SANT - SDD Speed Ad Nauseam / Speed Doomsday

[Cryus]

Hello community,

I will share a deck of mine which i invented about 2 years ago but never made am article about. With the banning of Mental Misstep it is viable again.


About SANT and SDD:

Why should you play SANT or SDD? Lets start with SANT:

As you might suggested the biggest advantage of SANT is its Speed. It is faster then SPI and it seems to be more consistent. Also you dont have to rely on luck as you dont play draw 4s. It forgoes nearly all protection for speed but its worth it and your sidebord will give you an good chance to win against Counter.

SDD:

Its a deck with trys to get Doomsday out as soon as possible. (about 85% first turn) To play shelldock and cast Emrakul with it. This will result in a 3 Turn win most of the time. It can recover from counter and will still race agro and most of the other decks. Its very consistent. This deck can be the sidebord version of SANT or SANT can be the sideboard version of SDD.


Deck lists:

SANT: 60 Cards

Mana Breakdown: 1,35

Lands: 11

Polluted Delta x 1
Marsh Flats x 2
Bloodstained Mire x 2
Verdant Catacombs x 2
Bayou x 4


Creatures: 11

Shield Sphere x 4
Crimson Kobolds x 3
Elvish Spirit Guide x 2
Skyshroud Cutter x 1

Spells: 39

Lion´s Eye Diammond x 4
Lotus Petal x 4
Culling the Weak x 4
Dark Ritual x 4
Cabal Ritual x 4
Chrome Mox x 1
Diabolic Intent x 4
Infernal Tutor x 4
Ad Nauseam x 4
Ill-Gotten-Gains x 1
Tendrils of Agony x 1
Summoner´s Pact x 4



Deck lists:

SANT: 60 Cards

Manabreakdown: 0,97 (If you count Land Grant/Street Wrath and Emrakul as 0 as you dont play them)

Lands: 7

Bayou x 2
Swamp x 4
Shelldock Isle x 1

Creatures: 13

Shield Sphere x 2
Crimson Kobolds x 4
Elvish Spirit Guide x 2
Street Wraith x 4
Emrakul x 1

Spells: 40

Lion´s Eye Diammond x 4
Lotus Petal x 4
Culling the Weak x 4
Dark Ritual x 4
Cabal Ritual x 4
Chrome Mox x 4
Diabolic Intent x 4
Infernal Tutor x 4
Doomsday x 4
Land Grant x 4


Good would be a soft Doomsday Siedboard with only the nessesary tech and anti control cards like:

Xantid Swarm
Back to Nature
Naturalize
Echoing ruin
Cabal Therapy


Thats my Deck. I hope you like it and leave me some comments and of course i will update this article.

mfg Cryus

[1maarten1]

Don't you think 4 ad nauseum is a bit much? Alongside the ESG's and the amount of 2 CMC it seems like you die pretty fast.

[Cryus]

The average amount of cards you can draw is 15+ cards which is always enough. It dosent happen very often, that you die because of the dmg from Ad Nauseam.

mfg Cryus

[DragoFireheart]

This deck needs to be moved here:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?25-New-and-Developmental-Decks (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?25-New-and-Developmental-Decks)

[Julian23]

Isn't that just some sort of Spanish Inqusition? Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition... 8-)

[MVC]

You might aswell play Belcher. It's fun and all to be fast, but running 0 protection leaves you dead to the first Force. And how does your sideboard improve your matchup against counters? If it was this easy, we'd all be playing Belcher.

Also, your DD list seems to have no kill.

[Shax]

I think maybe the name of the game is to try and clutter the Established Decks with as many copies of the same Dark Ritual decks doing the same thing but named differently. Just my take since they usually a handful or cards different, but for some reason they are a completely new take on the Rituals. :really:

[Cryus]

You might aswell play Belcher. It's fun and all to be fast, but running 0 protection leaves you dead to the first Force. And how does your sideboard improve your matchup against counters? If it was this easy, we'd all be playing Belcher.

Also, your DD list seems to have no kill.

I forgot to list Emrakul in the SDD deck^^ Its good that you noticed it =)

@ Sideboard: First of all my Doomsdaydeck recovers very fast from counter cards and you can(should) play doomsday sideboard with more prot like Xanatid Swarm as i said at the bottom of my post. I just showed the speed sideboard because its more than fast.

@ Belcher: Belcher isnt nearly as consitent and most of the time not as fast as this deck.

mfg Cryus

[Philipp2293]

At what rate are you goldfishing turn 1 kills?

[4eak]

Thread moved to N&D. At the very least, this needs a much better opening post to be in the Established forum. You may also want to explain why this is different from SI.


-4eak

[death]

SI has draw4s (Cruel Bargain, Infernal Contract) and chains them into more draw and business spells.

[4eak]

The explanation should include not only 'how' this is different from SI (the draw 4's etc.), but 'why' it is different. Why go for these gameplans instead of SI? As far as I can tell, this is in competition with SI and Belcher (the mostly unprotected combo decks of the format).


-4eak

[thefringthing]

I think maybe the name of the game is to try and clutter the Established Decks with as many copies of the same Dark Ritual decks doing the same thing but named differently. I think some renaming would be sufficient. Separate threads named ANT, TES, Doomsday, and Miscellaneous Tendrils would be good.

[Koby]

I think some renaming would be sufficient. Separate threads named ANT, TES, Doomsday, and Miscellaneous Tendrils would be good.

I honestly think that anything beyond Belcher, ANT, and TES should be directed to the StormBoards. I'm not sure if that falls in line with what the mods have in mind, but at least it reduces clutter.

[herbig]

You use the term "invented" pretty loosely here.

Wouldn't Bayou be better than Land Grant? You'd take less damage off Ad Nauseum, and the storm seems irrelevant.

Oh, I just noticed you're running Street Wraith along with Ad Nauseum. How is that working out for you? Maybe Gitaxian Probe would be strictly, absolutely, no arguments better?

[Cryus]

You use the term "invented" pretty loosely here.

Wouldn't Bayou be better than Land Grant? You'd take less damage off Ad Nauseum, and the storm seems irrelevant.

Oh, I just noticed you're running Street Wraith along with Ad Nauseum. How is that working out for you? Maybe Gitaxian Probe would be strictly, absolutely, no arguments better?


You got it wrong. I play Land Grant only with the Doomsday Deck/Sideboard not while Ad Nauseam is in the deck. The same goes for Street Wraith, which is only in the Doomsday deck. Yes you could Gitaxian Probe(with an anti hate sideboard it would be better). I used Street Wrath because its is black so you can get black mana if you imprint it into Chrome Mox.

mfg

[Cryus]

You use the term "invented" pretty loosely here.

Wouldn't Bayou be better than Land Grant? You'd take less damage off Ad Nauseum, and the storm seems irrelevant.

Oh, I just noticed you're running Street Wraith along with Ad Nauseum. How is that working out for you? Maybe Gitaxian Probe would be strictly, absolutely, no arguments better?


You got it wrong. I play Land Grant only with the Doomsday Deck/Sideboard not while Ad Nauseam is in the deck. The same goes for Street Wraith, which is only in the Doomsday deck. Yes you could Gitaxian Probe(with an anti hate sideboard it would be better). I used Street Wrath because its is black so you can get black mana if you imprint it into Chrome Mox.

mfg

[Final Fortune]

This isn't faster than SI or Belcher, one of the first decks people built when Ad Nauseam was released was this exact deck and it bottle necked on turn 2 because the 5 to 7cc Ad Nauseams were too much on average. Even if you played for speed by using all 0cc artifact creates and Vault of Secrets for Mox Opals the deck still doesn't reach a high threshold of turn 1 wins.

If you want to play a "better" version of this deck, I recommend running all 12 Kobolds for the Chrome Mox imprints and cut the ESGs and IGGs for a full 4 Tendrils of Agony so you have a prayer of beating U decks game one off double Tendrils.

I never thought the deck was better than the alternatives, but it's probably less random than SI considering the Draw 4 chains are swingy and Ad Nauseam is pretty idiot proof.

[Iranon]

I tried this when I was testing any sensible SI variant I could think of (still my favourite deck)... and was disappointed. Slower, less consistent, more vulnerable, less flexible.

I don't even think the Ad Nauseam version is less random than SI overall. Draw4 with 2 mana floating is pretty solid, and getting started is much easier. It's less exhausting to play, but that's a side effect of being less flexible.

[rnightingale]

You use the term "invented" pretty loosely here.


True. This deck will be eaten alive by Zoo and Goblins..

How come that this is "invented" ? Simple, It's like a Frankenstein.. made from parts of SI, Belcher and ANT. LOL.

[rnightingale]

You use the term "invented" pretty loosely here.


True. This deck will be eaten alive by Zoo and Goblins..

How come that this is "invented" ? Simple, It's like a Frankenstein.. made from parts of SI, Belcher and ANT. LOL.

[Cryus]

I changed some cards in my SANT Deck:

- 5 tallmen
+ Summoner´s Pact x 4
+ Skyshroud Cutter x 1

And i changed the lands a bit(because of Skyshroud Cutter, more Bayous and Fetchlands)


I also Goldfished a lot of games with this new version and got 68% T1 wins.
(i havent tested on the draw, and got only a few fail Ad Nauseams)

mfg Cryus