Stoneblade

[Einherjer]

Hi, idk if this is the right subforum but ok: Is there any1 experienced enough to write an thread/primerlike for Stoneblade with following ways to play UW UWB BW ...

Or not? I mean i could open a thread but maybe some1 else could make it better?



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[Tom T]

Hey!

I've been busy on a primer when I noticed Dahcmai posted a primer for UWR Stoneblade (or 'Patriot') in New and Developmental. I stopped writing it because the thread also discusses UW and UWr decks (without the Magus' and Lavamancers).

If there is enough interest in it, I'll post it. However, for it is a new deck and I'm not experienced enough with playing it it will be quite thin.

~Tom

[Atlanos]

Hey,

Why some list's play Ancestral Vision over Standstill ?
I know Ancestral Vision is independent from the boardposition and is a cc1 spell.
I think first turn on the play is it good, because there are no other cc1 spells and this deck play MM , Force and eventual Daze as Counter)

This are the mainreason's to play Ancestral Vision over Standstill ?

[Hanni]

I think the better question to ask, is there a reason to play either Ancestral Vision or Standstill over Dark Confidant? The deck is already playing creatures, and Dark Confidant has significant advantages over both of the other draw spells since equipment is involved. I can understand the reasoning for not running Dark Confidant in a build running only 4 SFM and 1-2 Batterskulls, but I cannot understand the reasoning to not run him over Visions/Standstill in a deck that runs other creatures and Jitte.

[Jak]

I think the better question to ask, is there a reason to play either Ancestral Vision or Standstill over Dark Confidant? The deck is already playing creatures, and Dark Confidant has significant advantages over both of the other draw spells since equipment is involved. I can understand the reasoning for not running Dark Confidant in a build running only 4 SFM and 1-2 Batterskulls, but I cannot understand the reasoning to not run him over Visions/Standstill in a deck that runs other creatures and Jitte.

No offense meant by this at all, but it's like you disappear for a while and then come back whenever you find a new deck that's "a force in the metagame". This time it's back to Fish. Maybe I'm just crazy though.

[swoop]

don't sweat over this deck, it loses to aluren pretty easily.

thanks.

[Hanni]

No offense meant by this at all, but it's like you disappear for a while and then come back whenever you find a new deck that's "a force in the metagame". This time it's back to Fish. Maybe I'm just crazy though.


I'm a lurker, what can I say? I've been around since 2006 though, so I'm not blind when I see a "force in the metagame." I'm looking at all these Stoneblade decks and the craze surrounding it, and Fish just happens to be a great "Stoneblade" shell. Something wrong with that?

There's a ton of great deck ideas that I stumble across, and then I tune them up. With the Mental Misstep craze, I came back and tuned Blue Zoo (troop's idea). With all the Stoneblade hype, I re-tuned UWb Fish. Were you going somewhere with this, or was this a personal attack?

[Tom T]

I think this isn't what Phillip had in mind when he made the thread. Can we please discuss the need for a Stoneblade primer?

~Tom

[Jak]

I'm a lurker, what can I say? I've been around since 2006 though, so I'm not blind when I see a "force in the metagame." I'm looking at all these Stoneblade decks and the craze surrounding it, and Fish just happens to be a great "Stoneblade" shell. Something wrong with that?

There's a ton of great deck ideas that I stumble across, and then I tune them up. With the Mental Misstep craze, I came back and tuned Blue Zoo (troop's idea). With all the Stoneblade hype, I re-tuned UWb Fish. Were you going somewhere with this, or was this a personal attack?

Not an attack, lol, just an observation that I've seen through the years. But to answer your original question, it probably mostly has to do with black not being splashed to often. I keep seeing red show up and a lot of the time it's just straight UW. Confidant is good though. Blasts and additional aggro hate are hard to pass up though.

[Hanni]

Not an attack, lol, just an observation that I've seen through the years. But to answer your original question, it probably mostly has to do with black not being splashed to often. I keep seeing red show up and a lot of the time it's just straight UW. Confidant is good though. Blasts and additional aggro hate are hard to pass up though.

Oh ok, wasn't exactly sure how to interpret it, and I've been known to be a target for personal attacks in the past. Sorry for the confusion, no harm no foul.

Also, I wasn't discrediting the viability of either red or straight U/W, since both have their advantages and disadvantages. Red is a monster with Grim Lavamancer, and U/W offers a stable manabase. There's many directions to go in; the U/W lists I've seen have been more towards the control spectrum, where a stable manabase is more valuable than anything else. The red splashes tend to be geared towards battling Merfolk, which is a very good idea for the current metagame.

However, when comparing what draw engine to run, if any; Dark Confidant is hands down the best selection in a SFM deck that runs additional creatures and Umezawa's Jitte.

[Eksem]

Stoneforge Mystic and Jace together makes for really good decks, and there should be a general primer. The one for the UWr list in New Decks is well done; but pretty narrow and makes assumptions that do not always match what is being seen in tournament results. Bant, UWr, UWb and UW are and play fairly different and lists within the color categories can differ quite a lot as well; but since the core is the same, a general thread is perhaps more useful until the strongest version is "determined"? The UWr thread is a good starting point, however.

[Atlanos]

@Hanni
I know that Bob would be nice in this deck but i want to play UW.
Can anybody explain why some list's play Ancestral Vision > Standstill.
I just want some reasons because i want to test this deck and i would like to know which card is better for this deck.

[Rizso]

@Hanni
I know that Bob would be nice in this deck but i want to play UW.
Can anybody explain why some list's play Ancestral Vision > Standstill.
I just want some reasons because i want to test this deck and i would like to know which card is better for this deck.

Heard one of the reasons for ancestral vision in favor of standstill was that is was insane vs bad players but less good against good players.

[Hanni]

@Hanni
I know that Bob would be nice in this deck but i want to play UW.
Can anybody explain why some list's play Ancestral Vision > Standstill.
I just want some reasons because i want to test this deck and i would like to know which card is better for this deck.

If you're running Mental Misstep and manlands and want to play dangerously, then I'd say Standstill. If you want a more consistent draw engine, then I'd say run Sensei's Divining Top and a couple copies of either Counterbalance or Predict. Ancestral Visions has its merits, but it's extremely lackluster.

Or the smarter thing could simply be to not worry about running a draw engine, since SFM + Batterskull is already card advantage, as is Jace. I'd say you'd probably be better off just running 4 Top's and no Visions or Standstill's.

[Nihil Credo]

From the newest DTB update, you guys are probably interested:

Pablo[the guy who maintains TCDecks] splits the various Stoneforge Mystic decks into two categories: "Blade Control" [which is a DTB for the month] and "Patriot". Roughly speaking, Patriot is an UWR or UWGR aggro-control deck that plays around a dozen creatures and little if any card drawing beyond a couple of Jaces, while Blade Control is usually UW or UWx, plays about a half-dozen creatures and often features the Landstill card advantage engine, sometimes replaced by Ancestral Visions.

The closest thread we have is dahcmai's Stoneblade primer, which focuses on a UWR style that is much closer to Patriot than Blade Control. Given that Patriot almost made the cut as well, we'll use that thread for the DTB; however, if you're interested in writing a good Blade Control (http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/tipo.php?archetype=Blade%20Control&format=Legacy) primer, you're definitely welcome to do so! Just post it in the DTB forum and send a PM to me or any mod that is online.

[dahcmai]

Nihil, if you want, rename that thread to Patriot to further differentiate them if you like and someone can go ahead and make up one for the more controlling UW "Landstillish" version if they like. I had a couple of people ask me about it, but I didn't play that version for long so I can't comment much on it.

[Zilla]

Closed. There's a primer for StoneBlade here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?21367-DTB-StoneBlade).