[SCD] Myr Superion

[Darth Nihilus]

Myr Superion 2

Artifact Creature - Myr
Spend only mana produced by creatures to cast Myr Superion.
5/6


anyone out there who thinks this guy could see some play?

maybe a metalworker list or something with vial seems to want this guy, any ideas?

[TossUsToLions]

He could possibly see play in a vial aggro deck, but i doubt it. With goyfs, that's 8 possible 5/6's for two mana in a deck, but it sucks that you absolutely need vial out to play this guy

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

It only looks like it costs 2. It actually costs somewhere in the realm of 4-5 mana, and running a shitty deck. Really it's pretty much strictly better to Noble Hierarch out a Leatherback Baloth, and that card doesn't see play.

[dahcmai]

Isn't there already a thread about this in the same section? I remember posting something about it before. it was some sort of meh answer anyway.

[Jason]

I can see someone packing Noble Hierarch, Dryad Arbor, Birds of Paradise and Aether Vial trying to fit this guy in there. Seems interesting at least.

[Dela]

Can you cast him off the spirit guides?

[Kich867]

With Aether Vial this guy is like... basically Tarmagoyf without a conditional means of growing, no? Joraga Treespeaker could play him turn 2, Aether Vial and every other mana creature turn 3. There's also like, a near infinite possibilities to cheat him into play via: Transmute Artifact (the text is awful but, basically it's like Tinker except you need to pay the difference, if you sac a 2cc arti, you can cheat him into play turn ~2-3).

I can see some nifty things being done with it, perhaps throwing it into some elf deck, they generate a lot of mana as it stands anyways.

Very easily playable via Heritage Druids on turn 2 (with mana to spare!). Also works well with creatures that have some sort of: pay 1 color mana, produce another color mana, fixer abilities.

[perm]

It only looks like it costs 2. It actually costs somewhere in the realm of 4-5 mana, and running a shitty deck. Really it's pretty much strictly better to Noble Hierarch out a Leatherback Baloth, and that card doesn't see play.

that's a pretty dumb analysis. Leatherback baloth is definitely a better creature, but is all green and sorta sucks comparitively with vial. But I agree, you may as well run serra avenger in place of it.

[Gheizen64]

This card just sucks. Why play a shatterable Goyf that require your deck to be horrible to be played?

[Skeggi]

I'm so going to rock that card in my Imperial Recruiter=>Painter's Servant=>Green Sun's Zenith=>Myr Superion deck :wink:

[rufus]

With Aether Vial this guy is like... basically Tarmagoyf without a conditional means of growing, no?
Seems like he's also a 'goyf without a conditional means of shrinkage. I guess the frequency of planeswalkers and tribal in the graveyard that you see is only going to go up, but I'd expect Myr Superion to be bigger most of the time.

Unearth and Stir the Grave also work, though there are probably better targets for those two. There are almost certainly better targets for Wargate.

[Jeff Kruchkow]

I guess maybe if Combo Elves wanted goyf 5-8 for a man plan? Otherwise seems pretty jank.

[Barook]

It would also work with Initiates of the Ebon Hand, Manaforge Cinder and Priest of Gix.

Tried that one already out, combined with Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors for additional speed. Putting down 6-7 power on turn 1 with Dark Ritual may be sexy, but overall, I wasn't satisfied with the consistency. It's just too many dead draws.

[rufus]

It would also work with Initiates of the Ebon Hand, Manaforge Cinder and Priest of Gix.

Tried that one already out, combined with Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors for additional speed. Putting down 6-7 power on turn 1 with Dark Ritual may be sexy, but overall, I wasn't satisfied with the consistency. It's just too many dead draws.

Tinder Wall and Orcish Lumberjack could also work...

Does Keeper of Progenitus mana work?

[Barook]

Does Keeper of Progenitus mana work?
I guess so as he seems to be the source of the extra mana, not the lands.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Come on, guys. This is Legacy. Sure, he's cheap and big, but do you really want to jump through these hoops just for a vanilla 5/6? Don't forget -- just because you can goldfish your method of playing him consistently doesn't mean it'll hold up to a blue or black player's disruption with consistency. Or, because you need creatures for this guy, anyone who's using removal for our dude.

Yeah, you can vial him out, but vial won't always stick. I'd rather not risk a dead card in hand if my Vial gets stopped, especially with Mental Misstep around.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

that's a pretty dumb analysis. Leatherback baloth is definitely a better creature, but is all green and sorta sucks comparitively with vial. But I agree, you may as well run serra avenger in place of it.

This card is clearly a green card. Running it with no way to cast it but Vial is terrible, as is relying on Iron Myr and friends. And if you're relying on Metalworker there's so much more exciting stuff that he can do.

[Darth Nihilus]

a deck that runs GSZ +vial can power him out pretty frequently

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

a deck that runs GSZ +vial can power him out pretty frequently

Green Sun's Zenith can only grab green creatures.

[Darth Nihilus]

ah my bad always forgett bout that on the run

[RogueMTG]

Can you cast him off the spirit guides?

This was my question too, anyone have an answer?

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

No. Unless they're in play, they're not creatures, they're creature cards.

[Black Mass]

Perhaps a very stupid question, but can you play him if you happen to have a creatures like etherium sculptor in to play that reduces the cost of artifacts by 2 or can't you play him due to the fact that you can't pay with mana coming form a creature to pay 0 for him?

[kiblast]

I guess maybe if Combo Elves wanted goyf 5-8 for a man plan? Otherwise seems pretty jank.

Why should combo elves play Tarmogoyfs or Myr Superion?

[Mr. Safety]

Why should combo elves play Tarmogoyfs or Myr Superion?

They SHOULDN'T. The only real 'aggro' creature that combo elves uses is the occasional Intuitin/Vengevine strategy. Other than that it's all about Emrakul, Grapeshot, NO-Pro, or lord-boosted aggro.

The format seems like it's slowing down to me...that means cheap dumb beats (no matter if they have extra stipulations or not) won't really cut it for much longer. Look at Kird Ape/Loam Lion...basically unplayable now that Steppe Lynx can hit as a 4/5 on turn 2. The difference with Tarmogoyf is that he is UNCONDITIONAL (well, mostly, lol) big dumb beats. His 2 mana requirement is negligable when you consider he can blank just about ANY turn 1 creature on your opponent's side of the board.

If you really want to look at cards in a vacuum, Tombstalker is actually better than Tarmogoyf. Evasion, always a 5/5, and gets around Counterbalance. But everyone still knows Tarmogoyf is still the best creature in print...don't compare Myr Superion to Tarmogoyf too much, it's really not even comparing apples to oranges. Goyf = splashable as beats in ANY deck easily, Superion needs mana dorks and a lot of them. The decks that run a lot of mana dorks don't need Superion (Elves and Bant Aggro are the only 2 I can think of...am I missing any?)

Myr Superion belongs in Steel Stompy if anything...but Steel Stompy doesn't run mana dorks at all, lol. That should give you a clue about how much legacy play he'll get...

[cosme]

vine dryad? tinder wall, blood pet, wild cantor (it seems fun but at the same time meh...)

[.nemesis]

Perhaps a very stupid question, but can you play him if you happen to have a creatures like etherium sculptor in to play that reduces the cost of artifacts by 2 or can't you play him due to the fact that you can't pay with mana coming form a creature to pay 0 for him?

Having 2 Etherium Sculptors makes him essentially free, yes.

But then you're forced to run both Etherium Sculptor and Myr Superion, so that's still meh...

[Jeff Kruchkow]

Why should combo elves play Tarmogoyfs or Myr Superion?

I wasn't saying they should, just that its an option I guess?

Also, kinda sad he can't be cast off of Spirit Guides. I was picturing a man-plan for belcher. Which is probably bad anyway.

[kiblast]

I wasn't saying they should, just that its an option I guess?



I don't think it's an option for a combo deck to run a slow vanilla 2cc beater. Even if it is 5/6.

[TsumiBand]

I thought Goyf 5-8 was Green Sun's Zenith.

[shaneswa]

Can you play him off Dryad Arbor?

[perm]

Can you play him off Dryad Arbor?

yes

this card is still bad any way you slice it, lol

[Gocho]

You can play it in block Grand Architect decks, but for legacy I can't find a good deck that needs him

[nedleeds]

Being an artifact can suck, but being colorless can sometimes help (in a Mother of Runes infested meta)

[Guy I Don't Know]

You can Transmute Artifact for it, or search for it with Tezzeret

[Mr. Safety]

I wouldn't say COMPLETELY bad.

I think he could find his way into a Deadguy Ale list that uses Aether Vials. Why? You don't have to splash green for goyfs, and a hefty 5/6 that has a Sword of Fire and Ice tagged onto it is pretty sexy...

[(nameless one)]

I wouldn't say COMPLETELY bad.

I think he could find his way into a Deadguy Ale list that uses Aether Vials. Why? You don't have to splash green for goyfs, and a hefty 5/6 that has a Sword of Fire and Ice tagged onto it is pretty sexy...

I was gonna say that, DnT or any non-green weenie deck that uses Vial. The problem I see with it is that if you don't get Vial going, it will suck.

[Mr. Safety]

The guy is kitchen-table awesome, for sure. Whether or not he'll see constructed play depends on the number/quality of mana dorks in standard. In legacy, you basically have these for mana dorks:

1) Noble Hierarch (only Bant plays this, and they already have Goyf)
2) Birds of Paradise (does this even get played anymore? Some fringe decks that abuse Cataclysm/Armaggedon/Death Clou)
3) Elves (the last thing elves needs is a 5/6 vanilla creature. Emrakul and Progenitus are just soooo much better)
4) Dryad Arbor/Green Sun's Zenith: most decks only play a singleton Dryad Arbor, so this is just flat out not going to happen (refer to #1 for Bant)

So your options are these:

1) Vial Affinity (pretty solid idea...you could start using Paradise Mantle instead of Springleaf Drum)
2)Vial Myr Tribal (not a bad idea really...it would allow for Dispatch, which will shake up the format quite a bit in Affinity decks already. Easy to make it an exile effect and the Myr Lord makes it a viable tribe along with Master of Etherium. Don't forget Grand Architect, too)

[alphastorm]

Sounds interesting. I was actually thinking about grand architect/vial/affinity. Just basically monoblue. The question is whether grand architect is playable in legacy. He seems too slow.

[Sims]

You can play it in block Grand Architect decks, but for legacy I can't find a good deck that needs him

This. My buddy has a type 2 deck that he's been playing that is kind of a mono-blue artifact/infect deck.. Crazy fun, but it's pretty crappy when you're on the shitty end of turn 1 land (misstep), turn 2 everflowing chalice for 1, turn 3 grand architect leaving a land up, tap architect for 2, superion, pay to make superion blue, tap for 2, superion, go.