Lending Cards

[dillonkbase]

Just wondering what you guys and gals think is generally fair compensation for lending somebody a completed deck.

Should the compensation be based on the prize support the player wins? The quality or cost of the deck up front?

How would you approach somebody who borrowed your deck and then under compensated you?

[oldbsturgeon]

I might be considered a minority in this situation but I never ask for any type of compensation but instead ask that I can get the same type of courtesy if I wish to borrow something.
In fact I once let a guy borrow a merfolk deck at GP columbus last summer but then told him even if he would do well and make day 2, we HAD to leave at a certain time.
He was obviously not happy, so I gave him the deck.

But more to your sort of thing, if you want some sort of compensation, agree to some amount of the winning, as he couldn't have done it without you literally.
I think one year at states we did 3rds for the boxes we won. For money, I would think you can't ask for nearly as much, or would at least hear more no than yes to your requested fee. Maybe like 10-15% ?

[Koby]

I think that it should go without asking that when someone lends you cards/decks you should make every effort to reward the behavior with good things. This could be a share of the prize won, buying your friend lunch, or other legal/illegal substances that are agreeable.

What irks me are people who freeload, win big, then pretend as though they did it all on their own without compensation you.

[oldbsturgeon]

Oh I wanted to talk about this too.
With the people around me, I am known for giving them good deals in trading, with the idea that in the future, I may get a good deal as well.
The issue with that is the other person has no actual obligation to reciprocate, and if they have no moral issues with it, then all they got was a really killer deal.

[Wirrsturm]

I wouldn't ask for compensation for something that was freely given and cost me nothing to let you borrow.

I might, however, want something to hold on to as a guarantee that my deck is coming back if I don't know the person well.

If someone does want to show their appreciation, I agree that some share of the winnings is fair but really it could be anything, after all the point is to show that they are thankful for your generosity. It isn't some kind of business where your obligated to some fair market value of what they've won.

As for trading, well if you want to give people good deals that's your prerogative. I regularly give away cards I consider not that valuable to player's starting out to help their collection or decks (like dollar/cheap rares). You have to ask yourself why you're doing it. Is it because you're a nice person? Want to help out the community? If it's that you want a good deal in the future it might behove you not to leave that implied premise unstated in making the deal.

I know I would rather trade someone fair value than be indebted to anyone in some notion and would not want my trading partner relying on that idea unless it's something that has been agreed upon.

[mcfarland]

If I'm going to let someone borrow a completed deck (which could be worth thousands of dollars), it means that I trust them as a friend. If they're my friend, I'm doing it to be nice, and I wouldn't expect or want anything in return.

My $.02.

[CorpT]

If I'm going to let someone borrow a completed deck (which could be worth thousands of dollars), it means that I trust them as a friend. If they're my friend, I'm doing it to be nice, and I wouldn't expect or want anything in return.

My $.02.

The flipside to that is that if they're my friend, they should recognize the fact that I loaned them a substantial amount of money and they did well with it, so it would be cool if they threw me some packs or lunch or something.

It's not expected, but it is appreciated. And I'll be honest, the people I loan decks to who give me a few packs for loaning them the deck are more likely to get decks loaned to them in the future.

[bfeingersh]

I do it with the expectation that I be given that courtesy in return later on. I don't ask for any sort of monetary compensation.

That being said, I've had a distant friend's standard deck for 2 months or so and I feel awful about it. We bombed out of a PTQ over the summer and there was a GPT going on later that day, so we traded decks (my Puresteel for his Valakut). He gave me my deck back and left but I was still playing in top 8, then I haven't really seen him in those 2 months. He hasn't responded to anything on facebook or shown up to any events. I saw him one time and told him to take his deck back but he was going out that night and didn't want to carry it around. Now the deck has rotated and I feel super bad about holding onto it D:

[Julian23]

Asking for compensation is completly alien to me. At least in the South-German Legacy community, which I can speak for, 99% of people will lend out decks to almost anyone and feel fine about it.

I remember once showing up to a Vintage tournament without Time Vault and being able to borrow it from someone who had never seen or heared of me before.

Also @ GP Madrid, I borrowed a Moat from a Russian whom I had never met before.

I consider this Legacy's own attempt at "breaking" the reserved list by gladly lending cards / decks to anyone who shows interest in the format.

[HokusSchmokus]

Asking for compensation is completly alien to me. At least in the South-German Legacy community, which I can speak for, 99% of people will lend out decks to almost anyone and feel good about it.

I remember once showing up to a Vintage tournament without Time Vault and being able to borrow it from someone who had never seen or heared of me before.

Also @ GP Madrid, I borrowed a Moat from a Russian whom I had never met before.

I consider this Legacy's own attempt at "breaking" the reserved list by gladly lending cards / decks to anyone who shows interest in the format.
This is the only thing I know, too.
Though I had it twice that the guy I was borrowing Stuff from wanted to know my full name and address.But I think that's only fair since I never saw that guy befor.

[Parcher]

Asking for compensation is completly alien to me. At least in the South-German Legacy community, which I can speak for, 99% of people will lend out decks to almost anyone and feel good about it.

I remember once showing up to a Vintage tournament without Time Vault and being able to borrow it from someone who had never seen or heared of me before.

Also @ GP Madrid, I borrowed a Moat from a Russian whom I had never met before.

I consider this Legacy's own attempt at "breaking" the reserved list by gladly lending cards / decks to anyone who shows interest in the format.

This.

Legacy is still a niche format to some degree. With a high barrier to entry(although a far lower maintenance fee). Lovers of the format have a duty to propagate it. And the easiest way to do that is attending tournaments, and making sure you can help put the best decks in those tournaments.

I have a team that has multiple playsets of every card, so it's never a concern for me. But these guys lend them out just as easily to anyone they know at tournaments. Hell, at SCG Edison, GerryT had three guys we didn't know that all needed a bunch of cards. We were a bit trepedatious about lending Duals and such to unknowns, but Gerry just said, "Hey I'll vouch for these guys. Anything happens and I'm on the hook for the cards. If you can't find them, find me." And we lent them anything they needed. Of course, we got everything back. Which outside of loaning to Kitelosso, is what almost exclusively happens.

As far as compensation, Rocky Balboa said it beat. "Friends don't owe. They do, because they wanna do." If you're worried about getting something for loaning cards, just don't do it.

[oldbsturgeon]

The trading thing is only with one particular person, and he realizes and told me that he knows I am generous and will help me any time he can.
Since this area has at most like 4 actual legacy players, we have to lend out cards to those that don't have and we have to be careful potentially with those people as there have been instances of shadiness, but the people that actually own the cards, we give out freely no problems

[anonymos]

It really depends on who it is and what the prizes are. I don't loan cards to people I don't know. I'm leery like that.

If it's got a big prize (duals etc) I usually request something specific if they win the event. Look at States this weekend. The group of people I'm supplying decks to all know I want the playmat (I collect them).

[Elbeano]

I always end up getting hit up for a deck or two from people in my area for SCG events or whatever be it FNM or just our little Legacy events. Guess thats what I get for having one of the larger card collections in the shop I play at. I barely play anymore though, so Ive become more of a loan service then a player.

Compensation wise I usually dont get much, not that I ask for anything. Though I did loan a friend a couple decks for SCGAtlanta and ended up getting an alter Ill-Gotten Gains and $40 out of it, so that was really nice - same guy who said I was crazy for not demanding something from people.

That all being said, I've abandoned the premise of loaning out single cards as Ive noticed that people tend to swindle you out of them. No matter how good a friend. ( Or they make proxies of Maelstrom Pulses...on the back of Maelstrom Pulses..) A whole deck at least is leverage that Ill simply kill them if I dont get the stuff back.

[cmorndorf]

I don't know if this really applies, but two buddies of mine, and myself, always pool our cards together. My friend religiously plays zoo, but uses some of my duals and 'Goyfs while I borrow some of his Thoughtsiezes and what not.

[Esper3k]

For me, if it's someone I don't know as well, I usually just charge 50% of their winnings.

There's a guy in my area who has a huge card pool that people are always borrowing from. After too many times of cards getting wrecked/lost, he started charging a 10% value of the cards borrowed fee up front and it seems to be working for him.

[nayon]

Why is this even a thread? I never lend a deck to a person that I don't know well, and if I know them well enough then I don't need compensation.

[dillonkbase]

Why is this even a thread? I never lend a deck to a person that I don't know well, and if I know them well enough then I don't need compensation.

So why not lend to somebody you don't know? What could they do to encourage you to lend them a deck?


It's a thread because I thought it would make for an interesting topic.

[UnderwaterGuy]

Are you lending them your deck or renting it to them?

If it was me I'd just be a decent friend and lend it without expectations of anything in return except that someday they'd return the favor. Don't be a prick and charge someone to use your cards.

[ivanpei]

It depends on the crowd honestly. I used to play in a tight knit group and I'd lend out cards/decks without problem just to promote legacy. Of course this was in Sydney and people were honest, friendly and good guys (once I left my 4c threshold at burger king and they passed it back to me). I don't require any compensation though later they tend to give me good deals on trades and throw me random common/uncommon I need for free.

However I'm working in Malaysia now and the exchange rate here makes card prices ridiculous. When a deck costs 3k usd, that's like a month's salary in the us/aus. In Malaysia, that's 3 months salary, so it's a huge chunk of cash.

Factor in that they are many thieves and con men here, I unfortunately have a no lending policy, even to my good friends. Its not that I don't trust them, I don't trust their opponents. Also they have been cases of players borrowing decks then switching out cards and claiming they were never there.

For example you play a list with 4 seas, someone switches out a sea for an island and claims the 4th was never there. I'd advise doing a complete inventory of the entire deck with decklist and all. Then get it signed off by the guy borrowing it. Take some collateral if you have to, like a standard deck etc.

Some other cases are stuff like swapping nm cards for ex/played cards and claiming they were like that/happened during the tournament, which is bs. This is because usually cards get swapped around during team deck building. There is no way the borrower would know whose force of wills belong to who. So don't be surprised if you lent out nm forces and get back ex ones. Sometimes you don't even notice until you pull them out again, which can be weeks later and you can no longer do anything about it.

In my opinion, don't lend to strangers, only lend to friends. And even then, be wary because sometimes people you trust may screw up without knowing it and this can jeopardize your friendship with them.

[Brushwagg]

I loan card out only to people I know all the time. If I don't know you personally then sorry. I also don't ask for anything in return other then if I need something sometime please loan it.

It's up to the person to decide if they want to ask for something in return.

[dillonkbase]

I lend decks to strangers daily, good decks and bad decks... the other night I lent my deck to somebody I didn't know and he wanted to negotiate with me compensation.

This thread is just a hypothetical... I am just interested in what others feel about the matter. Some people are always amazed that I lend my stuff out, others are not.


The guy won the tourney and gave me a foil go for the throat, he took home 50 or so dollars of store credit. I was completely satisfied... I lent the deck with no desires except its safe return, but his offer of go for the throat was appreciated.... it took me time to finance and build the deck.

[Esper3k]

Yeah, there are always people you know, but aren't friends like ones you've had for 20 years, you know? You trust them, but you don't KNOW them. In those cases, especially if I'm lending a large $ value of cards (say lending someone 4 Seas, 4 FoW, 4 Tarmogoyf), then I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask for a cut of any winnings.

The guy I know who started renting stuff, I can fully understand since people actually would lose / wreck his cards and not pay him back.

[deviant]

I just wanted to point out that if you want to get compensated for loaning a deck, it is not loaning a deck, it is renting a deck.

Personally, I think that is just a dick move. People really should try to not be so greedy..

[dillonkbase]

What if you don't want to be compensated... what if they offer to compensate you after you agree to loan them a deck.. Is agreeing to being compensated a dick move?

[Esper3k]

I just wanted to point out that if you want to get compensated for loaning a deck, it is not loaning a deck, it is renting a deck.

Personally, I think that is just a dick move. People really should try to not be so greedy..

Fair enough on the distinction between loaning and renting.

I don't find renting particularly a dick move. I see it as win win since both parties get something out of it.

[Esper3k]

I just wanted to point out that if you want to get compensated for loaning a deck, it is not loaning a deck, it is renting a deck.

Personally, I think that is just a dick move. People really should try to not be so greedy..

Fair enough on the distinction between loaning and renting.

I don't find renting particularly a dick move. I see it as win win since both parties get something out of it.

[betterthenandrew]

I would often lend and borrow individual cards at no cost, even to people I didn't know.

When it comes to complete decks my standard rate was 10% of whatever their prizes, which helps cover my costs (owning cards you aren't using has an opportunity cost) and time spent assembling a deck (and really its a pretty reasonable rate, it can often take up to an hour to assemble and sleeve a t2 deck, especially when it includes rummaging for commons/uncommons). Also you can't discount the lost ability to trade those cards during the event.

Additionally because I was getting a percentage of winnings I would generally favor the better players when I had multiple players wanting decks. Also because I got a percentage i had an incentive to perfect their lists (on occasion the lists would be of my construction, sometimes they would ship me their 75 card list).

If you don't want to borrow my decks NBD, don't. You are welcome to buy/borrow elsewhere. I won't be offended. I don't care at all if people dislike my system, it always worked for me.

[dahcmai]

I only lend out decks to friends for one. Lending to strangers is asking for a stolen deck or an accidental walk out.

Even with friends I still won't lend out a deck if it's considered cheesy if you played it against a kid's pet deck. No Storm, Belcher, High Tide, or similar nastiness. I'm not going to contribute to running off kids. I may play Storm myself and have no problem with people playing combo (though I personally hate Belcher), but I'm not going to help it along when I know how hated it is. I tend not to play it if there's too many kids showing up. It's just a little mean, especially when the only people who would play it are also the ones who play it "extremely" well.

I don't ask for anything in return, just return the cards before the day is up.

I did once lend my personal fully powered 5 color control deck loaded with goodies to a kid for a 12 and under tournament once. He was an arrogant little ass and I wanted to prove a point. Just because you have all the expensive cards doesn't mean you win. He went 0-3 drop of course. 5 color control wasn't easy to play even back then. : ) That was probably the only exception to my lending of super powered decks out. I don't normally lend out power ever.

[nayon]

So why not lend to somebody you don't know? What could they do to encourage you to lend them a deck?


It's a thread because I thought it would make for an interesting topic.

I've been burned repeatedly by lending to people I don't know well enough, so no way will I ever lend something to a person I don't know.

[Malchar]

Personally, I think that is just a dick move. People really should try to not be so greedy..

Which one is a dick move? Asking to use someone's $500 deck for free, or offering to rent a deck for a fraction of its value?

[Purgatory]

My Legacy collection isn't that big, but I have all the blue fetches and duals, for example, so I sometimes lend out off-colour duals I'm not using for the event in particular. I only lend cards to friends, however, and I never carry around thousands of dollars worth of "extra" cards in case a stranger were to ask me to borrow a bunch of stuff. I never ask for anything in return, the reciprocity lies in being able to borrow stuff when I need it, which is rare but it happens at times.

[CorpT]

Another thing:

Renting implies that win or lose, I get a cut.

Loaning with compensation doesn't.

[CoryWM]

I generally award 50% of my winnings to my sponsor. They provide the deck or the entry fee. If they provide both. I award them 70%.

In reality there is at least an investment of $1000 to the deck you're going to use. 10% of a payout of $500 is really small. $50 is nothing compared to you getting $450. Even more so if they is a weekly tournament with lets say $80 for first. $8 doesn't offer much of an incentive to the loaner.

If you pay out your prizes generously. You simply tell them what deck you want to play , what build etc, and it'll be waiting for you at the tournament. Instead of showing up at the last minute and asking if anyone has a deck for loan. Those two things are very different. On 1 hand I can play the best deck for the metagame I've decided. The other hand lets me play the tournament with the least in favor deck. My chances of winning are heavily skewed depending on the leftover decks.

Besides, if you're really worried about the prize payout for yourself, pony up the money to buy the cards that'll allow you to win said prize. The people loaning the deck are doing YOU a favor, not the other way around.

[CorpT]

If you pay out your prizes generously. You simply tell them what deck you want to play , what build etc, and it'll be waiting for you at the tournament. Instead of showing up at the last minute and asking if anyone has a deck for loan. Those two things are very different. On 1 hand I can play the best deck for the metagame I've decided. The other hand lets me play the tournament with the least in favor deck. My chances of winning are heavily skewed depending on the leftover decks.

That's a real easy way to irritate a potential loaner. Half the time someone wants to borrow a deck, they expect me to drop everything I'm doing so they can scramble and get it put together for them at the last minute. In that case, I usually offer them a pretty stock Dredge list I've got put together. If someone tells me exactly what they need in advance and then work with me to put it together, I'm a lot more likely to be willing to loan them cards.

[dahcmai]

Well, if I'm covering an entry fee AND a deck at the same time, I'm taking a good 80% if not the whole thing. You're asking to play in a tournament for free, there shouldn't be much arguing over that. It's hard to really expect to ask people things like that without a huge cut. Wear and tear if anything.

I'm definitely a fan of covering for people's fees for pre-releases if I get to keep the cards. : )

[kombatkiwi]

Well, if I'm covering an entry fee AND a deck at the same time, I'm taking a good 80% if not the whole thing. You're asking to play in a tournament for free, there shouldn't be much arguing over that. It's hard to really expect to ask people things like that without a huge cut. Wear and tear if anything.

I'm definitely a fan of covering for people's fees for pre-releases if I get to keep the cards. : )

Im definitely a fan of having people cover my prerelease fees even if they get to keep the cards :P

The last time I lent a deck to someone it actually smelled like him when I got it back so I think im going to have to start asking people to pay for new sleeves

[Koby]

Im definitely a fan of having people cover my prerelease fees even if they get to keep the cards :P

The last time I lent a deck to someone it actually smelled like him when I got it back so I think im going to have to start asking people to pay for new sleeves

Institute a policy of "Gamer funk will not be tolerated. You will be Axed."

[kombatkiwi]

Institute a policy of "Gamer funk will not be tolerated. You will be Axed."

Hahaha

Another thing is that one time I lent a savannah to someone and Im pretty sure the one he gave me back was in worse condition (not by a huge amount, otherwise it would've been too obvious, but I realised when I got home) so now when lending out single cards I always compare its condition with the other ones in the deck

Continuing my bad run of lending cards I gave somebody a surgical extraction in the weekend and I forgot to pick it up afterward - not too bad, but this player flew out to china the next day! I completely trust this guy and think it was just an unlucky accident.

Also depending on what cards I lend out does depend on what I'm playing at the event as well, because in auckland the events are really small.

*Writing out Dredge decklist*
"Hey liam, can I borrow some leylines?"
"No."

[Goin Aggro]

Personally, I don't think it's a good policy to constantly ask FRIENDS to compensate you for borrowing a deck. However, I'll also tag on the rider to that that if they are really your friends, (Sorry, no other non-cheesy phrase I can use here) they should get the hint that you're doing them a favor and attempt to reciprocate in some manner.

I wouldn't lend out decks to strangers or people that I don't know that well unless they left me the complete value of the deck or damn near close to it in desirable collateral, (Or I have something else, a known address or other leverage.) (Pros excepted, I'm pretty sure LSV and that calibre of player are trustworthy dudes, if not, you know where they play)

[umbowta]

My policy is to never lend cards at all. I once had a good friend of mine ask to borrow my "It's the Fear" deck, complete with sideboard. That deck is around...$2000! I wouldn't ever ask someone to loan me a deck like that and I sure won't loan mine out either.

Tell them to go buy their own cards. If they can't afford their own cards then they can't afford to replace yours either.

[mcfarland]

My policy is to never lend cards at all. I once had a good friend of mine ask to borrow my "It's the Fear" deck, complete with sideboard. That deck is around...$2000! I wouldn't ever ask someone to lone me a deck like that and I sure won't loan mine out either.

Tell them to go buy their own cards. If they can't afford their own cards then they can't afford to replace yours either.

Man, I wish you were my good friend.

[DragoFireheart]

My policy is to never lend cards at all. I once had a good friend of mine ask to borrow my "It's the Fear" deck, complete with sideboard. That deck is around...$2000! I wouldn't ever ask someone to lone me a deck like that and I sure won't loan mine out either.

Tell them to go buy their own cards. If they can't afford their own cards then they can't afford to replace yours either.

- Agree with this. Unless they can show they can replace your cards, they really shouldn't be asking to borrow in the first place. If they really want to borrow a deck, I lend them my burn deck.

[dahcmai]

Oh that's another point. I will gladly lend out a deck to friends that I am testing to get some input on it. Usually, they are serious piles of crap ideas that I had. Weird off color control decks, aggro blue, LD goblins, and of course checking to make sure mill still sucks.dec. Is it actually helpful to hear opinions on them though. I tried out a standard mill deck that seemed really good on paper. Horrid shit in practice. Ah well, it was funny watching it get stomped. He did pull out one game which had to be supremely embarrassing to lose to.


Anyone may borrow "Laser Sharks" too. It's a Sorrow's path deck that wins with said named card and Giant Shark. If you win the entire tournament with it, I'll buy you a beer. It's been done once, but only by me. See pimp thread somewhere for the deck. lol It's true crap, but damned that deck is fun and pimped beyond reason. ie. summer cards, Candelabras, betas. I don't have to keep an eye on that one getting lent out, it draws a crowd just to see if people can play it. Local thing. It's like ordering the giant hamburger to eat in one sitting.

[BWM]

I ask for a cup of coffee after round two.

[thecrav]

We've got a pretty tight-knit core of players in our Legacy tournaments. Most of them lend around without asking for compensation. I think part of this is that everyone knows eachother so we know we'll return 'em or pay the price - and this unfortunately has happened.

I've borrowed cards ranging from a blue blast to an Ancestral Recall and never been asked to compensate in any way.

The only time I've asked for compensation was when I lent someone a full deck that I had to buy a few cards in order to complete. [I didn't have the eight Dazes required for both of us to compete] He ended up not showing up and I wanted to kick him in the dick for wasting my time rebuilding the deck and buying new cards for it.

[Sloshthedark]

Its common lending cards without compensation in my community, when it comes to whole deck payout ranges from voluntary compensation to 70% of prices if won some

[TheShaun]

My typical situation depends on if it's a good friend, or just somebody who plays in the area that I know, but not really well. I don't lend stuff to people I don't know, seen stuff disappear too often. For good friends, they can borrow any card/deck that I'm not using without any concern. Typically if a whole deck is borrowed and the person makes some prize, they give a portion of the prize to the loaner. I've never seen it stated ahead of time, just a way of saying thanks.
For people I know but am not good friends with, I've sometimes but not always seen some kind of collateral offered. I was borrowing like $500 worth of cards (sad that it was only like 10 cards) from a guy, and I told him he could hold on to one of my other decks for the duration of the tournament to know that I'd be bringing his stuff back. I've only seen this happen when the value is pretty high and the people don't know each other very well. For the most part, I'll hand cards out no problem to people, as long as I know that I am capable of tracking them down in the future.

[Elbeano]

My policy is to never lend cards at all. I once had a good friend of mine ask to borrow my "It's the Fear" deck, complete with sideboard. That deck is around...$2000! I wouldn't ever ask someone to loan me a deck like that and I sure won't loan mine out either.

Tell them to go buy their own cards. If they can't afford their own cards then they can't afford to replace yours either.

I lent a buddy here Team America and he handed me a deck box with duals, a Mox Pearl, and a Black Lotus as compensation...I subsequently dont usually have to deal with people being unable to replace stuff.

[Einherjer]

I only lend to my best friend (neighbour) but he can chose from all the decks I got... except the one Ill be playing. So from Merfolk to Rock to Deadguy to..... yeah you know :) Everything:P

[Smea.gol.lum]

Is someone willing to lend me 4 Wastelands, 3 Null Rods and 3 Extirpates ?

In exchange I would borrow you 50 Euro to show my will to give the cards back :P

[Picc]

Is someone willing to lend me 4 Wastelands, 3 Null Rods and 3 Extirpates ?

In exchange I would borrow you 50 Euro to show my will to give the cards back :P

If you were someone I knew IRL then sure Id be happy to.

[luckme10]

I'm a fan of lending for sexual favors. Married life gets pretty slim pickings.

[Esper3k]

I'm a fan of lending for sexual favors. Married life gets pretty slim pickings.

Our store has some hot Poke-moms. We need to get their kids into MTG. Baby needs a set of Tamogoyfs, not Charizards!

[thecrav]

Our store has some hot Poke-moms. We need to get their kids into MTG. Baby needs a set of Tamogoyfs, not Charizards!

Make 'em say ugh! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZvzIOO6aU)

[Admiral_Arzar]

Our store has some hot Poke-moms. We need to get their kids into MTG. Baby needs a set of Tamogoyfs, not Charizards!


Make 'em say ugh! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZvzIOO6aU)

So once upon a time there was a Pokemon tournament while some friends of mine were testing Legacy. He plays a Bojuka Bog and announces "Bukkake Bog" in a normal voice. A hot Poke-mom whirls around and says "Oh my god don't say that in front of the kids!" He replies "They don't know what that means. Wait a sec...how do YOU know what that means?" Anyways...

EDIT: The proper play here was probably to ask what she was doing that night...

[Esper3k]

So once upon a time there was a Pokemon tournament while some friends of mine were testing Legacy. He plays a Bojuka Bog and announces "Bukkake Bog" in a normal voice. A hot Poke-mom whirls around and says "Oh my god don't say that in front of the kids!" He replies "They don't know what that means. Wait a sec...how do YOU know what that means?" Anyways...

EDIT: The proper play here was probably to ask what she was doing that night...

Man, you play with a bunch of sickos...

[Admiral_Arzar]

Man, you play with a bunch of sickos...

Yeah, it's really bad actually. Unfortunately, I don't think the purveyor of "bukkake bog" is on the source, otherwise he might have something to say about that.

[Esper3k]

Yeah, it's really bad actually. Unfortunately, I don't think the purveyor of "bukkake bog" is on the source, otherwise he might have something to say about that.

I think I'm the one who actually told him that term (he didn't know the actual name of the card for the longest time because of that).