[Standard article] [Also, circlejerks] Cook's Kitchen - UW Delver

[Bryant Cook]

Article (http://jupitergamesonline.com/2012/1093/cooks-kitchen-uw-delver)

Enjoy.

[Skeggi]

That's an article about standard :frown:

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

That's an article about standard :frown:

[socialite]

That's an article about standard :frown:

[Aggro_zombies]

I like your articles, Bryant, but please get an editor or someone who can proofread for you.

Also,


That's an article about standard :frown:

[miko]

In before moved to standard. Oh we do not have standard here!

[TorpidNinja]

That's an article about standard :frown:

ftfy

[Wereodile]

I try to keep up on Standard in case I ever get to leave my house and actually participate in a real life game of MTG #newdad

So..I appreciate the article though I was a little disappointed as I thought this might have been a new Legacy deck idea.

[DragoFireheart]

Do you think this deck could be ported from Standard to Legacy in some way?

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

Well, you could, but you would just be playing a much worse U/R Delver deck. In a blue aggro shell, red is way better than white I think.

[thefringthing]

That's an article about standard :frown:

[cuthbertthecat]

I don't think it's morally correct to use the keep storming signiture in an article about standard legal creatures.

[majikal]

That's an article about standard :frown:

[TeenieBopper]

1. Standard>Legacy.

2. Decent enough article, though Invisible Stalker is trash and I don't know why people are playing it. Geist of St. Traft is the stone cold nuts, though.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

IMO, Geist is the only reason to play UW.

[majikal]

1. Standard>Legacy.

That's all fine and dandy, but this here site here is your source for Legacy. Not Standard.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

That's all fine and dandy, but this here site here is your source for Legacy. Not Standard.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure there's a video on here with Bryant (TES) vs. Jimirynk (Bant), where Bryant is asked what he's playing for standard.

His response was something like, "Nothing. I don't care about standard."

Mind you that's not a direct quote. It's somewhere in the TES thread.

[lordofthepit]

That's an article about standard :frown:

There's nothing quite like scouring the net for Legacy content like a drug fiend looking for another hit, finding a new article by Bryant Cook, then clicking it only to find out that it's Standard. :frown:

[Bryant Cook]

There's nothing quite like scouring the net for Legacy content like a drug fiend looking for another hit, finding a new article by Bryant Cook, then clicking it only to find out that it's Standard. :frown:

Ah, yes. Because you are so good at Magic that you couldn't gain or grow from reading a measly Standard article. Grow up people.

[thefringthing]

To be fair, this is the "source for Legacy". No one's saying the article isn't worthwhile, just that perhaps The Source is the wrong audience for a Standard article.

[cuthbertthecat]

Would you mind posting the list of U/R you were playing? The U/W manabase is great, but arc trail is pretty good ATM.

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

No one would tell me to grow up if I asked for some sliced ham at the deli and they give me a pack of hot dogs.

"hey, grow up man, you can still eat it and be full..."

[TeenieBopper]

No one would tell me to grow up if I asked for some sliced ham at the deli and they give me a pack of hot dogs.

"hey, grow up man, you can still eat it and be full..."

Yeah, but when you go to bleedinganus.com to get your daily goatse fill, and there's an Eiffel tower going on, you don't bitch about seeing a vag, do you?

Well, maybe you do.

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

Yeah, but when you go to bleedinganus.com to get your daily goatse fill, and there's an Eiffel tower going on, you don't bitch about seeing a vag, do you?

Well, maybe you do.

jesus, what are you even talking about...

[majikal]

bleedinganus.com
ಠ_ಠ


There was not a single anus in sight. You, sir, are a fraud.

[TeenieBopper]

jesus, what are you even talking about...

It's an analogy that essentially boils down to "quit your fucking bitching about free content. It makes you look like an asshole."

[Koby]

That's an article about standard :frown:

Because it hasn't been stated enough.

[Zilla]

That article is about standard.

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

Just doesn't seem like it makes sense to post that stuff here.

Don't think I'm an asshole at all, just confused as to why the author posted it.

[socialite]

Just doesn't seem like it makes sense to post that stuff here.

Don't think I'm an asshole at all, just confused as to why the author posted it.

You ruined my successful trolling with your serious sincerity. For the record, judging by your post history, you kind of are an asshole. :P

Thank you for the article Bryant, I actually read it and it was quite good.

[HokusSchmokus]

Thank you for the article Bryant, I actually read it and it was quite good.

Same here. I enjoyed it.

[Skeggi]

I'm an asshole

[Bryant Cook]

Just doesn't seem like it makes sense to post that stuff here.

Don't think I'm an asshole at all, just confused as to why the author posted it.

Maybe because I grew up through this community.
Maybe because I thought people would enjoy a decent read.
Maybe because I don't give a fuck.

If you don't like the content, don't read it. It's simple.

[joemauer]

I think there should have been some sort of disclosure attached to this article.

WARNING!: This article is about standard! Read at your own risk! Could cause you to play formats outside of Legacy!

[JeroenC]

Format & Article Discussion
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For discussion related to innovating and advancing the Legacy metagame. Includes article discussion, metagame prediction and analysis, and new card discussion.


Liked the article, but technically, the haters have a good point.

[Zilla]

I'm pretty sure most of the haters are kidding anyway.

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

Maybe because I grew up through this community.
Maybe because I thought people would enjoy a decent read.
Maybe because I don't give a fuck.

If you don't like the content, don't read it. It's simple.

No sarcasm, but thanks for replying. I definitely came off as abrasive earlier.

I didn't like or dislike it; only because I didn't read it. I was just surprised to see a standard article on this website, and I was curious why it got posted. You told me why, and know I now. Although I'm surprised you don't give a fuck... about your article? Or that this website is based on legacy? Anywho, Thanks for clarifying!

(EDIT) - I wasn't kidding, I genuinely didn't get why that article was here. The author responded and told me, now I get it. I found out what I wanted to know, so I'm going to stop posting on this thread now, it seems like I'm annoying everyone...

[GGoober]

I'm pretty sure most of the haters are kidding kids anyway.

I don't mind standard articles in the Source (personally I prefer a disclaimer, but Cook probably doesn't give a F). I feel that Legacy players sometimes get caught up with the arrogance that they play the hardest and most rewarding format, but there are cases where limited/standard can teach a few lessons to Legacy players.

[TeenieBopper]

they play the hardest and most rewarding format

LOL.

Wait.

Are you serious?

[Kich867]

I don't mind standard articles in the Source (personally I prefer a disclaimer, but Cook probably doesn't give a F). I feel that Legacy players sometimes get caught up with the arrogance that they play the hardest and most rewarding format, but there are cases where limited/standard can teach a few lessons to Legacy players.

I wouldn't mix up arrogance and passion so quickly. The reaction has far less to do with someone being snooty and more to do with someone being disappointed.

You come to this website for legacy information and discussion, when a reputable author posts an article he/she wrote you get excited, when you click that link and it has nothing to do with legacy, you feel mislead and confused.

It's not that legacy players can't learn something from Standard (that's probably legitimately arguable though), it's that if they wanted to, there are other sites you would visit to do it.

Personally, I have no idea what's going on in standard right now, I don't really have any compelling desire to know. It's not what I play anymore, I don't find the current standard sets to be particularly interesting, and while the best deck one can make with a limited set of cards is very interesting, it's not really something I think about on a daily basis.

I would hope that most here would agree with me (for those who exclusively play legacy) that, it's not like we legacy players sit here on some high throne looking down on standard, it's more like--if you were to talk to me about what's going on in standard right now it'd be on the same level as my friend telling me what's going on with someone I went to high school 8 years ago with right now.

I recognize who that person is, I never stop and think "I wonder how Ben is doing.", they don't really occupy anywhere in my mind and eventually you just stop thinking about them over the course of the time until you kind of forget that they exist. Standard isn't the creepy annoying kid from high school you hope to never see again and then you run into them in the mall 6 years later and the just need to talk to you, it's the guy you were sort of friends with and if you ran into them 6 years later you'd walk past each other, give a polite head nod like "Sup" and keep going.

And while I don't mean this in any way shape or form as being disrespectful, I can see it being taken that way: this article probably doesn't belong here. One of the highlights of a well run forum is organization and moderation, this is out of place, it should probably be moved. It's something every member of the forum should police themselves on, when people post unoptimized lists in the New and Developmental Deck section (e.g. using shock lands) that's grounds for letting them know a casual forum exists no more than 5 inches above their post and politely let them know to repost it there so people are more willing to help them.

Maybe I'm a little neurotic, but I don't even like when there are two decks in the Established section that are essentially the same deck give or take one or two card slots, I actually had a bit of a rant on the Elven Advantage thread (and am still bothered by it when I see it shoot back up to the top) that it's wasting forum space that doesn't need to be wasted, every list in the thread could be put in the Elven Combo thread and no one would really complain--there's already dozens of workable lists in that thread that de-emphasize the combo for the sake of aggression anyways..sorry, starting to ramble.

My point is, you don't post a casual deck in the new & developmental forum just as you don't post standard articles in the Legacy Development Format & Article Discussion forum--there isn't really any space for it here, and while I appreciate trying to branch out into the legacy community for that article, if there were people interested in standard here, they would find your article just as quickly on the sites they go to for standard where you post all the rest of your standard articles.

[GGoober]

LOL.

Wait.

Are you serious?

Up to your subjective interpretation, but when quoting, it tends to get misleading how much of a sentence you quote:



get caught up with the arrogance that they play the hardest and most rewarding format

@Kick867, I don't disagree, and it can probably be summed up more concisely with the subforum description of Format & Article Discussion:

"Forum: Format & Article Discussion
For discussion related to innovating and advancing the Legacy metagame. Includes article discussion, metagame prediction and analysis, and new card discussion."

Even though this hasn't been updated in possibly years, I can understand why people are upset about a Standard article in this subforum pertaining to innovating/advancing Legacy metagame. But I really don't think people give too much fucks about it in the first place. In fact I only see lots of sensitive people being overly unhappy that a standard article is being written here. Truth be told, Cook's done a couple of Standard articles, and so have other writers/reports include snippets of Standard/Limited that readers can draw some values from.

Another note: as much as I love the Source, my motive to come here has changed recently. I no longer come here for advice or innovations on deckbuilding. I actually come here to get a good laugh and try to dig through noise to find useful feedback in threads. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything valuable, not to be a dick/elitist since I'm more like a n00b in Legacy compared to many others here. Anyway, the Source is still your best place to be for Legacy/MTG because every other forum kinda blows.

[dahcmai]

What's funny is I can't think of a single website that deals with standard that isn't a jumble of idiots anyway.