Vedalken Tribal/Stompy

[Cire]

An idea I had from the [M12] thread that holds promise. This list is pure theory-craft right now. The idea was basically a deck that has this following base:

4 Etherium Sculptor
4 Adaptive Automation
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Master of Etherium
4 Sculpting Steel
4 Copy Artifact

4 Force of Will
4 Chalice of the Void

Giving you Chalice, Force of Will, 8 lords, and 4 Warcheifs, And 12 ways to copy your lords (20 lords!) and or war cheifs.

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Bruizar came up with this list:

//CREATURES
4 Etherium Sculptor
4 Adaptive Automation
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Master of Etherium
4 Copy Artifact
2 Ethersworn Adjudicator

//REST
4 Force of Will
4 Thoughtcast
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

//MANA
3 Mox Opal
4 Seat of synod
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
4 Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
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anyway hopefully this deck can actually be built upon since it does seem like there is a lot of potential

[Greenpoe]

Needs more Tezzeret. Steel Overseer>Etherium Sculptor.

[Cire]

Everyone is suggesting Tezz 2.0 instead of Jace so there's that... If i would have to make changes in Bruizar's list at the moment it would simply be -3 Jace +3 Tezz.

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Steel overseer doesn't share a creature type with Master of E. Which make Adaptive Automation not really a lord, but yeah i see your point as steel overseer is effectivly a lord lord.

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Also i have mixed opinions about Ethersworn Adjudicator as it looks like danger of cool things... perhaps replacing it with the original scuplting steel or sculpter (assuming im replacing sculpter with overseer)

[somethingdotdotdot]

What about grand architect? It's vedalken and many of your creatures are artifacts/blue. It also allows you to power out some of your bigger creatures faster (ie Ethersworn Adjudicator)

[kicks_422]

Yeah, I was just about to suggest Grand Architect. I have a homebrew with that and the Pili-pala combo, with enablers such as Sculptor and Vedalken Engineer. I can go infinite mana for BSZ, or just drop bombs such as Mindslaver and Wurmcoil Engine as early as Turn 3.

[bruizar]

Tezzeret is probably a good suggestion, but I also like Jace. I think that boils down to testing. This deck could support both very well. What I really like is that Tezzeret improves your board a lot more than Jace, and Tezzerets 'Lim dul Vault' digs deeper and is +1, whereas Brainstorm is +0.

What I really like, and want to test/see, is if the copy artifacts can ramp your lands fast enough when you don't have Ethersworn Sculptors in your hand




Needs more Tezzeret. Steel Overseer>Etherium Sculptor.

Steel Overseer is not Vedalken nor is it blue. Steel Overseer is a good card, but I don't think you can cut Etherium Sculptor.

[Cire]

Some one just pointed out how crazy stupid Lodestone gets with all the copy effects...again not a Vedalken but worth thinking about... So far i have this list in my head

3 Mox Opal
4 Seat of synod
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
2 City of Traitors
2 Island
1 Underground Sea
-20 lands

4 Steel Overseer
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Master of Etherium
4 Lodestone
2 Etherium Sculptor
2 Adaptive Automation
- 20 creatures

4 Shaping Steel
4 Copy Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Force of Will
4 Tezzeret 2.0
-20 Other

This is a work of progress of course just trying diffrent stuff out...

[Barook]

I doubt that you're going to use Sculpting Steel often to either copy a Chalice (for 0) or another land.

Considering this, wouldn't be the new Phantasmal Image (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120585&d=1309233685) an alternate option? Despite its drawback, it's one mana cheaper and also pitches to FoW.

[somethingdotdotdot]

I definitely think that 12 copy effects are a bit too much. I tested a list of my own for a while and i found that sculpting steel was just not really worth it. Oftentimes, you end up with a copy effect with nothing to copy. So i think 8 is plenty. Instead of the 4 sculpting steels, i used 4 grand architects which often helps you vomit your hand out. It's not a true lord, but the only thing it doesn't pump are tezz creatures and automaton. I also added in 2 Jace's Archivist as a way to replace excess spells in your hand, ie extra chalices or lands. It sometimes even nets you a card advantage in the process. Overall, i think the deck has a good mid-game when it just craps out lord after lord, but its fairly weak in the beginning with virtually nothing to do on turn 1-2. I think spellskite may help out a bit vs early pressure as well as protecting the early drops. He just doesn't get pumped by most of the lords.

[ThoSha]

Some one just pointed out how crazy stupid Lodestone gets with all the copy effects...again not a Vedalken but worth thinking about... So far i have this list in my head

3 Mox Opal
4 Seat of synod
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
2 City of Traitors
2 Island
1 Underground Sea
-20 lands

4 Steel Overseer
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Master of Etherium
4 Lodestone
2 Etherium Sculptor
2 Adaptive Automation
- 20 creatures

4 Shaping Steel
4 Copy Artifact
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Force of Will
4 Tezzeret 2.0
-20 Other

This is a work of progress of course just trying diffrent stuff out...
Why should anyone play this over Steel Stompy?
Its technically the same deck with worse choices.