Online tournament with Cockatrice

[spedn7]

I am wondering if any one would be interested in a tournament using cockatrice.

[Tsnowflake]

I would be, just putting it out there...

edit: EST, available most weekday evenings.

[unicoerner]

I would play aswell.
We have to make sure that the location fits, because of time zones

[obituary 95]

I am down with a tournament on cockatrace . side idea we could use the port 4748 for the tournament since most people only use port 4747

[spedn7]

i was thinking that the matches could be spread over time to avoid that so it would take much more time then a normal tournament. I was thinking it would be set up like mtgsalvation legacy tournament so a match would have 3 to 4 days to be done to help with every ones schedule. I haven't used port 4748 but that is mainly because no one is ever on it but i haven't had any reliability issues with port 4747.

[Richard Cheese]

I'm down, generally available after 5pm MST.

[.dk]

If i manage to get it installed ever, i'd play.

[LennonMarx]

I'd be on board.

[SpikeyMikey]

I don't like the Cockatrice interface, but after all the spamming that Eric W. fuck has been doing in the last couple of weeks, I can't stand MWS either. So if it's an opportunity to play serious, competitive Legacy without having to try and filter through all the bullshit, I'm down.

[Gambit]

I'd be interested

[Jodahae]

Usually on in the evenings, West Coast times, down to play a tourney definitely.

[Arianrhod]

I might also be interested. EST, for what it's worth.

[lorddotm]

I'm game. I'm on Pacific time, but I can be ready if you let me know the times, etc.

[SpikeyMikey]

Whenever people run these internet tournaments (and this dates all the way back to the days of Apprentice), they always run them over the course of a month or two (usually 1 game a week). This is convenient because it makes it easier for people with busy schedules or in distant time zones to schedule games. However, it makes the results of the tournaments useless. Things change too fast these days. When you're looking for tech for a given meta, you're not looking at decks a month or two old. You're looking at recent SCG T16's. Thus I propose that any such tournament you run be done in a single day, probably on the weekend, late night or early morning so that both Europe and the Americas can play. I mean, we're not going to have enough people to have a 7 rounder. I think everyone can commit 3 hours to a 3-4 round tournament (because let's be honest, rounds probably aren't going to time with only a dozen people).

[Richard Cheese]

Whenever people run these internet tournaments (and this dates all the way back to the days of Apprentice), they always run them over the course of a month or two (usually 1 game a week). This is convenient because it makes it easier for people with busy schedules or in distant time zones to schedule games. However, it makes the results of the tournaments useless. Things change too fast these days. When you're looking for tech for a given meta, you're not looking at decks a month or two old. You're looking at recent SCG T16's. Thus I propose that any such tournament you run be done in a single day, probably on the weekend, late night or early morning so that both Europe and the Americas can play. I mean, we're not going to have enough people to have a 7 rounder. I think everyone can commit 3 hours to a 3-4 round tournament (because let's be honest, rounds probably aren't going to time with only a dozen people).

Why, so we can all bandwagon on the winning decklist for the next SCG Open? Who gives a fuck about the results? It's not sanctioned, it's just good times and good testing. If I'm going to commit 4+ hours to Magic on a weekend, it's going to be interacting people face to face, not staring at a computer screen and worrying about getting disconnected.

[troopatroop]

I like Spikey's idea, a one day thing would be sweet.

I'd be down, don't anybody get your hopes of winning up! :P

[Tsnowflake]

I think the 1 day thing is better than spreading it out over several days/weeks. Its just easier to keep track of imo.

[Jonathan Alexander]

I would also like to play in such a tournament and personally I think that making it a one day event is better than letting rounds go over a week or something. In this case you could basically just run it like a normal tournament, registration starts about one hour before the event and everyone who registers in that time is in the tournament (obviously).

[yaufent]

Another good idea is to search the forums for "CaNG" and it will probably come up with handfuls of threads from the contest (past winners, finalists, etc). There you can see how different those decks and somewhat innovative they were. It usually helps if you know a bit about past metagames and decks, but it can help inspire as well.

[Zork]

I'd be down. EST evenings.

[Tsnowflake]

hey OP, any idea when you wanted to do this?

[kiblast]

I'm the only one having connection problems with Cockatrice?

Also we could use Mws, server mws.tipo1.it which is almost always desert ( only used by the people from Magic League, and very few private games, so it's not used a lot) and by far more stable than the main server ( I think I never had a crash in something like 50 matches ). I think most of us are way more experienced with MWS rather than Cockatrice.

Anyway, I'm in, no time restrictions. I'd say it's better a one-day event.

[dontbiteitholmes]

The point of the week-a-round tournaments is that we get to play across time zones more easily and we can see who would win a source tournament if it was held on neutral ground. If you do it in one day good luck getting to even 10 people unless you offer a sweet prize.

The "relevance" of the decks that do well doesn't really matter anyways. The important thing is the overall result. 90% of the time the winning list of a "relevant" event is irrelevant 7 days later or was already established deck types.

[SpikeyMikey]

The point of the week-a-round tournaments is that we get to play across time zones more easily and we can see who would win a source tournament if it was held on neutral ground. If you do it in one day good luck getting to even 10 people unless you offer a sweet prize.

The "relevance" of the decks that do well doesn't really matter anyways. The important thing is the overall result. 90% of the time the winning list of a "relevant" event is irrelevant 7 days later or was already established deck types.

I understand the theory there. And yes, some time zones are going to be in odd hours when this starts. But I also know that with week long rounds people are going to lose interest, matches aren't going to get played due to scheduling conflicts and you're going to lose people anyway (I've got a vacation in a couple weeks that would make me miss 2 rounds). You set up the time so it's early morning USA and you'll include most of this site. 7AM in Cali is 5PM in England. That's a reasonable time both places.

[Richard Cheese]

I understand the theory there. And yes, some time zones are going to be in odd hours when this starts. But I also know that with week long rounds people are going to lose interest, matches aren't going to get played due to scheduling conflicts and you're going to lose people anyway (I've got a vacation in a couple weeks that would make me miss 2 rounds). You set up the time so it's early morning USA and you'll include most of this site. 7AM in Cali is 5PM in England. That's a reasonable time both places.

Wasn't this done on the Source with MWS a while ago? IIRC, it was not a one-day event, and worked out just fine. With a one-day, timed-rounds event, you are putting yourself completely at mercy of the server and everyone's internet connection.

Also at least one group is always going to get shafted by the time. Getting up at 7am on a Saturday to sit in front of the computer for several hours sucks, as does not making plans on a Saturday night because you've got a Magic tournament that starts at 5-6pm.

If the rounds are timed, who is monitoring that? I guarantee some matches will go to time, because playing online is generally slower, between constraints of the interface and connectivity issues.

I think if everyone really wants to do it like a live event, we need to figure out what time zone everyone is in, then run multiple smaller tournaments to pair people geographically. Perhaps the winner of each of those could move on to a Top x single-elimination event, like a Source World Championships thing.

[daugarten]

I'm in California. I'm down.

[Klazam]

Sounds awesome. I'm in.

[SpikeyMikey]

Wasn't this done on the Source with MWS a while ago? IIRC, it was not a one-day event, and worked out just fine. With a one-day, timed-rounds event, you are putting yourself completely at mercy of the server and everyone's internet connection.

Also at least one group is always going to get shafted by the time. Getting up at 7am on a Saturday to sit in front of the computer for several hours sucks, as does not making plans on a Saturday night because you've got a Magic tournament that starts at 5-6pm.

If the rounds are timed, who is monitoring that? I guarantee some matches will go to time, because playing online is generally slower, between constraints of the interface and connectivity issues.

I think if everyone really wants to do it like a live event, we need to figure out what time zone everyone is in, then run multiple smaller tournaments to pair people geographically. Perhaps the winner of each of those could move on to a Top x single-elimination event, like a Source World Championships thing.

The Source has had a number of MWS tournaments. No Cockatrice tournaments to my knowledge. With the exception of a few people playing in them, nobody paid any attention to the tournaments. Not compact enough to hold people's attention. The Cockatrice server is far superior to the MWS main server in terms of uptime and in my limited playing experience, I've never had a game crash. However, even with MWS, you can easily eliminate the issue of crashes by direct connecting. As long as one player knows how to open a hole in their firewall (or isn't behind one, which is increasingly rare in this day and age).

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that I wouldn't be willing to do a tournament if it wasn't a one day (or two day at the most) thing. I've participated in at least half a dozen of these and even when I'm winning, by the 3rd or 4th week I resent having to schedule YET ANOTHER block of time to play with someone.

I wouldn't mind TOing an event like this, but I don't have access to DCI Reporter (i.e. I'd have to hand pair and I don't like that idea). Does anyone have pairing software for running a Swiss tournament?

[Tsnowflake]

The Source has had a number of MWS tournaments. No Cockatrice tournaments to my knowledge. With the exception of a few people playing in them, nobody paid any attention to the tournaments. Not compact enough to hold people's attention. The Cockatrice server is far superior to the MWS main server in terms of uptime and in my limited playing experience, I've never had a game crash. However, even with MWS, you can easily eliminate the issue of crashes by direct connecting. As long as one player knows how to open a hole in their firewall (or isn't behind one, which is increasingly rare in this day and age).

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that I wouldn't be willing to do a tournament if it wasn't a one day (or two day at the most) thing. I've participated in at least half a dozen of these and even when I'm winning, by the 3rd or 4th week I resent having to schedule YET ANOTHER block of time to play with someone.

I wouldn't mind TOing an event like this, but I don't have access to DCI Reporter (i.e. I'd have to hand pair and I don't like that idea). Does anyone have pairing software for running a Swiss tournament?

Tio tournament organizer (http://allisbrawl.com/tio/) can do round robin, or we could also just do single/double elimination, would be easier to run imo and faster. I could help you TO if its a one day event.

[Gui]

I'm the only one having connection problems with Cockatrice?

I find my lag to be really annoying @ cockatrice, I'm not sure why, but everything takes like 1s to respond. I believe it's connection problem as well.

Good thing is that cockatrice has reconnect.