Quick Tabernacle Question

[Richard Cheese]

This came up the other day on Cockatrice:

Opponent plays a Tabernacle the turn after I play a Bitterblossom. He claims that the new tokens don't have to be paid for the turn they come into play, only any that have been in play since the beginning of my turn.

Also, I played a Dark Confidant, and he thought that I had to pay for the Tabernacle cost before revealing for Bob.

I'm almost positive that he was incorrect in both of these situations, because the Tabernacle gives each creature a static ability, so technically I am the ability's controller, and the tokens will have it immediately upon ETB, which is during my upkeep. Just want to make sure.

[cdr]

Tabernacle has a static ability that gives all creatures on the battlefield a triggered ability.

Triggered abilities that trigger at a phase or step trigger at the beginning of that phase or step. Since you're putting the faerie token onto the battlefield during your upkeep, the point at which Tabernacle triggers trigger has already passed.

When one person controls two or more triggered abilities that trigger at the same time, that player gets to decide what order they go on the stack. You can stack Confidant/Bitterblossom/Tabernacle triggers however you like.

[ScatmanX]

When one person controls two or more triggered abilities that trigger at the same time, that player gets to decide what order they go on the stack. You can stack Confidant/Bitterblossom/Tabernacle triggers however you like.
But the opponent controls the Tabernacle, and he control Bob and Blossom. Wouldn't APNAP work here?

(this way his triggers would go to the stack 1st, then the opponent, so Tabernacle trigger would resolve first, then the other two, right?)

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Tabernacle does not have a triggered ability. The triggered abilities related to Tabernacle are on the creatures. So the creature's controller decides.

[cdr]

Yep, the Tabernacle gives creatures a trigger. You control the creature, you control the trigger.

Also why playing Humility after Tabernacle is a non-bo.

[ScatmanX]

Yep, the Tabernacle gives creatures a trigger. You control the creature, you control the trigger.

Also why playing Humility after Tabernacle is a non-bo.
Nice. The old case of reading the card.
Thanks you both.

[Richard Cheese]

Interesting. At what point does the beginning of your upkeep stop, and the middle or end of your upkeep start? I guess what I was thinking was that I could put my tabernacle triggers before Bitterblossom, but since BB also says "beginning of your upkeep", it would still be the beginning when the tokens came into play, and I would then have to address the Tabernacle triggers again.

[mchainmail]

Interesting. At what point does the beginning of your upkeep stop, and the middle or end of your upkeep start? I guess what I was thinking was that I could put my tabernacle triggers before Bitterblossom, but since BB also says "beginning of your upkeep", it would still be the beginning when the tokens came into play, and I would then have to address the Tabernacle triggers again.

The beginning of the upkeep stops once someone has priority (more or less, CDR correct me if there's a better definition). As such, Beginning of Step triggers are only going to trigger once, and only for objects that had those triggers at the very beginning of the upkeep.

[cdr]

Interesting. At what point does the beginning of your upkeep stop, and the middle or end of your upkeep start? I guess what I was thinking was that I could put my tabernacle triggers before Bitterblossom, but since BB also says "beginning of your upkeep", it would still be the beginning when the tokens came into play, and I would then have to address the Tabernacle triggers again.

There's no "beginning", "middle", "end". "Beginning of your upkeep" is just when your upkeep starts - it's an event, a point in time, and only happens once.

When your upkeep starts, everything that exists that has a trigger that matches that event triggers. Anything that comes into existence after that point won't, because you're past the point where that event occurred.

[TheKingslayer]

Does tabernacle require a creature be sacrificed or destroyed? If it is destroy, I'm assuming indestructibles are immune.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=201236

Oracle text says "Destroy", so yes, Indestructible creatures do not need to be paid for and the Destroy effect won't touch it.