[SCD] Quiet Speculation

[blaat]

Hi people,

I was doing some testing with Past in Flames in a storm build with Quiet Speculation.
Sort of works, but not that fancy.

Then I came across the new Innistrad card Army of the Damned
Together with Past in Flames, I could cast Tendrils + Army almost always when going off, due to the amount of rituals.
Works like a charm, but not really better than existing storm.

Looking for some other tech, I found the following 2-card combo:

Quiet Speculation
Spellweaver Helix

Examples:
4U pile: Quiet Speculation for Cabal Therapy, Cabal Therapy and Army of the Damned.
Cast Spellweaver Helix, exiling Army and Therapy, flashback therapy for 13 2/2 tokens.

5UU Pile: Same stuff, but Cabal Therapy replaced by Deep Analysis so you don't need a creature in play.

Sure, there are endless piles, but most flashback cards are too expensive or really suck.

+ The colors UB are of course very good at the disruption level.
+ The combo doesn't require you to do everything in the same turn.
+ You can use other sorcery cards to imprint if you have them already in hand and graveyard.
+ Compared to Empty the Warrens you don't need storm and these zombies are bigger.
- Suffers from grave hate (but your colors help a lot, discard, counter and stifle)
- Tapped tokens or waiting for the attack turn can be a problem, but I guess you are doing something wrong then.

Is this viable at all or just Tier20?
Discuss...

[Malchar]

Compared to empty the warrens, army of the damned can be countered.

[TsumiBand]

I think if any card thus far has given Quiet Speculation a chance to be playable it's Past in Flames, but I don't know if Spellweaver Helix fits into the equation. In a perfect world where mana costs and graveyard hate don't matter, QS with an active PiF effect is a draw 3. But so is Intuition. I still think Intuition just does more things better than QS. Although if there is a deck to be made of abusing flashback with Past in Flames, it'll probably run QS and Intuition.

[MDB]

I did see a vintage list a couple of years ago, came 2nd/3rd in a decent sized tourney.

Played the spellweaver helix/ quiet speculation combo, pretty much as you suggested.
It used Crush of Wurms in conjunction with cabal therapy.

So it is viable, though perhaps not in legacy.

[Nameless Two]

Quiet Speculation for 3 Moment's Peace can be pretty sweet too if stalling is what you need. And Ray of Revelation/Ancient Grudge/Coffin Purge tutoring is always fun.

But yeah Intuition is pretty good with that stuff too...

[Clark Kant]

Meh... I would rather just play natural order. That's a one card combo rather than a two card combo. Takes up fewer slots and uses up less mana as well.

[JustPAT4]

Meh... I would rather just play natural order. That's a one card combo rather than a two card combo. Takes up fewer slots and uses up less mana as well.

This was useful...

It's hard to imagine a QS list being superior to existing storm decks (it might be interesting if you could support FoW, though...hmm...) especially because of Army of the Damned being so easily counter-able.

The interaction you point out is pretty fucking cute though. Definitely interesting, but it seems like an alternate win-con because of the necessity of having helix in play which will likely be awkward more often than not.

It doesn't strike me as being viable at the competitive level on the surface, but I could be wrong. I'd love to see a sample list to figure out how fast/consistent a deck like this could be and what kind of protection package it could reasonably run without sacrificing too much consistency/speed.

Cheers