lordofthepit
11-08-2011, 04:47 AM
I wanted to make sure I understood the following scenarios correctly:
1) Golgari Grave-Troll and 7 other creatures are in the graveyard. Dread Return is hardcast, targeting Golgari Grave-Troll. When Dread Return resolves, GGT is put into play with 8 +1/+1 counters on it, since the last thing it "saw" as it came into play included itself in the graveyard.
2) Golgari Grave-Troll and 7 other creatures are in the graveyard. Dread Return is played via its flashback cost, and three non-token creatures are sacrificed to play. When Dread Return resolves, GGT is put into play with 11 +1/+1 counters on it, since the three non-token creatures are put into the graveyard as part of the cost of playing Dread Return; upon subsequent resolution of DR, GGT sees the 7 other creatures, itself, and the three new creatures as it is being put into play.
3) Cabal Ritual and six other spells are in the graveyard. Snapcaster Mage resolves, with the trigger giving CR flashback. CR is cast; when it resolves, does BBB or BBBBB get added? Initially, I assumed it would have Threshold because of the GGT case, but in cases #1 and #2, GGT wasn't the card being cast (and thus moved from the graveyard to the stack). In this case, I assume CR is moved from the graveyard to the stack, so that when CR resolves, it sees only 6 cards in graveyard?
4) This is probably identical to case #3, but Ghastly Demise and six other spells are in the graveyard. Ghastly Demise gains flashback and is played for its flashback cost; can it kill a 6/7 Tarmogoyf?
1) Golgari Grave-Troll and 7 other creatures are in the graveyard. Dread Return is hardcast, targeting Golgari Grave-Troll. When Dread Return resolves, GGT is put into play with 8 +1/+1 counters on it, since the last thing it "saw" as it came into play included itself in the graveyard.
2) Golgari Grave-Troll and 7 other creatures are in the graveyard. Dread Return is played via its flashback cost, and three non-token creatures are sacrificed to play. When Dread Return resolves, GGT is put into play with 11 +1/+1 counters on it, since the three non-token creatures are put into the graveyard as part of the cost of playing Dread Return; upon subsequent resolution of DR, GGT sees the 7 other creatures, itself, and the three new creatures as it is being put into play.
3) Cabal Ritual and six other spells are in the graveyard. Snapcaster Mage resolves, with the trigger giving CR flashback. CR is cast; when it resolves, does BBB or BBBBB get added? Initially, I assumed it would have Threshold because of the GGT case, but in cases #1 and #2, GGT wasn't the card being cast (and thus moved from the graveyard to the stack). In this case, I assume CR is moved from the graveyard to the stack, so that when CR resolves, it sees only 6 cards in graveyard?
4) This is probably identical to case #3, but Ghastly Demise and six other spells are in the graveyard. Ghastly Demise gains flashback and is played for its flashback cost; can it kill a 6/7 Tarmogoyf?