[GP] Indianapolis Thread

[Pascal3000]

Stifle on the ultimate when he could have Thoughtseized first. OUCH.

He also couldve Intuitioned for Counterspell EOT and had Snapcaster-->Counterspell as a backup for the ultimate if he wanted to or couldve gotten a FOW to protect it...

[Hanni]

And why, for the love of god, is Kenny Castor playing all of his lands? Canadian Thresh does NOT need 7 lands in play, period.

[Kage]

Not even a handshake from Castor...

[Blitzbold]

Congrats to Tom Martell. Well done & nice deck!

[birds of paradise2]

Awesome final. Very enjoyable seeing Tom Martell execute is so nicely.

[Pascal3000]

Awesome final. Very enjoyable seeing Tom Martell execute is so nicely.

As in punting every other turn? Anyways, congratulations...

[soltakar]

Not even a handshake from Castor...

I was thinking he same thing.

[bondfan]

I'm glad Martell won. Castor acted like a child to the head judge.

[birds of paradise2]

As in punting every other turn? Anyways, congratulations...

Lol, are you pascal that got his ass kicked in quarter? Don't be bitter..

[KindGrind]

Playing all his lands was a huge mistake indeed. Mind games are super important when playing tempo.

Congrats to Martell.

[Hanni]

Not just the mind games. If he rips a Brainstorm off the top with 4 lands in hand (one being a fetch), he's basically drawing into an Ancestral Recall. A single Brainstorm at that stage in the game could have completely turned the game around. A topdecked Brainstorm with no other cards in hand... not so much.

[TheShaun]

I am definitely glad that the tournament was won by somebody playing incredible magic, seeing something like 4 turns ahead of the game before it happened. Congrats to Tom, he honestly deserved this win no doubt in my mind.

[sdematt]

What's the Top 8 order and deck choice?

Nice job to any and all Sourcers who attended!

-Matt

[RJM]

Not a bad tournament overall to watch. Still wish I could have been there to play. Nothing totally shocking showed up as far as new tech, which I think as legacy players is our collective secret wish every big event. But I usually manage to learn something new from watching the matches, regardless.

Unfortunately, what stuck with me the most from the latter part of the tournament was finding out how much of a d-bag Kenny Castor can be. I think the head judge's initial decision that it was both players who failed to maintain game state and that play would continue was the correct one. More backbone when presenting a "final decision" next time, plase.

"What?! ...Are you kidding me?!" "...I couldn't remember to take my extra turn either, I guess that seems important now that I think about it!" should have been the end of that sentence and of the matter.

Where the heck did the table judges go on that one too?

[Einherjer]

Are the top8 decks up yet?

[Beatusnox]

Dredge player here. Good job to Colin. He'd better win the whole thing, after what my deck did to me.

In other news, flayer of the hatebound is incredible.



I have been saying this since the card was spoiled....... I was even the one to post it on the dredge thread..... Feels good to know I was right on that end.

[Tao]

Unfortunately, what stuck with me the most from the latter part of the tournament was finding out how much of a d-bag Kenny Castor can be. I think the head judge's initial decision that it was both players who failed to maintain game state and that play would continue was the correct one. More backbone when presenting a "final decision" next time, plase.

holy cow you guys are biased towards Di...

[Namida]

holy cow you guys are biased towards Di...

I'm surprised that your assumption is that there is a bias toward Di here.

From the Infraction Procedure Guide:
Professional [REL]
Professional level events offer large cash awards, prestige, and other benefits that draw players from great distances. These events hold players to a higher standard of behavior and technically correct play than Competitive events.

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Game Play Error — Failure to Maintain Game State
Philosophy
If an error is caught before a player could gain advantage, then the dangers of the ongoing game state becoming corrupted are much lower. If the error is allowed to persist, at least some of the fault lies with the opponent, who has also failed to notice the error.

Day 2 of a GP is a Professional Rules Enforcement Level, and Kenny Castor literally behaved like a spoiled child instead of a professional. I could give a fuck who he was playing against--it's just as much his fault that he failed to maintain game state, and his actions portrayed an unwillingness to accept the consequences of his mistake.

The Head Judge of the Grand Prix balked under the weight of Castor's bitching and decided to completely change his mind after making a final ruling. I disagree immensely with this course of action, especially when the new ruling deviates completely from the norm, with the only apparent motivation for doing so being a desire to make Castor stop crying. That's what this boils down to for me: Castor cried his way into a favorable ruling. Everyone at the table made a mistake; any action taken to correct the error would end up badly for someone, and Castor prevented himself from being that person based merely on his ability to scream the loudest. I'll concede to you that perhaps the judge *did* get some new information that caused him to change his ruling...but it really looked like the only knowledge he was able to gain was Castor's opinion.

[Hopo]

I have been saying this since the card was spoiled....... I was even the one to post it on the dredge thread..... Feels good to know I was right on that end.

Looks like somebody wants some recognition.. It appears you missed the Stalking Vengeance era when Parcher figured this out already years ago.

[Pippin]

holy cow you guys are biased towards Di...

If I'm not mistaken, Di also forgot to pay for his blue pact in his feature match in earlier rounds. I remember vaguely but it went something like this - Chris got off with Time Spiral (protected with blue pact), then fizzled and on the following turn didn't pay for blue pact. Something similar happened later to Alix Hatfield as well.

[flrn]

I'm surprised that your assumption is that there is a bias toward Di here.

From the Infraction Procedure Guide:

Day 2 of a GP is a Professional Rules Enforcement Level, and Kenny Castor literally behaved like a spoiled child instead of a professional. I could give a fuck who he was playing against--it's just as much his fault that he failed to maintain game state, and his actions portrayed an unwillingness to accept the consequences of his mistake.

The Head Judge of the Grand Prix balked under the weight of Castor's bitching and decided to completely change his mind after making a final ruling. I disagree immensely with this course of action, especially when the new ruling deviates completely from the norm, with the only apparent motivation for doing so being a desire to make Castor stop crying. That's what this boils down to for me: Castor cried his way into a favorable ruling. Everyone at the table made a mistake; any action taken to correct the error would end up badly for someone, and Castor prevented himself from being that person based merely on his ability to scream the loudest. I'll concede to you that perhaps the judge *did* get some new information that caused him to change his ruling...but it really looked like the only knowledge he was able to gain was Castor's opinion.

To make things worse, Castor gained an advantage by backing it up, because after backing it up, he knew that his opponent couldn't go for it. Therefor he played mainphase Brainstorm to get a critical amount of damage on the board. Who knows, if he would have done that, if the game did play out correctly and he had to assume that his opponent would go off in his next turn.

[Beatusnox]

Looks like somebody wants some recognition.. It appears you missed the Stalking Vengeance era when Parcher figured this out already years ago.

Not quite, someone (read me) was glad to have been right for once lol.

[Getsickanddie]

I was sitting at the table for Colin and Kenny's game one and Kenny was rude and obnoxious the entire time.

[Blitzbold]

Are the top8 decks up yet?

Here you are: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpind12/welcome#1

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

I was sitting at the table for Colin and Kenny's game one and Kenny was rude and obnoxious the entire time.

Yeah, Kenny was a fucking douche. He's like that at SCG tournaments, too. I'm so glad Martell kicked his nuts in.

[Tao]

If some people think that a head judge should always stand by his initial ruling even if he comes to realize that there could be a better ruling, then I think you are very wrong. Let's face it: had the head judge not changed his ruling, then the wrong guy would have been in the GP finals. And I could not care less if some people just think Kenny is a douche or if he is really a douche. It is not relevant. His deck/play/draw was better in that game and he rightfully went to the finals.

At least he didn't take an extra turn! And yeah Namida, no need to quote the rules, these are well-known. It is a complete freeroll to do this. People are more trusty towards Di than me but I am not sure if I can believe him. I don't think so. The problem is that for everyone else the Meditate thing is a rare occurance, you usually don't take extra turns so the table judge and the Delver guy missed it. For a Solidarity player firing a Meditate one turn before you Combo is a relatively normal play if you need cards so I really don't see why he would forget, especially given that he apparantly is a very good player.

[Bignasty197]

At least he didn't take an extra turn! And yeah Namida, no need to quote the rules, these are well-known. It is a complete freeroll to do this. People are more trusty towards Di than me but I am not sure if I can believe him. I don't think so. The problem is that for everyone else the Meditate thing is a rare occurance, you usually don't take extra turns so the table judge and the Delver guy missed it. For a Solidarity player firing a Meditate one turn before you Combo is a relatively normal play if you need cards so I really don't see why he would forget, especially given that he apparantly is a very good player.

I play against Colin every week and I can honestly say that he is not a cheater in any way at all. The Meditate thing was a legitimate mistake after 2 days straight of playing a mentally taxing deck. Stuff happens. Get off your horse and move on.

[CorpT]

Videos are up: http://ggslive.com/2012-videos/

[Di]

Wow lot to take in here. I appreciate some folks coming to my defense, but let me try to clarify a lot of this stuff being thrown around.

First of all, I want it to be known that I feel they made the correct call regarding the Meditate situation, and I applaud head judge Riccardo Tessitori for his efforts in managing the situation. Yes, Kenny flipped out and acted like a child on it (and rightfully so), but I don't think that had an impact in the decision. They ultimately decided to rewind the game state solely because I was never given new information during my turn by drawing a card, as I knew what it was from my Ponder. Had I not known what that card was, they would not have reversed the call as we couldn't easily rewind the game state, but because I did they felt it was easy to go back. It had nothing to do with the judge balking over Kenny's behavior. The head judge (a level five) consulted privately with Sheldon Menery (heard of him?) and a couple others for a long time and they both came to the conclusion to rewind the game state. Sure it sucks because it put him in an advantageous position, but I could not win the game regardless of him having that information or not, as he would've still had the Tarmogoyf on his extra turn pressing for lethal, and would still have FoW + Stifle and I didn't have enough outs. I'm not upset at all by the result of it, and had they stood by the initial ruling it would be far worse. Had that stayed, I would've won the game given the information I knew about his hand and such, and if that happened there'd be a huge shitstorm of controversy about that win, and I certainly didn't want it to come down to something like that.

Second, the fact that people are claiming me to be either shady, trying to cheat, or not being trustworthy or anything of the sort is outrageous. Anyone who knows me knows damn well that I'm the last person to do something like that. The simple fact of the matter was that we, not just "I", forgot about the Meditate turn. We, as in myself, my opponent, and the two judges watching my match. It was an honest mistake that none of us caught, and Kenny and myself laughed about our forgetfullness once the judges intervened. It simply came down to me playing a rather unorthodox mainphase Meditate on a non-combo turn (first time I've ever done it with the deck), and given all the events that followed we simply forgot to account for it. When you play a deck like that for 17 rounds and have a lot of rough playing conditions against you (I'll get to this in a second), you're bound to slip up a little bit. It's rather obvious to remember to skip the turn for Meditate when you cast it on the opponent's endstep as people often do, but it's a little harder to account for it when you did it on your own turn and a lot of things happened afterwards. I think it says more about the awkwardness of the situation as a whole when everyone watching in the area overlooked it, rather than me allegedly trying to pull a fast one. Seriously, top4 of a Grand Prix in front of two judges and on camera. I am not fucking Alex Bertoncini. Give me a break.

Third, mentioning these playing conditions:
A. I had a whopping seven hours of sleep the entire weekend, three on Friday night and four on Saturday. Deck is not easy to play with full night's rest. Deck is a lot harder to play with no sleep.
B. I was sick Sunday morning. I threw up a bit when I got to the event hall, and shit like five times throughout the day (tmi? meh) and was fighting stomachaches and headaches the whole day.
C. I was freezing. The event hall was incredibly cold, and I was shivering for most of the day and kept my hood up and hoodie zipped most of the time. This could also I suppose explain any "nervousness" that people might've thought they saw. I was pretty calm and confident the entire time, but I was just really fucking cold.

Fourth, anyone who mentioned anything about Kenny's behavior is spot on. Anyone who says anything otherwise about them being "biased" towards me simply doesn't know the extent of situation. I'm not one to generally judge people like this, but Kenny was a complete jerk. From the moment we sat down, he was incredibly rude, arrogant, and condescending towards me. Everyone watching the match can account for this, and apparently people mentioning things about him being like this elsewhere should mean something. I enjoyed playing against every single person except him. I won't argue with him flipping out on the initial judge ruling of the Meditate because he had every right to react in that manner, but the fact that his behavior was so ridiculous and he ended up being the person to end my run put a bad taste in my mouth. It was just a shame my deck couldn't deliver games two and three because his play really have any impact on the match, and if anything would've cost him it as I don't think he had a clear idea on how to play against the deck.

Fifth, overall I'm still incredibly happy with my performance even if it ended the way it did. I'm going to Barcelona, so I have no complaints. I will likely have a report up within the next day or two, unless someone randomly approaches me to write it elsewhere.


If I'm not mistaken, Di also forgot to pay for his blue pact in his feature match in earlier rounds. I remember vaguely but it went something like this - Colin got off with Time Spiral (protected with blue pact), then fizzled and on the following turn didn't pay for blue pact. Something similar happened later to Alix Hatfield as well.

I didn't forget to pay for it, I just let it happen. I could've played the High Tide in my hand and tapped out, but my hand was four lands in hand and I was dead to his attack the following turn regardless. Alix actually forgot about the Pact trigger altogether, but that was irrelevant given the game state and his misplay after he resolved Time Spiral prior. We spoke about that after his match, and it was mentioned he should've used Turnabout on his opponent, either tapping him out or drawing a counterspell, then Turnabout himself and then use Meditate with his Pact backup. Oh well, he got really close. At least my only loss in the swiss came at the hands of me fizzling twice in three games, and had little to do with his deck stopping me. Says something about the strength of High Tide I suppose.

[nedleeds]

Yeah, Kenny was a fucking douche. He's like that at SCG tournaments, too. I'm so glad Martell kicked his nuts in.

He looks like a poor white rapper.

[Whippoorwill]

And I could not care less if some people just think Kenny is a douche or if he is really a douche. It is not relevant. His deck/play/draw was better in that game and he rightfully went to the finals.

I agree that Kenny's personality shouldn't be an issue, but I wouldn't say he rightfully went to the finals. Due to what happened, we have no way of knowing who would have made it had the error not occurred. Either result ends up in one player getting screwed:

-If the game continues as is, Kenny gets screwed out of his extra turn.
-If the game is reset, Kenny gets extra knowledge and can adjust his play accordingly.

This was a lose-lose situation for the judges.

[Julian23]

If some people think that a head judge should always stand by his initial ruling even if he comes to realize that there could be a better ruling, then I think you are very wrong. Let's face it: had the head judge not changed his ruling, then the wrong guy would have been in the GP finals. And I could not care less if some people just think Kenny is a douche or if he is really a douche. It is not relevant. His deck/play/draw was better in that game and he rightfully went to the finals.


It's not about that. Starting an argument whether people are biased towards Di or not won't do anything here. The reason people are really pissed off by the judge's decision is the really bad precedent it sets: behave aggressively, put on your douche behavior and it will get you there. We can all agree that Kenny's behavior is borderline ok. But, by not only letting him get away with it but actually justifying it (because of the overall better judge decision it induced), you push it from "borderline" to "perfectly fine". We can't accept that.


I agree that Kenny's personality shouldn't be an issue, but I wouldn't say he rightfully went to the finals.
[...]
This was a lose-lose situation for the judges.

Guess I just don't care who rightfully went to the finals. I think if none of this had happened, Kenny would have won anyways, but that's nothing I'm concerned with. The real lose (aka fail) for the judges only arrived when they revised a decision based on aggressive behavior of the player it penalized more.

[birds of paradise2]

He looks like a poor white rapper.

Wow, what a low blow mr. internet tough-guy. What does his looks has to do with anything?

[Richard Cheese]

Head judge sounded like Janosz from Ghostbusters 2.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=309KGPsAMJU

[Arew]

Congratulations to Di, ruckus and everyone else who did well this weekend!

[xfxf]

Yeah, conguratulations and we are looking for some reports :)

[nedleeds]

Wow, what a low blow mr. internet tough-guy. What does his looks has to do with anything?

Nothing really ... I was piggy backing on top of the guy who called him a douche. Also those aren't in fact the Yankees colors. Maybe I'm also berating the color blind ... regardless.

[Jonathan Alexander]

Head judge sounded like Janosz from Ghostbusters 2.


His pronounciation is somewhat weird, but he's a really nice guy and good judge. I've met him several times and he always gives accurate and precise answers to rules questions and such. Even if he's the head judge for a GP, he'll find the time to answer stupid questions.

[Hanni]

Why am I drippings wif goo?

[Michael Keller]

You, Sir, have just quoted "Ghostbusters II."

Epic win in my book.

"Oh, command me Lord!"

[Dark Ritual]

I scrubbed out of this event hard with TES, but the field was pretty hostile to TES IMHO. I was glad I got to meet Brandon Adams (Emidln) though, really cool guy it's a pity you didn't take it down with DDFT, I would've loved that. Or for Colin Chillbert to take it down, since he knocked out Alex Olson with lands who was riding in the car I was in from MN. At least he top 64'ed though.

The head judge for the event was a really nice guy, sure he had a heavy accent and he pronounced Laskin lash-kin when he announced he was in a feature match but overall he was a really great guy.

On Colin. I seriously doubt he cheated intentionally, he had played 16 rounds of magic prior to that with a deck that is quite demanding mentally. Sometimes people have lapses mentally and make mistakes, but I've never heard of Colin cheating frequently like Bertoncini or some other cheaters that seek to eke out all the advantages they can by resolving a spell or ability in the wrong manner.

[Solaran_X]

So I'm heading into Round 9 at 4-4. No reason to drop anymore, since we can't lose rating. I sit down 8 minutes late and get a game loss. I nonchalantly explain my being late by saying "Meh...I was getting foil Jaces." Start game two, and soon find out I'm running my UR Delver against Sneak and Show after he drops Sneak Attack and a Progenitus for 10 to the dome. I get him down to 1 with a single nonbasic in play and I'm at 3 with two nonbasics in play when he finally gets the second Sneak Attack activation.

"Well I guess I lose...oh...wait..."

Tap my two Volcanics for double red and drop Price of Progress.

"Game 3?"

In game 3, he drops a Misty Rainforest and cracks it for a Volcanic on his first turn. I EOT use Surgical Extraction on him, getting all four of his Misty Rainforests and seeing a hand with a City of Traitors (or Ancient Tomb, I honestly forget), Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, Emrakul, and Pyroblast. He comments that he has the Pyroblast for my Spell Pierce (or Force). His next turn, he tries to Show and Tell the Emrakul in...I get it with my own Pyroblast and a "Pyroblast this" comment. He never sees another mana and I ride my flipped Delver to victory.

In game 4, I have him convinced I'm holding a Hydroblast and constantly keeping my basic Island untapped. He's holding a Sneak Attack and an Emrakul, and decides to slow roll it since I spend a couple turns on two lands (1 Volcanic, 1 Island). I get two Delvers in row on draws, and then begin to draw land and they finally flip when I draw some Bolts. Add a Goblin Guide into the mix eventually. He resolves to hard cast Emrakul to be safe, and actually almost gets to 15 mana with a mix of double lands and Chrome Moxen. Get him down low and eventually a double Bolt for the win.

Round 9 was rather epic, and probably would have been significantly less epic if I had showed up on time and played a regular ordinary legit match.

[xfxf]

So is there a metagame breakdown, Top32 decklists etc. somewhere yet? I can only see the Top8 decklists in the coverage.

[RogueMTG]

I ended up a disappointing 5-3 with Canadian Thresh after starting 4-0 with no byes and beating Shuuhei Nakamura 2-0 :cool:. Got crushed by Tom Martell in round 5... and despite a winning the mirror in round 6, things went downhill from there as I got ran over by Ning in round 7 (another Jupiter regular), tilted a bit, and got stomped by an unanswered Scavenging Ooze two games in a row in round 8. :rolleyes:

[ImpinAintEasy]

I too, started off well and fizzled. I started at 4-0 and then proceeded to tilt into 0-3 so I dropped. I did meet a few sourcers which was pretty cool!

I played RUG Delver - pretty stock list with pierces instead of stifles

Beat Sneak Show, Bant Maverick, ANT (fellow sourcer, sorry bro) and a pretty cool Blazing Shoal/Show n Tell Infect deck.

Lost to Garret Young (Who got 10th) with Belcher, Lost to Maverick (Jack Elgin) and my final loss was on T5 of "overtime" to Thopter Foundry.

I can def attest to what Di was saying about the coldness of the hall. I too, was sick on friday and saturday mornings with a stomach bug(must of been floating around). All day on Sunday I was bundled up and shivering as it was so freaking cold in there. My guess is the organizers decided to turn off the heat to keep the stench from evolving further than it had already. Either that or they decided to save cost on heating since they just dumped Peyton Manning and are expecting their ticket sales to plummet. Either way, it was freaking freezing there!

Despite my punts, all wasn't in vain as my buddy piloted dredge to a 19th place finish and another buddy got deck tech and 17th place with Belcher.

I was glad to have meet some of the sourcers and hope to see you all again at Gencon!

[Richard Cheese]

Here's my report:

Friday:
Buy some sleeves, then scrub out immediately at a grinder. Decide that 15 minutes of magic is not worth another $20, go to get food at Tavern on South. Spend half the time we're there trying to decipher their ridiculous beer menu. Protip: Weemac is not a style, nor is Ruby Bloom or Lactomatic or any of that other tongue-in-cheek shit...just tell me WHAT. KIND. OF. FUCKING. BEER. IT. IS. Eat lots of red meat so I won't have to poop the next day.

Saturday:
As soon as we get there I have to poop. Scrub out pretty much immediately. Wait for my friend to drop so we can head back to the hotel and drop our shit off. Decide to go to The Ball and Biscuit bar, but the shuttle won't take us all the way there because Basketball. Walk past a dozen sketchy bus stops to get there, and the place is completely rad. Comfy chairs, killer drinks, and kimchi hotdogs. Our other friend makes day 2, so he can't join us. Reflect on how awesome losing at Magic can be, stagger home.

Sunday:
Wake up at 6am, promptly reminded that I never drank any water on Saturday. My brain is encased in broken glass. Fill myself with pills and water and go back to sleep. Back up at 9:30, and it doesn't seem worth it to try and make the TCGPlayer event at 10. Instead we go to Maxine's Chicken and Waffles. Shuttle driver gave us shit the whole ride because we're clearly a couple of short white nerds and "it's in a service station!". Joke's on him because fried chicken with sweet potato waffles and peach butter is the food of the fucking gods. Walk back to the convention center, the last of our group has scrubbed out so we spend the rest of our time in a food coma and spending way too much money on cards.

Props: Me for knowing I wouldn't make day 2 and doing some research on where to eat breakfast. Indy for having decent weather.

Slops: Pastimes for doing such a shit job running a major event. Our hotel for charging $12 for the same shitty continental breakfast you get at Motel 8 for free. Indy for everything about it except that bar and Maxine's. Basketball.

[csy]

I had a great time at gp Indy and thanks to my neck I got to me a lot of you. Pm of you read this I'd love on keep in touch.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Went a disappointing 9-6, sucking day 2. Threw away two rounds. I'll write a report later, probably just in its own thread because I don't know whether to post in the Bant or the Maverick thread. Here's the decklist, Bant Shillelagh (No Blade):

4 Windswept Heath
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Savannah
3 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Stirring Wildwood

1 Maze of Ith

4 Noble Hierarch
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Rhox War Monk
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Knight of the Reliquary

4 Brainstorm
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Spell Pierce
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Bant Charm
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter

SB:
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Flusterstorm
3 Submerge
2 Parallax Wave
1 Umezawa's Jitte

[thefringthing]

Went 6-3 with TES, had lots of fun. Here I am disregarding Levin with his girlfriend who played Belcher. (I'm the guy behind the DISREGARD LEVIN; PLAY BELCHER meme.)

http://i.imgur.com/vPW7al.jpg

[CalebD]

^LOL that picture is the nut high.



I did decent in Indy, and my report'll go up on CFB if you're into that kind of thing

[KevinTrudeau]

Here's my report:

Friday:
Buy some sleeves, then scrub out immediately at a grinder. Decide that 15 minutes of magic is not worth another $20, go to get food at Tavern on South. Spend half the time we're there trying to decipher their ridiculous beer menu. Protip: Weemac is not a style, nor is Ruby Bloom or Lactomatic or any of that other tongue-in-cheek shit...just tell me WHAT. KIND. OF. FUCKING. BEER. IT. IS. Ate lots of red meat so I won't have to poop the next day.

Saturday:
As soon as we get there I have to poop. Scrub out pretty much immediately. Wait for my friend to drop so we can head back to the hotel and drop our shit off. Decide to go to The Ball and Biscuit bar, but the shuttle won't take us all the way there because Basketball. Walk past a dozen sketchy bus stops to get there, and the place is completely rad. Comfy chairs, killer drinks, and kimchi hotdogs. Our other friend makes day 2, so he can't join us. Reflect on how awesome losing at Magic can be, stagger home.

Sunday:
Wake up at 6am, promptly reminded that I never drank any water on Saturday. My brain is encased in glass. Fill myself with pills and water and go back to sleep. Back up at 9:30, and it doesn't seem worth it to try and make the TCGPlayer event at 10. Instead we go to Maxine's Chicken and Waffles. Shuttle driver gave us shit the whole ride because we're clearly a couple of short white nerds and "it's in a service station!". Joke's on him because fried chicken with sweet potato waffles and peach butter is the food of the fucking gods. Walk back to the convention center, the last of our group has scrubbed out so we spend the rest of our time in a food coma and spending way too much money on cards.

Props: Me for knowing I wouldn't make day 2 and doing some research on where to eat breakfast. Indy for having decent weather.

Slops: Pastimes for doing such a shit job running a major event. Our hotel for charging $12 for the same shitty continental breakfast you get at Motel 8 for free. Indy for everything about it except that bar and Maxine's. Basketball.

Holy crap (pun intended), I did the EXACT same thing on Saturday as soon as I got there. I felt a teensy bit nauseous each morning I was there; must have been due to not being used to the water in Indianapolis. I could be pregnant, I suppose.

Also, no joke, one of the very best tourney reports I've ever read.

[HokusSchmokus]

Was there theft in Indy?

[(nameless one)]

Was there theft in Indy?

I believe this should answer your question:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?23335-An-Open-Note-to-the-People-Who-Stole-10K-of-Cards-From-Me-and-My-Friends

[Parcher]

I have to chime in on the Kenny Castor being a douche thing. He is. The semi-final thing was just one in a long line of that type of behavior.

For those who missed it in the coverage, he even told Martell in the finals that he couldn't believe that he was losing to such a bad player.

Personally, he's been a shit to me when we played. He called me a cheater when he didn't know what the cards in my all-foreign Dredge deck did, after I offered three times to call a judge. He consequently lost, after not understanding my explanation of the cards. Really badly.

[HokusSchmokus]

I believe this should answer your question:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?23335-An-Open-Note-to-the-People-Who-Stole-10K-of-Cards-From-Me-and-My-Friends

Seriously, what the f is happening right now?!?
It's like every fricking event is at least partly ruined because of bastards like this. When people specialize on stealing magic cards from people, something is wrong.
It ruins the game beyond belief for people who are victims, but even I have no more intention to bring stuff other than my deck to GP Ghent.
This needs to stop.Now.

[SpikeyMikey]

Went 6-3 with TES, had lots of fun. Here I am disregarding Levin with his girlfriend who played Belcher. (I'm the guy behind the DISREGARD LEVIN; PLAY BELCHER meme.)

http://i.imgur.com/vPW7al.jpg

I had a good conversation with half my table in round 6 or so about your shirt.

[bfeingersh]

Went 6-3 with TES, had lots of fun. Here I am disregarding Levin with his girlfriend who played Belcher. (I'm the guy behind the DISREGARD LEVIN; PLAY BELCHER meme.)

http://i.imgur.com/vPW7al.jpg

Isn't that Badlands art?

[.dk]

Holy crap (pun intended), I did the EXACT same thing on Saturday as soon as I got there. I felt a teensy bit nauseous each morning I was there; must have been due to not being used to the water in Indianapolis. I could be pregnant, I suppose.

Also, no joke, one of the very best tourney reports I've ever read.

That city in general made me nauseous. Although Maxine's does have some KILLER chicken and waffles - the sweet potato ones were amazing with that peach butter. That was one of the only redeeming aspects of this trip...

[csy]

St. Elmos was amazing, as was Mikado. Nickie blaines had bad ass scotch and gars. And that beaver place some of us ended up on saturday night was also the tits. Overall indy had to going on.

[jandax]

The shirt was fine, but the chops got me.

[sdematt]

So then you haven't seen my burns, have you? :tongue: Not quite as unruly, but still quite impressive nonetheless.

Anyone here going to the lost city of Hotlanta for the GP?

-Matt

[Koby]

After my positive experience with Indianapolis, the West Coast Legacy crew will be attending Hotlanta just in time for the Hot-Humid-Heat. Hot Dhamn!

[sdematt]

Hm, Hotlanta falls on Canada Day, meaning I'll have an extra day to get home. But, GP Vancouver is the week before, and LA a bit before that...

Is it worth going to the deep, dark south of the US for Legacy?

-Matt

[Final Ritual]

Yes, Supergames in Atlanta is the last bastion of Legacy in the South.

[sdematt]

*whistles Dixie*

Legacy in the Plantation - GP Atlanta?

Anyone down for finding Confederate hats?

-Matt

[Mark Sun]

After my positive experience with Indianapolis, the West Coast Legacy crew will be attending Hotlanta just in time for the Hot-Humid-Heat. Hot Dhamn!

Already calling off that weekend :laugh:

[Richard Cheese]

So then you haven't seen my burns, have you? :tongue: Not quite as unruly, but still quite impressive nonetheless.

Anyone here going to the lost city of Hotlanta for the GP?

-Matt

I'll probably go just to eat more chicken and waffles.

[majikal]

Atlanta is actually a pretty fucking awesome city. There is a pretty vibrant Legacy scene, lots of great music, and they have the best rib place in the known universe (http://www.fatmattsribshack.com/) - seriously, Memphis doesn't have shit on Fat Matt's. Also, there is the off chance of randomly encountering Ludacris or Samuel L. Jackson.

[.dk]

I'll probably go just to eat more chicken and waffles.

Seconded. If they were that good in Indy, they have to be amazing in Atlanta!

[csy]

I've been committed to gp atl since day 1 of gp Indy. Can't wait

[nedleeds]

So then you haven't seen my burns, have you? :tongue: Not quite as unruly, but still quite impressive nonetheless.

Anyone here going to the lost city of Hotlanta for the GP?

-Matt

I live in Hotlanta. I can tell you when the GP rolls around in a couple of months it's going to be 3428239408 degrees with 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% humidity.

We have a pretty good legacy scene with 30 if school is in and more during summers for the weekly Wednesday at SuperGames in Atlanta.

If you get in early (wednesday) you should come up to the weekly.

[nedleeds]

I'll probably go just to eat more chicken and waffles.

This is available every 40 feet in the greater Atlanta area in the form of Waffle House. There's also Gladys Knight Chicken and Waffles in downtown if you've ever wanted to know how it feels to be the only white person at a restaurant. That has actual fried chicken and waffles, as opposed to Waffle House which is just a grilled chicken breast.

Have they announced whether the Atlanta GP will actually be in Atlanta or up at something like the Gwinician Center for Urban Sprawl? Last one was packed into the sub basement of the Marriott and was terrible.

[Richard Cheese]

This is available every 40 feet in the greater Atlanta area in the form of Waffle House. There's also Gladys Knight Chicken and Waffles in downtown if you've ever wanted to know how it feels to be the only white person at a restaurant. That has actual fried chicken and waffles, as opposed to Waffle House which is just a grilled chicken breast.

Have they announced whether the Atlanta GP will actually be in Atlanta or up at something like the Gwinician Center for Urban Sprawl? Last one was packed into the sub basement of the Marriott and was terrible.

What makes you think I'm white?

[nedleeds]

What makes you think I'm white?

Fair. I'm not white either, but I look white. Regardless of your ethnic background the food is good. If the GP is downtown again it's a 2-3 block walk from where it was last held. Otherwise the food downtown (besides the highend stuff like Mortons, or maybe RC kitchen) is pretty wretched.

[Richard Cheese]

Fair. I'm not white either, but I look white. Regardless of your ethnic background the food is good. If the GP is downtown again it's a 2-3 block walk from where it was last held. Otherwise the food downtown (besides the highend stuff like Mortons, or maybe RC kitchen) is pretty wretched.

Just kidding, I'm the pastiest motherfucker this side of Ireland. I did grow up in the South though, and I do love me some good southern comfort food, so Gladys Knight it will be (Waffle House is basically terrible).

[nedleeds]

Just kidding, I'm the pastiest motherfucker this side of Ireland. I did grow up in the South though, and I do love me some good southern comfort food, so Gladys Knight it will be (Waffle House is basically terrible).

:eek:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldpa6yHOZa1qzgbtqo1_500.jpg

[whienot]

Pretty sure this (http://www.thevortexbarandgrill.com/) is where you want to be in Atlanta, At least for a meal. Shit's delicious. I highly recommend the Vortex "Fondue"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/The_Vortex!.jpg

[.dk]

:eek:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldpa6yHOZa1qzgbtqo1_500.jpg


umm, yeah. looks pretty killer! hopefully they have something to match the peach butter from Maxine's in Indy - but it's in Georgia, so it's gotta be better, right?

[Richard Cheese]

Menu looks like entirely generic bar food. No offense, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of convincing for me to believe a place that's put so much effort into style actually has any substance.

[whienot]

Menu looks like entirely generic bar food. No offense, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of convincing for me to believe a place that's put so much effort into style actually has any substance.

Believe me, the style has more to do with the area (or corporate attitude) than being a cliche selling point. Vortex burgers have won lots of local food awards. But, I like burgers piled with odd things, tots & cheese, and beer. Not so much on the chicken and waffles.

[Richard Cheese]

Believe me, the style has more to do with the area (or corporate attitude) than being a cliche selling point. Vortex burgers have won lots of local food awards. But, I like burgers piled with odd things, tots & cheese, and beer. Not so much on the chicken and waffles.

I thought the burger place to visit in Atlanta was Ann's Snack Bar, but last I heard she was trying to sell it for way too much money, maybe it's taken a dive without her.

[Koby]

Using a card's printed text may be the worst way to start a technical discussion on how to play cards. Please read the Oracle text for Candelabra of Tawnos:

X, T: Untap X target lands.

[CorpT]

I know this is a bit late, but I was watching the Chilbert vs Castor replay on youtube, and something got me thinking at the end of the last game: couldn't Chilebrt have played around Stifle? High Tide had resolved, so Islands now tap for :u::u:. Candelabra of Tawnos doesn't have to tap, so couldn't Chilbert have used :u: to untap one land? If Castor Stifles, just use the other :u: to untap another one, which would allow him keep going off. If he doesn't, then just keep paying :u: to untap one land: you're still gaining :u: each cycle.

That's not how Candelabra works. It's a mono artifact, not a poly artifact.

[Zakman86]

I'll be at Indy. Whether I'm taking the black or not, completely different matter that isn't really up to me.

[majikal]

I'll be at Indy. Whether I'm taking the black or not, completely different matter that isn't really up to me.

fucking time travel.

[RJM]

fucking time travel.

Haha... wtf?

[Zakman86]

Haha... wtf?

Indy should be Atlanta, obviously. I shouldn't post so late at night.

[damionblackgear]

Pretty sure this (http://www.thevortexbarandgrill.com/) is where you want to be in Atlanta, At least for a meal. Shit's delicious. I highly recommend the Vortex "Fondue"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/The_Vortex!.jpg

Cardiac Arrest Burger is awesome!