 Force of Wil
3 Daze

2 Lotus Petal
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Island
4 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard something like this? (under construction)

1 Xantid Swarm
1 Eternal Witness
1 Trygon Predator
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Trinket Mage
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Krosan Grip
2 Divert
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Vendilion Clique

Any suggestions more than welcome!

death
02-20-2011, 05:08 PM
You have 4 Show and Tell and 3 targets with 4 1cc tutor. Chalice @ 1 with shut you down ASAP even though you have 2 Grips on the side. Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor will do the same.

baghdadbob
02-20-2011, 11:38 PM
I'm playing this deck. I have beat several sourcers on mws. However instead of focusing on speed like you seem to be I focus mainly on protecting the combo. This is my list...

4x Noble Hierarch
3x Birds Of Parasites
4x Emrakrul the assholes torn
4x Progenitals
4x Brainstorm
4x Show and Tell and I swear I'll kill your mommy and daddy
4 Natural Order
4x Force of Will
4x Daze
3x Spell Pierce
3x Ponder

s/b
3x Krosan Grip
4x Path to Exile
4x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Trygon
3x Echoing Truth

I really like the deck. It has good matchups against basically everything. Deck's playing sower or temptation and o-ring are usually a bit of a bitch. However turn one trop hierarch with daze in hand is an absurdly strong play. Side board is ify at best I know.

Nonkel
02-21-2011, 05:42 AM
I'm playing this deck. I have beat several sourcers on mws. However instead of focusing on speed like you seem to be I focus mainly on protecting the combo. This is my list...

4x Noble Hierarch
3x Birds Of Parasites
4x Emrakrul the assholes torn
4x Progenitals
4x Brainstorm
4x Show and Tell and I swear I'll kill your mommy and daddy
4 Natural Order
4x Force of Will
4x Daze
3x Spell Pierce
3x Ponder

s/b
3x Krosan Grip
4x Path to Exile
4x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Trygon
3x Echoing Truth

I really like the deck. It has good matchups against basically everything. Deck's playing sower or temptation and o-ring are usually a bit of a bitch. However turn one trop hierarch with daze in hand is an absurdly strong play. Side board is ify at best I know.

Nice list, progenitals made me grin...
I'm wondering how your matchups agains decks with handdisruption fare. Thoughtseize is widespread, and if its teamed up with mana denial and other annoying things (like in the Deadguy Ale matchup), in my experience more protection in the form of counterspells doesn't perform that well. Thats why I added 2 Divert SB, always nice to have people thoughtseize or hymn themselves.... Im not sold on Daze in this deck. NO is expensive at 4 mana, so setting you back a land drop can be a too big disadvantage imho. Also, when it comes to fighting storm combo, it can pay off being faster and landing a lot of damage 1 turn earlier since you can't stop storm.
Maybe its a matter of taste, I think you can build it in both directions and still be competitive.
And for Chalice@1, that stops obviously most decks in the format. This isnt an exeption. I can still play tutor in response or turn 2 Show and Tell if all works out. And grips and trygon SB have a reason, chalice is one, CB is another...

Nonkel
03-04-2011, 04:27 AM
Updated the list to include Fierce Empath as tech for tutoring for SnT target AND doubling as NO sac fodder, at the cost of 1 Worldly Tutor (multiples of these in hand were usually bad). Also tweaked mana base a bit, now 3 Petals 2 ESG and cut a land. Upped NO to 4 in stead of 3.
Finally, because of the many Goblins/Merfolk in my meta added 1 Stoneforge Mystic (tutorable) and a Sword of Fire and Ice in the sideboard at the cost of the 2 Spell Pierce (got 6 counters maindeck).

Any other suggestions?

lolosoon
03-04-2011, 12:03 PM
Too much hype, and too many threads (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?19952-Show-and-Tell-Natural-Order)...

Fffuuuuuuu-sion ?!?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7loOaU0yfWPIz8A4BuHC-B3mOgcwyHqMqPz5ovevlH1AoRGAOQg&t=1

Nonkel
03-14-2011, 06:20 AM
Too much hype, and too many threads (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?19952-Show-and-Tell-Natural-Order)...

Fffuuuuuuu-sion ?!?


How can there be too much hype when it puts 2 decks in T16 last SCG open??

http://mtgpulse.com/event.php?e=439#3675

I think this deck is moving towards established, claiming its a hype is not true to the results its putting up lately.

lolosoon
03-16-2011, 02:50 PM
How can there be too much hype when it puts 2 decks in T16 last SCG open??

http://mtgpulse.com/event.php?e=439#3675

I think this deck is moving towards established, claiming its a hype is not true to the results its putting up lately.
Hey, I didn't say the Deck would not survive the Hype ! It's just that every Timmies and their brothers are jumping on the bandwagon over Cockatrice//MWS and Legacy Forums about putting big fatty monsters into play turn2 without GY dependancy.

Moreover, I DO play the deck (the Timmy inside me sure is happy), and we are putting some great results in medium-sized tournament here, in France.

I was just pointing at a already-existing thread on the Source discussion boards, no offense here.

Nonkel
03-18-2011, 04:08 PM
I was just pointing at a already-existing thread on the Source discussion boards, no offense here.

No problem man, I know there are more threads but this is a different version of the deck. The sheer load of tutors in this deck makes it more flexible in my opinion. Do you have a decklist of your version?