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[PMP]Krevvy
02-23-2011, 12:06 PM
I have been playing with countertop thopter recently (been testing tezzeret in it) and as i use to play dreadstill i didn't need a moat. I do plan on buying one soon as it really is just that good but there is a tournament coming up this Sunday and as i am cheap like more legacy players i usually buy most expensive cards off of ebay or my local store.

So wondering if there is a good replacement for moat? My list is vary similar to the one posted by Adam Barnello. I just run 3 dark confidants instead of his Ensnaring Bridge, 1 counterbalance, and the EE is in the sideboard. And the mana base is sceud a bit more to black. But i may change more to his list as it is more likely better.

If there isn't a true replacement then what would be anther type of card to run? The metagame is mostly merfolk, goblins, and other agro decks. Only 1 person plays TES and we have 1 enchantress player.

Here is Adams list for reference:
# 4 Senseis Divining Top
# 3 Thopter Foundry
# 1 Sword of the Meek
# 1 Ensnaring Bridge
# 1 Engineered Explosives
# 1 Pithing Needle
# 4 Counterbalance
# 1 Oblivion Ring
# 1 Moat-----------What to replace with
# 4 Enlightened Tutor
# 4 Swords to Plowshares
# 4 Brainstorm
# 4 Force of Will
# 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
# 2 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
# 3 Mox Opal
# 4 Seat of the Synod
# 1 Ancient Den
# 1 Vault of Whispers
# 1 Island
# 1 Plains
# 2 Tundra
# 1 Underground Sea
# 1 Academy Ruins
# 4 Flooded Strand
# 2 Polluted Delta
# 2 Scalding Tarn

(nameless one)
02-23-2011, 12:07 PM
I run Humility in my CounterTop Thopters. Ensnaring Bridge is good too.

Piceli89
02-23-2011, 12:08 PM
Uhm..
http://www.mtgvault.com/images/cards/TMP/Humility.jpg

[PMP]Krevvy
02-23-2011, 12:36 PM
Problem with humility is it messes with tezzerets -1. But I guess that may be the trade off I have to make.

GGoober
02-23-2011, 01:08 PM
IIRC, Tezz's -1 will make your artifacts 5/5 under Humility due to timestamp (i.e. they use the same layer but you apply it after Humility, works the same way as manlands).

[PMP]Krevvy
02-23-2011, 01:38 PM
Oh didn't know that Tezzeret ability would work as the same as manlands. Okay I'll use humilty instead for this weekend, thank you guys.

(nameless one)
02-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Georgetown, Ontario? Where is this tournament youre going to? I'm from ghettos of Brampton.

Rico Suave
02-23-2011, 03:21 PM
IIRC, Tezz's -1 will make your artifacts 5/5 under Humility due to timestamp (i.e. they use the same layer but you apply it after Humility, works the same way as manlands).

Long story short: whichever one of these two effects was created last will take effect.

If Humility is in play, and Tezz's -1 turns an artifact into a creature, it will be a 5/5.

If Tezz's -1 turns an artifact into a creature, and then later Humility enters the battlefield, that creature will be a 1/1.

android
02-23-2011, 04:53 PM
Yeah, I was going to say Ensnaring Bridge or Meekstone.