From the Vault: Realms

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Announced in today's Magic Arcana: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/918



From the Farthest Reaches of the Multiverse

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Most planes of existence have their own wondrous places. But only Planeswalkers can travel to lands beyond their own and call on their mana from across the Æther. You have seen dozens of realms, and those of your kind have told you of dozens more. Your bonds to these lands are the root of your power.

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Contents and Details

15 Premium foil cards, including 7 with new art.
An exclusive spindown life counter
A collector's guide.
Each card has been printed using a foil process unique to the From the Vault series.
The 15 lands are all printed in the current card frame. For some, it is for the first time.
From the Vault: Realms will be available world-wide in English only, and will have an extremely limited print run.
All cards are black bordered and tournament legal. This means that these cards are legal for use in any tournaments where the original printings are still legal.
Please use the hashtag: #FTVRealms for discussing this product on Twitter!

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Product Concept and Development Team: Mark Gottlieb
Release Date: August 31, 2012
MSRP: $34.99


Thoughts? They still abide by the reserved list so most likely no ABU duals, but I'm hoping for a couple of the Saga lands (Cradle and Sanctum probably EDIT: these are reserved, whoops), plus Dark Depths, Cabal Coffers, and Karakas.

[Koby]

From the Vault: We've Run Out of Options
From the Vault: Look at All These Crappy Reprint-available Lands!
From the Vault: Out of Steam
From the Vault: We're Pigeon-holed Due to the Reserve List

etc

[Lemnear]

The Saga lands are on the reserved list. I would Love to see foil cradle and academy but that would not happen. Neither we'll see tabernacle, Workshop, Bazaar, Karakas, Library.

This One Looks like tawing glaciers. Bet on:

Mishra (hopefully not again reprinted),
Mutavault (the Money Pick if happening)
Wasteland (unlikely because of judge promo; strip mine was in ftv:exiled)

and a shitload of crappy legendary lands from kamigawa over Lorwyn with Dark Depths as Highlight

[Ozymandias]

That land is probably Glacial Chasm.

EDIT: Unless Glacial Crevasse on the Reserve List is actually Glacial Chasm.

Karakas is also not on the Reserved List. Wouldn't be surprised to see Phyrexian Tower, High Market, Miren, the Moaning Well, or Kor Haven. I would be impressed by Wasteland.

[I am the brainwasher]

That picture would fit perfectly in Glacial Chasm :frown:.
Dang reserved list.

[Lemnear]

That land is probably Glacial Chasm.

EDIT: Unless Glacial Crevasse is a thing.

Indeed ... Thawing glacier's is on the reserved list After they printed it's promo

[sdematt]

Definitely thinking that's Glacial Chasm, and that'll look amazing in 43 Lands.

-Matt

[Aggro_zombies]

The Saga lands are on the reserved list. I would Love to see foil cradle and academy but that would not happen. Neither we'll see tabernacle, Workshop, Bazaar, Karakas, Library.

This One Looks like tawing glaciers. Bet on:

Mishra (hopefully not again reprinted),
Mutavault (the Money Pick if happening)
Wasteland (unlikely because of judge promo; strip mine was in ftv:exiled)

and a shitload of crappy legendary lands from kamigawa over Lorwyn with Dark Depths as Highlight
Just to note, Karakas, and the other legendary lands in its cycle, are not on the Reserved list (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy).

The best lands they can't reprint because of the list are:
The duals
Mishra's Workshop
Gaea's Cradle
Tolarian Academy
Volrath's Stronghold
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Bazaar of Baghdad
Library of Alexandria

Cards that would be good for this product because of historical significance, but which can't be reprinted, are:

Thawing Glaciers
Kjeldoran Outpost
City of Traitors

There are maybe one or two other good lands that can't be reprinted (Diamond Valley is the only one I see).

The good lands that can be reprinted:

Maze of Ith
Mutavault
Wasteland
Ancient Tomb
Rishadan Port
Academy Ruins
Horizon Canopy
All 10 fetches

There are also lands that aren't really Legacy-playable (or not widely playable) but are nevertheless good:

All 10 shocklands
All 6 artifact lands

Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Vesuva
Cloudpost
Kor Haven
Cabal Coffers
Mishra's Factory

This FtV is likely going to be better than FtV: Legends was, considering there were only a handful of cards for that set that had any real value.

EDIT: On the plus side, since Sorrow's Path is on the Reserved List, we don't have to worry about it being in this release!

[(nameless one)]

Aren't these (outside of the Exiled) preview a card from an upcoming set?

[xfxf]

My guess is that the image could be for a Scalding Tarn. It's cracking to reveal an island or a mountain...
Do they reveal the list of cards before the release?

[DrHealex]

I feel with the emphasis on realms, they will choose a representative or 2 for each popular plane in the multiverse. Fetches and shocklands and any other playable full cycle of lands will no doubt be excluded. 14 slots and 1 preview slot.
PARTIAL(RELEVANT?) LIST OF PLANES:
Alara - Reliquary Tower?
Dominaria
Innistrad
Kamigawa
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor - Murmuring Bosk
Mercadia - Tower of Magistrate, High Market, Rishadan Port
Ravnica -
Rabiah - City of Brass
Ulgrotha
Zendikar -
Mirrodin/New Phyrexia - Blinkmoth/Inkmoth Nexus
Phyrexia - Phyrexian Tower
Rath - Wasteland

[majikal]

Isn't there supposed to be a preview from the next block in this thing? Supposedly this FTV is "the stone cold nuts" so maybe we'll get a snow dual in it. [/baseless speculation]

[Koby]

WotC has explicitily stated when they were featuring a preview card. Refer to the Legends and Relics FTV pages, and compare with Exiled.

[sdematt]

There's going to be a new card in general (not unexpected), or the art released is for a new card?

-Matt

[Aggro_zombies]

There's going to be a new card in general (not unexpected), or the art released is for a new card?

-Matt
FtV: Legends was announced with Teferi's artwork, while FtV: Dragons showed Hellkite Overlord. So it can be either one.

EDIT: They should put Command Tower in this. I want a foil version.

[Mr. Safety]

Realistically, I hope I see these in the set:

Cabal Coffers
Mutavault
Academy Ruins
Dark Depths

Some of my own personal speculation for the ones that will get included:

Windbrisk Heights (covers Lorwyn)
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea (covers Kamigawa)
Pillar of the Paruns (covers Ravnica)
Rupture Spire (covers Alara)
Tower of the Magistrate (covers Masques)

[Aggro_zombies]

I would think Vitu-Ghazi would be better for Ravnica, since it saw play. Pillar is both bad and forgettable.

[Mr. Safety]

You are definately right about that one seeing more play...but Pillar of the Paruns captures the 'essence' of Ravnica better. Ravnica block was the first block to use hybrid mana symbols and multi-colored cards were it's bread and butter. Pillar fits pretty good as far as flavor is concerned, and looking at the other FtV sets, flavor is pretty high on Wizards' priority list when doing these.

[UnsungHero]

Grand Coliseum is pretty bad, but Im sure it will be it in this set, due to its presence in the Odyssey/Onslaught blocks storyline.

[264505]

Hopefully the money card is a Wasteland or Karakas.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

They should put Command Tower in this. I want a foil version.

This would be a solid play on their part. I don't see it happening.

[Koby]

This would be a solid play on their part. I don't see it happening.

I also agree with this. Take any good idea that WotC could make, and do the opposite. That's the usual play I see them making.

[socialite]

I really wish people would stop pointing out how the reserve list limits these types of printings. Obviously the reserve list does the very thing people are pointing out but I'd argue that this is very much in the best interest of the game.

If anyone else has played other CCGs then you'd understand how a no reprint policy can absolutely devalue and ultimately ruin a card game. Free reign on printings like FTV utterly terrifies me.
A great example would be special Yugioh reprints where the company was under no obligation to limit printings. The provider would print extremely powerful cards and price them very highly, eventually producing more prints at a significantly reduced price later on down the line blowing out the bottom line and essentially fucking over the players and their wallets.

No thanks.

[CorpT]

I really wish people would stop pointing out how the reserve list limits these types of printings. Obviously the reserve list does the very thing people are pointing out but I'd argue that this is very much in the best interest of the game.

Yeah, I hate when lots of people can get cards are cheap prices and play tournaments with me. It really sucks. I'd much rather sit on my pile of duals and laugh maniacally and the unwashed masses who can't play a game with me.

[socialite]

Yeah, I hate when lots of people can get cards are cheap prices and play tournaments with me. It really sucks. I'd much rather sit on my pile of duals and laugh maniacally and the unwashed masses who can't play a game with me.


We are the 99%?

No really, you're right to an extent. However I'd argue that the reserve list is there to protect the players more than people like to admit.

As soon as you lose the confidence of the players you lose the game.

Edit: Try Standard, who knew there'd be card shortages in Eternal formats? 8X

[mini1337s]

I'll put my money on Karakas over Wasteland being reprinted. Wasteland has already been reprinted in foil twice, but Karakas just doesn't exist outside of Legends. People who want foil Wastelands have them already, but there are a lot of us waiting to foil out our Karakas :P

[Octopusman]

More like we are the 1%.

Abolishing the reserve list wouldn't make me lose confidence in Wizards. In fact, it would strengthen my faith in them... that they are actually doing something correct to stimulate the only format I care about.

Collectors worrying about their investment losing value is the catalyst for the downfall of Vintage/Legacy.
Most people would be content with having a collection with lower resale value and people to play with versus the opposite. However, it doesn't matter.

Like ruckus said, I just expect Wizards to do the opposite of what I feel is good for the format I like. I think it's pretty clear that they don't care about Legacy, let alone Vintage. The permanence of the reserve list embodies this pretty clearly imo.

I have to quote Cats on this: "You are on the road to destruction".

Having FTV:Lands and not being able to reprint the best cards in the game's history kind of makes me laugh. In a sad sad way (similar to relics having no time vault/mask/jewelry/lotus).

[edit]: No mention of Dust Bowl?

[Picc]

Yeah, I hate when lots of people can get cards are cheap prices and play tournaments with me. It really sucks. I'd much rather sit on my pile of duals and laugh maniacally and the unwashed masses who can't play a game with me.

The problem with yugioh was that the companies running it utterly sold out. The first few set (I say up to psv) were a fun environment but that was about the tipping point for competitiveness. Much past there you basically needed a deck consisting of nothing but 1 per box mythics to win. Fast forward about a year and those mythics have all been reprinted at common and obsoleted. The issue wasn't the reprints themselves it was the brutal way the games power creep was milked.

Its not the same as wotc deciding to reprint duals after 10+ years. Its more like JTMS being re-printed as a common in a ROE event deck, oh and ya Eye of ugin now taps for 20 mana. After it happens a few times you start to feel a little jerked around.



I'll put my money on Karakas over Wasteland being reprinted. Wasteland has already been reprinted in foil twice, but Karakas just doesn't exist outside of Legends. People who want foil Wastelands have them already, but there are a lot of us waiting to foil out our Karakas :P

Moving extra foil wastelands isnt a problem Id mind having XD

[xfxf]

This is not a reserve list/reprints thread but I just want to make this short comment. I've spent a good deal on those duals myself but if they were reprinted as foils in abundance as promos etc. the old ones would still be the "pimp" ones and retain their value imo. The new Sol Ring is ugly as shit compared to the beta Sol Ring. It would be the same with a 2012 print foil, curly, shitty Underground Sea. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Back on the topic, I would like to see any kind of manlands in this set because other than Stalking Stones I can't comprehend how lands are able to transform into creatures. Maybe a new art would help me imagine that.

[Mr. Safety]

I'm betting the money card is Mutavault, for what it's worth...

[bruizar]

This is not a reserve list/reprints thread but I just want to make this short comment. I've spent a good deal on those duals myself but if they were reprinted as foils in abundance as promos etc. the old ones would still be the "pimp" ones and retain their value imo. The new Sol Ring is ugly as shit compared to the beta Sol Ring. It would be the same with a 2012 print foil, curly, shitty Underground Sea. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it..

Actually, this is not true. Any old card with a white border will plummet. Berserk unlimited and Berserk FTV nearly the same price in my country, whereas beta is twice as expensive. The only duals that would really retain its value would be beta and alpha, the rest would drop. Since there are only 1100 of each dual in alpha and a bunch more in beta, most of us would have their collection evaporate.


Its called Magic the GATHERING for a reason. its a COLLECTIBLE trading card game. Without that aspect, you might as well just play a 52 card poker deck.


EDIT: ON TOPIC

I would really love Ancient Tomb, but not in the crappy FTV foiling technique. A sweet ass old judge foil without a gigantic fugly star or DCI stamped on it, the way they did Intuition and Wasteland. If Ancient Tomb is done (the right way), I'm going to hunt down Occam's foil City of Traitors so hard to complete the pimp land set.

[Malacoda]

I seriously doubt they're going to reprint Karakas. It's banned in EDH, and these things tend to be casually geared a lot of the time even if they do have Legacy staples. Karakas is a 1-of in two popular Legacy decks and a 1-of in a bunch of fringe Legacy decks. My bet for the money card is Maze of Ith, since it's an EDH favorite and goes in Legacy too. I just hope they don't print it with that disgusting Judge promo art if they do Maze.

Like a lot of people have pointed out, the problem here is that we could get some awesome lands in foil but they'll still have the FTV foiling process no matter how hot the art looks :(

[csy]

completely agree, maze of ith was the first card that I saw and went "what is that!". seriously hate the judge art.

[(nameless one)]

completely agree, maze of ith was the first card that I saw and went "what is that!". seriously hate the judge art.


If Maze of Ith does see print on this, i doubt that it will get a new art.

[ramanujan]

The reserved list discussion has been done to death, please stop.

As far as the realms, I think this will be the best FTV yet. My bet is also on Mutavault being the marquee card. I don't know if any other card would be a better fit for that spot.

[DrHealex]

Realistically, I hope I see these in the set:

Cabal Coffers
Mutavault
Academy Ruins
Dark Depths

Some of my own personal speculation for the ones that will get included:

Windbrisk Heights (covers Lorwyn)
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea (covers Kamigawa)
Pillar of the Paruns (covers Ravnica)
Rupture Spire (covers Alara)
Tower of the Magistrate (covers Masques)

Actually, I think reflecting pool would cover lorwyn if avoiding cycles. Masques has soo many good lands

[TheArchitect]

Actually, I think reflecting pool would cover lorwyn if avoiding cycles. Masques has soo many good lands
Judging by FTV: legends they dont seem to mind having just one part of a cycle and reflecting pool doesnt really feel lorwyn specific (it was a reprint even, afterall).

I would prefer to see wasteland/karakas/maze of ith, but knowing how much wizards loves legacy, I bet we will see mutavault as the seller card to try to promote modern more than anything.

However, I have pretty good expectations for this. Between legacy and EDH, I am sure I will actually want to play a lot of the lands that will be in here.

[Malakai]

Actually, I think reflecting pool would cover lorwyn if avoiding cycles. Masques has soo many good lands

You mean it would cover Tempest?

[Aggro_zombies]

You mean it would cover Tempest?
You can get Wasteland and Ancient Tomb out of Tempest. Besides, they completely skipped Ravnica block in FtV: Legends despite there being a number of good, high-profile candidates there.

[Amon Amarth]

My overly optimistic list:

1. Wasteland
2. Rishadan Port
3. Dust Bowl
4. Ancient Tomb
5. Maze of Ith
6. Karakas
7. Dark Depths
8. Vesuva
9. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
10. Mutavault
11. Glacial Chasm
12. Command Tower
13. High Market
14. Cabal Coffers
15. City of Brass

Still missing a few things like Academy Ruins and a few other playable lands. I'd be happy if they gave competitive players any reason to actually purchase this set. I REALLY do not want another FTV:L. So many good cards that could be on this list it sucks they'll probably fill it with chaff. Anything newer than TSP block will just be wasteful. Also, it seems like this would be a terrible product to reprint shocks/fetches etc. because of how little this set will be produced. Those are definitely Core Set cards and not for something special/unique/cool like this. That would be the ultimate WotC troll, IMO.

[GoblinSettler]

Also, it seems like this would be a terrible product to reprint shocks/fetches etc. because of how little this set will be produced. Those are definitely Core Set cards and not for something special/unique/cool like this. That would be the ultimate WotC troll, IMO.

After hearing rumors that the next block would be a return to Ravnica, then having those rumors quashed, I have been wanting this: A "return to Ravnica" themed Core Set. It would be a neat change of pace and a new angle to drum up Core Set excitement. As a potential upside from WotC's perspective, any mana base issues from reprinting the Shock lands could pass in just a year instead of two.

On topic:
1) I hope this FtV lives up to its potential.
2) I love the old Glacial Chasm art. New art looks slick, but can't compare in my eyes.

[dschalter]

My overly optimistic list:

1. Wasteland
2. Rishadan Port
3. Dust Bowl
4. Ancient Tomb
5. Maze of Ith
6. Karakas
7. Dark Depths
8. Vesuva
9. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
10. Mutavault
11. Glacial Chasm
12. Command Tower
13. High Market
14. Cabal Coffers
15. City of Brass

Still missing a few things like Academy Ruins and a few other playable lands. I'd be happy if they gave competitive players any reason to actually purchase this set. I REALLY do not want another FTV:L. So many good cards that could be on this list it sucks they'll probably fill it with chaff. Anything newer than TSP block will just be wasteful. Also, it seems like this would be a terrible product to reprint shocks/fetches etc. because of how little this set will be produced. Those are definitely Core Set cards and not for something special/unique/cool like this. That would be the ultimate WotC troll, IMO.

Well, if you want it to cost quite a lot, sure. You're setting yourself up to be disappointed here.

[Amon Amarth]

Well, if you want it to cost quite a lot, sure. You're setting yourself up to be disappointed here.

Hence the "overly optimistic" part. :P

[DownSyndromeKarl]

If it were all 10 ABU Duals, Karakas, Tabernacle, Maze of Ith, *Preview Card*, and Glacial Chasm, I'd still get it at just above cost. :cool:

Seriously though, this thing needs Command Tower, the more I think about it, the more it's like "How could they not?"

[nedleeds]

Sadly all 10 dual lands wouldn't impact the prices too much for those on the 'legacy costs too much' train. With the limited print run, the prices on the foils would go plaid. Maybe a slight dip of revised prices for a short time, but the people gunning for 40 foil FTV duals are likely those that already have betas, fbbs and are into high end 'pimp'.

Guesses on what the foils would settle on after 6 months?

[Humphrey]

Im 100% there will be NO Wastland, since there are already 2 Promofoils, its relative expensive and there are more than enough available.

My bets on the money cards are Rishadan Port and Karakas or Mutavault. Factory is the more iconic manland, but also has been printed a thousand times.

About the other cards, idk. Pretty sure 3-4 are EDH staples.

[dschalter]

Hence the "overly optimistic" part. :P

Yeah, but that's asking for ~200 dollars of cards to be included in something with an 'MSRP' of 35. Obviously the MSRP hasn't been followed for other sets, but they don't want the disparity to be that large. The only one that came close was Exiled and that had more to do with the availability of Berserk (a card that wasn't in particularly high demand) than anything else.

[JACO]

From the Vault: Realms
15 Premium foil cards, including 7 with new art

Ancient Tomb
City of Brass
Command Tower
Dryad Arbor
Glacial Chasm
Karakas
Kor Haven
Lake of the Dead
Mishra's Factory
Pillar of the Paruns
Reliquary Tower
Rishadan Port
Sejiri Steppe (or Bojuka Bog, they need another cheap filler in this slot)
Tolaria West
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Wasteland

That's what I'd liked to see in there, and think it would be a sweet mix. All of these lands have a special "realm" feeling to them, and it's a mix of a few big dollar cards with mostly smaller stuff that appeals to EDH players.

[bruizar]

From the Vault: Realms
15 Premium foil cards, including 7 with new art

Ancient Tomb
City of Brass
Command Tower
Dryad Arbor
Glacial Chasm
Karakas
Kor Haven
Lake of the Dead
Mishra's Factory
Pillar of the Paruns
Reliquary Tower
Rishadan Port
Sejiri Steppe (or Bojuka Bog, they need another cheap filler in this slot)
Tolaria West
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Wasteland

That's what I'd liked to see in there, and think it would be a sweet mix. All of these lands have a special "realm" feeling to them, and it's a mix of a few big dollar cards with mostly smaller stuff that appeals to EDH players.

Seriously, I'd be upset if they'd print half of the cards you mentioned. Why am I collecting foils again?

[Amon Amarth]

I'd love to see Lake of the Dead but it's on the RL unfortunately.

[Aggro_zombies]

So, according to this thread (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=398649), one of the judge promos for Barcelona is Command Tower. Considering Xaihou Dun was left out of FtV: Legends (replaced by Cao Cao) but then printed later as a judge promo, I'd say Command Tower is probably not in FtV: Realms.

Pity. Those Towers will be expensive.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

Pity. Those Towers will be expensive.

Or free :tongue:

[DrJones]

I don't think the set will have a land that is part of a straight cycle (so no fetchlands, or cycling lands), I don't think it will have two lands that have nearly the same effect (so if there's City of Brass, I don't think they will put Thran Quarry in there), and I think they will have at least one land for each color to play (example, Karakas).

Most of the historically interesting lands are either in the reserved list, too expensive (I don't think there will be more than one money card in FtV) or too unfun (in the sense of what WotC understands is fun), so I believe this FtV is bound to be even worse than FtV: Legends, and that one was terrible.

Anyways, I'm going to ignore my last paragraph for a moment, and post a terribly optimistic list of cards that I hope will be included in it:

1.- Wasteland
2.- Glacial Chasm
3.- Karakas
4.- Rishadan Port
5.- Dark Depths
6.- City of Brass
7.- Academy Ruins
8.- Mosswort Bridge
9.- Vesuva
10.- Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
11.- Ancient Tomb
12.- Cabal Coffers
13.- Mishra's Factory
14.- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
15.- Maze of Ith

[ramanujan]

Okay,

So I may be slightly too intoxicated for this to be a realistic prediction, Missou lost and as an Iowa State fan I am more than happy. What if they included a set of basic lands in this thing. It would totally go with the whole from the vaults feel.

[Aggro_zombies]

Okay,

So I may be slightly too intoxicated for this to be a realistic prediction, Missou lost and as an Iowa State fan I am more than happy. What if they included a set of basic lands in this thing. It would totally go with the whole from the vaults feel.
I'm pretty sure the most exciting basics they could put in there would be Guru lands, which seems like it might not be a bright idea.

I guess they could include the Arabian Nights Mountain or rare Alpha Island, but whatever.

[DrJones]

The only basic land they could put in there is the Wald (http://squt.tripod.com/MainError.html)