Premium Deck Series: Graveborn

[whienot]

Wizards announces Premium Deck Series: Graveborn. (http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/737)


Premium Deck Series: Graveborn

Call Forth the Dead.

Legions of corpses await your sinister commands. This 60-card, all-foil deck entombs, exhumes, and reanimates some of the most powerful Magic creatures from all five colors of mana. Harvest your graveyard for an assortment of these face-beaters as you walk over a field of bones to claim your victory.


Very cool. I'll have to wait and see the decklist, but this is the first premium deck that I'm excited about.

[Roman Candle]

The description says it "entombs, exhumes, and reanimates." If this means what I think it means then foil Entomb alone probably makes it worth the MSRP.

[Shawn]

Anyone else notice this?


Deck Design and Development: David Humpherys

[Tammit67]

Anyone else notice this?
Deck Design and Development: David Humpherys


When do you think they will release how many Humpherys designed this?

[cdr]

http://www.wizards.com/sideboard/article.asp?x=ptnor01\693top8decks

[majikal]

http://www.wizards.com/sideboard/article.asp?x=ptnor01\693top8decks

Dear lord, if that's the exact decklist I will simply shit.

[John Cox]

I doubt that's it's the same deck. This will likely be legal in some format (likely legacy) and that deck has 4 vampiric tutors.

[PanderAlexander]

Definitely not it, they state on their website it's going to include:


60-card premium foil deck, including 8 rare cards

[Mr.Dieth]

EntombSSS, multiples ? In one pre-con deck ?

Wow, will entomb plummet in price now ? Or will it be like with the lavamancer ?

[Sims]

Having seen the Fire and Lightning premium deck, it won't have multiple Entombs. It will have 1 if there are any in it at all, similar to how Fire and Lightning only had 1 Lavamancer in the package.

I doubt entomb will plummet, either. Only having 1 reprinting in a boxed product that has a beautiful but shitty foiling process that will curl to hell and back and will likely have terrible artwork? Your Odyssey and Odyssey foils will be fine.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Definitely not it, they state on their website it's going to include: "60-card premium foil deck, including 8 rare cards"

And you can bet most of those will be the creatures that are to be reanimated.

[GGoober]

Having seen the Fire and Lightning premium deck, it won't have multiple Entombs. It will have 1 if there are any in it at all, similar to how Fire and Lightning only had 1 Lavamancer in the package.

I doubt entomb will plummet, either. Only having 1 reprinting in a boxed product that has a beautiful but shitty foiling process that will curl to hell and back and will likely have terrible artwork? Your Odyssey and Odyssey foils will be fine.

Makes me sad I traded my foil Entomb at $20 (bought it at $8) before the unbannings. And yeah, FtV/Promos/Premium Foils are always pretty bad. Check out FtV series for artifacts. Even if Top and Mox Diamond aren't worth trash, the art and foils still look incredibly bad.

[Dark Ritual]

Yeah if they put 4 entombs in here I would shit my pants. That would just be so unreal and the price would plummet hard on them if there was a full playset of entombs in there. I bet there's just one entomb same as the fire and lightning having just one lavamancer and chain lightning.

[Richard Cheese]

Having seen the Fire and Lightning premium deck, it won't have multiple Entombs. It will have 1 if there are any in it at all, similar to how Fire and Lightning only had 1 Lavamancer in the package.

I doubt entomb will plummet, either. Only having 1 reprinting in a boxed product that has a beautiful but shitty foiling process that will curl to hell and back and will likely have terrible artwork? Your Odyssey and Odyssey foils will be fine.

Plummet: No.
Drop: Yes.

Look at Grim Lavamancer and Chain Lightning after F&L came out. Not like either one tanked, but the originals definitely dropped a good amount.

[Sims]

They did, but I believe chain went back up as people realized the foil version is uglier than something that fell out of the ugly tree and hit every damned branch on the way down. Grim, I can accept, because it had the superior DCI judge promo art and no DCI stamp, but had the shitty curly foiling process..

I agree, it will go down if it's in the box, but i dont' think it'll go far or stay down long, especially if the art sucks.

[Richard Cheese]

The original chain lightning isn't really anything to look at either...

It's also still around $8-10, I feel like it was at $15-$20 a couple years ago when Zoo was putting up crazy numbers. Much in the same way, I expect entomb to fall because of increased availability and Reanimator being less than popular right now.

[dahcmai]

I'll be fairly happy for a foil Exhume set. Reanimate is another one that's tricky to get as a foil. Sadly, the person a few posts back mentioning that the rare slots will be taken up by the shitty creatures is probably right. I guess an Iona foil would be ok with diff art.

[stealth]

Does anyone know when this is due for release?

[Aggro_zombies]

Does anyone know when this is due for release?
According to the link in the opening post, the release is November 18th.

[stealth]

thankyou...i read it some time ago and was just thinking about it now.

[NyxathidHorror]

I would LOVE to see entomb in this deck; as it's the only card I'm missing for reanimator. The price tag it has now is just plain stupid...

[Aggro_zombies]

I would LOVE to see entomb in this deck; as it's the only card I'm missing for reanimator. The price tag it has now is just plain stupid...
Somehow I get the feeling that this deck will have a couple of self-discard spells, maybe a self-mill spell, and Buried Alive, and there will be no Entombs.

But I have been known to be overly pessimistic from time to time.

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Somehow I get the feeling that this deck will have a couple of self-discard spells, maybe a self-mill spell, and Buried Alive, and there will be no Entombs.

But I have been known to be overly pessimistic from time to time.


Agreed. 'Entombs' is a verb; all that entails is that Wizards is including an Entomb-type effect such as Buried Alive. As I said above, most of the rares will probably be the creatures you're reanimating.

[agent00]

Somehow I get the feeling that this deck will have a couple of self-discard spells, maybe a self-mill spell, and Buried Alive, and there will be no Entombs.

But I have been known to be overly pessimistic from time to time.

You can see entomb on the front:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=125349&d=1319556889

[KobeBryan]

You can see entomb on the front:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=125349&d=1319556889

Great...its going to be a 10 dollar rare soon.

Now for vendillion clique.

[ddt15]

Great...its going to be a 10 dollar rare soon.

Now for vendillion clique.
I'd like to see Imperial Recruiter in one of these decks.

I think its good these decks come out. It forces the speculation prices to go down and wizards makes some nice bucks from it i guess.

[Aggro_zombies]

You can see entomb on the front:
Well...shit. Guess I'll get one, then.

EDIT: Man, I remember years ago when having an Avatar of Woe was like a casual player's dream. It was big, it killed anything, and it could cost as little as two mana! Plus, if you didn't need to murderate everything in sight, it was 6 very-difficult-to-block power. That it was a rare in a shitty, poorly-received set and therefore expensive and hard to find outside of a precon that was itself expensive and hard to find only added to the mystique.

And then Wizards decided to reprint one in, like, every fucking special release product with black in it and now there's a million of them and they're worth a dollar tops.

Thanks for ruining my casual player dream, Wizards.

[Purgatory]

Well...shit. Guess I'll get one, then.

EDIT: Man, I remember years ago when having an Avatar of Woe was like a casual player's dream. It was big, it killed anything, and it could cost as little as two mana! Plus, if you didn't need to murderate everything in sight, it was 6 very-difficult-to-block power. That it was a rare in a shitty, poorly-received set and therefore expensive and hard to find outside of a precon that was itself expensive and hard to find only added to the mystique.

And then Wizards decided to reprint one in, like, every fucking special release product with black in it and now there's a million of them and they're worth a dollar tops.

Thanks for ruining my casual player dream, Wizards.

On Avatar of Woe: I used to have that old BW Prophecy deck when I was a casual rndmscrb and it was truly terrifying for my friends when I cast it. When I got my Devour for Power Commander deck, I managed to dig out my old Avatar from my binder, and replaced the reprinted one in the deck with my old original. It feels a lot more special to cast it now, and in multiplayer EDH, a 6/5 Fear creature for 2 that says "T: Destroy target general." on it is pretty awesome :) I love that guy (girl? monster?) and I don't mnd seeing it reprinted in special sets every now and then. I like the Pro Tour reprint, the newer art is really cool. If only this one had the same art... :/

On-topic: I don't think I will get the box, I didn't get either of the previous ones, and I don't have the spare cash to just toss at some foils (in fact, I'm not a big fan of foils, especially not the ones that curl really easily). I will, however, consider getting into Reanimator if the Odyssey originals drop to a more reasonable price level, and I may pick up the die from the box from somewhere, I think it looks kinda funky and cool.

[dahcmai]

Soooo, any bets on Animate Dead not even remotely resembling any wording on any of the older versions and even has a new errata to go with it? lol You know it's coming.


I'm glad Entomb is in this. I've had old regular ones forever since I never wanted to cough up that price tag on them.

Exhume better be in this also. I really wanted those more than anything else.


And total agree on Imperial Recruiter. I own two and I would still like to have it reprinted so I could finally play decks that use them.

[swoop]

+1 on reprinting.

Rec, Vindicate, and rest. I need it.

[DragoFireheart]

So, how much is this premium deck?

[Malakai]

$34.99. My local store, which is fairly large, is selling them at MSRP.

[RJM]

I'm still holding out for the blue premium series deck that's going to have Force of Will with the new art in it...

[DragoFireheart]

I'm still holding out for the blue premium series deck that's going to have Force of Will with the new art in it...

- Force of Will, Counterbalance, Tarmogoyf?

[(nameless one)]

- Force of Will, Counterbalance, Tarmogoyf?

Premium Deck Series: Supreme Blue

Now that's a premium deck I wanna see.

[Gheizen64]

Soooo, any bets on Animate Dead not even remotely resembling any wording on any of the older versions and even has a new errata to go with it? lol You know it's coming.


I'm glad Entomb is in this. I've had old regular ones forever since I never wanted to cough up that price tag on them.

Exhume better be in this also. I really wanted those more than anything else.


And total agree on Imperial Recruiter. I own two and I would still like to have it reprinted so I could finally play decks that use them.

How can they reword it?

Can't they simply fucking rework the rules to make targeting dead creatures with an enchant creature possible if said on the card or something?

Animate Dead
Enchantment - Aura
Enchant Creature
Animate dead can target only creatures in a graveyard. Return that creature to play under your control as Animate dead enter into play.
Enchanted creature get -1/-0. If animate dead leaves the game, sacrifice the enchanted creature.

EDIT: looking at the portion of the card we can see, it seems it has the oracle text. So zzz.

[Richard Cheese]

I wonder if it's possible that by reprinting most/all Legacy staples that aren't on the reserved list, prices on reserved cards would go up because:

lower cost barrier = more interest in format = more demand for reserved cards

Who knows. For the time being, I like seeing these reprints, just wish they weren't in foil/new borders.

[Julian23]

I wonder if it's possible that by reprinting most/all Legacy staples that aren't on the reserved list, prices on reserved cards would go up because:

lower cost barrier = more interest in format = more demand for reserved cards

Who knows. For the time being, I like seeing these reprints, just wish they weren't in foil/new borders.

This doesn't really make sense. Basically you're saying that "lower cost barrier = higher cost barrier" ;-). The only way this could be corrected to make sense is by introducing a 3rd variable that was to increases interest in Legacy in the first place. Something like people realizing "omg this format rocks" when they see the reprints.

[Aggro_zombies]

This doesn't really make sense. Basically you're saying that "lower cost barrier = higher cost barrier" ;-). The only way this could be corrected to make sense is by introducing a 3rd variable that was to increases interest in Legacy in the first place. Something like people realizing "omg this format rocks" when they see the reprints.
It sort of makes sense. The dual lands are the real Reserved List offenders; reprinting stuff like FoW and Wasteland creates an illusion of format accessibility that then gets crushed by the real prices of dual lands. There are not a whole lot of decks you can make without needing at least a couple hundred dollars to purchase Reserved List cards:

- Mono-blue Merfolk (FoW, Wasteland, Vial are all reprintable)
- Mono-red Goblins (Pretty much the whole deck is reprintable, and in fact many of the cards have been reprinted in various places)
- Something like GW Maverick where you can skimp on duals and substitute something else for Karakas

Basically anything blue will be running 5-10 duals and therefore be expensive.

[KobeBryan]

I'd like to see Imperial Recruiter in one of these decks.

I think its good these decks come out. It forces the speculation prices to go down and wizards makes some nice bucks from it i guess.

We'd all like to see imperial recruiter. But there isn't a theme where he would match the series.

The ones that came out recently were 1. fire and ice (which brought back chain lightning), and 2. Graveborn (animate dead and entomb)

How we gonna fit an imperial recruiter in there?

Anyways, based on history, looks like entomb will be reprinted in one of the next two sets.

[boneclub24]

We'd all like to see imperial recruiter. But there isn't a theme where he would match the series.

The ones that came out recently were 1. fire and ice (which brought back chain lightning), and 2. Graveborn (animate dead and entomb)

Premium Deck Series: Imperial Painter.

[KobeBryan]

Premium Deck Series: Imperial Painter.

HAHA....in your dreams.

[Richard Cheese]

Premium Deck Series: Asian Shit

Feat. Top, Recruiter, Seal, Jitte

[boneclub24]

premium deck series: kamigawa.dek

feat. Top, recruiter, seal, jitte

ftfy

[Richard Cheese]

ftfy

Except that half of those are from P3K.

[dahcmai]

Might as well just have Premium Deck Series: Tears of the Speculator and really put in some goodies like Goyfs and Foil Jaces.

[Klazam]

You might as well have said jaces. the foil is implied in the "premium" part.

I'm gonna pick up a couple just for the entombs. I like that Wizards is trying to reprint goodies, but we'll see how it all shakes out I guess.

[boneclub24]

Except that half of those are from P3K.

Premium Deck Series: Portal_and_Kamigawa.dek

happy?

[Aggro_zombies]

Premium Deck Series: Portal_and_Kamigawa.dek

happy?
Duel Decks: China vs. Japan: the Chinese deck has Seal and Recruiter while the Japanese deck has Top, Jitte and Massacre.

[KobeBryan]

Duel Decks: China vs. Japan: the Chinese deck has Seal and Recruiter while the Japanese deck has Top, Jitte and Massacre.

jitte and top v. seal and recruiter?

i wonder who's gonna win????

[Namida]

Duel Decks: China vs. Japan: the Chinese deck has Seal and Recruiter while the Japanese deck has Top, Jitte and Massacre.

I just about died laughing when I read "Massacre." Well played, sir.

[lyracian]

So who thinks Wizards are going to be cheap-skates and only put one Entomb in Graveborn?
I see spending half the game looking for a reanimate spell...

I will still get two of them though since it is cheaper than buying two Entomb's and I get a pile of other cards that might be useful too.

[metamet]

So who thinks Wizards are going to be cheap-skates and only put one Entomb in Graveborn?
I see spending half the game looking for a reanimate spell...

I will still get two of them though since it is cheaper than buying two Entomb's and I get a pile of other cards that might be useful too.

Pretty sure Entomb is in it... http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=300501

It's presaling for $20, while the regular one is still $40.

[oldbsturgeon]

well sure it will only have 1 entomb. The deck only has 6 or 8 rares to begin with.
In fact with the other 2 decks, the only card they show in the picture that was included with more than 1 copy was pillage in the F&L deck.
If anything I would not expect any of the cards shown in graveborn to be more than 1 of, maybe animate dead as a 2 of.

[nedleeds]

If it goes like Fire and Lightning they will be sitting in the Target for 15% off retail about a month after launch.

[Aggro_zombies]

If it goes like Fire and Lightning they will be sitting in the Target for 15% off retail about a month after launch.
I find this unlikely. There seems to be plenty of anecdotal evidence that people are buying multiples of this to finish off sets of Entombs cheaply, while F&L had no desirable, expensive, hard-to-get card.

[Jeff]

F&L had Chain Lightning, which I would consider desirable, expensive, and hard to get. And at the time, it had foil Lavmancers which weren't particularly easy to get either. Sure, neither of those are Entomb, but they're still cards people wanted.

F&L has been at Target near me for $17.50 for months. I'm hoping the same thing happens with Graveborn, I'd probably pick a few up then. No real need to play Reanimator now, so patience will win out.

[dahcmai]

I'll do my usual and trade them from the tabletop players who buy them. There's always that one guy who buys 4 for one particular card that I don't need. Chain Lightning in the last one got a lot of people to buy 4 of them so I doubt this will be too much different.

[lyracian]

well sure it will only have 1 entomb. The deck only has 6 or 8 rares to begin with.
In fact with the other 2 decks, the only card they show in the picture that was included with more than 1 copy was pillage in the F&L deck.
If anything I would not expect any of the cards shown in graveborn to be more than 1 of, maybe animate dead as a 2 of.It has 8 rares, but other than a few Reanimate targets what Rares other than Entomb would you include? If they do not put at least two of each of the reanimation spells it is going to be fairly lame at actually reanimating stuff.


Pretty sure Entomb is in it... http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=300501
It's presaling for $20, while the regular one is still $40.
The pictures shows one; the question is are there any more? Will it be cheaper to buy singles or decks and sell of the other stuff...


F&L has been at Target near me for $17.50 for months. I'm hoping the same thing happens with Graveborn, I'd probably pick a few up then. No real need to play Reanimator now, so patience will win out.It only we had Target's here. I would snap up more copies at that price.

[TsumiBand]

F&L had Chain Lightning, which I would consider desirable, expensive, and hard to get. And at the time, it had foil Lavmancers which weren't particularly easy to get either. Sure, neither of those are Entomb, but they're still cards people wanted.

F&L has been at Target near me for $17.50 for months. I'm hoping the same thing happens with Graveborn, I'd probably pick a few up then. No real need to play Reanimator now, so patience will win out.

Dang, I may have to make a trip to Targhetto here in a minute. There's a ShopKo around here that used to not give a damn about the price of their Magic pre-cons/etc, I think I got the pre-con with Jitte in it for like 13 bucks, after everyone realized that Jitte was Jitte. But their F&L was always right at MSRP.. hmm.

When do the decklists for these things come out? I thought I saw someone mention Vindicate in this deck too?

[lyracian]

When do the decklists for these things come out? I thought I saw someone mention Vindicate in this deck too?
Beyond the five cards you can see in the picture it is all speculation. Should get a list next week but you can never be sure...

[dahcmai]

You can pretty much count out Vindicate. You know that card would be right in the front window being proudly displayed if it was in that set. That card is a huge casual players favorite.

The marketing slogan for the set does mention Reanimate and Exhume in the tag line. Seems a gimme for those two to be in. Especially since one of them is an uncommon and the other was a common.

One bad thing is Buried Alive is being listed as a Rare for this thing. : ( Really Wizards? That's cheating us of a rare in my book.

[lyracian]

One bad thing is Buried Alive is being listed as a Rare for this thing. : ( Really Wizards? That's cheating us of a rare in my book.
I have not seen it listed as a rare anywhere. I expect that is just some sites listing the five cards on show without really looking at what they should be.

[Aggro_zombies]

One bad thing is Buried Alive is being listed as a Rare for this thing. : ( Really Wizards? That's cheating us of a rare in my book.
Chain Lightning was listed as a common in F&L and was still displayed on the front of the packaging. I doubt they'd upgrade Buried Alive for this release.

[dahcmai]

It's possible, but SCG seems to think it is. Maybe they just listed it wrong. I hope so, that's annoying if true.

http://sales.starcitygames.com/category.php?cat=5220

[death]

Lol @ $20 foil entombs.

[DragoFireheart]

Lol @ $20 foil entombs.

Time to pick up some entombs...

[lyracian]

It's possible, but SCG seems to think it is. Maybe they just listed it wrong. I hope so, that's annoying if true.
http://sales.starcitygames.com/category.php?cat=5220
They listed all five cards as Rare; I expect they were just in a hurry to get them on the website. It could have been a marketing ploy by them to try and get people to buy thinking they were getting a cheap rare? All will be revealed within about a week; hopefully quicker...

[Brushwagg]

I just looked and they are sold out.

[Mr. Safety]

Anyone else think the dice life-counter in this thing is badass? Entomb aside, I want the dice pretty bad.

[boneclub24]

Anyone else think the dice life-counter in this thing is badass? Entomb aside, I want the dice pretty bad.

That's the main thing I want from this.

[aCatNamedBootsy]

It was said over on MTGS that Cabal Therapy is to be in this deck, with new artwork to boot.

Here's a link to the discussion thread (new art for Cabal Therapy in the OP):

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=332861

[Brushwagg]

Other then that, is there a list out there??

[Offler]

The premium decks now seems really premium. Fire and Lightning was interesting only for few local players, most of them were not interested in foils or had all the cards already.

Very few are interested in slivers... Mostly only those who were willing to rebuilt the premium deck into EDH or Highlander.

Both products are still available in local shop, while the seller is begging me to buy them :)

Graveborn will be much different. Althought Avatar of Woe was recently reprinted in Commander all spoiled cards seems to have decent power level and seems to be very interesting for the new players interested in either legacy, Highlander or other constructed eternal format.

Also the deck seems to be interesting when it comes to play it. Fire, lightning slivers - mostly autopilot decks. Reanimator theme promises more combo fun... Althought easy availability of entomb scares me a bit :)

[DragoFireheart]

As an EDH player and Legacy player, I have use for most of he cards from Graveborn. I need some reanimation spells for my Scion of the Ur-Dragon Commander deck. For Legacy, I need pieces of the deck to make Reanimator.

[boneclub24]

Both products are still available in local shop, while the seller is begging me to buy them :)

How much is Slivers going for? I missed the boat on that one, and it seems like a very good starting point for an EDH deck...

[whienot]

As spoiled from a Spanish website:

21 Swamp
1 Polluted Mire
1 Ebon Stronghold
1 Crystal Vein
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Crosis, the Purger
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Terastodon
1 Verdant Force
1 Blazing Archon
2 Putrid Imp
2 Hidden Horror
1 Faceless Butcher
1 Twisted Abomination
1 Reanimate
1 Entomb
1 Zombie Infestation
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Last Rites
2 Sickening Dreams
3 Exhume
3 Duress
3 Animate Dead
2 Buried Alive
2 Diabolic Servitude
2 Dread Return


Not bad at all.

[Sims]

We were spot on in saying that out of 8 rares, most of them would be creatures.

Can't say I was expecting a 7:1 creature to spell ratio on the rares though.

[death]

As spoiled from a Spanish website:

21 Swamp
1 Polluted Mire
1 Ebon Stronghold
1 Crystal Vein
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Crosis, the Purger
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Terastodon
1 Verdant Force
1 Blazing Archon
2 Putrid Imp
2 Hidden Horror
1 Faceless Butcher
1 Twisted Abomination
1 Reanimate
1 Entomb
1 Zombie Infestation
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Last Rites
2 Sickening Dreams
3 Exhume
3 Duress
3 Animate Dead
2 Buried Alive
2 Diabolic Servitude
2 Dread Return


Not bad at all.

The price is a steal for anyone aspiring to build Reanimator.

[dahcmai]

It's a pretty good buy no matter what. I think I might have to pick up 4 after all.


Kind of bummed that I had just finished my foil play sets of Zombie infestations, Dread Returns, and Putrid Imps though. lol

[Amon Amarth]

Wow that deck looks really good. Foil Crystal Vein? I'm down.

[Gheizen64]

Deck is absurdly good for its price tag. 3 Duresses, 3 animate dead 3 exhume, 1 entomb 1 reanimate? Anyone that want to play reanimator should get this yesterday.

[boneclub24]

Those Duress had better have Urza art lol. Teraston will be wanted for my EDH... same with Exhume and Entomb... oooh I need one of these for sure, now.

[ivanpei]

Holy cow, the deck is good! I'm really glad I've already preordered them!

[dahcmai]

They could have released this one a little less close to Christmas. I don't have the cash for as many as I want.

[boneclub24]

They could have released this one a little less close to Christmas. I don't have the cash for as many as I want.

Heh, I don't have the cash for any because of that :cry: