RUG Tempos real name

[Einherjer]

There's been a discuission on the RUG Tempo thread about this decks real name. Is it Canadian Threshold or RUG Delver/Tempo? I think in order to calrifiy this, it'd be a good idea to make a poll about this topic.

Greetings

EDIT: Sorry I meant Canadian Threshold in the poll. I am sorry.
I just recognized that I typed Threshold wrong all the time. Excuses for this.

[Wereodile]

I'm Canadian and David Caplan (goobafish here on mtgsource) who was a pretty predominate player of the deck, slings cards here in my home town so I have to go to bat for Canadian Threshold.

RUG Tempo isn't a terrible name either, Canadian Thresh just sounds cooler #solidreasoning

[Einherjer]

Agreed.

Someone argued in the RUG Tempo's thread that SCG refuses to label this deck as Canadian Threshold because they say on of their (SCG) guys invited this deck - as there are Snapcasters+Delver in it. And the traditional Canadian didnt play it (oh really? I guess they weren't printed back then right?^^)

Greetings

[Pherion]

I really don't care what it's called, but RUG Tempo to me is more descriptive of what the deck actually does. In fact, when I first started playing the deck, I couldn't find it anywhere on other forums because Canadian Threshold has not much to do with the deck anymore. I mean Mongoose is still in there, but Werebear... no so much.

On a side note, thanks for moving this out of the main deck discussion thread. It didn't really need to be in there, and here it can be discussed as a topic of it's own.

[wcm8]

Significant changes to the list:
-adding 3-4 additional creatures
-often dropping Stifle in favor of Spell Pierce, or at least playing some number of Pierce in the main
-generally cutting the 'flex'/utility slots like V. Clique, Rushing River, Wipe Away, etc.
-generally cutting Fire//Ice entirely in favor of Forked Bolt, Dismember, and/or Chain Lightning
-some lists cutting FoW to 3
-some lists using Snapcaster and/or Scavenging Ooze
-some lists using Green Sun Zenith
-sideboard cards choices adapting to the modern metagame
-the only 'threshold' card remaining is Nimble Mongoose. Ancient threshold decks sometimes played stuff like Werebear, Mystic Enforcer, and/or Fledgling Dragon alongside the Goose, giving more reason for the original name

With the additional creatures, the deck plays out more like a modern 'Merfolk' deck, in that it's a blue deck that beats [most] other blue decks with aggressive creatures + disruption while still having game against the rest of the field.

I think the naming convention is arbitrary. Canadian Threshold is an interesting piece of Legacy history, but the deck has evolved quite a bit from its roots and I think the changes are significant enough that the deck can be renamed to better reflect what it actually is.

tl;dr: I don't care

[Purgatory]

RUG Tempo is more descriptive, but Canadian Threshold is a cooler name, and it carries more weight in Legacy history.

Also, Legacy is full of decks with non-descriptive names.

I vote Canadian Threshold, it's what I've been calling it since I first sleeved it up, circa 2008.

[Sloshthedark]

I imagine different decks under the names and I strongly prefer color order by importance over pseudo funny associations

Canadian Threshold - 4xgoyf, 4xMongoose 20 to the face, Rushing River or Clique classics, now with delver
URG Thresh - CT non standard lists
RUG Tempo - snapcasters, grims ... I used American Threshold as a working term for standard lists with Snapcasters over Mongoose, that only American guys used to play while my european friends sad its total crap

=delver, stifle, mongoose list is a Canadian Threshold successor for me everything other is URG tempo or NLT

[xfxf]

There are no blades in Stoneblade nowadays mostly but it's still called Stoneblade init? At least RUG has Goose. Don't piss me off or I'll call it the Red Miracle Gro. After all, the modern Threshold decks have their roots in the old Gro decks.

[KevinTrudeau]

Canadian Thresh. Thanks for making this thread, as this needed to be discussed/clarified.

[Mark Sun]

RUG Tempo is more descriptive, but Canadian Threshold is a cooler name, and it carries more weight in Legacy history.

+1

Like I said in its discussion thread, the naming of a deck is generally irrelevant. I've been calling it RUG Delver/RUG Tempo to try to be more descriptive to people who are unfamiliar with the format. Instead of asking what is so Canadian about the deck, they can deduce what the strategy is from the name (3 color tempo strategy). I'm fine with that.

[(nameless one)]

It's called Canadian, also there was already an archetype called NO RUG.

Since we're talking about names, it's really Benzo, not Reanimator; Secret Force, not NO RUG; MUD, not Metalworker; Excalibur ("http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16881-Deck-Excalibur), not Blade Control (see what I did there).


Also, why Maverick? Why not stick to G/W Survival as an ode to the banned card?

EDIT: can we call MUD as Workshop? I know Workshop is banned in legacy but it's essentially where the archetype comes from.

[Julian23]

Ok, here's a piece of enlightenment for everybody who's confused about decknames.

Canadian Threshold is the old 58 fixed cards + Rushing River and Clique deck. It recently added 4 Delver because it fits its general plan perfectly.

RUG Tempo plays Snapcaster Mage and often drops Stifle. It's actually pretty close to what used to be NO RUG. In case you've played NO RUG you will surely agree. RUG Tempo's fundamental turn is 1 turn slower than NO Rug because of the banning on Mental Misstep.

Right now, there's a clear distinction between these two decks in the form of Snapcaster and their opinion on Stifle. I'm friends with (or at least know) some of the very best European Canadian Threshold pilots and they would all never touch Snapcaster Mage because it doesn't belong in the deck.

[JBlaze]

The deck has nothing to do with Sasquatch or hockey rug tempo quickly and concisely explains what the deck does to anyone with a general knowledge of magic speak.
If there is a point it is that when we are talking strategy in person or on a website such as this for simplicity sake let's use names that are straightforward and descriptive.

[Koby]

I agree, we need more strategic discussion of The Mighty Quinn. </tangent>

[majikal]

Both of those names are terrible. All of the names of every deck are terrible. We should just rename everything to "Boner Soup" and denote it by color.

[mini1337s]

Both of those names are terrible. All of the names of every deck are terrible. We should just rename everything to "Boner Soup" and denote it by color.
"RUG Boner Soup" does have a nice ring to it

[Kl'rt]

Significant changes to the list:
-adding 3-4 additional creatures
-often dropping Stifle in favor of Spell Pierce, or at least playing some number of Pierce in the main
-generally cutting the 'flex'/utility slots like V. Clique, Rushing River, Wipe Away, etc.
-generally cutting Fire//Ice entirely in favor of Forked Bolt, Dismember, and/or Chain Lightning
-some lists cutting FoW to 3
-some lists using Snapcaster and/or Scavenging Ooze
-some lists using Green Sun Zenith
-sideboard cards choices adapting to the modern metagame
-the only 'threshold' card remaining is Nimble Mongoose. Ancient threshold decks sometimes played stuff like Werebear, Mystic Enforcer, and/or Fledgling Dragon alongside the Goose, giving more reason for the original name

With the additional creatures, the deck plays out more like a modern 'Merfolk' deck, in that it's a blue deck that beats [most] other blue decks with aggressive creatures + disruption while still having game against the rest of the field.

I think the naming convention is arbitrary. Canadian Threshold is an interesting piece of Legacy history, but the deck has evolved quite a bit from its roots and I think the changes are significant enough that the deck can be renamed to better reflect what it actually is.

tl;dr: I don't care

I don't know if I can agree the deck in its current form is that much different from the old Canadian Threshold. If you would just compare this old list:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/18018_Legacys_Allure_Canadian_Threshold_With_Ben_Wienburg.html

to Kenny Castor's 2nd place list at GP Indy:
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.php?id=7872&iddeck=57326

are the two decks really that different from each other? All I see is Delver instead of V.Clique, and Forked Bolt instead of Fire/Ice. Oh, and there's a singleton SDT in Kenny's list. Everything else in the two lists is the same! Can we really say the modern list is that much different from the old list?

[Kl'rt]

The deck has nothing to do with Sasquatch or hockey rug tempo quickly and concisely explains what the deck does to anyone with a general knowledge of magic speak.
If there is a point it is that when we are talking strategy in person or on a website such as this for simplicity sake let's use names that are straightforward and descriptive.

What does Maverick have to do with fighter jets? What does Team America have to do with NASCAR? Why don't we just call Maverick "GW Stoneblade" or "GW Aggro" then. And change the name of the Team America thread to "BUG Tempo". After all, it would quickly and concisely explain what the deck does...

[thefringthing]

Chose "Canadian Threshold" for patriotic reasons and because Cappy is a cool guy.

Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade". Handy reference guide:
UW Stoneblade = UW Stoneblade
Deadguy Ale = BW Stoneblade
Maverick = GW Stoneblade
Team America = BUG Stoneblade
TES = BUWR Stoneblade
High Tide = Mono-U Stoneblade

[majikal]

Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade".
That is not how you spell "Boner Soup".

[GoblinSettler]

Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade".

That is not how you spell "Boner Soup".

It's an anagram.

[atropos]

Chose "Canadian Threshold" for patriotic reasons and because Cappy is a cool guy.

Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade". Handy reference guide:
UW Stoneblade = UW Stoneblade
Deadguy Ale = BW Stoneblade
Maverick = GW Stoneblade
Team America = BUG Stoneblade
TES = BUWR Stoneblade
High Tide = Mono-U Stoneblade

Well the Mr. Smartypants, I guess we'll just have to call Burn Mono-R Stoneblade then. Somebody call SCG stat!

[Einherjer]

As 3/4 of the members who participated in this poll voted for Canadian Threshold maybe it's time to re-name the thread.
And I have to agree on the guys saying that there is literally no differnece between new and old Thresh besides the new cards. I havn't seen anyone running Snapcasters for the last month... And even Stifle isnt cutted entirely..


Greetings

[Taurelin]

NQG/r

(NQG = Not Quite Gro)

This name is even older than Canadian, and it still describes what the deck actually does. All of the 3 creatures (Mongoose, Delver, Tarmogoyf) become bigger as the game moves on, so it still seems adequate.

[jjjoness']

NQG/r

(NQG = Not Quite Gro)

This name is even older than Canadian, and it still describes what the deck actually does. All of the 3 creatures (Mongoose, Delver, Tarmogoyf) become bigger as the game moves on, so it still seems adequate.

Good ol' times. Maybe we should start running Werebear again :D

[Julian23]

Purchase ALL the Quirion Dryads. In Foil!

[Wereodile]

Purchase ALL the Quirion Dryads. In Foil!

*logs onto Starcitygames.com*

[Awaclus]

Is "Tempo Thresh" not being used anymore? That's what I've been calling it. I wouldn't have anything against having the colors and "Tempo" as the name if the ordering and capitalization of the letters would make sense, but you just can't start the name with an R when there's around six red cards and 25 blue cards in the deck.

[DragoFireheart]

Has anyone called it Canadian Tempo? That sounds ways cooler than the other two choices.

[dahcmai]

It always makes me laugh when I think of all the decks that changed names over the years because some new card got printed making something else in an older deck obsolete.

It never ends.

Don't forget even "Not Quite Gro" was Gro a Tog, Gro a Dryad and just plain old Gro too. If you want to get really technical it started as an Enchantress deck, no joke.

Of course Stoneblade started off as Caw Blade ported from standard. Too bad the Hawks didn't make it. The caw made me laugh.

Even Storm decks owe their heritage to Draw 7.

At least Doomsday can claim it's originality still.

[damionblackgear]

As long as we're on this, can we rename Nic Fit to Rock and select a new name for the current Rock thread as it's closer to a junk build than anything?

[yutang]

We should definitely respect the history of a deck and how its strategy and philosophy develops. Canadian Threshold

[boneclub24]

We should definitely respect the history of a deck and how its strategy and philosophy develops. Canadian Threshold

Plus we need a deck to rival Team America and Mexican Stoneblade

[Einherjer]

I think this thread can be closed now as the thread we were talking about has been renamed :)

Greetings

[(nameless one)]

Plus we need a deck to rival Team America and Mexican Stoneblade

What's up with nations and deck nomenclature? I mean we also have Dutch Staxx, Spanish Inquisition, DeutschMUD. Though I find it cool and interesting.

[Julian23]

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

It's not about nationality but about comedy. Monty Python, that is.

[HokusSchmokus]

Seriously? DeutschMUD? I mean I can see the sense in that name with germans building the wirld's best tanks but still wtf DeutschMUD?

[joemauer]

Going with the country theme...
Dragon Stompy should be renamed to Dragon Djibouti.

How about Death and Taxes be renamed to Obamacare.

[(nameless one)]

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

It's not about nationality but about comedy. Monty Python, that is.

Yes, but historically there is a such thing as Spanish Inquisition.


Seriously? DeutschMUD? I mean I can see the sense in that name with germans building the wirld's best tanks but still wtf DeutschMUD?

It's apparently the Stompy, non-Forgemaster version of MUD which originated in Europe (where the ones that keep showing at SCG Opens are the Welder Versions)

[GGoober]

How about Death and Taxes be renamed to Obamacare.

LOLOL!

Made my day.

On a sidenote, we should rename Landstill to DoJTech11 since SCG discovered new tech unfound with playing Decree of Justice and Standstills as far back as 2011!

[Plm]

UR delver is also a crappy name, I mean by this standard I've been playing RUG goyf, GB goyf, UWG goyf...

The last time I scoured a SCG top 16, there was 3 bant stoneblade, I checked those and one was a geist maverick, one a aggro bant with stoneforge alongside force, brainstorm and all the usual suspect and the third one was a stone blade wich splashed green for hierarch and reliquary. I don't think they are the same deck but I must be snobish:confused:

I think we shouldn't let starcity butcherize the complex and fun naming convention of legacy. (I cried a little the day when the 'no goyf' thread became uw tempo).

And for the poll, isn't a rug the thing I wipe my shoes on ?

[JDK]

I'm Canadian and David Caplan (goobafish here on mtgsource) who was a pretty predominate player of the deck, slings cards here in my home town so I have to go to bat for Canadian Threshold.
Good to know he is a member here, I really liked his RDW build going into Worlds 2011



Someone argued in the RUG Tempo's thread that SCG refuses to label this deck as Canadian Threshold because they say on of their (SCG) guys invited this deck

You mean invented, right? :P

When we are at renaming Decks, Hive Mind should be called Pactman.

[keys]

Well, I'm going back to calling this archetype "Miracle Grow" after Avacyn Restored.

[Valarne]

There is, I believe, no such thing as Deutsch Stax - but there is something called Dutch Stax, which if I remember correctly was a mono-white version with 4 Moat, 4 Humility and 4 Elspeth as the innovative features differing it from random Stax.

[Dark Ritual]

There is, I believe, no such thing as Deutsch Stax - but there is something called Dutch Stax, which if I remember correctly was a mono-white version with 4 Moat, 4 Humility and 4 Elspeth as the innovative features differing it from random Stax.

That is correct, dutch stax is that deck that no one person can assemble sans a select few because who owns 4 moats? And doesn't that deck run tabernacle too? There's a reason it's called Dutch $tax.

Canadian threshold is what I voted on, I can't stand the saying rug when describing a legacy deck. And the decklist for canadian thresh has barely changed at all over the years, it just adapted to using delver as snapcaster is bad in a deck that operates on 2 or less mana very efficiently while snapcaster is a 3 mana or more card.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I can see arguments for either, but I confess I've just gotten into the habit of calling it RUG Tempo.

[oRen]

That is correct, dutch stax is that deck that no one person can assemble sans a select few because who owns 4 moats? And doesn't that deck run tabernacle too? There's a reason it's called Dutch $tax.
The reason is that the original list came from Skeggi and apart from that you do not really need Tabernacle because you can handle creatures pretty well anyways.

[I am the brainwasher]

I'll stick to (Canadian) Threshold.
Different thing:
Why even RUG? I remember a time where shards like Bant and Naya didn't even were born ideas and there were already color-shards with proper names.
Dega, Ana, Necra, Raka and most important CETA. What a huge disrespect for one of the best blocks ever.

[Gui]

RUG is a terrible name, to begin with. The deck was called UGr Threshold, and this was a great name, because it puts the most important color in front and upper case, and the splash color in lower case.
But since there's only "RUG" and "Canadian", I voted for Canadian

[GGoober]

UGr Tempo would be better name that RUG Tempo as pointed out by Gui. RUG sounds catchy but isn't technically correct, and for the SCG circuit that is trying to establish some form of standard, it would seem that they should try to make the deck/archetype classification more 'scientific'.

I do feel that Canandian Thresh and UGr Thresh UGb Thresh while being the classic great names should eventually be retired soon since the decks are losing their Threshold-sense of the deck. As long as they still run Mongoose, I'm fine with the old classic name :D But the SCG lists without Mongoose and playing with Snapcasters/Goyf/Lavamancers should be named UGr Tempo instead of RUG Tempo IMO, but whatever, it's a dirty RUG anyway.