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death
06-13-2011, 08:01 PM
Nihil Credo came up with this idea for a new combo:


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175104&type=cardhttp://casualplaneswalker.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/The-Mimeoplasm.jpghttp://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198372&type=card

I'm throwing in 72 cards to make it into a competitive deck.

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4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Lim-Dul's Vault
2 Personal Tutor

Destroy
4 Thoughtseize
3 Mental Misstep
2 Duress

Reanimation
4 Buried Alive
4 Reanimate
3 Exhume
1 Mimeoplasm
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Death's Shadow

Acceleration
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox

Lands
3 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Swamp
2 Island

Sideboard:
4 Show and Tell
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Form of the Dragon
1 Echoing Truth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Eye of Nowhere

Compared to Necrotic Ooze combo, this one dodges artifact-based hate in the form of Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, and Cursed Totem. All of which can be used in conjunction with grave hate against the former.

I decided to cut Force of Will because of card disadvantage in favor of speed. Since 2-3 cards are devoted in comboing off (Dark Rit/Petals/C. Mox) requiring a pitch card on top of that against blue puts a strain on the gameplan. Mental Misstep is there ala "Force" functioning as protection for the combo and stall for the opponent.

Why play this over other combo? Rouge factor and redundancy. With 5 tutors, there's virtually 9 Buried Alive and 11 reanimation spells, aside from the 8 cantrips main deck. Same tutors fetch discard spells that clear the path along with Mental Misstep.

Against minimal grave hate, you can board in the bounce spells or use the transformational board of SnT + Emrakul for full bypass. Form of the Dragon is great against slow control decks that pack black creature removal (and Jace, the Mind Sculptor) which can deal with a 15/15 Emrakul or the 18/21 Archangel.

The gameplan is simple: BA + reanimate = god mode *good times*

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2554/godmode.jpg


Seems Good

nayon
06-13-2011, 08:24 PM
Goryo's Vengeance maybe?

Karhumies
06-19-2011, 06:14 PM
Replacing Empyrial Archangel with Inkwell Leviathan has also been suggested to make the power 20 and to give Islandwalk (as well as Trample). Trample and Islandwalk are relevant if running an all-in strategy with Goryo's Vengeance and/or Shallow Grave.

The downside is of course not redirectering damage by Angel effect.


This sounds conditional (= known metagame choice) against cards such as
- Vampire Nighthawk
- Dark Depths / Marit Lage
- Basilisk Collar + flyer
- Mother of Runes + flyer
- Innocent Blood (= non-instant Edict effects)
- Storm combo (Tendrils or decking); Angel does not prevent these so reducing 1 turn from the clock is relevant
- Bitterblossom (or other recurring flyers)



Also, I think that Energy Field as a stalling strategy (probably SB; but MD is not completely impossible) could perhaps be discussed.

dahcmai
06-19-2011, 10:21 PM
I guess I'll be the one to ask, why bother when you can play Ooze and win at instant speed eot? It dodges needle, but it still seems not having to attack is a much better trade off.

Jander78
06-19-2011, 11:29 PM
I guess I'll be the one to ask, why bother when you can play Ooze and win at instant speed eot? It dodges needle, but it still seems not having to attack is a much better trade off.
I've asked this question in the two other threads related to this combo. Sure the combo works, but using the attack phase, and not being able to respond to spells and effects by winning after a resolved animate spell, seems more fragile than traditional Necrotic Ooze combo. Dodging hate is not much of an argument. With a transformational sideboard you're already dodging all the hate cards that were named via the Show and Tell / Doomsday / whatever you decide transform into.

Lemnear
06-19-2011, 11:41 PM
Why does no one bother reading mimeoplasm first before posting hilarity? It doesn't gain P/T of BOTH creatures combined, neither abilities of both creatures!

You get the P/T of One of the removed cards and the abilities of the other one! This is the 3rd time I mention this on the board, Jesus!

Lemnear
06-19-2011, 11:41 PM
Why does no one bother reading mimeoplasm first before posting hilarity? It doesn't gain P/T of BOTH creatures combined, neither abilities of both creatures!

You get the P/T of One of the removed cards and the abilities of the other one! This is the 3rd time I mention this on the board, Jesus!

Kove
06-20-2011, 04:30 AM
The way I read the card it comes into play as a copy of one of the creatures (in this case the angel), which is a 5/8. Then the copy should be 5/8 as well.
It then gets, as it says on the card, an additional amount of +1/+1 counters equal to the strength of the second creature - which is 13. 18/21 in total sounds right.

Barook
06-20-2011, 04:33 AM
Why does no one bother reading mimeoplasm first before posting hilarity? It doesn't gain P/T of BOTH creatures combined, neither abilities of both creatures!

You get the P/T of One of the removed cards and the abilities of the other one! This is the 3rd time I mention this on the board, Jesus!
Since when is a copy of a 5/8 creature 0/0?

It comes into play as a copy of the Angel, being 5/8, and then gets 13 +1/+1 counters.

Mr.Dieth
06-20-2011, 04:42 AM
Really, why do people bother with this combo?

Necrotic is plain better on many levels, It only 'dies' to boarded peedle, but at that point it isn't even in your main deck anymore, then you have an emrakul stomping your opponent, who feels silly cause he is sithing there with his crypt/leyline/peedle/wheel against your emrakul.

Where with the mimeoplasm thing, people have answers maindeck ( innocent blood, humility, moat and so forth .. )

Really, it may be funky in casual, but not in competitive legacy

rufus
06-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Really, why do people bother with this combo?
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Really, it may be funky in casual, but not in competitive legacy

There's potential there. Mimeoplasm+Maga, Traitor to Mortals/Triskelion+Lord of Extinction seems like it's superior to Sutured Ghoul+Dragon Breath+Lord of Extinction in Cephalid Breakfast or similar decks. Edit: It seems like it might even fit into ichorid.