the source playmats

[r3dd09]

What ever happened to making more of those? I definitely wanted one, any info on this?

[dahcmai]

I wanted one also, though I think the idea got killed somewhere along the line.

[hyc8028]

Also want couple for me and my friends as well. Who do I talk to if I want to purchase these?

[cdr]

Look forward to GP Indy (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=grandprix), if nothing else.

[Julian23]

When printing some of these, please reserve one for me as well. I will cover for the actual cost + shipping!

[GGoober]

Count me in. I would like the same design as the old mat. It's an incredibly good looking playmat :D

[UnderwaterGuy]

Count me in. I would like the same design as the old mat. It's an incredibly good looking playmat :D

what did it look like?

anyone got pics?

[sdematt]

It looked like the Source banner, but made into a playmat.

-Matt

[dsck]

When printing some of these, please reserve one for me as well. I will cover for the actual cost + shipping!

+1

[The Pharmacist]

I'd like one as well

[obituary 95]

I'd like one as well

i would like one as well

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

I'd like one, too.

[PhanTom_lt]

When printing some of these, please reserve one for me as well. I will cover for the actual cost + shipping!

Me too.

[TheMightyQuinn]

I would also be interested in purchasing one.

[cdr]

If/when playmats are made again, making enough for everyone will be a priority.

[Tammit67]

What ever happened to making more of those? I definitely wanted one, any info on this?

I was lucky enough to get one, and it looks INCREDIBLE. Thanks a lot Chuck.

The issue is with the copyright'd images, so something else would have to be produced if it cannot be gotten around.

[r3dd09]

If anyone is willing to sell their mat, I'd pay more than you bought it for

[wolfstorm]

I would buy one.

[dan who?]

I would def be interested as well. I am hoping to make it to the GP barring money/B&R update so hopefully I can get one then =D

[kiblast]

I'd buy one (I'll cover shipping cost, obv.).

[SmallFish]

Count me in as well!

[Fry]

Most decidedly interested in aquiring one of these mats!

[entity]

I want one too :)
Seems like there are a lot of people who want, but is there anyone who could organize the making of these?

[SpikeyMikey]

I was lucky enough to get one, and it looks INCREDIBLE. Thanks a lot Chuck.

The issue is with the copyright'd images, so something else would have to be produced if it cannot be gotten around.

Not that I would want to tempt fate, but it seems pretty unlikely that Wizards would take action even if they knew. I mean, it's not like anyone here is producing playmats as their livelihood. Filing a suit against a group of fanatical fans/consumers would be kind of stupid. Of course, Wizards has a track record littered with stupid moves, so take that with a grain of salt, but still, I'd be pretty impressed. It'd be like shutting down granny's bridge circle and slapping her in jail for 15 years under gambling laws.

[Resist_Temptation]

I know this thread has been dead for a while, but is there anyone that currently has a Mtgthesource playmat that they are looking to get rid of, or did the site find a way to make more? Because I have been looking for one for a while.

[WorstBandNameEver]

I got excited. I thought someone was going to organize the printing of these again when the thread was old. Is there enough interest to organize a printing of these again. I saw one at a SCG event a few months back and they look really nice.

[(nameless one)]

Why can't we just get someone to make them, just send them the money.

It's not like you're mass selling it and making profit out of it.

[WorstBandNameEver]

Why can't we just get someone to make them, just send them the money.

It's not like you're mass selling it and making profit out of it.

Ink Playmats does mats for $25 if you have the art and layout. I guess we would all need that original art. I guess there is also some value in making an updated one if people are opposed to recreating the old one.

[Megadeus]

Havent we established that WOTC asked them to stop because they were using magic art?

[rockout]

I have one. Just wish mental misstep didn't get banned a month after the printing of the playmat. Also, screw you hymn to tourach.

[PhanTom_lt]

Ink Playmats does mats for $25 if you have the art and layout. I guess we would all need that original art. I guess there is also some value in making an updated one if people are opposed to recreating the old one.

Can we do this please?

[Julian23]

I'd definitely buy a used/new one. Does anyone have a picture of the layout? I remember what it looks like but I'd love to see a jpeg or something.

[Loxmatii]

If you give menig jpeg or tif, i can bring several playmats with me to Bazar of Moxen
it will cost near 40-50$ for each. My friend in Moscow print playmats

[ween]

Assuming there's another round made, will be in for one, whatever the cost.

[sdematt]

Assuming there's another round made, will be in for one, whatever the cost.

I agree with this. I bought 6 at Providence but I don't care. I want MORE.

Also, a Bazaar of Moxen playmat would be great.

-Matt

[thecrav]

Havent we established that WOTC asked them to stop because they were using magic art?

The issue was that Wizards considered delivering something at a GP that had already been paid for would require that whoever was delivering them was a registered (read: paid) vendor.

[kingsey]

I am 100% in to buy one.

[WorstBandNameEver]

Is it possible for someone to find or recreate the graphics?

I checked Inkplaymats again, and they will do bulk orders at $300 for $25. That's about $12 a piece. That seems like quite a deal.

http://www.inkedplaymats.com/products/bulk-order-special

I would be happy to contact them for further information.

Update - I talked to the representative of the group and I got further information on their bulk rate.

The prices are as follows:
25 mats $12/ mat
50 mats $10/mat
75 mats $9/mat
100 mats $8/mat
250 mats $7/mat
500+ mats $6/mat

[nedleeds]

I got a custom from inkedplaymats and it turned out awesome.

[Megadeus]

Im down to get one, but I thought that there was a legal reason these mats stopped coming...

[WorstBandNameEver]

Im down to get one, but I thought that there was a legal reason these mats stopped coming...

I think there is an issue because it was done on a large scale and distributed at a GP. If we can just get the original image, we can independently contact a person who make playmats to make them for us. I know it's not as awesome as an organized effort, but it seems like this is the best way to stay below the radar, both for us and the people making the playmats.

Does anyone know who did the original layout for the playmat?

Would anyone be interested in a new source mat without the art? That would be easier to do on a larger scale I think.

[Stoyrm]

Does anyone have a picture of the old one? I might be interested in buying into this :D

[rxavage]

There is always talk about this and nothing ever comes to fruition but I'm still hoping.

[PhanTom_lt]

Anyone knows where to get High Resolution card arts for those? Might try my hand at making one myself.

[sdematt]

I can try to find a scanner big enough to house my playmat...

-Matt

[WorstBandNameEver]

Anyone knows where to get High Resolution card arts for those? Might try my hand at making one myself.

It seems like having people commission there own at will isn't a bad thing. That does not put the burden on one person to sign off that they had right to use the images.

[Kayradis]

I'd be more than interested to have one of those.
So, what's the word on the street? Is anybody gonna do the thing with Inkedplaymats?

Lemme know!

[ween]

If we can get a HQ scan made available, then anyone who wants one can order it from inkedplaymats.

Rather than someone ordering 30, and having to manage shipping to 7 different countries.

[ramanujan]

Good Morning,

I thought I might pitch an idea that I had while reading this thread. I will get to the idea in a minute but I wanted to begin by sharing my interpretation of the issue. For what it is worth, I thought that there was a copyright issue involved if we use actual card images in the playmats. I confess that my memory isn't perfect and that I was not "in the know" when this issue was brought forth a while back so if I am wrong, sorry.

Anyway, I think that it might be a good idea to commission someone to do the art for the playmat. The image could pay homage to other art without being a copy. This would be good for a couple obvious reasons.

1. It would be an image that would belong to the mtgthesource community.
2. The cost of the commission would be mitigated by spreading it over all people wanting a playmat.

I cannot speak for the artist I have in mind as I have not pitched the idea to him yet, but I would highly reccomend Tom Gartin. He is a personal friend and a great guy. His work is of the highest quality in my mind and I know that he would do a great job with the project. I personally own one of his playmats (It has a Scion of UR-Dragon facing off against Zirilin of the claw in the form of a marianette (sp) Nichol Bolas fight with a puppet Moltensteel dragon) and it is amazing.

If the community thinks that this idea has merit, maybe we could get an approximate count of the number of playmats needed and go from there.

Peace

[Kirika]

I would be interested in getting a source playmat if it had the old picture from the old mats. Might be interested in a new art mat depending on what it turned out to be.

[Fry]

I would be interested in getting a source playmat if it had the old picture from the old mats. Might be interested in a new art mat depending on what it turned out to be.

Exactly my thoughts.

[Mr.C]

I can try to find a scanner big enough to house my playmat...

-Matt

Scan it in pieces; they can probably be joined in photoshop.

[cdr]

Hi - I spearheaded the design and production of the GP Providence source playmats, and unsurprisingly still have the original image.

WotC takes their copyrights seriously since they are a part of the Hasbro megacorp - the single most profitable part, in fact.

WotC asked very nicely that their copyrights not be used on physical products without permission. UltraPro has paid to exclusively license WotC copyrights for playmats (and sleeves, etc). No more of the GP playmat design or similar will be produced unless something is worked out through UltraPro. The GP design was always intended to be limited anyway, albeit not quite as limited as it ended up.

A plain logo design has been done and I'm considering going forward with that since there is demand. There are other ideas I've worked on, but I don't have a lot of time to devote to it and am semi-retired from MTG.

[WorstBandNameEver]

Well, it seems like getting the old mat is not going to happen. I think commissioning someone to do the work and having the source logo there would be pretty nice. We could also do a larger, discounted order in bulk as there are no copyright concerns. I guess it's a matte of how much the artists work will cost?

[Kayradis]

The questions at this point are :
-Who's seriously interested and WILLING to throw a deposit for it?
-Who's gonna be the artist for the art?
-Any specific ideas in regards of design?

[damionblackgear]

The questions at this point are :
-Who's seriously interested and WILLING to throw a deposit for it?
-Who's gonna be the artist for the art?
-Any specific ideas in regards of design?

I see no reason why the community could help with these. There are tons of us on the source who are into magic. All of you are better at drawing that I am (with or without a computer) and could put together something.

We could vote on entries submitted to mods who would choose like 10 for the rest of us to vote on (easy enough, we have the ability to do polls). We could also have the images submitted to a gallery and close it after a point only letting people look (unless we decide to do this all over again in which case we could add them back to the running).

Then we could contact vendors and figure out a deal for what pricing would be per ~100 mats. If we get enough, I'm sure they'll be ok with less than the next 100 just because we gave them that much bulk business. they may even throw in the rest to make it 100 free of charge because they'll have to put the materials into it anyway.

As far as funding goes, setup a kickstarter (using this because people know what it is) as a funding pooler for the bare cost of a mat + expected shipping as a possibly minimum level. Extra money could go to the person who's art we choose and the runners up. We could even keep some on the side to do other projects and keep things going from there.

-edit

If we do decide on this option and pool money, we need to make sure that we have it listed as money for Source Projects and not Playmats. That way we can use it for other things, like tokens and such. Otherwise, we may bind those funds to something just these projects.

Also, we should probably figure out someone to put in change of the funds until playmats can be delivered.

[r3dd09]

Hi - I spearheaded the design and production of the GP Providence source playmats, and unsurprisingly still have the original image.

WotC takes their copyrights seriously since they are a part of the Hasbro megacorp - the single most profitable part, in fact.

WotC asked very nicely that their copyrights not be used on physical products without permission. UltraPro has paid to exclusively license WotC copyrights for playmats (and sleeves, etc). No more of the GP playmat design or similar will be produced unless something is worked out through UltraPro. The GP design was always intended to be limited anyway, albeit not quite as limited as it ended up.

A plain logo design has been done and I'm considering going forward with that since there is demand. There are other ideas I've worked on, but I don't have a lot of time to devote to it and am semi-retired from MTG.

I was waiting on a response from you as I didn't want to quote our PM's from a previous discussion of this topic.


On the BoA playmat, I think that'd be awesome. we should get a list passed around and some down payment on this to ensure the demand is there.

[Kayradis]

I see no reason why the community could help with these. There are tons of us on the source who are into magic. All of you are better at drawing that I am (with or without a computer) and could put together something.

We could vote on entries submitted to mods who would choose like 10 for the rest of us to vote on (easy enough, we have the ability to do polls). We could also have the images submitted to a gallery and close it after a point only letting people look (unless we decide to do this all over again in which case we could add them back to the running).

Then we could contact vendors and figure out a deal for what pricing would be per ~100 mats. If we get enough, I'm sure they'll be ok with less than the next 100 just because we gave them that much bulk business. they may even throw in the rest to make it 100 free of charge because they'll have to put the materials into it anyway.

As far as funding goes, setup a kickstarter (using this because people know what it is) as a funding pooler for the bare cost of a mat + expected shipping as a possibly minimum level. Extra money could go to the person who's art we choose and the runners up. We could even keep some on the side to do other projects and keep things going from there.

-edit

If we do decide on this option and pool money, we need to make sure that we have it listed as money for Source Projects and not Playmats. That way we can use it for other things, like tokens and such. Otherwise, we may bind those funds to something just these projects.

Also, we should probably figure out someone to put in change of the funds until playmats can be delivered.

Good point
+1

[Dan Turner]

if anyone has one and can scan it in sections making sure they overlap and inch or two I will piece it back together and post it here. Then we can use the image to just have our own made.


I have a friend who uses a laser etcher to do leather I thought of them put the beta Icy Manipulator art on a piece of suede. I think it would feel almost like one of the old spell ground playmats but would be expensive.

[ween]

if anyone has one and can scan it in sections making sure they overlap and inch or two I will piece it back together and post it here. Then we can use the image to just have our own made.


Not going to happen.


WotC asked very nicely that their copyrights not be used on physical products without permission. UltraPro has paid to exclusively license WotC copyrights for playmats (and sleeves, etc). No more of the GP playmat design or similar will be produced unless something is worked out through UltraPro.

I'm all for a totally new, no copyright card art playmat though!

[bfeingersh]

but when it comes down to it, everyone will know the TRUE source playmats with the mental misstep art included for who knows what reason :cool:

[feline]

Ok, I want one of these playmats! I'll figure something out but sdematt says they're hard to find, that doesn't mean it's impossible.

[sdematt]

Ok, I want one of these playmats! I'll figure something out but sdematt says they're hard to find, that doesn't mean it's impossible.

They basically don't exist in the wild.

-Matt

[Goin Aggro]

They basically don't exist in the wild.

-Matt


Good thing you've got a few on your nature reserve for selective breeding and repopulation.

[god_campbell]

Im in the market for a sweet new play mat and would be happy to contribute to the creation of a new source mat, perhaps some like "alt art" of top legacy cards so its not technically copyright infringement.

[phazonmutant]

Ok, it's clear people want a playmat, but how do actually get one?

Basically the only viable suggestion was from damionblackgear - make a kickstarter, advertise it, fund it, and then figure out distribution.
The problem is getting someone to spearhead it. I can't, no time right now. Also it would probably be best to have a Mod lead to give some credibility. Would someone like to step forward?

The secondary problem is designing a mat. That shouldn't be as big an issue, setting up a competition + poll is fairly trivial and from there I'm sure all the creative people on the internet will help us out.

[feline]

If one wanted something personalized, could always sit at home all day drawing playmats and make them all the same. Though success with it would lead to 100's of playmats, it might get boring.

[damionblackgear]

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, there is a want for a new source playmat. Is "The Source" fine with that?

Wizards asked that we don't use their images but do we have permission to setup a Source based custom playmat with the source's logo (minus the protected images)? Who can we get that permission from?

Also, some other things to figure out ahead of time:

Who's going to be involved with the setup of the project (Mods and/or trusted Source'ers would probably be best)? I wouldn't advise everyone be involved as too many chefs... you know the saying. The big question here is "How are we choosing them?" Each thread has it active people and persons who spend time there that may be trusted in their forum. Some people go beyond that.

Those people should probably define rolls/responsibilities for each other so they don't have to wait for everyone to be all available to keep things moving. At the same time, they all have to realize that they're becoming responsible for the entire thing so you have to help each other when needed/asked. They'd also be reminder in case one started slacking. Skype is free (to other Skype) as is email so anyone involved should be able to keep up with each other also, Google Docs is an easy to use/share resource that information could be kept on. I mean, if you're here, you have internet.

They should probably create some type of reasonable time table for the project. I'd say, 3-4 months should be long enough but that's if everything went like a machine... in which case most of us haven't done something like this before so there will be some kinks. That would give ~1 for getting entries while getting distribution figure out, ~1 for voting/setting up vendors, ~1 for the funding to be live, ~1 one for distributing and hiccups that could happen though.

I'd also suggest they start a new thread on the project status that could be updated to let people know what's happening with the project and where it's at. Link the updates in the opening post of it that way people could follow easily. You don't have to link every response, just major updates. Casual responses to people's questions when you're on don't need to be publicized like that unless they're important.

[Kayradis]

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, there is a want for a new source playmat. Is "The Source" fine with that?

Wizards asked that we don't use their images but do we have permission to setup a Source based custom playmat with the source's logo (minus the protected images)? Who can we get that permission from?

Also, some other things to figure out ahead of time:

Who's going to be involved with the setup of the project (Mods and/or trusted Source'ers would probably be best)? I wouldn't advise everyone be involved as too many chefs... you know the saying. The big question here is "How are we choosing them?" Each thread has it active people and persons who spend time there that may be trusted in their forum. Some people go beyond that.

Those people should probably define rolls/responsibilities for each other so they don't have to wait for everyone to be all available to keep things moving. At the same time, they all have to realize that they're becoming responsible for the entire thing so you have to help each other when needed/asked. They'd also be reminder in case one started slacking. Skype is free (to other Skype) as is email so anyone involved should be able to keep up with each other also, Google Docs is an easy to use/share resource that information could be kept on. I mean, if you're here, you have internet.

They should probably create some type of reasonable time table for the project. I'd say, 3-4 months should be long enough but that's if everything went like a machine... in which case most of us haven't done something like this before so there will be some kinks. That would give ~1 for getting entries while getting distribution figure out, ~1 for voting/setting up vendors, ~1 for the funding to be live, ~1 one for distributing and hiccups that could happen though.

I'd also suggest they start a new thread on the project status that could be updated to let people know what's happening with the project and where it's at. Link the updates in the opening post of it that way people could follow easily. You don't have to link every response, just major updates. Casual responses to people's questions when you're on don't need to be publicized like that unless they're important.


I second that.

[r3dd09]

Ok, I want one of these playmats! I'll figure something out but sdematt says they're hard to find, that doesn't mean it's impossible.

I know someone who is willing to sell his, but he wanted about 750 USD for it O.o

[Kayradis]

I know someone who is willing to sell his, but he wanted about 750 USD for it O.o

That's waayyyy more than what anyone of us would be willing to pay I assume!

[adamt]

Is anyone still looking for an one of these Source playmate? I have the blue one with the card arts (MM, STP, FOW, etc..) that I'd probably be willing to part with for the right price/trade.