[SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

[Barook]

Looks like infos are slowly dribbling in.

This one is already known for a while:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=115363&d=1297746104

This one is new, though:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116363&stc=1&d=1301374681

Looks like white gets off-color stuff from black.

[survival]

It'll probably see play in dredge and some reanimator sideboards

[TheSleeper]

I am LOVING this guy's artwork. Insane.

[dahcmai]

Not really off color considering Crovax, Ascendant Hero is the smaller version. This is a bigger Crovax almost exactly. Well, at least he was decent in fun decks.

[Bardo]

I am LOVING this guy's artwork. Insane.

Agreed. I love the style. Can't wait to see what else he's done in the set.

[Nidd]

I am LOVING this guy's artwork. Insane.
Have to agree.

I really hope there are versions with the Phyrexian writings on them around... Somewhere...

[LegacyInferno]

I am really curious about why in particular WotC decided to release the name so soon. considering how hush hush they have been about it.

I don't know about any of you, but I religiously listen to mtg podcasts, and I have noticed since PAX magic podcasters have (myself included) that the lack of information on "Action" was very disheartening, YET we knew what the next block was going to be called. like when did that ever happen before?

So I express that maybe and this only my opinion that WotC finally got the picture that players were getting annoyed with this secretive b.s. that they were trying to push on us. and finally released the set name because of the outcry for it.

anyways, I really like what I have seen so far. I am looking forward to what the next sword will do. hopefully something relentless assult and a swords to plowsheres effect would be great, I've seen so many players say lighting helix effects, but too me that doesn't make sense, it would seem so underpowered in the current meta and block build. I mean the sword is called War & Peace, what is more warfull than relentless assulting and peaceful than removing a creature from the game?

[(nameless one)]

I know it doesn't sound like war and peace but a Moonhold effect on the sword would be cool.

[Parax]

Moonhold effect would be way too powerful. If you equip a flier, then your opponent would never get a chance to play a flier to block it. No es bueno

[lordofthepit]

Moonhold effect would be way too powerful. If you equip a flier, then your opponent would never get a chance to play a flier to block it. No es bueno

It'd be fair... as long as the effect ended on your turn. =)

[raye]

Have to agree.

I really hope there are versions with the Phyrexian writings on them around... Somewhere...

I thought the same thing. Some cards with Phyrexian text would make amazing promo cards.

[vercadium]

Not really off color considering Crovax, Ascendant Hero is the smaller version. This is a bigger Crovax almost exactly. Well, at least he was decent in fun decks.

Nope it's still off colour; One of the large points of the Planar Chaos set was the addition of a great deal of off-colour cards including the new Crovax print.

To quote the set information:
"The team chose to represent alternate realities where elements of the color pie were shifted, placing spell types and abilities into unusual colors."

[The Big Ragu]

I'm glad Phyrexia won. 'Mirrodin Pure' is the worst name for an expansion I've ever heard.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I think War and Peace should be Blinding Angel + "One Additional Attack Phase".

[Sims]

I think War and Peace should be Blinding Angel + "One Additional Attack Phase".

Any sword that takes that concept is fine by me. I was calling and hoping for the blinding Angel sword when they spoiled Feast and Famine

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I really think it'd be hella broken, but meh.

As a huge Hellraiser fan, I'm looking forward to there being more Cenobites in NPH. Looking at the preview art on the Wizards' site, there seems to be a LOT of Legends in this set. They've already spoiled art for like 8.

[Crysthorn]

Agreed. I love the style. Can't wait to see what else he's done in the set.

Unfortunately, not much - Igor has done only 6 artworks for NPH, 3 of which you've already seen (Suture Priest, Elesh Norn and Geosurge). But yeah, his vision of white Phyrexians (i.e. Priests of Norn) is awesome.

[(nameless one)]

I really hope that we get more good mono-white control tools in NPH that are not creature based. Outside of Swords to Plowshares, White needs too be represented more in the format. I mean even red (outside of Goblins) is making a comeback in the format.

[Sims]

I just need to know if they are actually going to print cards in Phyrexian. Seriously, I need to have some of those cards for EDH/casual play in phyrexian if they exist.

The Elesh Norn on the mothership site in Phyrexian is unbefuckingleivable looking to me. I'd buy all my cards in that language from here on out if it was an option.

[kiblast]

As a huge Hellraiser fan, I'm looking forward to there being more Cenobites in NPH

Yeah I absolutely love the Cenobites theme. And the artworks are insane. I'd love something even more brutal and horrorific for the Phyrexian part...
http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/nov10/chatterbox.jpg

[scrumdogg]

They've printed cards in Korean and Cyrillic, Sanskrit and Hebrew, why not Klingon & Phyrexian? :)

[Barook]

Any sword that takes that concept is fine by me. I was calling and hoping for the blinding Angel sword when they spoiled Feast and Famine
According to a Dev's twitter, they actually tried that one out, but dropped it fast because it was too powerful/unfun.


Looking at the preview art on the Wizards' site, there seems to be a LOT of Legends in this set. They've already spoiled art for like 8.
At the very least, we get a general in each color (Elesh Norn being the white one). Also Karn in some form, although most likely not as Planeswalker. Maybe the next block focuses on legends again?

[edgarps22]

I am hoping for a return to Homelands in the next block, but yeah Elesh Norn screams to be run in Standard, and the art is jaw dropping. Give us more Cenobites, I would love a Magic equivalent of Pinhead.

[The Big Ragu]

I am hoping for a return to Homelands in the next block, but yeah Elesh Norn screams to be run in Standard, and the art is jaw dropping. Give us more Cenobites, I would love a Magic equivalent of Pinhead.

A return to Homelands would be awesome. The cards were terribly underpowered, but I loved the setting and characters.

[(nameless one)]

At the very least, we get a general in each color (Elesh Norn being the white one). Also Karn in some form, although most likely not as Planeswalker. Maybe the next block focuses on legends again?

Just like how Mirrodin 1.0 was followed by Kamigawa? I kind of already made a speculation back at MTG Salvation that sets follow a cycle (Onslaught with the fetchland connection of Zendikar, both sets being followed by Mirrodin). There was more in depth discussion. I'll try to look for it if I can still find it.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

MaRo said Innistrad is NOT homelands2. Id like to return too. As for kiblast posting Chatterer 2...c'mon...Pinhead looks the coolest imo

[dahcmai]

Innistrad isn't Homelands? Bah. They could have had a winner right there. Why do they keep avoiding what people want. We like Nostalgia!

[Nidd]

Maybe this set will turn out to be... Scars of Kamigawa!

[eq.firemind]

Maybe this set will turn out to be... Scars of Kamigawa!
Like critters in Kamigawa weren't fucking ugly already!

[Nidd]

Like critters in Kamigawa weren't fucking ugly already!
Picture it like this:

Infectious Samurai 2BB
Creature - Zombie Samurai
Bushido 2; Infect
2/2

Or how about some Ninjas?

Infectious Ninja 3B
Creature - Zombie Ninja
Ninjutsu 1B; Infect
2/3

Fuck yeah!

[n00bas4urus_r3x]

Ninjitsu with Infect would be pretty sweet actually. I loved CoK block. Drafting was so much fun.

[TOGITwill]

I loved asking people if they wanted to draft CoK block. Actually, I just loved any opportunity to use the term CoK Block.

[(nameless one)]

I know its April Fools today but one can wish (I can't understand Spanish/Portuguese, but heres where it came from: SPOILER (http://www.ligamagic.com.br/?view=forum/mensagem&id=79348))

http://i53.tinypic.com/j0wj2a.jpg

And the other one (or supposed to be other one):

http://i53.tinypic.com/zoeqo1.jpg

[Sims]

I'll have to look at them when I get home, the images are blocked by my companies web filter.

April fools or not, i'd like to see em lol.

[DarthVicious]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.ligamagic.com.br/%3Fview%3Dforum/mensagem%26id%3D79348&ei=8jWWTbDVB8uRgQe85cS3CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ligamagic.com.br/%253Fview%253Dforum/mensagem%2526id%253D79348%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns

All they can talk about is what day it is. Either wouldn't bother me.

Although I'd rather see the black one be some kind of tutor effect... or discard spell.

IF this cycle is reprinted, red obviously gets a free burn spell. White gets free lifegain? Green gets free pump spell?

[forsmark]

Force of Will in standard? No way. Also, reprinted as an uncommon? I mean, Caw Blade is the most dominant standard deck, everyone and their mother who plays standard are gonna need a set of them then. I do not believe this.

[Dragon_Whelp]

It's obviously an April's Fool, but that would be totally awesome. Well, i think so. The people who sell FoWs might disagree.

[Koby]

I'll have to look at them when I get home, the images are blocked by my companies web filter.

April fools or not, i'd like to see em lol.

+1.

[kiblast]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.ligamagic.com.br/%3Fview%3Dforum/mensagem%26id%3D79348&ei=8jWWTbDVB8uRgQe85cS3CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ligamagic.com.br/%253Fview%253Dforum/mensagem%2526id%253D79348%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns



Probably the worst fake spoiler ever. That Fow screams I'm fake with all its ugliness. And Uncommon? If it would ever be reprinted,I bet it would be a Mythic...

[SlopeeJ]

I don't pay much attention to these spoilers/speculation but I know for sure one way for wizards to get me to buy packs would be to put cards in there I actually want. Force being one of them (Haven't bought packs since zen fetches)

I'll take your guys word for it. I don't play standard, but would force really be that powerful?

[Rune]

I don't pay much attention to these spoilers/speculation but I know for sure one way for wizards to get me to buy packs would be to put cards in there I actually want. Force being one of them (Haven't bought packs since zen fetches)

I'll take your guys word for it. I don't play standard, but would force really be that powerful?

Jace, Spell Pierce, Mana Leak and FoW in the same T2 format. Well, I think I would enjoy that, but the kids with the bad non-blue decks probably wouldn't.

[Nidd]

I don't pay much attention to these spoilers/speculation but I know for sure one way for wizards to get me to buy packs would be to put cards in there I actually want. Force being one of them (Haven't bought packs since zen fetches)

I'll take your guys word for it. I don't play standard, but would force really be that powerful?
Bleh... Giving up 1 card extra to counter a spell is very relevant in standard right now. It would, however, turn on all the dead Spell Pierces in the Caw Blade decks during lategame.

I honestly don't think Force would downright ruin Standard if it would be reprinted, but it probably won't be.

[Pinder]

IF this cycle is reprinted, red obviously gets a free burn spell. White gets free lifegain? Green gets free pump spell?

It already was a cycle:


Force of Will
Bounty of the Hunt
Pyrokinesis
Contagion


...come to think of it, I'm not sure there was a white one. I can't think of one, anyway.

[Koby]

Scars of the Veteran. Terrible, to be sure.

[menace13]

I am pretty sure FoW would be nuts in T2, Tap out to play Jace and still have counter up, Equip the Caws with no fear of removal jacking that tempo.

[Pinder]

Scars of the Veteran. Terrible, to be sure.

Indeed. But a lot of cycles back then were awfully imbalanced. Compare Healing Salve to Ancestral Recall, for example. White always seems to get the worst ones.

edit - More on topic, do people think that Sword of War and Peace will still show up? Are all of the cards whose art have been shown showing up regardless of which set it ended up being?

[Nidd]

Indeed. But a lot of cycles back then were awfully imbalanced. Compare Healing Salve to Ancestral Recall, for example. White always seems to get the worst ones.

edit - More on topic, do people think that Sword of War and Peace will still show up? Are all of the cards whose art have been shown showing up regardless of which set it ended up being?
All cards that have been seen which were conceived as Mirrodin Pure cards will be printed with the New Pyhrexia expansion symbol. Mirrodin Pure never existed, Action was planned as new Phyrexia from the very beginning.

[dahcmai]

Scars of the Veteran is pretty awesome if Doran made a comeback also. Don bash the Scars. : )

[lordofthepit]

Probably the worst fake spoiler ever. That Fow screams I'm fake with all its ugliness. And Uncommon? If it would ever be reprinted,I bet it would be a Mythic...

If it were reprinted with that type of ugly art, I hope it's Mythic so I don't have to see it too often. And it would alleviate any concerns some people might have about their Alliances Force of Wills dropping in price because the ugliness of that reprint would make that card wholly undesirable.

[kiblast]

If it were reprinted with that type of ugly art, I hope it's Mythic so I don't have to see it too often. And it would alleviate any concerns some people might have about their Alliances Force of Wills dropping in price because the ugliness of that reprint would make that card wholly undesirable.

Yeah I agree,but on the other way I was thinking that, you know, foil is foil. If they come up with a very nice artwork, I might accept a reprint, but only as a mythic. But I see myself in 99,99% of the case loving Terese's artwork more than everything else they could come up. I'ts so iconic and strong that it can be outclassed only by a very talented artist ( I'd love to see some Rebecca Guay take on a Fow...^^) ; oh, let's be honest, old one would win anyway for the old frame...


MaRo said Innistrad is NOT homelands2. Id like to return too. As for kiblast posting Chatterer 2...c'mon...Pinhead looks the coolest imo

Yeah Pinhead is the coolest for sure, I was giving some reference for Phyrexian art as I'd love it to be :)

[Dragon_Whelp]

If it were reprinted with that type of ugly art, I hope it's Mythic so I don't have to see it too often. And it would alleviate any concerns some people might have about their Alliances Force of Wills dropping in price because the ugliness of that reprint would make that card wholly undesirable.

I am sure that the demographic for almost-naked muscular men flexing their muscles would prefer the old one, but other than that...

[menace13]

I am sure that the demographic for almost-naked muscular men flexing their muscles would prefer the old one, but other than that...
What would you prefer?
The old art is iconic and not gay male porn. Reprinting FoW with art that is not up to par with Terese would be a shame.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Terese's art is 'nice', but not amazing. New FoW art could be better than the original, but it would have to be freaking amazing to undermine the iconic art on the original.

[Barook]

All cards that have been seen which were conceived as Mirrodin Pure cards will be printed with the New Pyhrexia expansion symbol. Mirrodin Pure never existed, Action was planned as new Phyrexia from the very beginning.
I don't get why anybody thought it could be anything else but New Phyrexia. Its name has been a trademark since ages, way before even Scars of Mirrodin was released.

It was nothing more than a shitty attempt at a marketing gag. And we all know fully well how much Wizards fails in terms of marketing campaigns.

[Admiral_Arzar]

LOL @ the obvious April Fool's joke.

[Koby]

Terese's art is 'nice', but not amazing. New FoW art could be better than the original, but it would have to be freaking amazing to undermine the iconic art on the original.

I do miss the old days that blue cards got red-themes art that made it really pop out.

Counterbalance
Force of Will
http://magiccards.info/sh/en/36.html
http://magiccards.info/tp/en/57.html

[Jeff Kruchkow]

LOL @ the obvious April Fool's joke.

The joke would be far better if it wasn't a joke. That way wizards could laugh it up when the collective legacy community shits its pants at the prerelease.

[Clark Kant]

I'm really pumped for the upcoming Neil Patrick Harris themed set!

[plus_ten]

23 cards have been spoilt on the other major mtg forum. All scanned in Japanese (they don't seem to look faked). Just putting the news here in the hope that we can get them translated sooner.

[Mark Sun]

They're doing a pretty good job on MTGS translating so far. Notably,

Karn, the Savior - 7
Planeswalker - Karn (M)

+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
-3: Exile target permanent.
-14: Return all exiled non-Aura permanents to the battlefield under your control.

6 Loyalty



I didn't think they'd print a Colorless Planeswalker, but sure. There's a new type of mana symbol, Phyrexian, which can be paid with the color of mana tied to the symbol or 2 life. Also, there's a throwback Phyrexian Negator with Infect for BBBB. Fun times.

[Nessaja]

The Phyrexian Negator is

BBBB
5/5
Trample
Whenever a source damages ~, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.

Holy ****, that's awesome.

[(nameless one)]

As a diehard mono-white control player, these got me excited:


Phyrexian ~ 2W

Enchantment

Having 0 or less life doesn't cause you to lose the game.

Whenever a source that would deal damage to you would bring your life below 0, that source deals that much poison counters instead.

That's an uncommon! Time to get some Leeches!

Also, Stoneforge Mystic has a new partner in crime:


Mirran Paladin WW

Creature - (undetermined)

Whenever an equipment enters the battlefield under your control, draw a card

Metalcraft - Equip on your equipment costs 0 instead

2/2

EDIT: Leeches won't work with the above card :(

[Nessaja]

They're doing a pretty good job on MTGS translating so far. Notably,

Karn, the Savior - 7
Planeswalker - Karn (M)

+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
-3: Exile target permanent.
-14: "Set aside all non-aura permanents exiled by Karn, The Exiled, then restart the game. Then put all cards set aside *that you do not own* this way onto the battlefield under your control."
6 Loyalty

Apparently they missed the bolded part..

[TsumiBand]

As a diehard mono-white control player, these got me excited:



That's an uncommon! Time to get some Leeches!

Also, Stoneforge Mystic has a new partner in crime:



EDIT: Leeches won't work with the above card :(

It will, you just have to Donate it first, heh.

[Barook]

Puresteel Paladin :w::w:

When an equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card.
Metalcraft - Equipments cost 0 to equip.
2/2

Looks like Stoneforger Mystic found a new fried. More living weapons are going to be in the set, too.

Edit:
Praetor's Grip :1::b::b:
Sorcery
Choose an opponent. Search that player's library for a card, reveal it and exile it.
That player shuffles his library. As long as that card is exiled, you may look at it and play it.

Could have interesting uses as well.

[(nameless one)]

Apparently they missed the bolded part..

So it's like Shahrazad with Leyline permanents? I think control decks can pull that.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I'm leaning towards calling fake on those. It's weird that they're all rares, for one thing. They have that mix of unoriginal but needlessly convoluted and overpowered that tends to mark fanbrew cards. Why is Karn a destroying machine? He's a pacifist. Why print Caged Sun when Gauntlet of Power already exists? Why even print the new Negator? He's busted as all fuck. Why reprint Nightmare Lash when it's among the cards that Mark Rosewater said he really wishes hadn't been printed? Why would Fresh Meat be printed as a sorcery?

Praetor's Grip is only really interesting and elegant design there. The only reason I'd lean towards maybe believing these are real, though, is the Phyrexian "alternate" mana symbol, which seems like something that Wizards might actually do, that someone trying to fake cards wouldn't take a risk on. But cards like Screamwhip and Phyrexian Canceller I just can't see being printed.

[plus_ten]

All translated.



Chancellor of the Furnace
4RRR
5/5
Creature - (Giant)
At the beginning of the game, if ~ is in your hand, you may reveal it and put a 1/1 red goblin creature with Haste on the battlefield.
When this enters the battlefield, put X 1/1 red goblin creatures with Haste onto the battlefield, where X is the number of creatures you control.

Chancellor of the Dross
4BBB
6/6
Creature - (Vampire)
Flying, Lifelink
At the beginning of the game, if ~ is in your hand, you may reveal it. If you do, at the beginning of your first upkeep, you may have each opponent lose 3 life. Gain life equal to the life lost this way.

Praetor's Grip
1BB
Sorcery
Search your opponent's deck for a card and exile it facedown. While it's exiled this way, you may look at it and play it as though it were in your hand.

Urabrask, the Hidden
Legendary Creature - Praetor
4/4
Creatures you control have Haste.
Creatures your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.

BB
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has Infect.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a -1/-1 counter on enchanted creature.
When enchanted creature goes to the graveyard from the battlefield, return ~ to its owner's hand.

4U
Enchantment
When ~ enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other creature types.

Phyrexian Canceller
BBBB
Creature - Horror
5/5
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to ~, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.

Karn the Released (?)
(mana cost) 7
Planeswalker - Karn
+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
-3: Exile target permanent.
-14: Set aside all non-aura permanents exiled by Karn, then restart the game. After that, put into the battlefield under your control all cards set aside this way.
(loyalty) 6

Caged Sun
6
When Caged Sun enters the battlefield, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color have +1/+1.
Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of the chosen color to your mana pool.

Puresteel Paladin
WW
2/2
Creature - Human Knight
Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card.
Metalcraft - As long as you control 3 or more artifacts, equip costs of equipment you control is 0.

Norn's Annex
3PP
Artifact
(P may be paid for with either W or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or Planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays P for each attacking creature.

2W
Enchantment
You do not lose the game for having 0 or less life.
While you are at 0 or less life, all sources of damage to you gains Infect.

"Psychological Surgery"
1U
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent shuffles his library, you may look at the top 2 cards of your library. You may exile one of them, then put them back on top of your library in any order.

"Spellsplitter"
2
0/4
Artifact Creature
P: Target spell that targets a single creature targets ~ instead.
(P may be paid for with either U or 2 life.)

4
Artifact - Equipment
Living Weapon
Equip PP (P may be paid for with either B or 2 life.)
Equipped creature has +1/+1 for each Swamp you control.

Hex Parasite
1
Artifact Creature - Insect(?)
1/1
XP: Target a permanent. Remove up to X counters from that permanent. ~ gains +1/+0 until end of turn for each counter removed this way.

3G
Instant
This turn, whenever a creature goes to the graveyard from the battlefield, put a 3/3 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield.

3P
Artifact
(P may be paid for with either G or 2 life.)

1P, T, sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature with CMC equal to or less than the sacrificed creature's. Put that creature into play, then shuffle your library. Play this ability only when you can play a Sorcery.

3RR
3/2
Creature - Insect
When ~ enters the battlefield, exile target a land.
Whenever an opponent plays a land with the same name, ~ deals 2 damage to him or her.

R
*/*
Creature - Construct
~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of artifact cards in all graveyards.

Source: the Rumour Mill


Won't you take me to... Jankytown!

[Barook]

But cards like Screamwhip and Phyrexian Canceller I just can't see being printed.
Blightsteel Colossus and Inkmoth Nexus beg to differ. Recycling at its finest.

IIRC, Karn already stopped being a pacifist when the Invasion War began. Plus, he was corrupted by Phyrexian oil.

[GGoober]

Looks a little unbelievable mainly because the mechanics seem clunky and abilities are a little too complicated. WotC R&D has been working towards making cards be less complicated in order to appease the casual crowd.

Karn is nice in EDH obviously, but could be a great out for Meandeck MUD against Null Rod. 7 mana to use two Vindicate is also great in a deck that plays out 7 mana on turn 1-2.

Norn's Annex seems brutal in EDH!!

I would totally play black suicide in Legacy if Phyrexian Cancellor is for real. Although BBBB is a hindrance in the format.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Blightsteel Colossus and Inkmoth Nexus beg to differ. Recycling at its finest.

IIRC, Karn already stopped being a pacifist when the Invasion War began. Plus, he was corrupted by Phyrexian oil.

Darksteel Colossus and Blinkmoth Nexus were popular cards. Nightmare Lash... wasn't. In fact, Rosewater openly complained about its existence. And the new version would offer almost no changes at all to the original printing, and certainly wouldn't fix the color dependency.

Also, this Karn clearly isn't corrupted, so that's not really an argument.

[(nameless one)]

I don't think Planeswalker Karn's ability is destructive. It's exiling the permanent (just like Swords to Plowshares).

If you think of it, he's more like an Ark (like Noah's Ark). Exile a permanent from a hand or the field, only to be brought into a new world (the flavor of having a new game).

Flavorwise, he's essentially creating a new world/environment the way he sees it (with his chosen ones)

[cdr]

You can always, always spot fakes by mistakes in templating or layout. Unfortunately, since the cards are in Japanese, this becomes significantly harder.

The scans posted are clearly scans and I don't see any obvious mistakes, so it's I'd say it's likely they're real. I'm trying to find the tool I had a link to that can analyze photoshopping.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

All translated.



Won't you take me to... Jankytown!



Phyrexian Canceller is strictly better than Phyrexian Negator, if it's as printed, and could be used.

Too bad they reintroduced Forecast, only to make it worse. :(

[dschalter]

Darksteel Colossus and Blinkmoth Nexus were popular cards. Nightmare Lash... wasn't. In fact, Rosewater openly complained about its existence. And the new version would offer almost no changes at all to the original printing, and certainly wouldn't fix the color dependency.

Also, this Karn clearly isn't corrupted, so that's not really an argument.

Well, the second part isn't, but the first is- Karn did give up his pacifism around the time of Invasion.

(on a somewhat related note, the whole Karn being corrupted thing was a horrible retcon from the start)

[Koby]

Well, the second part isn't, but the first is- Karn did give up his pacifism around the time of Invasion.

(on a somewhat related note, the whole Karn being corrupted thing was a horrible retcon from the start)

As if Infect wasn't? This block is just weak sauce in general. It's starting to become apparent that R&D is running out of good ideas. Hence, GDS 1 and 2.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

The colorshifted Conspiracy pretty much locks for me that either these cards are fake, or this set is trash.

[Clark Kant]

The Karn Planeswalker seems awesome.

But I'm excited about this..

"Phyrexian Unlife"
2W
Enchantment
You do not lose the game for having 0 or less life.
While you are at 0 or less life, all sources of damage to you gains Infect.

Does this shut down Tendrils of Agony?!! Life loss is not damage after all.

Even if not, basically, you gain 10 life by spending 3 mana. I know lifegain is typically meh, but this seems strong enough to warrant consideration. I think Ghostly Prison might be better though, except against the burn matchup.

[Clark Kant]

It's not fake. Way too much effort went into these. Just the art alone...


The colorshifted Conspiracy pretty much locks for me that either these cards are fake, or this set is trash.

If anything, this (and the large number of meh cards in the leak) confirms to me the set is real. Why would someone go to the effort of faking a colorshifted Conspiracy?

Edit: The MBC player in me also likes this card...

"Screamwhip"
4
Artifact - Equipment
Living Weapon
Equip PP (P may be paid for with either B or 2 life.)
Equipped creature has +1/+1 for each Swamp you control.


It's a living weapon, so it's a decent beater in it's own right.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I'm pretty sure MaRo has said that Karn has been corrupted, and if you've seen the video for New Phyrexia, it also states that Karn is back, "Savior...Destroyer." Just to reinforce that he is no longer a pacifist.

[(nameless one)]

The Karn Planeswalker seems awesome.

But I'm excited about this..

"Phyrexian Unlife"
2W
Enchantment
You do not lose the game for having 0 or less life.
While you are at 0 or less life, all sources of damage to you gains Infect.

Does this shut down Tendrils of Agony?!! Life loss is not damage after all.

Even if not, basically, you gain 10 life by spending 3 mana. I know lifegain is typically meh, but this seems strong enough to warrant consideration. I think Ghostly Prison might be better though, except against the burn matchup.

But decks that run white already has access from Story Circle to Aegis of Honor against burn. I think its still a wonderful tool that white can use.

It would be awesome if they is a way to get rid of counters from players.

[Sims]

I'm pretty sure MaRo has said that Karn has been corrupted, and if you've seen the video for New Phyrexia, it also states that Karn is back, "Savior...Destroyer." Just to reinforce that he is no longer a pacifist.

And just to reiterate what was said by me and others on Salvation if you pay attention to what both the Phyrexians and the Mirran guy is saying, they allude to the Father of Machines returning... This leads me to believe that there will either be 2 Karns or Karn in the story is going toh ave 1 serious case of Split Personality Disorder as he deals with being Karn on one side and having Yawgmoth in his head thanks to all of the Ichor and whispers of the Praetors.

Personally? Fuck Karn, give me Yawgmoth.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Yawgmoth was the "Father of Machines" back in Urza Block, so perhaps we'll see a Karn Vs Yawgmoth showdown...maybe a dual deck? probably not the latter.

Also, a friend of mine said like two years ago that he wanted a Yawgmoth Planeswalker card. Maybe this will be the set?

[Namida]

As I said on Salvation...

I don't know if it's good, but I want to play Praetor's Grip in a Storm mirror. Possibly even just to fuck with my opponent.

[Clark Kant]

The Phyrexian Negator is

BBBB
5/5
Trample
Whenever a source damages ~, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.

Holy ****, that's awesome.

Urge to play Suicide Black rising!!

Between this, Gatekeeper of Malakir, Vampire Nighthawk, Dark Confidant, Hymn to Tourach, Dark Ritual and Duress, maybe even Go for the Throat or Hypnotic Specter, I'm liking how this deck is looking.

[Shinwei]

They're doing a pretty good job on MTGS translating so far. Notably,

Karn, the Savior - 7
Planeswalker - Karn (M)

+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
-3: Exile target permanent.
-14: "Set aside all non-aura permanents exiled by Karn, The Exiled, then restart the game. Then put all cards set aside *that you do not own* this way onto the battlefield under your control."
6 Loyalty



Apparently they missed the bolded part..

I just went back to read the Japanese text. That "bolded part" does not exist. You put all the cards exiled by Karn onto the battlefield, not just the ones you own.

[Gheizen64]

Phyrexian Eraser look sick, but costing BBBB actually make it pretty balanced, since you can't cast it consistently unless in a mono black deck. It does resolve Negator problems against burn, but simple removal still fuck this guy, and at BBBB he's quite an investment and can be raced easily by most creatures in the format. Seems balanced, but i want to try it.

The White enchantment look a nice alternate version of illusion of mediocrity, probably better. Totally counter life-loss spell if worded this way, GG tendril.

Hex parasite own walkers.

Puresteel paladin could be decent with Stoneforge, but imho he need to much setup to be actually decent. You can't also run more than 7-8 equipment in a deck unless you're running a bad deck, so zzz.

Red cards are all shit, the praetor is cute but just useless.

The 3G card that put into play a 3/3 for each creature sacrificed doesn't have a "nontoken" clausole, could go in some combo.

[Clark Kant]

But decks that run white already has access from Story Circle to Aegis of Honor against burn. I think its still a wonderful tool that white can use.

Yes, but neither card does a thing to Tendrils of Agony. Phyrexian Unlife stops TES outright, drastically hurts Burn, and slows down aggro decks to boot. Seems about as versatile a sideboard option as you can hope for.

[kusumoto]

I don't see these spoilers anywhere? Where is this stuff coming from?

[Squirrel]

I don't see these spoilers anywhere? Where is this stuff coming from?

It's not official spoilered, just RumorMill on mtgsalvation:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=313733

[Barook]

Puresteel paladin could be decent with Stoneforge, but imho he need to much setup to be actually decent. You can't also run more than 7-8 equipment in a deck unless you're running a bad deck, so zzz.
Let's say you run Aether Vial and Revoker alongside it. The equipment itself counts as artifact, too.

Sounds workable with a decently-constructed deck.

[Infinitium]

Yes, but neither card does a thing to Tendrils of Agony. Phyrexian Unlife stops TES outright, drastically hurts Burn, and slows down aggro decks to boot. Seems about as versatile a sideboard option as you can hope for.

It's still worse than the white Leyline however. Karn looks solid to godsend in rampesque decks (albeit the only ones that comes to mind are Wildfire and MUD variations thereof) as it not only solves the removal problems those decks have but also has the telltale good planeswalker traits of a good + ability and being able to protect itself. Having approximately infinite loyalty helps as well.

The Phyrexian is unplayable with that manacost, sadly. There aren't any viable midrange decks to make use of it, and even so it still dies to commonly played removal. The R x/x duder looks at least testable in Affinity as a sideboard card at the least - undercosted conditional fatties depending on the graveyard do have a track record of excellence in legacy.

[GGoober]

What's amazing about Karn is: If you use his +4 immediately, he has 10 loyalties O_O Still too steep in cost to be played in any deck, except Meandeck MUD (hits Null Rod), turn 1-2 Karn is GG for most decks with double Vindicate lock (well worth the 7 mana, and if you can cycle his +4, -3), well that's even better.

What's awesome is you can Exile a card in your own hand with him, so you can exile something like Sundering Titan or Wurmcoil, then use his ult to start with these huge dudes. Your opponents will be exiling sorceries/instants/lands/crap but you can choose the best spells to exile out, this is a plus to his 'duress' ability since it's not necessarily worthless when your opponent has no cards in hand.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Phyrexian Negator Redux absolutely crushes groundstalls. Seems pretty good if it's real. Not like they can swing a Knight into it.

The black aura would be called "Glimmering Ichor" or something close to that, by the by.

[rufus]

Yes, but neither card does a thing to Tendrils of Agony. Phyrexian Unlife stops TES outright, drastically hurts Burn, and slows down aggro decks to boot. Seems about as versatile a sideboard option as you can hope for.

Not to mention it works with cards that run on a 'lose life' clause like: Reanimate,Skeletal Scrying,Spoils of the Vault,Carnival of Souls,Dark Confidant/Dark Tutelage,Devour in Shadow,Imp's Mischief,Night's Whisper,Sign in Blood,Strongarm Tactics,Cruel Bargain/Infernal Contract,Pain's Reward/,Pox/Death Cloud,Doomsday,Ebonblade Reaper,Embalmed Brawler,Hoarder's Greed/Ancient Craving/Ambition's Cost,Graveborn Muse,Minion's Murmurs,Oath of Lim-Dul,Ad Nauseam...

Sure, some of those are innocuous, but many are quite potent.

[Mr.C]

Oooh, Phyrexian Unlife + Sylvan Library in Zoo = Win!

[cdr]

Oooh, Phyrexian Unlife + Sylvan Library in Zoo = Win!

Sylvan Library is a payment, no dice.

[Digital Devil]

Hex Parasite is a really nice card - useful against Jitte/Explosives//Tangle Wire/Planeswalkers. I wonder if it allows to break age counters, too, as it would suddenly make Jotun Grunt a "decent" beater. Unluckily it's too mana intensive to see regular play.



New-white-enchantment-with-a-balanced-effect-at-an-affordable-cost

Having 0 or less life doesn't cause you to lose the game.

Reading the text made me lose the game.

[Barook]

Oooh, Phyrexian Unlife + Sylvan Library in Zoo = Win!
You can't pay with life you don't have.

[Nidd]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.

[Barook]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.
What's the source? There's nothing over there at Salvation and the Sword wasn't among the spoiled Japanese cards.

[Octopusman]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.

Um, is that real? I feel like they're encouraging mono-colors which is more boring in my opinion. If this is real, I can't believe they printed free land destruction on a creature that can't be removed for the most part.

Must have!

Edit: False alarm I think. My photoshop senses are tingling.

[Nidd]

What's the source? There's nothing over there at Salvation and the Sword wasn't among the spoiled Japanese cards.

Um, is that real? I feel like they're encouraging mono-colors which is more boring in my opinion. If this is real, I can't believe they printed free land destruction on a creature that can't be removed for the most part.

Must have!

Edit: False alarm I think. My photoshop senses are tingling.
Got it from this site: *click* (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/)

The editor said that one if the cards is a mockup, but, to be honest, I can really see them print that Sword. Maybe it's also in the spoiler thread over at MTGS, but I honestly can't be arsed to look through 50+ pages - has someone followed the thread since the beginning and can confirm the the sword?

Or could someone check it whether it's shopped or not?

[supachai]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.

Definitely fake. If you read the blog, he says "One of these is a guess a friend of mine made at what it would do. I think I’ll stir the pot a little and have you guess which." Almost 100% sure it's the Sword.

EDIT: Too slow, but I can confirm there's nothing over at Salvation.

[trivial_matters]

The art looks legit to me.

[Barook]

The art looks legit to me.
The art was spoiled a while ago as a wallpaper.

I call fake until we get the real spoiler.

[trivial_matters]

The art was spoiled a while ago as a wallpaper.

I call fake until we get the real spoiler.

Ah, alright. Thanks for clearing that up.
I agree it's better to wait for more evidence before jumping to conclusions.

[cdr]

The Sword is fake. Guy said so.

[Surging Chaos]

That Sword was unrealistic to begin with. Wizards hates LD so much that they won't even bring back Stone Rain, let alone provide a reusable Wasteland every time the equipped creature connects with a player.

[Nidd]

That Sword was unrealistic to begin with. Wizards hates LD so much that they won't even bring back Stone Rain, let alone provide a reusable Wasteland every time the equipped creature connects with a player.
As if Wizards never contradicted themselves.

[dahcmai]

I was seriously worried for a bit. That would be so totally busted it's not funny.

Karn is just confusing. It's strange to have an ability like that. I really want to see an English version to see if it still has that "restart the game" part on it. That's just weird. Not like Wizards to give us cards that make the game go longer. If it's true, I'm buying myself a few foils. I loved Shaharazad.

[Octopusman]

I was seriously worried for a bit. That would be so totally busted it's not funny.

Karn is just confusing. It's strange to have an ability like that. I really want to see an English version to see if it still has that "restart the game" part on it. That's just weird. Not like Wizards to give us cards that make the game go longer. If it's true, I'm buying myself a few foils. I loved Shaharazad.

Though if you start a game with Emrakul in play, for example, the game will likely end pretty quickly. Giving the opponent a draw 7 makes it unplayable. Just my opinion though.

I'm excited about the R/W sword I'm not going to lie. I'm also expecting its triggered abilities to not be very good. Plus, it would be too good to be true to draw some of the attention away from SoFI. Seeing as how I need a couple copies of SoFI it's almost guaranteed to remain the best sword (with a price tag to match). Meh.

As long as it doesn't have an ability that makes it unplayable (body) in this format...

[Darth Nihilus]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.

fake, if u look at the artist name it states MTGsalvation.........


guys the details, dont forgett the details

[ivanpei]

Was excited at Karn for like 10 minutes, then settled down. @ That manacost, MUD already has all is dust, which is an immediate one sided sweeper straight away. If played in MUD on Say Turns 2/3, The recurring exiles are actually pretty game breaking. most likely it will exile 1 threat, drop to 3 loyalty, and get killed by kitties.goyf/folk. I'd prefer all is dust which deals with all the dudes immediately. Having 1/2 copies as late game inevitability is good though. As for the +4, it's crap, Karn as a win condition is overrated. Opponent's will just be pitching lands/spells to the +4. It's not liken Jace's fateseal which is just ridiculous. If you target yourself with the +4, and your opponent draws an out to Karn (Like vindicate/o-ring), you are stuffed. I can see Karn as just recurring removal (similar to Nicol Bolas) which you can use to pump up and keep shooting things down. Once you hit the ultimate with 2/3 Fatties, exiled you can re-start the game if you are not in a good board position (highly unlikely). Since you could keep Karn alive to 14 counters, I doubt you want to restart the game.

[Ubiquitous Druid]

I'm of the opinion that most of this is pretty bogus. I have a hard time believing that a Shahrazad type effect could make its way into the most prominent tournament formats. If it ends up being competitive, the tournament scene is going to be a nightmare and players won't respond well to it. Karn is a very unfun card by the standards Wizards has been applying to the game lately (I would argue that Emrakul is as well but I guess they printed that anyways).

[NecroYawgmoth]

Sword of War and Peace (http://walkingplanes.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/nph-cards-english-edition/sword-of-war-and-peace/)

Getting my Stoneforge Mystics now.

And I'm SO preordering a playset of these bastards.

any 100% SURE confirmation of that? looks clearly like fake Oo

EDIT: Nevermind, Didn't see page 6 =P=P=P

[cdr]

any 100% SURE confirmation of that? Oo

Again, that Sword is fake. Guy says right on the page that it's fake. Guess it's that time of year.

[Barook]

I just realized that the new Negator combines well with Arena. Or, assuming you can somehow manage the mana requirements, slap a Pariah on it.

Time for janky combos!

[(nameless one)]

I just realized that the new Negator combines well with Arena. Or, assuming you can somehow manage the mana requirements, slap a Pariah on it.

Time for janky combos!

Pariah's Shield is so much better since you can run it in mono-black and it's reusable.

[hjalte]

Pariah's Shield is so much better since you can run it in mono-black and it's reusable.

The first use of Pariah's Shield is almost triple the manacost. It is reusable, yes, but crazy expensive.

[Barook]

The first use of Pariah's Shield is almost triple the manacost. It is reusable, yes, but crazy expensive.
Pariah can also be used as pseudo-removal/Fog.

[bruno_tiete]

(...) Nevermind, you'd need to gain as much life as you lost, so you'd be up from zero again.

Phyrexian Unlife does shut Tendrils, but not quite TES, as it will just Grapeshot you for 10 counters after your life drops to zero, or bounce it.

[Nidd]

(...) Nevermind, you'd need to gain as much life as you lost, so you'd be up from zero again.

Phyrexian Unlife does shut Tendrils, but not quite TES, as it will just Grapeshot you for 10 counters after your life drops to zero, or bounce it.

Convalescent Care?

[rufus]

Convalescent Care?

Second Chance?

If Phyrexian Unlife breaks into legacy it will be with stuff like Dark Confidant that's good without it.

[dahcmai]

We can pretty much guarantee the Sword will be something along the lines of Ajani Vengeant Tap ability + Provoke. It's decent, but not backbreaking and goes with the Sword's name flavor wise quite well. Even if it's worse than that, I'll still pick them up because those two protections are some of the best.

[Aggro_zombies]

We can pretty much guarantee the Sword will be something along the lines of Ajani Vengeant Tap ability + Provoke. It's decent, but not backbreaking and goes with the Sword's name flavor wise quite well. Even if it's worse than that, I'll still pick them up because those two protections are some of the best.
"Provoke" as in "target creature must block this creature if able"? Because that doesn't work off of a combat damage trigger. Well, it does, but only if you have a way to take extra combat steps, which would make this Sword have the worst effects of the bunch since the others don't need extra cards to enable their triggers.

[Barook]

Death's Shadow works kinda well with going into negative life.

[dahcmai]

Oops, i didn't mean Provoke, I meant that ability that makes them attack next turn. Whatever that's called. Got them confused.

[Koby]

Instigator?

[Mr.C]

Instigator?

Nettling Imp!

[Dragon_Whelp]

Karn, the Savior

There's a promotional video in which a human voice says "Savior" and a Phyrexian one "Destroyer", both referring to Karn. Are we going to see two of this guy? Maybe he stumbled into a Prototype Portal at some point?

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I think that the reference of Karn as "Savior/Destroyer" might be mistaken identity, and it could possibly refer to "Karn/Yawgmoth". Similar to the Emeria/Emrakul, Cosi/Kozilek, and Ula/Ulamog

[Nessaja]

Savior of Mirrodin, destroyer of Phyrexia? One and the same.. ?

[Nidd]

Savior of Mirrodin, destroyer of Phyrexia? One and the same.. ?
Mistaken for the saviour, destroyer of Mirrodin?

We will have to wait for the full spoiler before we can say anything about what Karn has become.

[Amon Amarth]

On the Karn card he looks like classical Karn not scary Phyrexianized Karn.

[fallenphoenix]

Oh come on.
They've given us some (http://magiccards.info/mbs/de/22.html) hints (http://magiccards.info/mbs/de/88.html), eh?


On the Karn card he looks like classical Karn not scary Phyrexianized Karn.

But I'll give you that.
Also, Karn the Released.
Might be that he's overcome Phyresis. He's a Jedi now.

[dahcmai]

I tell you one thing, I am so getting a playset of that Phyrexian Canceller and Giant Growthing an opponents Wall when they block in Standard though.

He's pretty cool and all, though if you compare him to the other current 5/5 beasties for 4 mana, he only seems a tad better. Though still an improvement. It's funny to see the slow power creep over time if you type it out also.

Juzam Djinn - 2BB 5/5 w drawback
Phyrexian Negator 2B w severe drawback
Phyrexian Scuta 3B 5/5 w drawback
Grinning Demon 2BB 6/6 w drawback
Plague Sliver 2BB 5/5 w slight bonus & drawback
Yukora the Prisoner 2BB 5/5 w drawback
Abyssal Persecutor 2BB 6/6 flying trample w drawback

Now this guy. At least he's the best of the bunch w his drawback only being the casting cost. He's good, but far from the $25 price tag he'll get for a bit. I'll wait for people to figure out that he still isn't as good as a persecutor in standard for beatings.

[RexFTW]

Think how good he is against knight of the reliquary or piledriver though. He is an amazing defensive creature. All of the others are meant as attacking creatures.

[nwong]

The question is do you really want to pay BBBB for just an amazing defensive creature?

[Hopo]

The question is do you really want to pay BBBB for just an amazing defensive creature?

"Just"? It also tramples for 5 so it is quite easy to switch to attack mode when needed.

[Digital Devil]

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf137_art9.jpg

The belt has the emblem of Elesh Norn: could it be a powerful white creature? CoP: Red? Enlightened Tutor?

[TheShaun]

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf137_art9.jpg

The belt has the emblem of Elesh Norn: could it be a powerful white creature? CoP: Red? Enlightened Tutor?

I don't know, but it looks pretty awesome regardless.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

he has a familiar or homunculus or something under his left arm. looks like he has a crystal ball for a head... Yeah, that art is really amazing. I hope he's playable, I'd like to see lots of those in foil.

[Nidd]

he has a familiar or homunculus or something under his left arm. looks like he has a crystal ball for a head... Yeah, that art is really amazing. I hope he's playable, I'd like to see lots of those in foil.
It's a small Phyrexian, designed to carry tomes for the priests.

[(nameless one)]

The belt has the emblem of Elesh Norn: could it be a powerful white creature? CoP: Red? Enlightened Tutor?

Its confusing because it has the white praetor's emblem yet it looks pretty red. But then [cards]Force of Will[cards] looks like a red spell if you only saw the art for it.

Hopefully its a really good white control spell.

White power!

[DownSyndromeKarl]

It's a small Phyrexian, designed to carry tomes for the priests.



he has a familiar or homunculus or something under his left arm.

A homunculus is an artificially created creature designed for a specific task. In D&D they're commonly used by wizards to fetch spell components or scribe books. ...or carry shit.

The dude is definitely low on the caste, but I'm sure his purpose will made clear in the card text, if not the flavor.

[Amon Amarth]

I get the feeling that wizard guy is casting some sort of protection spell. Which seems weird because that's not really what Phyrexians do. It is clearly Phyrexian though.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I get the feeling that wizard guy is casting some sort of protection spell. Which seems weird because that's not really what Phyrexians do. It is clearly Phyrexian though.

Idk though, if you've been following the flavor of these sets; there's a schism in Phyrexia. Norn is leading the new white, highly ordered and indoctrinated Phyrexians. This guy is going to be white, and he's certainly casting a protection spell, and it definitely fits the MO of a Norn prelate.

[Amon Amarth]

Yeah, when Phyrexia "embraces" a color it adds it own weird twist to colors and their philosophies. Pretty disconcerting.

[Barook]

Either Norn and Sulture Priest are a C-U-R three card cycle or white could have a greater "screw them, benefits for us"-theme.

Both have a typical white theme (life gain and +2/+2 to own creatures) while giving the exact opposites to your opponents (life loss and -2/-2) which is in the black part of the color pie.

What are other, typical things of the white color pie that could be twisted? Maybe a white variant of Living Death? Would probably be something like "Return all creatures in your graveyard to play and destroy all creatures your opponents control." and horribly overcosted.

[Nidd]

Either Norn and Sulture Priest are a C-U-R three card cycle or white could have a greater "screw them, benefits for us"-theme.

Both have a typical white theme (life gain and +2/+2 to own creatures) while giving the exact opposites to your opponents (life loss and -2/-2) which is in the black part of the color pie.

What are other, typical things of the white color pie that could be twisted? Maybe a white variant of Living Death? Would probably be something like "Return all creatures in your graveyard to play and destroy all creatures your opponents control." and horribly overcosted.
Well, I suppose Phyrexian White is not only about benefitting your own creatures, but strolls away a lot from the old "White = good guys"-scheme and focuses more on the oppressive nature of White.

Reprint Humility, gogogo!

[(nameless one)]

Reprint Humility, gogogo!

Reprint policy says otherwise. Besides, they just printed [cards]Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Although I would love to see more white control elements.

It'd be cool if they print something:




As ~ enters the battlefield, name a nonland card.

Named cards that aren't on the battlefield and permanents loses all its abilities. If that card is a creature card, its power and toughness become 1.

Imagine that! Now thats oppression!

[I am the brainwasher]

"It'd be cool if they print something:


As ~ enters the battlefield, name a nonland card.

Named cards that aren't on the battlefield and permanents loses all its abilities. If that card is a creature card, its power and toughness become 1.
Imagine that! Now thats oppression! "

- Oh god, I would love to see that printed. I was imagining this since the release of Meddling Mage and later on Pithing Needle. To be honest, I dont think that this will happen, especially in this set, because Phyrexian Revoker did a good job on reprinting cards in an well balanced and good-flavopured way and I would be really surprised if this would happen, even if it would fit nearly perfect in the whole concept and impression of the Phyrexians and the turn white is going to take in this set. Runed Halo was printed also, which lead to the decision not even considering such a card because of too narrow effects.
Really dont see that one but I would be pleased, take this Emrakul/Progenitus!

[Digital Devil]

New Card ---- 3P

Artifact
({P} may be paid for with either :g: or 2 life.)

1P, tap, Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost plus one and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.

Skyshroud Cutter ===> Baneslayer Angel?

[Infinitium]

..Isn't all that compared to Noble Hierarch ====> Progenitus.

[Barook]

Skyshroud Cutter ===> Baneslayer Angel?
Vine Dryad would work as well.

The question is: Isn't there anything better than BA at 5 mana to cheat into play?

[nedleeds]

Uh some of the 5 color dudes are better ... arguably. Horde of Notions. The whole thing is pretty much worse than Eureka or Natty O ... or probably Call of the Wild for that matter.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Kodama of the North Tree.

[nedleeds]

So.

Swamp -> Hex Pest Guy.

Untap. Dark Depths. Make Hex Pest Guy 11/1. Make Marit Lage. Attack for 11. Pass.

[Litorers]

So.

Swamp -> Hex Pest Guy.

Untap. Dark Depths. Make Hex Pest Guy 11/1. Make Marit Lage. Attack for 11. Pass.

Add some vampire hexmages and 4 crop rotations with a disruption package and you've got a deck.....
A janky deck, but still...

[Barook]

So.

Swamp -> Hex Pest Guy.

Untap. Dark Depths. Make Hex Pest Guy 11/1. Make Marit Lage. Attack for 11. Pass.
That doesn't work. You still have to pay x mana to remove x counters.

[Litorers]

Oh yeah....
well at least him + Death's shadow might make a dent in standard comboing out...

[nedleeds]

That doesn't work. You still have to pay x mana to remove x counters.

OK. I thought you could pay life or B.

[Angelfire]

OK. I thought you could pay life or B.

Reading cards is tech. Losing 18-20 life would also make it unplayable (if it worked how you wanted).

[nedleeds]

Reading cards is tech. Losing 18-20 life would also make it unplayable (if it worked how you wanted).

Wow you are an internet god. Reading poorly worded spoilers with unknown mechanics with random letters like ... P is tech.

[Barook]

Hex Parasite :1:
Artifact Creature - Insect
X{PB}: Target a permanent. Remove up to X counters from that permanent. ~ gains +1/+0 until end of turn for each counter removed this way.
({PB} may be paid for with either :b: or 2 life.)
1/1

Technically, you could pay tons of life (and 0 mana every time) if you want to reduce your life for whatever shenanigans you plan, e.g. with Death's Shadow or Convalescent Care.

[nedleeds]

OK. So it'd have to be off a Dark Ritual.

Swamp -> Dark Ritual -> Death's Shadow -> Hex Man -> Duress / Thoughtseize / IoK something to rip STP

Dark Depths -> Rip 9 counters -> Go to 2 -> Hex Man is 9/1 DS is 11/11 -> Swing for 20.

Seems improbable.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

OK. So it'd have to be off a Dark Ritual.

Swamp -> Dark Ritual -> Death's Shadow -> Hex Man -> Duress / Thoughtseize / IoK something to rip STP

Dark Depths -> Rip 9 counters -> Go to 2 -> Hex Man is 9/1 DS is 11/11 -> Swing for 20.

Seems improbable.

Not only that, I don't see how you're removing counters from Depths or adding to Hex Parasite's, since you're removing x=0 each time.

EDIT: That's because I'm reading X{PB} as (X + P or B). That's right, isn't it? Otherwise it would just be (P/B), no?

[nedleeds]

z = f(x,y) = x2 + xy + y2

[makochman]

z = f(x,y) = x2 + xy + y2

dz = (2x+y) dx + (2y+x) dy

[(nameless one)]

So, we get a new free Extirpate that any color can play:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/686_t16cpk10ah.jpg

Legacy playable or not?

[rufus]

So, we get a new free Extirpate that any color can play:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/686_t16cpk10ah.jpg

Legacy playable or not?

Looks pretty strong. "Choose a target" means that you don't have to pick 'till resolution, right?

[TsumiBand]

So, we get a new free Extirpate that any color can play:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/686_t16cpk10ah.jpg

Legacy playable or not?

They should have left room for a Ray Bradbury flavor text at the bottom. :(

[conboy31]

I have been thinking about it some. The free to cast for 2 life is obviously a huge benefit. The lack of split second is offset by being able to have action on the draw. It seems to be another tool for the anti yard package. Quite an impressive list after the newest sets.

Leyline of the void, planar void, t-crypt, relic of progenitus, nihil spellbomb, extirpate, surgical extraction, ravenous trap, etc.

[cdr]

Looks pretty strong. "Choose a target" means that you don't have to pick 'till resolution, right?

The opposite. You choose targets when you announce.

[hyc8028]

Any color can play this and it is essentially free. I know I am getting a set. Hopefully they wouldn't be too expensive.

[conboy31]

I wonder if additional hate printings like this will eventually allow survival to wander back to legacy. Though that is an entirely different thread. I will be looking for a few of these in foil for vintage. What is the casting cost? 0 or 1. I have not read the rules for whatever that symbol means besides x of one specific mana or 2 life.

[hyc8028]

My feeling it is CMC 1, but I am not confident.

[GGoober]

I wonder if additional hate printings like this will eventually allow survival to wander back to legacy. Though that is an entirely different thread. I will be looking for a few of these in foil for vintage. What is the casting cost? 0 or 1. I have not read the rules for whatever that symbol means besides x of one specific mana or 2 life.

If you're hating on Vengevines, then still won't work unless you know how to play around basking Rootwallas :P (you have to make sure when VV triggers are on the stack then use this) But overall yes, this would have been a great SB card (better than Extirpate against Vengevines since its free and any deck can play it).

[Mattie]

My feeling it is CMC 1, but I am not confident.

Correct.



* To calculate the converted mana cost of a card with Phyrexian mana symbols in its cost, count each Phyrexian mana symbol as 1.


Source:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/686

[Barook]

Assuming your opponent starts out with a dual land:

T1: Wasteland, this, exile all copies of said dual.

Could even hit copies in their hand if you're lucky. Other than that, you still made their fetchlands significantly worse, especially if they're light on good, fetchable alternatives.

And this combo is playable in all colors.

[workingdude]

Vs Extirpate:

In the Legacy metagame, I believe Extirpate is the better choice. The obvious difference is splitsecond vs free/colorless. In most cases, the life is not really a consideration due to its effectiveness mainly against control and combo decks. If you need the hate in another color than clearly extraction is better.

However, in black decks, extirpate is the better choice. Lets look at the reasons why you'd use this effect in a deck. In the following analysis, I use the term "effectiveness" to describe the ability for extirpate/extraction to have a legitimate, game-changing effect.

Against combo, stripping decks of their high tide and painter's servants and other combo pieces are great effects. However, these cards have to hit the yard first. This means that the "free" cost plays little to no role in the early game, which is the time when mana counts the most. The cards must hit the grave before this comes into play. Turn one thoughtseize, extraction is a solid play against high tide. This assumes however, that there is no force in the opponents hand. The relevant combo decks that this effect is good against, often has counterspell/force backup. Furthermore, assuming that the thoughtseize hits turn one, there is no loss in effectiveness if you go turn one thoughtseize, turn 2 extirpate. Extirpate is a stronger play against slower, more resilient combos. Against fast combos, these cards often have very little use.

Against control decks, this effect is used to remove combo finishers (thopter foundry) or one of the few win conditions that a deck may run. For example, decks like this (http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=813906). This means that split second is essential to get past countertop/counter backup to remove a win condition. After the few win conditions have been dealt with, their decks can do nothing but deck themselves (which is due to their cantrips).

Against general aggro decks, this effect is very limited in effectiveness.

Against dredge, extraction is clearly better as it allows you to work a turn faster. However, it is debatable whether or not extraction is better against dredge than other, more general, graveyard hate.

Also, whats up with the design of this set? There are so many cards that are just old cards with the set mechanics attached to them. (Blightsteel, inkmoth, extraction)



Assuming your opponent starts out with a dual land:

T1: Wasteland, this, exile all copies of said dual.

Could even hit copies in their hand if you're lucky. Other than that, you still made their fetchlands significantly worse, especially if they're light on good, fetchable alternatives.

And this combo is playable in all colors.

This play was not good when extirpate was available, and I doubt it will be now. The situation you are describing sounds like you are playing this card in the mainboard, which I'm fairly confident this will not see play in. If this is coming in from the sideboard, I sincerely hope that it is not for this land destruction purpose, but for destroying combos.

Also, once again, there is little loss in "effectiveness" with extirpate, even in this fringe scenario. A majority of players will tend to hold back on their dual lands after a quick wasteland. Even though this is not usually the optimal play, and many pros know that the answer to opposing wastelands is to play MORE duals, these opponents are often scared into dropping basics instead of duals for a couple turns. If all the opponent has in his hand is one more land, and its a dual land, you are in good shape anyways.

[Aggro_zombies]

workingdude's analysis is essentially correct. The difference in mana is virtually insignificant when weighed against the loss of split second in all but the most corner-casey scenarios, and Extirpate as a card is already quite weak.

In most cases Extirpate should be better because the mana difference is only usually relevant if you're valuing speed. The fastest combo decks don't get hurt by cards like this: you might get a Belcher player if you're on the draw, he goes off on his turn one, and needs multiple copies of one ritual to play and activate Charbelcher. This is fantastically narrow; discard is often better in this matchup since Belcher usually needs its full hand to win, and anyway Belcher is not the kind of combo deck you need to worry about facing right now.

The problem with effects like this is people tend to classify them as disruption when they aren't, really. The card is basically a do-nothing that people play because "you can take all their win conditions and then they can't win!", which is a pretty terrible reason.

[Octopusman]

They should have left room for a Ray Bradbury flavor text at the bottom. :(

Wow - Haven't thought about that in years! Good stuff!


I think this card is quite strong despite everything that has been said. I'm liking that it can be plated in a UW control deck with no B :)

[Barook]

Assuming you could get Metalcraft somehow to work: What could Puresteel Paladin + Sunforger do?

I think there might be some actual goodies in Legacy to fetch, StP and burn aside.

Looks at least like a more reliable way to generate constant CA with the Paladin.

[rufus]

Assuming you could get Metalcraft somehow to work: What could Puresteel Paladin + Sunforger do?

I think there might be some actual goodies in Legacy to fetch, StP and burn aside.

Looks at least like a more reliable way to generate constant CA with the Paladin.

Seething Song nets 3 mana. If you can find an extra :w: or you can loop it with Manamorphose to draw cards combined with the Sunforger that's already enough to burn out, but you can also use Enlightenend Tutors (with the draw off of Manamorphose) to pull artifact-based combos like Painter/Grindstone.

All that stuff is pretty lean - though you might want to throw in Final Fortune to speed things up a little, some other toolbox cards like Angel's Grace,Abeyance and Eladamri's Call so you can fetch the Paladin with the Sunforger.

[Arsenal]

Song nets 2 mana (3 in, 5 out).

[rufus]

Song nets 2 mana (3 in, 5 out).

Not if you're playing it off Sunforger

[Arsenal]

Ah, didn't connect the dots. Sunforger. Didn't even know that card existed. What a strange White/Red "ability".

[edgarps22]

Basically that combo requires something to do with a mass amount of mana, and storm count, that it can easily set up, the trick is winning through disruption. Neat idea though, off to the brewing table to see what can be done with a finite amount of red mana all at instant speed.

[Barook]

Seething Song nets 3 mana. If you can find an extra :w: or you can loop it with Manamorphose to draw cards combined with the Sunforger that's already enough to burn out, but you can also use Enlightenend Tutors (with the draw off of Manamorphose) to pull artifact-based combos like Painter/Grindstone.
Sounds rather complicated. Aren't there just more elegant ways to execute a combo with it? Plus, the draw of Manamorphose can't draw you the card from E-Tutor due to shuffling, unless I'm missing something.

But nice find with the Song/Manamorphose interaction.

Edit: I just wish there was a better recycling option in the colors than Wheel of Sun and Moon.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Fetching Boil seems brutal!

[I am the brainwasher]

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf137_art9.jpg

The belt has the emblem of Elesh Norn: could it be a powerful white creature? CoP: Red? Enlightened Tutor?


Isnt anyone else reminded of Master of Etherium here? The child in the right arm and a robe totally reminds of him.
Maybe Master of the Forge? Could fit into Kuldotha-Theme IMO.

[rufus]

Neat idea though, off to the brewing table to see what can be done with a finite amount of red mana all at instant speed.
Equiping is at sorcery speed, so you can't quite go that fast.


Sounds rather complicated. Aren't there just more elegant ways to execute a combo with it? Plus, the draw of Manamorphose can't draw you the card from E-Tutor due to shuffling, unless I'm missing something.

Like using Final Fortune and Angel's Grace to swing for the win?

Actually, going through the steps carefullly, you can't easily get enough white mana to cast Enlightened Tutor and keep going with Manamorphose at the same time.

Besides the wheel, you've also got Rings of Brighthearth, Pyromancer Ascension, Bosium Strip and Djinn Illuminatus as possibities. Gaea's Blessing isn't in color, but it might be usable if you find a way to dump it into the GY.

[Barook]

Like using Final Fortune and Angel's Grace to swing for the win?

Besides the wheel, you've also got Rings of Brighthearth, Pyromancer Ascension, Bosium Strip and Djinn Illuminatus as possibities. Gaea's Blessing isn't in color, but it might be usable if you find a way to dump it into the GY.
FF and AG require you to have the board position to win, though.

Wheel is still the cheapest option which would also allow you to go infinite, eventually drawing your deck with Manamorphose and nuking your opponent with an uncounterable Banefire. Requires way too much setup, though.

[Nidd]

Isnt anyone else reminded of Master of Etherium here? The child in the right arm and a robe totally reminds of him.
Maybe Master of the Forge? Could fit into Kuldotha-Theme IMO.
Certainly not. The white "metal" depicts him as a white-aligned Phyrexian. I'd say he's either a cleric or a paladin of some sorts.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Certainly not. The white "metal" depicts him as a white-aligned Phyrexian. I'd say he's either a cleric or a paladin of some sorts.

Definitely of the Inquisitor sort. He looks like he's passing judgement, or as said, casting a protection spell...maybe both.

[rufus]

FF and AG require you to have the board position to win, though.

Wheel is still the cheapest option which would also allow you to go infinite, eventually drawing your deck with Manamorphose and nuking your opponent with an uncounterable Banefire. Requires way too much setup, though.

I find myself thinking that Elixir of Immortality might be cheaper since there's a premium on :w: while going off. Metalcraft + Pristine Paladin + Sunforger + :r::wr::w: is not really competitive, cc-wise with Painter/Servant, so I'm not sure it's got real potential as a combo deck.

[edgarps22]

The sunforger idea is possible, with Naya Charm, Gaea's blessing, and Manamorphose, you can grab what you want to win, trick is making it consistent, but at the very least it looks fun. Might not be competitive, but sure is silly. Also you only need to have Gaea's in hand, or in yard, when you go off. So it is a 3 card combo in that respect.

[Barook]

Might not be competitive, but sure is silly.
It's probably to complicated, clunky and resource-intensive to be any good.

I like the aggro-controlish approach best, burying your opponent under card advantage. Being red and running Stoneforge Mystic also allows you to run the Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar combo as another CA engine.

I think Manamorphose is still a great find, though. Fuels Lavamancer, helps with the double white requirement of Paladin and gives up to four free draws when the Paladin/Sunforger combo is online.

supachai's approach (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?20507-WW-equipment-New-Phyrexia) is going into the direction I'm thinking about.

[Barook]

Pre Release Card:
Sheoldred, Whispering One :5::b::b:
Legendardy Creature - Praetor (?)
Swampwalk
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature.
6/6

[perm]

It's probably to complicated, clunky and resource-intensive to be any good.

I like the aggro-controlish approach best, burying your opponent under card advantage. Being red and running Stoneforge Mystic also allows you to run the Grim Lavamancer + Basilisk Collar combo as another CA engine.

I think Manamorphose is still a great find, though. Fuels Lavamancer, helps with the double white requirement of Paladin and gives up to four free draws when the Paladin/Sunforger combo is online.

supachai's approach (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?20507-WW-equipment-New-Phyrexia) is going into the direction I'm thinking about.

I think the thinking "oh it's a complicated combo that doesn't win the game" thinking is fallacious in this situation. This could easily slip into an aggroish equips deck with some extra cards for awesome combo effect that provides unparalleled CA. It shouldnt be thought of as a combo but rather a very good card interaction.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

I think the thinking "oh it's a complicated combo that doesn't win the game" thinking is fallacious in this situation. This could easily slip into an aggroish equips deck with some extra cards for awesome combo effect that provides unparalleled CA. It shouldnt be thought of as a combo but rather a very good card interaction.

I think the main problem is, with every card that goes well with sunforger (instants), you weaken your Mirran Paladins metalcraft (artifacts).

[perm]

Sure, but the sort of instant density that is desirable before paladin (white = STP) is not that much less than as much as would be ideal with sunforger. It doesn't need to be instant.dec for it to work, you'll end wanting to use it a few times a game. Plus the density required to get metalcraft consistently really isn't that much, and 10 instants won't give you many problems crowding out the equips youd want anyway.

[Zork]

Especially if one of your instants could really be an artifact - Enlightened Tutor - or one of your combo tutors/beatsticks was also basically an artifact - Stoneforge Mystic.

[perm]

I just read the card and pulling out a Rewind and untapping was my fantasy before that. Oh well, I guess theres.... double negative and absorb :|

[Barook]

Skyshroud Elf could be used to filter the mana generated by red accelerants.

I think we need an own thread for discussing the Sunforger combo. The other one is partly WW-focused and the spoilers thread isn't exactly fit for it, either.

Edit: I just read about combining Puresteel Paladin with Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek to add a draw to each activation. Might be a gimmick, might be worth it.

[TheDarkshineKnight]

So, I haven't really seen anyone talk about Scrapmetal Fiend which surprises the hell out of me since he can get huge very, very quickly if you build your deck properly and he has an absolutely mind-blowing mana cost of R. You know what else is red, undercosted, and likes artifacts in the GY? Some guy by the name of Goblin Welder.

Does anyone else feel some Aggro Welder coming on?

[GGoober]

What are the discard outlets for Scrapmetal Fiend? How would you make him huge fast in an artifact deck? How would that speed compare with Dredge's ability to grow the yard?

I'm not trolling, just asking how would you go about supporting Fiend, who's simply a vanilla beater, in an artifact deck that has limited ways to fuel the yard fast? I would imagine it's tough, and he's probably not going to grow fast enough to compete with other bigger creatures that cost cheaper (e.g. Goyf, Nacatl).

[Goaswerfraiejen]

What are the discard outlets for Scrapmetal Fiend? How would you make him huge fast in an artifact deck? How would that speed compare with Dredge's ability to grow the yard?

I'm not trolling, just asking how would you go about supporting Fiend, who's simply a vanilla beater, in an artifact deck that has limited ways to fuel the yard fast? I would imagine it's tough, and he's probably not going to grow fast enough to compete with other bigger creatures that cost cheaper (e.g. Goyf, Nacatl).

Atog is probably the best bet.

[GGoober]

Ravager would work as well I guess. In some ways, Ravager/Atog has huge disynergy with Master of Etherium, which goes in and out of Affinity lists. Maybe this guy could be a replacement for Affinity lists without the Masters. No idea though, could be explosive/busted.

[Final Fortune]

So, I haven't really seen anyone talk about Scrapmetal Fiend which surprises the hell out of me since he can get huge very, very quickly if you build your deck properly and he has an absolutely mind-blowing mana cost of R. You know what else is red, undercosted, and likes artifacts in the GY? Some guy by the name of Goblin Welder.

Does anyone else feel some Aggro Welder coming on?

It's probably shit, the effect is worse than Disciple of the Vault and it can't bang the drum without an artifact in the graveyard.

[Grollub]

What are the discard outlets for Scrapmetal Fiend? How would you make him huge fast in an artifact deck? How would that speed compare with Dredge's ability to grow the yard?

I'm not trolling, just asking how would you go about supporting Fiend, who's simply a vanilla beater, in an artifact deck that has limited ways to fuel the yard fast? I would imagine it's tough, and he's probably not going to grow fast enough to compete with other bigger creatures that cost cheaper (e.g. Goyf, Nacatl).
I wouldn't bother with trying to fill the yard fast on my own, just put him in an affinity list. If they don't answer your artifact vomit they die to that, if they do you slam down a super Tarmogoyf of R - sounds pretty legit.

[GGoober]

Pre Release Card:
Sheoldred, Whispering One :5::b::b:
Legendardy Creature - Praetor (?)
Swampwalk
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature.
6/6

Also, not going to this Pre-release.

What the hell is a EDH card doing in a pre-release? lol

[TsumiBand]

I don't think R-magoyf guy wants to be in a traditional Affinity deck. It's not going to look good if you're winning, Disciple is horrible if you're trying to slow-roll someone so it's not like Ravager + Disciple + Scrapmetal Fiend is some kind of earth shattering combo; in my experience Disciple just speeds the kill by letting you blow yourself out and honestly probably shouldn't even be in modern Affinity lists, at least not in the mainboard. But that's for another thread. Anyway, it doesn't play nice with Scrapmetal Fiend. And its sort of a non-bo with Cranial Plating - to a lesser extent Master of Etherium hates it too, if you're into that sort of thing anyway. :/

If there's a way to play it, it's with decks that actually do stuff when you sac artifacts - I dunno, Engineered Explosives, Chromatic Spheres, Spellbombs and stuff. Thirst for Knowledge would feed SMF without making you want to overextend and then eat everything with a Ravager. You wouldn't even have to play stupid Affinity's Wasteland-o-riffic manabase. This would actually be kind of cool, since Goyf wants a billion different spell types and SMF just wants one in droves - your deck's effort to fill the yard with artifacts doesn't necessarily do anything but give an opponent's Goyf anything more than +1. Maybe, just maybe, there's some shitty shitty artifact-based CounterBurn deck that's just been waiting for Scrapmetal Fiend to jizz all over target opponent. Maybe. Live the dream.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

They usually give out casual Timmy cards at prereleases. Glory, Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Feral Throwback, Overbeing of Myth, Gleancrawler, Rampaging Baloths, Dragon Broodmother, etc...

Even the ones that have seen play recently (Emrakul, Wurmcoil Engine, Ajani Vengeant) have still been pretty Timmy-ish cards. Well, okay, except Ajani. Actually, Glory and Ink-Eyes saw play too. And Gleancrawler was played at a Pro-Tour once! (by me)

In fairness though, for a seven mana creature, that guy is absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't be too shocked if it saw Standard play; people played Debtors' Knell after all, and that was a much faster format than current Standard.

[Roman Candle]

Spawning Shell 3(G/P)
Artifact

1(G/P), T, Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost plus 1 and put it onto the battlefield. The shuffle your library. Activate this ability only any time you could play a sorcery.

This card actually seems really interesting in the Loyal Retainers/Saffi Eriksdotter deck. It can turn excess Essence/Soul Wardens into Saffis and then sacrifice Saffi to grab Loyal Retainers and combo out. Its probably not that great, but its interesting nonetheless.

[Justin]

Pre Release Card:
Sheoldred, Whispering One :5::b::b:
Legendardy Creature - Praetor (?)
Swampwalk
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature.
6/6

It could possibly be used as a one-of in the Reanimator sideboard. You can fetch it with Entomb to protect against the mirror, or decks that run Natural Order or Show and Tell. It's a way to get a Emrakul, Progenitus, etc. off the battlefield. Beyond that, it won't see play in Legacy.

[Grollub]

I don't think R-magoyf guy wants to be in a traditional Affinity deck. It's not going to look good if you're winning, Disciple is horrible if you're trying to slow-roll someone so it's not like Ravager + Disciple + Scrapmetal Fiend is some kind of earth shattering combo; in my experience Disciple just speeds the kill by letting you blow yourself out and honestly probably shouldn't even be in modern Affinity lists, at least not in the mainboard. But that's for another thread. Anyway, it doesn't play nice with Scrapmetal Fiend. And its sort of a non-bo with Cranial Plating - to a lesser extent Master of Etherium hates it too, if you're into that sort of thing anyway. :/

If there's a way to play it, it's with decks that actually do stuff when you sac artifacts - I dunno, Engineered Explosives, Chromatic Spheres, Spellbombs and stuff. Thirst for Knowledge would feed SMF without making you want to overextend and then eat everything with a Ravager. You wouldn't even have to play stupid Affinity's Wasteland-o-riffic manabase. This would actually be kind of cool, since Goyf wants a billion different spell types and SMF just wants one in droves - your deck's effort to fill the yard with artifacts doesn't necessarily do anything but give an opponent's Goyf anything more than +1. Maybe, just maybe, there's some shitty shitty artifact-based CounterBurn deck that's just been waiting for Scrapmetal Fiend to jizz all over target opponent. Maybe. Live the dream.
But if you're winning aren't you alright with drawing a so-so beater that becomes rawr-rawr if they somehow manage to get out of your clutches? But in hindsight I agree, it probably wont be all that great in traditional affinity. Wouldn't be suprised if he's either 100% junk or on the other hand singlehandedly makes a new deck viable, low mana 'goyfs have proven to do that already.

Personally I don't think the right strategy with him is to try abusing him but rather synergize (if that makes sense): basically let artifacts fill your graveyard naturally - be it for Welder trickery or just being a plain old heavy artifact deck, it's afterall "just" a vanilla beater that can turn colossal.

[rufus]

Spawning Shell 3(G/P)
Artifact

1(G/P), Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost plus 1 and put it onto the battlefield. The shuffle your library. Activate this ability only any time you could play a sorcery.

This card actually seems really interesting in the Loyal Retainers/Saffi Eriksdotter deck. It can turn excess Essence/Soul Wardens into Saffis and then sacrifice Saffi to grab Loyal Retainers and combo out. Its probably not that great, but its interesting nonetheless.

Why bother whith that when you can chain:
Myr Moonvessel->Cloud of Faeries/Wall of Roots->Cathodion->Su-Chi->Reveillark->Morselhoarder...

[rufus]

Personally I don't think the right strategy with him is to try abusing him but rather synergize (if that makes sense): basically let artifacts fill your graveyard naturally - be it for Welder trickery or just being a plain old heavy artifact deck, it's afterall "just" a vanilla beater that can turn colossal.

Maybe he wants to share a deck with Salvage Slasher and Disciple of the Vault. The obvious idea would be to try with baubles, eggs, and Helm of Awakening. Etherium Sculptor is off-color though.

[Roman Candle]

Why bother whith that when you can chain:
Myr Moonvessel->Cloud of Faeries/Wall of Roots->Cathodion->Su-Chi->Reveillark->Morselhoarder...

Because it taps to activate. Which I forgot when I posted the card text. My bad.

[Barook]

Why bother whith that when you can chain:
Myr Moonvessel->Cloud of Faeries/Wall of Roots->Cathodion->Su-Chi->Reveillark->Morselhoarder...

Tapping is also part of the activation cost, so that seems impracticable.

[dahcmai]

I actually tossed Survival out of the Saffi deck after a bit since it typically just wasn't needed unless you hit a control deck and even then, control is pretty easy. I'll probably give that a shot since it does hit ones in play, but that whole sorcery clause probably kills it. It's a lot of mana and the deck is already filled with 3 drops with Retainers and the morphs.



Anyway, I kind of like the idea of playing Eggs with that red guy. That might give the combo version an aggro aspect it could use against control. If anyone remembers that odd combo eggs deck with sunrise and such.

[Amon Amarth]

I was thinking of some sorta R/B Affinity list with the new guy and Shrapnel Blast, Atog, and maybe baubles or other good artifacts that sac themselves. Could be interesting.

[Malchar]

You could create a Spawning Shell combo using Dross Scorpion. It seems reasonable since Spawning Shell can kind-of tutor up the scorpion from a creature or series of creatures with lower converted mana cost. This makes it a little more robust than other two-card combos. Since it's all colorless, it seems reasonable to be able to play the shell on turn two using mana acceleration. Turn three, you can play the scorpion, or you can play any cmc 3 creature and spawn it into the scorpion. On turn four, you can probably win outright with some kind of combo using Cathodion and friends or perhaps something to do with Disciple of the Vault. Basically, you end up with "1 {G/P}, Sacrifice an artifact creature: Search for a creature with larger cmc and put it onto the battlefield."

[rufus]

Tapping is also part of the activation cost, so that seems impracticable.
There are still chaining possibilities, but they're not as easy, and there's a lack of good CMC 6 creature sack outlets

Esper Sojourners->Dross Scorpion->Body Double(Dross Scorpion)->Reveillark->...

[dahcmai]

One of the best Ideas I could come up with for Spawning Shell would be saccing a Scornful Egotist. That gives you an instant Iona or Inkwell. That's fairly decent, though the mana works out kind of crappily if you think about it. Play S Shell, Play Morph, turn up morph and activate Shell. It's about 4th turn at best unless you're adding in junk like Chrome Moxes, Petals, or Birds. Not really all that fast, but cool nonetheless. On top of that, you're playing with crappy cards like Scornful Egotist. Bleh.

[rufus]

One of the best Ideas I could come up with for Spawning Shell would be saccing a Scornful Egotist. ....

What about playing it in affinity. Frogmite->Magus of the Future/Mulldrifter/Sen Triplets, Myr Enforcer->Tidespout Tyrant/Sundering Titan/Ulamog's Crusher.

[Barook]

What about playing it in affinity. Frogmite->Magus of the Future/Mulldrifter/Sen Triplets, Myr Enforcer->Tidespout Tyrant/Sundering Titan/Ulamog's Crusher.
Myr Enforcer --> Woodfall Primus --> Iona, Shield of Emeria

Salvage Titan could also tutor into Enforcer, but that's kinda resource-intensive. Still interesting with an artifact-heavy deck, especially when running Voltaic Key to power a Grim Monolith because Key can squeeze more activations out of the Shell.

A bunch of new cards was spoiled as well, but it's pretty much all jank. The only cards with even slight potential are:

Dispatch :w:
Instant
Tap target creature.
Metalcraft - If you control three or more artifacts, exile that creature.

A StP without drawback for Affinity.

Mutagenic Growth http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/manapg.gif
Instant
Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.

Another free pump spell.

[Tacosnape]

Love them both. Dispatch is beautiful now that Legacy's rapidly becoming the new Vintage as far as artifact prevalency. Mutagenic Growth isn't amazing, but it's decent and very tricksy, so naturally I want to play it in everything from Merfolk to our team's Slippery Bogle deck.

[Gui]

Love them both. Dispatch is beautiful now that Legacy's rapidly becoming the new Vintage as far as artifact prevalency. Mutagenic Growth isn't amazing, but it's decent and very tricksy, so naturally I want to play it in everything from Merfolk to our team's Slippery Bogle deck.

Your team has a Bogle.dec? o0
It looks slow for these, tho. 0cc, sure, but +2/+2 seems such a small benefit...

[Malchar]

If you pay 2 life instead of G for Mutagenic Growth, then you're giving a guy +2/+2 at the cost of 2 life and a card. If you connect for damage, it's just an even trade except you're losing a card. The only situation where it makes sense to pay life is if you're way ahead, or if you're using it as a combat trick to kill their creature.

[blaat]

If you pay 2 life instead of G for Mutagenic Growth, then you're giving a guy +2/+2 at the cost of 2 life and a card. If you connect for damage, it's just an even trade except you're losing a card. The only situation where it makes sense to pay life is if you're way ahead, or if you're using it as a combat trick to kill their creature.

Unless you play berserk stompy/infect decks.
I guess this one can see play over Rouse which never really made the cut because of the swamp requirement.

[Benjammn]

Dispatch seems very good. Not sure if Affinity wants/needs it, but if Opal can work in Legacy I think this card could work too.

It also is at least somewhat relevant when you don't have metalcraft. Just be sure to cast precombat in case you are afraid of losing it....

[(nameless one)]

So you can use Mutagenic Growth to win Goyfwars, if those still exist.

[Infinitium]

Also it's a free way to burnproof one of your creatures, which can be a useful sideboard tool for tribal decks. Dispatch looks good albeit homeless - it isn't -that- much better than PtE in Affinity, and no one would run that since it interferes with both the artifact count and the clock. I suppose there is some support for a White/X Metalcraft/Equipment deck what with the last few sets but that is a pretty long shot by and by.

[Barook]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117417&d=1303185738

Seems interesting. Worst-case scenario would be copying Goyfs/Knights.

[Shawon]

It's a Clone and Sculpting Steel in one card that costs 3 mana at the least. Clearly neither of the two cards see play in Legacy, so I doubt the versatility of having both cards in one would make it that much more playable than either Clone or Sculpting Steel.

[Barook]

It's a Clone and Sculpting Steel in one card that costs 3 mana at the least. Clearly neither of the two cards see play in Legacy, so I doubt the versatility of having both cards in one would make it that much more playable than either Clone or Sculpting Steel.
Main selling point would probably be a Clone for :3: that can be played by all colors. Doubling as SS is cute, but hardly useful.

It's also an answer to all kinds of legends, including Emrakul and Progenitus.

[Infinitium]

Playable in Steel Stompy. The deck aches for relevant 3cc creatures, and this is probably as close to MoE #5-8 as it'll get in the foreseeable future. As Barook noted actually being an out to Emrakul/Progenitus (and to a lesser extent Jitte) is also huge.

[Final Fortune]

That's more than playable, a 3cc clone that wins Umezawa's Jitte wars fits right into Faerie Stompy - can that copy Phyrexian Dreadnought without triggering its CIP?

[Tacosnape]

1. Goyf Wars don't exist anymore. In a year, neither will Tarmogoyf. So Mutagenic Growth isn't worth much here.

2. I think Affinity will board 4 Dispatch.

3. Phyrexian Metamorph is AMAZING. It's a colorless Emrakul/Progenitus remover! It kills Jitte! It copies Forgemasters and Lodestone Golems! It makes me want to go hug small children, and not in the 15 to life get shanked in prison kind of way. It's seriously nuts awesome.

[rufus]

That's more than playable, a 3cc clone that wins Umezawa's Jitte wars fits right into Faerie Stompy - can that copy Phyrexian Dreadnought without triggering its CIP?

"Enters the battlefield as" suggests that it would copy the CiP trigger as well.

[perm]

In a year, neither will Tarmogoyf.


ahaha what

[plus_ten]

ahaha what

He means, stock up on Burning wishes, LEDs and Underground Seas!

On topic, I am not seeing anything remotely playable. Conditional cards are conditional! There are a lot of kitchen-table material though.

[GGoober]

Playable in Steel Stompy. The deck aches for relevant 3cc creatures, and this is probably as close to MoE #5-8 as it'll get in the foreseeable future. As Barook noted actually being an out to Emrakul/Progenitus (and to a lesser extent Jitte) is also huge.

Are you freaking kidding me?!?!!

I was just musing in my mind a week ago if New Phyrexia gave me a good out to Emrakul playable in Steel Stompy, I would dance a happy dance.

*happy dancing*

Before Mirrodin Besieged, I also mused about a 2cmc creature with a disruptive ability and they gave me Phyrexian Revoker.

Things are looking good, this card is definitely good in Steel Stompy without a doubt:
1) At worst: 3-colorless (can still be played at 3U with Steel Stompy's manabase) creature that copies Master of Etherium/Lodestone Golem/Etched Champion/Steel Overseer
2) At best: copying a KotR/Emrakul/PROGENITUS/whatever they're playing!!
3) Flexible in the deck since the whole deck is artifact based, synergistic in the deck because it's an artifact i.e. my copied Goyf trumps their Goyf because I have Master/Overseer pumping them up.

Amazing! So happy, just when I'm taking a break from the deck they give a new card.

[Infinitium]

To be fair the worst case scenario involves the opponent holding removal for your only creature in play as you cast it. The second-worst scenario involves not having that creature on the battlefield to begin with. Sure it can still enter as an artifact land or whatever I suppose but eeeh.

Still a very, very solid card though.

[Humphrey]

You mean at worst: A card that does nothing or copies something useless.

[rufus]

You mean at worst: A card that does nothing or copies something useless.

More frequently, I'd expect it to be a card that can make a useless copy of something. 'cause you can never have too many Trinispheres in play.