[Los Angeles, CA] Legacy at Melrose Music & Comics! Win a Moat, Underground Seas!

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Legacy at Melrose Music & Comics
Over $1000 in possible prizes! Win a Moat, Underground Seas!

Melrose Music & Comics
7301 Melrose Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90046
(323) 934-3373
http://www.thrillmerchants.com
melrosemusic@gmail.com

Melrose Music & Comics is holding a Legacy event on Sunday, March 6th 2011. We have space for exactly 32 people, so come early! As an incentive for a full house, I've increased the prizes *significantly* if we get our 32 people, including an Force of Will/Tarmogoyf given AT RANDOM to anyone who doesn't place in the top 8!

Jacob Faturechi will be judging this event.

When: Sunday, March 6th, 2011, 12:15PM. Registration starts at 11.
Entry Fee: $25

Rounds will be determined by attendance. We play Swiss.

Prizes:
8-10 entrants:
Cut to top 4.
1st Place - 1x Underground Sea NM, 1x Taiga, Played
2nd Place - 1x Underground Sea, NM
3rd Place - 1x Tarmogoyf, SP
4th place - 1x Phyrexian Dreadnaught, NM
5th Place - $25 Store Credit
6th Place - $25 Store Credit

11-31 entrants:
Cut to top 4; 8 if 24+ Entrants.
1st Place - 2x Underground Sea, NM
2nd Place - 1x Underground Sea, NM, 1x Badlands, NM
3rd Place - 1x Force Of Will, SP, 1x Phyrexian Dreadnaught, NM
4th Place - 1x Tarmogoyf, SP
5th Place - $35 Store Credit
6th Place - $35 Store Credit
7th Place - $25 Store Credit
8th Place - $25 Store Credit

32 entrants: (Capacity is 32)
Cut to top 8.
1x Force of Will, SP, or Tarmogoyf, SP Given at RANDOM to entrants in places 9-32.
1st Place - 1x Moat, NM
2nd Place - 1x Underground Sea, NM, 1x Taiga, SP
3rd Place - 1x Underground Sea, NM
4th Place - 1x Underground Sea, NM
5th Place - $60 Store Credit
6th Place - $60 Store Credit
7th Place - $60 Store Credit
8th Place - $50 Store Credit
9th Place - $30 Store Credit
10th Place - $30 Store Credit
11th Place - $30 Store Credit
12th Place - $25 Store Credit
13th Place - $20 Store Credit
14th Place - $20 Store Credit
15th Place - $20 Store Credit
16th Place - $20 Store Credit
17th Place - $15 Store Credit
18th Place - $15 Store Credit

Any questions or comments? Post here, call or shoot us an e-mail.

All Dual lands are from Revised.

Please note that while we're not trying to be dicks about it, the last prize package will apply ONLY if 32 people attend the event. Not 31, not 30, not 29. We have reasons for wanting an event with 32 people in it. If 30-31 people do show up, I have people I can use to shore it up to 32, so it ain't the end of the world. But still! Tell your friends! Cry from the rooftops! Legacy at Melrose Music & Comics!

[2Rach]

(That includes the people getting store credit.)
Are we to understand that 7th-12th is getting store credit?


Why not give the Personal Tutors as the raffle prize and stick the USea somewhere in the top 6?

[lorddotm]

Are we to understand that 7th-12th is getting store credit?


Why not give the Personal Tutors as the raffle prize and stick the USea somewhere in the top 6?

This. Personal Tutor is a really bad prize.

That said, the rest looks good, so I just shouldn't get 6th.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Fair enough. Let me see what I can do about getting a better prize for 6th place.

And yes, 7th-12th may be getting store credit. I need to look at my cards and see if there's anything worth giving. If not, it'll be credit.

The Underground Sea is going to be raffled off because I want to encourage attendance. Even if you get last, you could win something awesome!

Edit: Done. That prize pool should be much more palatable for everyone involved. (Y'know. Except me. :P)

[COBBLER]

What Does every player plays every round mean? You cant id or somthing? no bye?

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

As opposed to elimination. If there an uneven number of entrants, there will be buys. You can drop, etc. I was just defining what Swiss is, for those who might not know.

[COBBLER]

Oh ok That makes sence

[everythingitouchdies]

Anyone heading from the Valley? I would be interested in tagging along.

[Jacob]

If you need a judge, please feel free to contact me. If I can't do it myself, I can help find you someone who is available (or cheaper :tongue:) to judge.

[saspook]

If there is a top eight, you really should find more comparable prizes for 3/4 and for 5-8. But it looks like you will be running a total of six rounds of swiss (one undefeated remaining plus one more round)?

[lorddotm]

I vote for cut to Top 8.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

If there is a top eight, you really should find more comparable prizes for 3/4 and for 5-8. But it looks like you will be running a total of six rounds of swiss (one undefeated remaining plus one more round)?

I understand; however, I'm working with what I have. The Moat and Underground Seas were bought specifically for the tournament, and the rest is from our stock.

I gave out prizes based on a value curve:

Moat: $250ish on eBay;
Sea + Taiga: $150
Sea: $95
Force + Dreadnought: $70
Goyf: $45
Sinkhole: $30
Hierarch, Crypt: ~$19
Hierarch: $12

And then the store credit for places 9-12. Based on feedback from this event we'll adjust prizes for future events accordingly. It's a learning process. We want to make as many players as happy as possible.

[2Rach]

I understand; however, I'm working with what I have. The Moat and Underground Seas were bought specifically for the tournament, and the rest is from our stock.

I gave out prizes based on a value curve:

Moat: $250ish on eBay;
Sea + Taiga: $150
Sea: $95
Force + Dreadnought: $70
Goyf: $45
Sinkhole: $30
Hierarch, Crypt: ~$19
Hierarch: $12

And then the store credit for places 9-12. Based on feedback from this event we'll adjust prizes for future events accordingly. It's a learning process. We want to make as many players as happy as possible.
To be honest, it's not worth giving out prizes to any place in the tournament if they're not even going to equal the admission($25). Better than nothing, but I don't think it'll draw anyone to the tournament, it would feel like a consolation prize. To add insult to injury, there's going to be someone out there who didn't perform (nearly) as well who's going to get a prize that is only outclassed by 1st and 2nd.

The prizes start being bad around 6th place, with a played Sinkhole. I'd rather have store credit in the same amount that you attribute to the cards in 6th-8th. You should probably forget 9th/10th-12th place and stack it for 6th-8th/9th place.

If you want 32 people to come, I suggest making the prizes more balanced(good). Your problem is the top heavy card, Moat. For less than the price(and if you want to make the value $250, then much less) you can setup two very respectable prizes: two of taiga, bayou, volc, or even savannah. It would serve to attract more people.

You're getting feedback now, with the tournament a little over a week away. You can still change the plan.


EDIT:
By the way, is the Moat English or Italian?

[saspook]

I understand; however, I'm working with what I have. The Moat and Underground Seas were bought specifically for the tournament, and the rest is from our stock.

Sorry, but my question was about if there is a cut, or if it is swiss plus one.

Also 2Rach brings up a really good point. Ninth place gets 11 dollars in store credit and 1/24th of a Underground Sea. That is worth almost as much as 2x 8th place.

My solution would be to: keep 1 and 2 the same, give 3/4 each a Sea, store credit for 5-8 of $35, and raffle off a choice between the force and the goyf.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Sorry, but my question was about if there is a cut, or if it is swiss plus one.

Also 2Rach brings up a really good point. Ninth place gets 11 dollars in store credit and 1/24th of a Underground Sea. That is worth almost as much as 2x 8th place.

My solution would be to: keep 1 and 2 the same, give 3/4 each a Sea, store credit for 5-8 of $35, and raffle off a choice between the force and the goyf.

Apologies for not answering your questions.

I'm unfamiliar with the term "cut," as I am with the phrase "Swiss plus one." Please elaborate.

That cut works for me; everyone seems to be in agreement. I'll change it.


EDIT:
By the way, is the Moat English or Italian?

It's English. I would have mentioned were it in italian.

[saspook]

Apologies for not answering your questions.

I'm unfamiliar with the term "cut," as I am with the phrase "Swiss plus one." Please elaborate.

The DCI rules state how many rounds should be in a tournament. This will vary based on how if there is a "cut" or not.

With 32 people, after 5 rounds of swiss play you will have (assuming no draws) 1 undefeated person and a number of people with 1 loss. If you were to award the prizes like this, it would function like a single elimination event with random prizes to the people with one loss. The DCI does not endorse this method.

Swiss plus 1 add one more round of swiss to that, which means that a player with 1 loss can end up winning first prize, which is nice. Prizes are still awarded pretty randomly.

A cut would take place after the fifth round, and the top eight players would then play a single elimination bracket. So in the first round of the single elimination, anyone who losses is going to finish in 5th through 8th. Because of people being guaranteed to make the top eight (and the cut) with a loss in the last round, you will have players who will intentionally draw and go get a snack before playing the last rounds.

But technically with a cut, everyone doesn't play in "all" of the rounds.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Ah, I see. Hm.

Let me get back to you on that.

[sclabman]

I agree that the prize support should be re-evaluated. Top 8 should at the very least break even for the day.

[lorddotm]

Sorry, but my question was about if there is a cut, or if it is swiss plus one.

Also 2Rach brings up a really good point. Ninth place gets 11 dollars in store credit and 1/24th of a Underground Sea. That is worth almost as much as 2x 8th place.

My solution would be to: keep 1 and 2 the same, give 3/4 each a Sea, store credit for 5-8 of $35, and raffle off a choice between the force and the goyf.

Listen to him. He is so correct is it mind boggling. I don't think anyone who did poorly would complain to getting a Goyf or a Force.

Also, I highly doubt 32 people would show up with these prizes, and I can almost guarantee that 32 people will not show up if there is no cut to Top 8. People can still play if they don't make Top 8 for fun, but Top 8 is a pretty big thing for players, it means that even if you squeak into it, you can still take down the tournament. It is much more forgiving and it rewards skill much more. (I would be pissed if there was no cut and my tiebreaker made is so i was below 4th).

I realize that you don't do a lot of tournaments, but if you want to start, listen to saspook. He is very experienced with this sort of thing. Also, look to emulate Knight Ware and Majestix. Both stores know how it should be.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

We do do a lot of tournaments. Just not huge legacy ones. :) (Yes, 'huge' is relative)

Soooooooo here we go. Post edited with the latest incarnation of the prize support. This is probably final. I went kinda crazy; there's now a cut, as you guys can see, and prizes have been expanded significantly, so even if you get, y'know, 12th (assuming 32 person attendance,) you still walk away with some hopefully great memories and no money lost. Also 1/24th a Force/Goyf. I hear what everyone's saying about prizes less than entry fees being a bit lame, but as someone pointed out, something > nothing. Pretty much every time.

Hopefully this is much, much more palatable. Hit me with your feedback.

[lorddotm]

We do do a lot of tournaments. Just not huge legacy ones. :) (Yes, 'huge' is relative)

Soooooooo here we go. Post edited with the latest incarnation of the prize support. This is probably final. I went kinda crazy; there's now a cut, as you guys can see, and prizes have been expanded significantly, so even if you get, y'know, 12th (assuming 32 person attendance,) you still walk away with some hopefully great memorie and no money lost. Also 1/24th a Force/Goyf. I hear what everyone's saying about prizes less than entry fees being a bit lame, but as someone pointed out, something > nothing. Pretty much every time.

Hopefully this is much, much more palatable. Hit me with your feedback.

Since there is a cut, maybe making 5-8th the same prize would be good. Nothing drastic, just for the 32 ppl have about 52 each in credit and for the other ones, 30 ea. Just since the 5-8th are kind of random. Otherwise, looks perfect!

Also, if there are more than 24ish people we should cut to top 8, and before that stick to Top 4. Top 6 doesn't really work sine after the quarters someone would get a bye and that isn't really fair.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Since there is a cut, maybe making 5-8th the same prize would be good. Nothing drastic, just for the 32 ppl have about 52 each in credit and for the other ones, 30 ea. Just since the 5-8th are kind of random. Otherwise, looks perfect!

Also, if there are more than 24ish people we should cut to top 8, and before that stick to Top 4. Top 6 doesn't really work sine after the quarters someone would get a bye and that isn't really fair.

Done. Prizes standardized and further increased (again...) for 32 players... as I'm no doubt sure most can see, I'm intent on getting a full house.

I'm probably going to go to bed soon... I'll check for feedback in the morning, make changes as I see fit, then copy all these changes to the 5+ other forums where I posted them.

Thanks for the help in making this the best event (and most unprofitable :P) it can be!

[lorddotm]

Done. Prizes standardized and further increased (again...) for 32 players... as I'm no doubt sure most can see, I'm intent on getting a full house.

I'm probably going to go to bed soon... I'll check for feedback in the morning, make changes as I see fit, then copy all these changes to the 5+ other forums where I posted them.

Thanks for the help in making this the best event (and most unprofitable :P) it can be!

Hahaha, we aren't trying to run you broke! Feel free to reign in the prizes, aka only Top 8, I'm 100% sure people won't mind and will understand.


Thank you, I will update the LA forums to reflect this.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Hahaha, we aren't trying to run you broke! Feel free to reign in the prizes, aka only Top 8, I'm 100% sure people won't mind and will understand.


Thank you, I will update the LA forums to reflect this.

I'm not worried. I need 32 people at this event; that is the whole point of its existence. If I lose a bit of money I always have Music & Comics. :P

Seriously though, my primary goal here is to attract players. I'm not in this one to make any money. Take advantage!

[lorddotm]

I'm not worried. I need 32 people at this event; that is the whole point of its existence. If I lose a bit of money I always have Music & Comics. :P

Seriously though, my primary goal here is to attract players. I'm not in this one to make any money. Take advantage!

I will be looking through your records. I guarantee it.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

If you need a judge, please feel free to contact me. If I can't do it myself, I can help find you someone who is available (or cheaper :tongue:) to judge.

I PMed you about this, so get back to me whenever you can. Thanks! (The sooner the better, of course :P)

As I haven't received nearly as much vocal feedback, I'm going to finalize these as the prizes for this event.

[Tru3z3rox]

My vote is if you want to keep the prize support as is then decrease the cost of admission. Volume is always better than charging a high price and getting less players. There is a bit of a distance between 20 and 25 for some reason. Some people don't want to justify paying that much for magic. You could charge an extra 5 for late comers after a certain time as Knight-Ware does. That way you also have MORE fringe business as well. :)

Glad you're starting these and hopefully I'll be able to come/play.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

A fair point. Unfortunately at this time my capacity is exactly 32, so more attendance wouldn't be possible. I also have to clear this with the big boss, and $25 is what he wants. So.... He wins!

It's definitely a learning experience for us, and my Legacy events will benefit greatly from it.

Also, I'm a little confused as to why this prize pool justifies a lower entry fee. Here's my math:

English Moat, NM: $250
Seas x3, NM: $285
Taiga, Played: $45
Total credit given out: $455

Total: $1035, a significant amount more than the $800 I'd be taking in should 32 people attend. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, I'm just wondering if maybe I'm missing something.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Maybe I should mention it more prominently. Attendance will be capped at 32 people! I simply don't have space for more!

Also, Jacob will be judging this event.

[Tru3z3rox]

No the prizes are good..don't get me wrong, but they are very top heavy. The moat for first is fine, but it seems like there is a huge drop right after that.

If you're capped at 32, then there is nothing you can do of course.

I guess I'm just accustomed to Knight-ware and 2x duals all the way down.

[lorddotm]

No the prizes are good..don't get me wrong, but they are very top heavy. The moat for first is fine, but it seems like there is a huge drop right after that.

If you're capped at 32, then there is nothing you can do of course.

I guess I'm just accustomed to Knight-ware and 2x duals all the way down.

Please stop complaining. Melrose is being extremely generous. They are literally losing money. How could you possibly complain?

[Tru3z3rox]

Please stop complaining. Melrose is being extremely generous. They are literally losing money. How could you possibly complain?

Haha..listen bud..if you actually READ what I wrote then you'd see differently. Anyone has the right to contribute input and help them out since it is their first experience. Naturally input is what they want and it is completely subjective, so hold you assaults to yourself. :)

[keys]

I'm excited for this. Been meaning to stop by the store for a while now. I sometimes see people playing on my way to Village Idiot :)

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Haha..listen bud..if you actually READ what I wrote then you'd see differently. Anyone has the right to contribute input and help them out since it is their first experience. Naturally input is what they want and it is completely subjective, so hold you assaults to yourself. :)

No need to fight! Advice is exactly what I wanted. Unfortunately the event is approaching too quickly for me to feel comfortable changing anything up, but I totally feel you on this. That taiga would've been a tropical island had I had any in stock. I'm glad for the feedback; I just want everyone to have a good time!


I'm excited for this. Been meaning to stop by the store for a while now. I sometimes see people playing on my way to Village Idiot :)Great! Don't forget to come early! I'm expecting a full house pretty quickly. We open at 11AM. :)

[Tru3z3rox]

Exactly. Magic is about having fun. I can't wait to be there. See you sunday.

[lorddotm]

Exactly. Magic is about having fun. I can't wait to be there. See you sunday.

This.

I didn't mean to come off as assaulting, just saying you should be thankful.

[Tru3z3rox]

This.

I didn't mean to come off as assaulting, just saying you should be thankful.

Oh I'm extremely thankful. I love the place and all of the guys there. I've been going there a while. Like I said..I was just trying to give them some tips to make as many people happy as possible.

[everythingitouchdies]

I am excited to check this out. Though I almost completely expect to show up just after it has filled up and not get to play.

[i-never-smile]

I will definitely be there for this, so long as the previous night's drinking doesn't deter my ability to show up on time.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

I am excited to check this out. Though I almost completely expect to show up just after it has filled up and not get to play.

I can fit 33 as long as one person is willing to stand around when they get a buy....

[COBBLER]

I am sure they won't mind...

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Fair enough. Capacity is 33.

[saspook]

I don't recommend 33 as it will be another round of swiss.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Haha, that works. 32 it is!

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

There's still time! Come on down! Legacy today at Melrose Music and Comics!

[2Rach]

If anyone saw a Lotus Petal, Spell Snare, and a Fracturing Gust, LMK. They were mine. I probably left them on a table or counter. Can't find them with my stuff.

Great tournament, congrats to Tony and Weston!


EDIT:
The TO ended up giving a few of us Pre/Release promos and Treasure Mages as a bonus. Thanks!

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

We'll take a look tomorrow morning. Thanks!

[COBBLER]

Thanks Shai, it realy was a Great tournament.

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

I'm glad everyone had fun. I'll post detailed results tomorrow.

[keys]

I got screwed by pairings this tourney... Went 2-0-1 then got paired way down both of the last rounds... ending 2-1-2 :(

Where are the T8 results?

[lorddotm]

I got screwed by pairings this tourney... Went 2-0-1 then got paired way down both of the last rounds... ending 2-1-2 :(

Where are the T8 results?

1st Weston with No Show
2nd Tony with Aggro Loam
3rd Navid with Knigths
4th me with ANT
5th John with RUG Dreadstill
6th Keith with Zenith Zoo
7th Cant remember his name with Junk/Rock (couldn't really tell)
8th Shai with Junk

[MelroseMusic&Comics]

Seems the gentleman above beat me. I'll post detailed results shortly; sorry I couldn't do it earlier... it's been hectic.

Alrighty Gents! The Results are as follows:


1st Weston with No Show
2nd Tony D with Aggro Loam
3rd Navid with Knigths
4th Liam with ANT
5th John H with RUG Dreadstill
6th Keith with Zenith Zoo
7th Daniel H with Junk/Rock ("Where are all my burn cards?!" is his deck name on the deck list)
8th Shai with Junk

9th Matt
10th Chris D
11th Andrew
12th Bryan
13th Tony
14th Ian
15th Todd
16th Eric
17th Ryan
18th Wil
19th Edgar
20th Daniel K with Burn
21st James
22nd Adam
23rd Christian O with Reanimator

As I go through the decklists, which i haven't had time to do, I'll update the below-top-8 with the types of decks they ran. Shouldn't take more than a night. Thanks for the patience!

[2Rach]

I found my cards. The Spell Snare and Co. was in my blue section so I guess when I went through them I didn't recognize it.