Dark Vegevine

[Sniperfreak]

Hello there, out of boredom of playing allways storm combo decks and Doomsday Emrakul deck i made a deck that it's similar to some ones posted first but this is a funny and different way to look vegevine decks.

Ok let's check the decklist:


// Deck file for Magic Workstation

// Lands
3 Bayou
2 Gaea's Cradle
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Forest
2 Tropical Island
1 Swamp
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Wasteland

// Creatures
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Fauna Shaman
4 Wild Mongrel
1 Shield Sphere

//Nice to Discard
2 Big Game Hunter
4 Bloodghast
4 Vengevine
4 Basking Rootwalla
2 Life from the Loam

// Spells
4 Intuition
4 Careful Study
4 Chain of Smog


// Sideboard
SB: 3 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 3 Extirpate
SB: 2 Engineered Plague
SB: 3 Choke
SB: 4 Mindbreak Trap


Ok, first of all i'll advise that i'm not good at making SB so additionaly i'll very apreciate your adds to SB.
Ok let's comment the cards:

Fauna shaman : As Survival get banned, its the only tutor creature we have , anyway she makes her job very well.
Quirion ranger: Make us to play fauna shaman 2 times x turn getting faster to put our creatures in grave.
Wild Mongrel: Nice creature to block getting bigger to Goblins attackers and makes easyer to us to discard if we have a lot of discartable cards in hand.
Shield Sphere: Allows faster vegevine revival and steps over Ethersworn Canonist and Loadstone golem. Additionaly it's a solid blocker.
Vegevine: So obvios, send Vv to grave to revival them by casting 2 creatures.
Bloodghast: The other recursive creature, it's not synergic with vengevine but anyway it's a very agro creature that make the control deck suffer a lot beacose its more easy to revival than vengevine and in the final steps of game it's a lot better when it gets haste.
Basking: Advantage by playing with madness.
Big Game Hunter: THe only bad thing this creature have, is that if we play it the second creature as vegevine triggers and our opponent hasn't a creature with P>=4 we have to kill of our vines, anyway this creature is incredibly powerful and owns Most terrifying creatures as Emrakul, Relicari, Goyfs, tombstalkers, dreadnought,Iona, and some more...
Life from the loam: This is a new add i make a few hours ago since I have seen that Gaeas craddle is sometimes very needed, especiale vs MUD, Stax and decks that mana screw you, is synergical with Vengevine, VERY synergical with Bloodghast but not synergical with rootwanas but my balance from the last hours testing is very positive. This justifies the presece of a single Wasteland that we can intuition for.
Intuition: Best tutor we have, very very powerful as we can make some interesting tricks, its very powerful with loam, vines and Bloodghast.
Careful study: Cantrip that we can take a lot of advantage with discartable cards.
Chain of smog: It's a funny card and takes the opponent to a difficult siuation as sometimes we don't have the mongrel and fauna shaman on play to make's us discard or not...


Sb:

Extirpate: Vs Ichroid and combo.
Mindbrake trap: Vs Storm combo.
Choke: Blue decks(Tempo, CB decks, landstill, and infinite etc)
Maelstrom: vs Empty the warrens, CB, Humility, moat, Loadstone golem...
Enginereed Plague: vs tribal



Ok so that's all i thinks its too early to post percentiles of average winning pairings, so i only wish we enjoy this deck and if its posible to make it as competitive as we can improving the decklist.


Regards.

Alex

[Tainted]

If you play blu I suggest you to use even wonder to make your creatures fly over enemies.
Why are you using the shaman? I mean, what are you looking for? All creatures you really need, are better in the graveyard than in your hand, then why don't use buried alive instead? If you need more discard you can always use putrid imp.
If I may suggest a B plan you can add even entomb to looking for life from the loam, syphon life, raven's crime and worm harvest all nice card to retrace with lftl.
Dark confidant will help this deck and you can always take back your life point with syphon life.
For the SB we really need something vs graveyard hate, if they break Tormod's Crypt when you have vengevine inside you can try to continue with bloodghast or B plan, but if they use leyline you can't really do anything untill you remove it.

[Sniperfreak]

LOL thanks, i forgot wonder!

And other changes seem that deck takes a loop to a so diferent point of view, but i like it :), loam turns into a more important card and its more a trickery deck.


But i find no slots for the plan B you suggest :S The list i did is these:


// Lands
2 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Forest
3 Tropical Island
1 Swamp
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Wasteland
2 Gaea's Cradle

// Creatures
1 Big Game Hunter
4 Vengevine
4 Bloodghast
4 Basking Rootwalla
1 Stinkweed Imp
2 Aquamoeba
3 Putrid Imp
4 Wild Mongrel
1 Wonder

// Spells
3 Careful Study
4 Chain of Smog
2 Life from the Loam
4 Buried Alive
4 Intuition

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Big Game Hunter
SB: 3 Extirpate
SB: 2 Engineered Plague
SB: 3 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 3 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 3 Pithing Needle



After a few testing i have edited some time the list, confidants doesn't make sense in this deck beacose of vengevine cost and mindbreak cost after sb and some other cost 3, additionally we don't have any way to control our top deck.
I included some other creatures that may be useful as aquamoeba or stinkweed imp but now with 22 creature and 8 of them grave creature i feel that they are too few for revivinig vines...


Regards, Alex

[Tainted]

There are few things i don't understand:
Gaea's Cradle: do you really need all that mana? I mean, our mana curve end at cc3(and on cc3 one there's a black or blue) , cause i rarely want to hardcast Vengevine, i don't really think it would be useful, and vs manadenial deck i prefer a basic land than a craddle that they can waste me.
Wasteland: in monocopy i don't think it will be really usefull, even if you say you're gonna search for it with intuition(and i think there are better target in this deck) is always a T4 wasteland and not rally useful 'cause on T4 the opponent usually will already have all the land he need to make his game, and btw on T3 i prefer to do intuition for vengevine than for waste/loam, cause a waste will not end the game, 3 vengevine or 2 vengevine+wonder will do; and btw mana denial is not the strategy of this deck, then i think you can cut that.
Chain of Smog:I don't really like this card, why do you use it? if your target is more often the opponent i think there are better card than that, even entomb(you can use entomb also for wonder or lftl)+syphon life/worm harvest, or a mox diamond to speed up the deck(a T1 confidant or mogrel would be so good), if you target more often yourself than the opponent a Psychatog or a zombie infestation probably would be better.
Another thing about the land, You probably want Undearground sea and Polluted Delta over Bayou and Verdant catacomb, you really need an island to make wonder works.
On a side note if you want to surprise opponents in Game 2 you can side out 4 vengevine for the Natural Order -Progenitus pack if you play Dryad Arbor main deck, bloodghast are easy to save, it's enough fetch for something and the land that enter will revive bloodghast.

[Justin]

Here is a link to an article by Caleb Durwald about Dark Vengevine: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/legacy-weapon-juggling-formats/

Here is the list:

4 Vengevine
4 Bloodghast
4 Dark Confidant
2 Wild Mongrel
3 Birds of Paradise
4 Putrid Imp
4 Basking Rootwalla

4 Intuition
4 Careful Study
2 Umezawas Jitte
4 Cabal Therapy

2 Swamp
1 Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Forest
4 Bayou
1 Gaeas Cradle
1 Tropical Island
1 Cephalid Coliseum

Sideboard
3 Engineered Plague
1 Darkblast
3 Mindbreak Trap
1 Diabolic Edict
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Maelstrom Pulse

[Sniperfreak]

Well, with the pack of aquamoebas and imps i think the chain of smog its pretty useless so we can move into deck the maelstrom pulses from sb andput in sb the NO pack.
The Loam its necesary vs Staxx and Loam decks that can destroy most of our lands and kill our creatures easily.
And 2 or 1 copy's doesn't annoy us and are easily searcheable by intuition.

EDIT: LOL so Celeb do an article of a simylar deck that i thought, nice, i'll test his version as his vengevine deck like too much for me too :) Tnx 4 you aportation.

Regards.