Stolen Homura dies.

[Offler]

Homura, Human ascendant was stolen from its original player, and was under control of a different player in his creature form.

Then he died.

The controller then referred that he will return back under his control. Therefore I looked at the card carefully:

Homura, Human Ascendant can't block.

When Homura dies, return it to the battlefield flipped.

New gatherer wording... Generally it will go to its owners graveyard and then his ability triggers and returns him to play, but its not specified who will control him. The owner of the card, or its controller at time he died.

Also that ability is trigerred ability not a replacement effect. If replacement effect (if it will die flip it instead) it would work in way when its controller will keep him althought flipped. However with current wording then it has to enter its owner grave, and then return to battlefield. It was just point of discussion what exactly means "return".

Who will control flipped Homura after his death? Its owner, or his current controller?

Thanks.

[Koby]

Trigger events that involve objects changing zones are called "zone-change triggers." Many abilities with zone-change triggers attempt to do something to that object after it changes zones. During resolution, these abilities look for the object in the zone that it moved to. If the object is unable to be found in the zone it went to, the part of the ability attempting to do something to the object will fail to do anything. The ability could be unable to find the object because the object never entered the specified zone, because it left the zone before the ability resolved, or because it is in a zone that is hidden from a player, such as a library or an opponent's hand. (This rule applies even if the object leaves the zone and returns again before the ability resolves.) The most common zone-change triggers are enters-the-battlefield triggers and leaves-the-battlefield triggers.


Leaves-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent moves from the battlefield to another zone, or when a phased-in permanent leaves the game because its owner leaves the game. These are written as, but aren't limited to, "When [this object] leaves the battlefield, . . ." or "Whenever [something] is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, . . . ." An ability that attempts to do something to the card that left the battlefield checks for it only in the first zone that it went to. An ability that triggers when a card is put into a certain zone "from anywhere" is never treated as a leaves-the-battlefield ability, even if an object is put into that zone from the battlefield.

The current controller of the Homura creature would be the controller of the Homura enchantment, since you are the controller of the effect that's on the stack.

[Offler]

I see. The ability trigerred once the homura left the battlefield, not when it entered grave... That defines the controller of the ability.

While in the ability is not specified "under its owner control" it could return to any player who triggered the flip. That makes more sense. Thanks.