Changes in M12

[trivial_matters]

Read about them here. (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/144)

Changes include the introduction of the keyword hexproof, aka troll shroud, and the term "dies" instead of "is put into the graveyard from the battlefield" for creatures.

Oh and, bloodthirst and planeswalkers (duh) will be making a return in M12.

[evanmartyr]

I know they'll never do it, but they should stop reprinting the "bad" versions of Planeswalkers. JTMS and Chandra Ablaze would be awesome to see in a base set...I say this speaking as someone who never plays type 2, and missed the bus on picking up Jaces when Worldwake boosters weren't 7-10$.

[Sims]

I know they'll never do it, but they should stop reprinting the "bad" versions of Planeswalkers. JTMS and Chandra Ablaze would be awesome to see in a base set...I say this speaking as someone who never plays type 2, and missed the bus on picking up Jaces when Worldwake boosters weren't 7-10$.

Doubtful. I'm still amazed, based on the trailer for Duels 2012, that they're printing Sorin and Gideon instead of Ajani and Liliana.

[evanmartyr]

Given how powerful most of the Planeswalker cards are, I'd be disappointed if they didn't just reprint at least one version of each Planeswalker in the base sets. Some don't really fit, like Tezz (both versions) because there are very seldom worthwhile artifacts in the base set. But the base sets seem like the ideal place to populate the mythic rarity level with truly iconic cards, which the planeswalkers all are.

[cdr]

MaRo already came right out and said Jace TMS is never being reprinted. Sorry.

[Nihil Credo]

Hexproof sounds awful to me - "hex" is great, but "proof" feels so incredibly mundane. I associate it with "waterproof", and the result is something you'd slap on a piece of kitchenware. How about 'Hexward' or 'Hexshield' instead?

Bloodthirst is a very aggro mechanic. I wonder if they'll hold back on the cheap, offensive guys in Innistrad to compensate.

Sorin is a good call, he's less boring than Liliana - in general, the original five were all boring by design, since they had no character concept beyond being an icon of their colour, and while that might have made players more comfortable when initially trying to sell the planeswalker card type, the sooner they're phased out the better. Speaking of which, we're all still waiting for a mono-Red planeswalker that isn't terrible.

[sroncor1]

Koth is very good. Not sure how much more you could want from a monored planeswalker except he doesn't protect himself

[lorddotm]

mono-Red planeswalker that isn't terrible.

Maybe I'm confused here, but is there any Planeswalker with red mana symbols that isn't shit?

[trivial_matters]

Hexproof sounds awful to me - "hex" is great, but "proof" feels so incredibly mundane. I associate it with "waterproof", and the result is something you'd slap on a piece of kitchenware. How about 'Hexward' or 'Hexshield' instead?

Bloodthirst is a very aggro mechanic. I wonder if they'll hold back on the cheap, offensive guys in Innistrad to compensate.

Sorin is a good call, he's less boring than Liliana - in general, the original five were all boring by design, since they had no character concept beyond being an icon of their colour, and while that might have made players more comfortable when initially trying to sell the planeswalker card type, the sooner they're phased out the better. Speaking of which, we're all still waiting for a mono-Red planeswalker that isn't terrible.

I guess it's hard coming up with a name for a (not-so) new mechanic. I agree that hexproof sounds a bit awkward. Hexshield reminds me of an antivirus program. >_>

Koth is alright, though he practically doesn't see any play in Legacy.

What does everyone think of "dies"? I thought this would be the most interesting change introduced.

[atropos]

I guess it's hard coming up with a name for a (not-so) new mechanic. I agree that hexproof sounds a bit awkward. Hexshield reminds me of an antivirus program. >_>

Koth is alright, though he practically doesn't see any play in Legacy.

What does everyone think of "dies"? I thought this would be the most interesting change introduced.

"Hexproof" sounds alright to me but "dies" will take some getting use to. Dies sounds like the creature passing away from old age instead of something violent.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Koth is very good. Not sure how much more you could want from a monored planeswalker except he doesn't protect himself

Koth is awful in Legacy since he's over the curve of aggressive decks (and worse than other options if you needed a 4cc planeswalker), and has little function in control builds.

[Koby]

Maybe I'm confused here, but is there any Planeswalker with red mana symbols that isn't shit?

Yes, Ajani Vengeant.

Red needs a planeswalker that costs 3 mana, because there is no red deck that plays control, and hence doesn't generally want/need to protect its planeswalkers.

[Digital Devil]

http://imageshack.us/m/217/802/7165es3uztmmk.jpg

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This + Chandra Ablaze, please. Not in Legacy, though.

[Nihil Credo]

Koth is very good. Not sure how much more you could want from a monored planeswalker except he doesn't protect himself
I totally forgot about Koth. Yeah, he'd be good for a core set, unless they're afraid of having the "emblem" thing.

[lorddotm]

Yes, Ajani Vengeant.

Red needs a planeswalker that costs 3 mana, because there is no red deck that plays control, and hence doesn't generally want/need to protect its planeswalkers.

He is good? This is a Legacy forum, and I am pretty sure all walkers that aren't Jace (if I have to say which one, shoot yourself) or Eslepth (read my other parenthesis) are just dog shit.

[Pastorofmuppets]

[IMG]Chandra's Phoenix

I might borrow my friend's burn deck and replace the Hellsparks with these.

[sroncor1]

Well as a fringe case Koth works great with moon against junk decks and mono blue decks. He was finally a threat that they both have trouble with. But I guess my I'm biased, but he isn't dog shit.

Seth

[menace13]

He is good? This is a Legacy forum, and I am pretty sure all walkers that aren't Jace (if I have to say which one, shoot yourself) or Eslepth (read my other parenthesis) are just dog shit.

Ajani Veng isn't that bad. He has in the past showed up in winning lists from Zoo to Control decks.

[Koby]

He is good? This is a Legacy forum, and I am pretty sure all walkers that aren't Jace (if I have to say which one, shoot yourself) or Eslepth (read my other parenthesis) are just dog shit.

He was somewhat used in old CounterTop/Walker lists. This was before the Jace Revolution, so take that with a grain of salt. The point stands - Red has some janky walkers. Every set I keep getting reaffirmed that WotC's R&D only has one thing on their mind when they think about the color pie: Blueberry filling.

[TheShaun]

He is good? This is a Legacy forum, and I am pretty sure all walkers that aren't Jace (if I have to say which one, shoot yourself) or Eslepth (read my other parenthesis) are just dog shit.

I think Tezz is pretty solid too, in affinity obviously but I saw him doing well in a thopter list too. Not great, but definitely legacy viable.

[Zach Tartell]

Maybe I'm confused here, but is there any Planeswalker with red mana symbols that isn't shit?

Nicol Bolas, MotherFucking Planeswalker

[Bryant Cook]

Nicol Bolas, MotherFucking Planeswalker

"Isn't shit".

[Zach Tartell]

"Isn't shit".

This is a fight. We're fighting.

[DukeDemonKn1ght]

MaRo already came right out and said Jace TMS is never being reprinted. Sorry.

Can't we get a herd of wildebeests to rape that guy already??

[Sintheros]

Can't we get a herd of wildebeests to rape that guy already??

MaRo or JTMS? I'd be okay with one of these.

[Nightmare]

Thoughts:

Hexproof is stupid, but mostly because it doesn't make any sense: This creature gains Hexproof until end of turn. Really? Gains Hexproof? How about gains Hexellence. That makes just as much sense.

Dies. They already die, we all abbreviate it to that. "When this guy dies, you kill that thing." Not an important change.

@ Chandra's Phoenix:

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/zen/120.jpg


+1, bitches.

[lorddotm]

"Isn't shit".
This is a fight. We're fighting.

You guys must be really hilarious to watch in person. You guys should head out west so I can see this. (Not to mention we have better everything here, girls, weed, concerts, girls, parties, and girls [except music, but the internet exists])

Also, Adam, I mentioned that on Twitter. Clearly stealing ideas. :wink:

[Nightmare]

Clearly. And please, take Bryant and Zach. We're done with them.

[lorddotm]

Clearly. And please, take Bryant and Zach. We're done with them.

I never said I wanted them forever, more like a movie rental. Last thing LA needs is more "graphic designers" West Hollywood only has soo much space.

[Nightmare]

I never said I wanted them forever, more like a movie rental. Last think LA needs is more "graphic designers" West Hollywood only has soo much space.

Insert anti-semite joke directed at Zach here, too.

[lorddotm]

Insert anti-semite joke directed at Zach here, too.

Well, Beverly Hills only has so much room too. The Jews are slowly being pushed out by Persians. From hairy to mammoth.

[Stifle]

You guys must be really hilarious to watch in person. You guys should head out west so I can see this. (Not to mention we have better everything here, girls, weed, concerts, girls, parties, and girls [except music, but the internet exists])

Also, Adam, I mentioned that on Twitter. Clearly stealing ideas. :wink:

Aren't your lips chap from all that Bryant Cook ass-kissing?

[Bryant Cook]

Clearly. And please, take Bryant and Zach. We're done with them.

Please, the only reason I'd leave Syracuse is because I'm tired of carrying this city on my back while you write about it.

[aahz]

Dies. They already die, we all abbreviate it to that. "When this guy dies, you kill that thing." Not an important change.

Now everything will match the original text of Abu Ja'far. From Arabian Nights. As someone who likes old-skool cards, I approve.
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg%20art/Arabian%20Nights/Abu%20Ja%27far.jpg

We'll ignore that fact that his creature type is no longer "leper".

[Digital Devil]

Also, Adam, I mentioned that on Twitter. Clearly stealing ideas.
Hey, what about me (post #13)?

[Koby]

Can we bring back Bury yet?

"When you bury a creature/land/artifact, it's put into the graveyard" etc

So we can return to Terror's Bury target creature. Destroy still will mean what it does in the 5th Edition rulebook.

FFS, the concept is not hard!

[TeenieBopper]

Please, the only reason I'd leave Syracuse is because I'm tired of carrying this city on my back while you write about it.

I lol'ed.

[Aggro_zombies]

Hexproof is a pretty asinine keyword, if only because you can target Hexproof creatures with your own Hex and your opponent can damage them with Kaervek's Hex, making them clearly not hexproof.

The awesome part about the "dies" terminology is that the following is now possible:

http://magiclampoon.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Sad-Realization.gif

[Richard Cheese]

Please, the only reason I'd leave Syracuse is because I'm tired of carrying this city on my back while you write about it.

Or if the mall closes, in which case all that's left is some abandoned factories and thriving ghettos...or does the whole city just cease to exist the day that thing doesn't open its doors?