Ad: Serendib Sorcerer, Sorceress Queen, Mishras Factory and layering stuff

[Offler]

When you check Misrha's Factory on gatherer there is ruling saying:

10/1/2009 The layering rules have changed. Now if you animate a land and it's power and toughness are lowered by Mutilate or a similar effect, reactivating the land's ability won't reset the values. This is because you apply all effects that set power and tougness to specific values before you apply any that modify power and toughness, regardless of the order in which the effects resolve.

Its clear to me when the abilities are on stack in any order. but...

Precombat main phase
Creature 1/1 is grown by Giant Growth to 4/4

Declaring attacker step
Creature attacks

Now Serendib sorcerer activated its ability. Or maybe, he activates its ability at the end of turn. Its clear that effects which end at the end of turn do not change results from effects of

Whats the P/T of the creature? I guess its 3/5 (instead of 0/2) no matter there was much more time between Giant growth and Sorcerers's ability. I am trying to imagine it as "Serendib sorcerer changes the values written on the card, but does not negate effects from any pumping".


Its pretty easy to find out that it weakens some "immortality" usage of manlands, but since then ... I can hardly imagine how can Serendib sorcerer affect the combat as it does before. Is there any way how to make serendib sorcerer useful in such situation? Something that its hidden behind the layering...

[Malchar]

It looks like the p/t of the creature will be 3/5 based on your findings and rule 613.3.

[anonymos]

613.1a Layer 1: Copy effects are applied. See rule 706, “Copying Objects.”
Nothing
613.1b Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied.
Nothing
613.1c Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. See rule 612, “Text-Changing Effects.”
Nothing
613.1d Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object’s
card type, subtype, and/or supertype.
Blood Moon, Opalescence, Enchanted Evening, Mutavault
613.1e Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
Painters Servant
613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding and ability-removing effects are applied.
Humility
613.1g Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied.
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities are applied. See rule 604.3.
Nothing
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.
Opalescence, Humility, Mutavault
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don’t set power and/or toughness
to a specific number or value) are applied.
Nothing
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 120.
Nothing
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature’s power and toughness are applied. Such effects take
the value of power and apply it to the creature’s toughness, and take the value of toughness and
apply it to the creature’s power.

The bolded part is the specific part of 613.3 that is important for your example. I copy/pasted this from the how humility works thread.