Fastest deck in legacy?

[perm]

I am shamefully ignorant of the statistics of pretty much every combo deck. Which has the highest % to win on turn 1 and 2? Is it still belcher?

[Solar Ice]

Though I don't know the actual percentages, which I suppose vary depending on card choices, Blecher and Spanish Inquisition have the highest, afaik. TES and ANT can both win T1 as well as being far more resilliant (but win far less often on t1) than Belcher. Ichorid builds running LED can win t1 as well

[Jodahae]

Solar Ice is pretty much laid it out but yeah, SI will have the fastest hands of oops your dead on turn 1, then belcher since 60% of its win conditions are attacking with goblins over several turns, your effectively dead but they do have to go through the motions of attacking. ANT and TES can both kill on turns 1 or 2 like Ice pointed out although they are built to win on turns 2 or 3 normally allowing for hand sculpting/duress/chant effects to clear the way.

You will find that any combo deck playing Infernal Tutors and LED's will sometimes give you your turn 1 but with widely played decks you will be going for a kill on either turn 2 or 3.

[death]

Belcher then ANT are the fastest. But I prefer ANT although a turn slower since even when you can't go off on the first turn, you have disruption that can stop your opponent from going off himself or stop him from stopping you on the succeeding turns.

[Doomsday]

PSI is definitely faster than Belcher. You are getting Belched on or Tendrils'd turn 1, there's no attacking with Goblin tokens.

[Jeff Kruchkow]

For storm-style decks its generally something like

Fastest
Spanish Inquisition
Belcher (arguably)
TES
ANT/DDFT (tie)
Slowest

[Admiral_Arzar]

The Pact SI variant with Burning Wish and Draw-7s (Burning Pact, if you will) I believe is the fastest. Vacrix and others were posting +70% turn one kill percentages with that deck in testing. Typical Pact SI was around +60% turn one if I remember correctly. Both decks are MUCH faster than Belcher, but also much less consistent/stable.

The fastest Legacy deck ever is probably the hypothetical Hulk-Flash build with Gemstone Caverns, Summoner's Pacts, and Spirit Guides. That deck could win Turn 0 on the draw (Caverns, Exile Spirit Guide, Pact for Hulk, Flash, Win). Of course, that couldn't be done with any level of consistency, but it's funny to think about.

[Pulp_Fiction]

Without getting technical about all the different variants, Jeff is totally right. SI is the fastest deck in the format since it actually kills on turn 1 a very high percentage of the time. Belcher is the second fastest though and in terms of combo speed they are equal. Meaning they both go off on turn 1 a similar percentage of the time but SI is faster because it just flat out kills the other person rather than making dudes and passing the turn.

[Jonathan Alexander]

SI goes off turn one slightly more often than Belcher I think. With the Draw Seven version Admiral_Arzar talked about I had something like a 60% win percentage on the spot and another 15-20% with Empty The Warrens. With really tight technical play I'm sure 70% on the spot turn ones should be absolutely possible. Also, in testing I didn't always play balls to the wall; sometimes I just went for Empty The Warrens rather than casting Infernal Tutor/Burning Wish for Slithermuse/Diminishing Returns. If you can get close to that in actual tournaments is something different though, discard can hurt the deck a lot, as can a well timed Force Of Will. Plus you can easily lose to your draws.

[Roman Candle]

The fastest Legacy deck ever is probably the hypothetical Hulk-Flash build with Gemstone Caverns, Summoner's Pacts, and Spirit Guides. That deck could win Turn 0 on the draw (Caverns, Exile Spirit Guide, Pact for Hulk, Flash, Win). Of course, that couldn't be done with any level of consistency, but it's funny to think about.

Actually this deck was scary consistent, which is why Flash is banned in Legacy.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Actually this deck was scary consistent, which is why Flash is banned in Legacy.

I know, what I meant was that the turn zero win didn't happen with any level of consistency. Flash was the most consistent/best combo deck ever (most likely) because it won turn 2-3 with large amounts of protection the majority of the time. However, it certainly had the ability to win faster than that.

[Dark Ritual]

Gemstone caverns in flash hulk was wrong sure it boosted the speed but you didn't even need to boost the speed to begin with. It was fast enough going off on turn 2 lol. And if you look at the top 8 lists of flash hulk at GP Columbus 07 NONE of the lists ran gemstone caverns they just ran fetches and duals. I just LOL every time I read that page because only 2 out of 8 of the people who made top 8 said flash should be banned and some others were a tad skeptical about it saying things like future sight makes the deck better and one guy who flatout said no apparently thought that turn 2 flash wasn't as broken as turn 1 vial or lackey. Just love looking back at that deck and seeing how broken it was.

The fastest is SI. 2nd fastest is belcher. 3rd is probably TES. Tied at 4th are ANT and DDFT. Belcher usually goes EtW kill which isn't guaranteed because they can lay down EE for 0 and pop it or echoing truth the tokens or whatever and you have to get belcher + 7 mana in hand to win turn 1 which is about 40% of the time.

[death]

A few other (relatively resilient) decks capable turn 2 wins:
Painter, Hive Mind, Ooze combo, Helmline :P

[Rune]

Seems like a good place to post this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmfjOnx70DE#t=5m24s)

[Malchar]

A few other (relatively resilient) decks capable turn 2 wins:
Painter, Hive Mind, Ooze combo, Helmline :P

Since I play painter I can attest, these decks are quite consistent on turn 2 or 3, but they have almost no chance of going off on turn 1, which puts them in contrast to storm decks. Also, what is ooze combo?

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

Seems like a good place to post this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmfjOnx70DE#t=5m24s)

I lawled.

[kusumoto]

Since I play painter I can attest, these decks are quite consistent on turn 2 or 3, but they have almost no chance of going off on turn 1, which puts them in contrast to storm decks. Also, what is ooze combo?

Cast Buried Alive for Necrotic Ooze + Triskelion + Phyrexian Devourer then Reanimate the Ooze and exile cards from the top of your library to get counters on it and ping your opponent to death. It has the ability to turn 1 rarely, but to consistently turn 2 or 3.

[NesretepNoj]

Cephalid Breakfast is a rather consistent turn three deck. If one modified the deck for speed, it would be able to kill on turn one (albeit without much consistancy).

[perm]

Seems like a good place to post this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmfjOnx70DE#t=5m24s)

So every single deck in legacy is bad and only stupid people play them? kay.