Vintage Grand Prix

[Solaran_X]

Assuming card availability/price was not a concern, if WotC announced a Vintage Grand Prix for 2013 - how many of you would participate in the event?

[cuthbertthecat]

That would be great. I get the feeling the format would be like when legacy first started getting major attention and tons of new, tier 1 worthy brews would emerge.

[Koby]

I'd be interested in going provided I could afford to travel to the location.

Your Brony power might not be legal by MTR however.

[Mark Sun]

In a heartbeat. Would finally give me an excuse to acquire more Power :cool:

[ImpinAintEasy]

I voted maybe as location would be key for me as well.

[Julian23]

If it was in Europe (or...Northern Africa), I would definitely go. Would be funny if someone was to put up best unpowered prices, lol.

[Malchar]

I've never played vintage, so I would only attend if I could travel to the GP for free.

[Solaran_X]

I'd be interested in going provided I could afford to travel to the location.

Your Brony power might not be legal by MTR however.
I have a feeling they would not be allowed only if a particular level 2 was head judging a GP. Which I don't think is likely, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe.

[xfxf]

If it were in Europe I'd buy a plane ticket and go. Even if I played a budget deck or a semi-powered deck it would be a great experience to network with a huge Vintage community there. The way I observed, the Vintage community has more of their nostalgic Magic roots compared to the Legacy community which have a lot of new players who are trying to transition to it from Standard. Plus, I'd certainly be more willing to spend my cash on power if there were more events like BoM during the year.

[Koby]

Oh hush, you guys have Bazaar of Moxen, which is 100000% better than a GP for Vintage.

Go win some Power 9 or something why don't you :o

[lordofthepit]

Location would be a big issue for me as well. I would never travel more than one hour to play Magic.

But if that weren't an issue, sure.

[Royal Ass.]

I never travel outside of my city for magic tournaments but if there was Vintage GP I would seriously consider it. I'm still hoping to make it to GenCon in the next few years. Type 1 is such an awesome format and I have all the cards for it, but I don't get to play it locally anymore since the scene died out. So much nostalgia and awesomeness. Sadly a Type 1 GP is wishful thinking. Were probably lucky they throw us a few Legacy GPs these days.

[Zakman86]

I have a feeling they would not be allowed only if a particular level 2 was head judging a GP. Which I don't think is likely, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe.

I have a feeling you're 100% wrong, but keep trying to troll harder. (Hint: You're bad at it)

[Solaran_X]

I have a feeling you're 100% wrong, but keep trying to troll harder. (Hint: You're bad at it)
Once again, I trust the decision of a level 5 I've met over the decision of someone random on the Internet who claims to be a level 2 I've never met.

[Mr.C]

I would. Seems fun to be able to play lotus sac lotus :D

[Solaran_X]

I would. Seems fun to be able to play lotus sac lotus :D
It's more fun to play Lotus, sac for BBB, cast Yawgmoth's Will, and then recast Lotus!

[coraz86]

Oh hush, you guys have Bazaar of Moxen, which is 100000% better than a GP for Vintage.

This. Also Legacy is the only format I can really justify ignoring location for.

Although I (as was previously suggested) would be more interested if there was a bonus for unpowered decks placing, as I can barely justify laying out for cards to play legacy bi-monthly, let alone Vintage like once a year maybe if Wizards puts the GP somewhere I can drive to.

[Solaran_X]

Although I (as was previously suggested) would be more interested if there was a bonus for unpowered decks placing, as I can barely justify laying out for cards to play legacy bi-monthly, let alone Vintage like once a year maybe if Wizards puts the GP somewhere I can drive to.
Doesn't Bazaar of Moxen do that? Some special prize for best performing "budget" deck (No Power, Imp Seal, Grim Tutor, Mana Drain, Workshop, or Bazaar) and best performing "unPowered" deck (No Power, but everything else is cool)?

Me and another one or two guys in my group who play Vintage are actually considering a trip to BoM next year from Pittsburgh.

[coraz86]

They do, in fact. I'm pretty sure the Legacy Champs at GenCon do so as well, though I'm not sure enough to be quoted on the matter.

I mean, it's not like there's a bonus at Legacy Grand Prix for decks without duals (or Di would be a significantly happier dude right now), but as pleased as I would be for even beat Unlimited Power I don't have the money for it. And I'd probably still be trying to track down a set of Bazaars to play Dredge, because there's zero Vintage meta where I live and that's about what I could do to get into the format.

[dahcmai]

I sold most of my power a while back when I was convinced the prices were starting to top out. I only have some blue cards and my lotuses leftover anymore. No Moxes to speak of. It's rough playing without those.

If it wasn't a concern though, I still don't think I would. Vintage changed a lot since I played it and I have no clue what the meta is like and wouldn't even try to guess what random people would bring. The meta would be a mess.

Not to mention, I have seen quite a few Vintage decks that were recent and they seem a little overly technical anymore. Too much of having to know your own deck intimately.

[thecrav]

Not to mention, I have seen quite a few Vintage decks that were recent and they seem a little overly technical anymore. Too much of having to know your own deck intimately.

I think that right there is one of the things a lot of people would consider as a reason to play vintage!

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I've heard that Vintage has gotten a lot better recently, but I still wouldn't be too interested unless it were right next door.

[HAVE HEART]

Part of the allure of Vintage is playing with cards that are old and rare. If card availability was not an issue, then that would take away some of the luster that a huge Vintage tournament would have, which is why I chose maybe.

[thefringthing]

I'd attend given it was reasonably close by and given that I could borrow Power, etc.

[xfxf]

I've heard that Vintage has gotten a lot better recently, but I still wouldn't be too interested unless it were right next door.

I'm a Vintage enthusiast but it's really not easy to find active Vintage communities to really get into the format and play games very often. I agree that it takes away a part of your interest.

[aahz]

I voted Yes (even though the answer would really be maybe based on date/location) because Vintage is awesome. I noticed that Vintage Champs is NOT on the GGsLive schedule this year (despite events listed at least through the end of August). Last year there was only Top8 coverage. I really hope there is video coverage this year because Vintage is by far the best format for spectator Magic.

[Vacrix]

If I had more Vintage cards I'd be so down. Otherwise, I could probably take SI and at least compete with those decks on speed.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Forget Vintage though how about a Pauper GP

[Mark Sun]

Forget Vintage though how about a Pauper GP

I'll just show up at the front door with a stack of Serrated Arrows :cool:

[iPhael]

Im fairly certain that anyone would play vintage if price was a non-factor. Power is just too far out of reach for most of us, but playing Proxy/MWS is beyond fun.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Im fairly certain that anyone would play vintage if price was a non-factor. Power is just too far out of reach for most of us, but playing Proxy/MWS is beyond fun.

Playing Vintage on MWS is like punching yourself in the balls with brass knuckles.

[bruizar]

Playing Vintage on MWS is like punching yourself in the balls with brass knuckles.

QFT.Vintage with fake cards is a silly exercize

[The Wolf]

QFT.Vintage with fake cards is a silly exercize


Playing vintage with any unlimited cards in your deck is also a waste of time. Its not really fun unless the power and duals are black bordered

[Solaran_X]

Playing vintage with any unlimited cards in your deck is also a waste of time. Its not really fun unless the power and duals are black bordered
These are Unlimited.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/Solaran_X/PowerDualsAlters.jpg

Anyways...I am glad to see how many Vintage supporters this forum has. Really wish they would open a Vintage subforum - TMD is pretty barren these days.

[Dark Ritual]

If card availability weren't an issue, I would only go if it were close by. I didn't attend GP Providence and legacy is the only format I play. Heck, even traveling to Indy was a bit of a stretch since the drive was something around 10 hours one way. Also, whenever I play vintage I almost always scrub out hard due to lack of experience in the format.

If a GP for Vintage were announced, the price of power would skyrocket though...you'd probably be lucky if you could find an unlimited lotus for under one grand and there would probably be even more fakes floating around.

I tried playing vintage on cockatrice once. I never did so again...

[honestabe]

I said maybe. As long as it was close by, I would definitely go though. In terms of viable decks, and power level, Vintage is possibly the best right now than it's ever been.

[Picc]

Im fairly certain that anyone would play vintage if price was a non-factor. Power is just too far out of reach for most of us, but playing Proxy/MWS is beyond fun.

That if anything is a large part of the problem with the North American vintage scene. Most people just aren't interested unless they can play a fully powered T1 deck out of the gate. From everything I've heard the EU meta does a lot more to encourage play with partly powered or unpowered decks (If no one can proxy you don't always have to assume every opponent is fully powered). I guess its an inevitable trade off to the 10 proxy methodology we've adopted but it still seems odd to me.

If you don't have the cards for a given deck in type 2 you find substitutes or play something else or attack the established meta or play a t2 strategy (tinker bot anyone). But when people start talking about vintage you suddenly get a very all or nothing attitude. No one likes being the underdog I guess.

Anyway to answer the original question, yes. If there was a vintage gp I'd take my partial power and go just show wizards the community still wants to support vintage but I don't think its going to happen unless there's a major shift in the way we as a community look at vintage.

Power helps, it helps a lot, but there are a other cards in vintage besides shops, bazaars and lotuses.

[emidln]

If you're already a legacy player, Gushbond Doomsday is an extremely competitive option that only uses 4 pieces of power (Lotus, Sapphire, Jet, Recall). Granted, they're the four most expensive pieces, but it does save you from acquiring 3 moxen + walk + twister/time vault. Similarly, there are numerous G/W brews along the lines of legacy maverick that are being played to good results that only use Lotus + Emerald + Pearl. Neither of these decks walk into a room as underdogs and both can give you different looks at how vintage plays out (Doomsday giving you the broken blue experience while G/W showcasing aggression and prison aspects of the format).

[socialite]

If you're already a legacy player, Gushbond Doomsday is an extremely competitive option that only uses 4 pieces of power (Lotus, Sapphire, Jet, Recall). Granted, they're the four most expensive pieces, but it does save you from acquiring 3 moxen + walk + twister/time vault. Similarly, there are numerous G/W brews along the lines of legacy maverick that are being played to good results that only use Lotus + Emerald + Pearl. Neither of these decks walk into a room as underdogs and both can give you different looks at how vintage plays out (Doomsday giving you the broken blue experience while G/W showcasing aggression and prison aspects of the format).

This this this. The biggest issues with Type 1 are the numerous misconceptions that surround its accessibility and power level.