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kinda
05-31-2011, 12:45 AM
I was inspired by the ugr grinder winner at the GP to take a look at the interaction between cascade cards and ancestral vision. The combo seemed poor in that deck to me though as bbraid seemed like it would often grab something subpar. Ardent in this list can only grab visions and tarmogoyf. The latter being a concession that seems reasonable to me as an exalted tarmogoyf supported by 12 removal spells seems pretty good. Oh and as an added bonus the deck is mental misstep proof. Are there any other good 3cc+ cards with alternate costs that allow them to be played as 0-2 drops?

2x Snuff Out
4x Force of will

4x Ancestral Vision
4x Dismember

4x Tarmogoyf
4x Shriekmaw

2x Tombstalker

4x Ardent Plea
3x Vendillion Clique
2x Threads of Disloyalty

4x Jace, the Mind Sculptor

23x Land

SB:
4x Submerge

The life loss might be a bit much, but pifall trap is another option. I was debating between threads and a sword. I'm thinking something should be cut for the 24th land.

Greenpoe
05-31-2011, 01:13 AM
You could try Nihilith or Unmask, but they don't help much. I think Dismember should be dropped for Vindicate. With already having Snuff Out available, go for versatility over speed. Doesn't 4 Jace seem like a little much? 23 lands, so I'm assuming you have Wastelands, or at least some manlands (to duke it out under a Standstill)?

Prkchpsndwiches
05-31-2011, 08:54 AM
Interesting deck idea. I think you may need some sort of mass removal though.

klaus
05-31-2011, 04:42 PM
Just a variation that appeals to me:
(Yeah, I cut Goyf and green for a better manabase and 100% Vision fun..)

3x Snuff Out
3x Dismember
3x Threads of Disloyalty
2x Vindicate

4x Force of will
2x Misdirection
4x Ancestral Vision
3x Jace

4x Shriekmaw
3x Vendillion Clique
2x Tombstalker

4x Ardent Plea

23x Land

SB:
4x Submerge
4x Leyline of Sanctity
4x Leyline of the Void
3x flex slots

kinda
06-01-2011, 07:19 AM
Yeah, cutting green is ideal but I wasn't sure if it would be consistent enough. Unfortunately I lost my operating system so I'm running linux atm and can't actually test. Misdirection looks good with all of the hymns running around, and the leyline's look good too.

Gocho
06-02-2011, 03:38 AM
I use Linux all day and play Cockatrice (Native), MWS (Wine) and MTGO (VBox) so I can't see the problem.