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NesretepNoj
04-16-2012, 06:27 PM
This card has just been spoiled:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129994&stc=1&d=1334270803

On the basis of this card I propose a deck similar to Aeon Bridge (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?17610-Deck-Aeon-Bridge):

Aeon Path
3 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
3 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Mutavault
4 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
3 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
4 Worldly Tutor
2 Daze
4 Nest Invader
4 Show and Tell
4 Force of Will
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Descendants' Path

Is is just a rough draft, but it plays out in a similar way to Aeon Bridge (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?17610-Deck-Aeon-Bridge) except, that this isn't nearly as prone to creature removal and Wasteland.

A reasonably line of play could be something like this:
Turn 1: Play land and Ponder.
Turn 2: Play Mutavault, Lotus Petal and Descendants' Path.
Turn 3: During upkeep in response to Path-trigger: Worldly Tutor for Emrakul and tap Mutavault to activate it self. Resolve trigger and play Emrakul netting the time walk.

Notes
Nest Invader might be too cute, but it acts as an accelerator and puts two Eldrazi on the table.

Show and Tell is a backup plan and should be rather consistens counting the many cantrips and Worldly Tutor. Iona is against combo-decks and can be tutored for.

Brainstorm also acts a combo piece, as it is able to put a drawn monster back on top. Ponder can order the top cards in a similar way, should there reside a monster.

I've been gold fishing it a bit and it's actually rather consistent, but also somewhat slow. I don't think this has the brightest future, but considering the recent success of Sneak and Show, this might find it's place among the tier 2.5-decks.

Please share your thoughts.

TheG
04-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Good list, i'm testing too for a deck like this.

i would consider x2 of crop rotation over x1-2 Ponder/Preordain for istantspeed mutavault in play.

And+1 Daze over Nest Invader.

What u think about?

I always loved to play Oath in legacy :D

Kuma
04-16-2012, 07:24 PM
Deck needs some black for Lim-Dul's Vault and Thoughtseize/Duress.

Poron
04-16-2012, 07:35 PM
obviously play Shapeshiter/changelingers..

here all the list

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Achangeling+cmc%3C%3D3+t%3A%22creature%22&v=card&s=cname

Rock Lee
04-16-2012, 07:37 PM
Deck needs some black for Lim-Dul's Vault and Thoughtseize/Duress.

or just play Changeling beatdown with brainstorm Temporal Mastery and Emrakul.

Poron
04-16-2012, 08:01 PM
let's consider

Descendant Path
Sterling Grove / Enlightned Tutor
Crop Rotation
Wordly Tutor

this deck has so many tutors in just 2 colors it might even be viable O_o

as every combo deck it requires blue for brainstorm and counters

4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Fows
3 Spell Pierce
4 Wordly Tutor
3 Sterling Grove
4 Enlightned Tutor
4 Descendant Path
3 Crop Rotation
4 Mothdust Changeling
1 Emrakul

16 lands
4 Mutavault

Ppa0
04-16-2012, 08:54 PM
I was thinking about making a deck similar to that, however I was thinking maybe adding in Growth Spasm / Awakening Zone / Pattern of Rebirth and/or Natural Order. Gaea's Cradle might also be good depending on what variant you want to run. There is a Mono green ramp deck I have seen on youtube called G-Wish that can play Emrakul within few turns. So maybe taking his route + Worldly Tutor + Descendants' Path and make something beautiful happen.

NesretepNoj
04-17-2012, 08:59 AM
@TheG: Crop Rotation seems cool. I might test it.

@Kuma: I did consider LDV, but I don't know if it is worth stretching the mana base for. I don't know about discard either, as the deck want's to tap out every turn.

@Poron: I doubt Enlightened Tutor is the way to go. The combo is clunky as is. Needing white and putting your card on top seems bad. I prefer running Show and Tell and Path, and then cantrip in accordance with which of them you draw/find. I know SnT isn't very fancy, but going all in on the combo seems to be in the danger zone of cool things. Adding Show and Tell adds an additional angle of attack, which makes mulligan decisions harder for the opponent.

@Ppa0: I did consider Growth Spasm and Awakening Zone. I haven't tried them, but both seems too slow.

@All: Realized this deck auto-loses to Karakas. I don't know if that's just a risk one must accept. You could add a single Progenitus to combo with Mutavault and Path, but it seems too slow.

Kuma
04-18-2012, 11:24 AM
Discard >> Daze in decks like these. You need your cards to actually resolve and the best way to do that is to take the counterspells out of your opponent's hand.

Michael Keller
04-18-2012, 12:58 PM
If you're playing Changelings, you should really consider Didgeridoo.

Highly absurd, no less.

Rock Lee
04-18-2012, 05:11 PM
If you're playing Changelings, you should really consider Didgeridoo.

Highly absurd, no less.

Trinket Mage to get it. If you're running trinket mage might as well run top.

TheG
04-18-2012, 06:44 PM
@Kuma: Discard is the best option only ws control, that is always mana open to counter. beside this, going off without waiting 1 more turn to wait mana for discard in a cmc3card based deck it's important.

@all: i'm testing x1crop rotation and seems fine.
i preferred x3 Nest Invader over changeling for the token advantage = it's harder to kill 2 creatures then 1.

Vacrix
04-18-2012, 07:08 PM
I was also thinking Crop Rotation. It finds Mutavault, and it can find some stuff thats good in some matchups like Glacial Chasm against Aggro or Burn, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale against swarm decks, and Wastelands for Karakas bouncing your Emrakul. Also, Crop Rotation into Ancient Tomb can accelerate you into the turn 2/3 Emrakul. You'd only need to run a few copies, even as few as 1.


Otherwise, love the concept. Looks pretty dope having +4 SnT in green, though its questionable whether giving your opponent an extra turn to deal with your business spell is a good idea. I can see post-board Pithing Needle being pretty good for plenty of reasons.

TheG
04-18-2012, 08:23 PM
nice utity pack for crop rotation in this case i would use x2..but i wouldn't see the deck screwed with no-mana-lands as chasm or tabernacle.. despite it could be very useful (glacial) vs burn godfishing in 3turns (thx miracle)


- about the Show N Tell issue: discard might better then counters, but i was thinking... why not use Mossworth Bridge, like the original aeon bridge? yes isn't a no-brainer combo and it's difficult to setup like the descendant plan... but it CASTS emrakul and don't leave the op another turn to deal with emmy. moreover it can use the Dreadnought plan and stiffles to damage the op

fetterfool
05-06-2012, 08:15 PM
If you're playing Changelings, you should really consider Didgeridoo.

Highly absurd, no less.

LOL!!!!! awesome.

on a serious note, vial seems better as you would see which changeling you had...add counters accordingly...and save all your mana (didgeridoo would fire at earliest with wordly tutor turn 3 if you are playing ancient tomb and have nuts draw.....turn one didgeridoo LOL. turn 2 descendants' path. turn 3 respond to trigger by activating didgeridoo LOL and playing worldy tutor.)

by playing vial you can go: turn one vial. turn two ancient tomb descendants' path. turn 3 (miss your land drop, no problem!!) respond to trigger with wordly tutor and vial in changeling.

those are just corner cases for nut draws. but very relevant since we are talking about one combo deck. the only immediate difference i see is you can miss your land drop turn 3... that aside just having the 3 mana available on your buisiness turn seems pretty sweet, since you probably don't want to chuck your changeling onto the table until you are responding to descendants' path trigger. whether that mana be used for paying for daze that targets worldly tutor...or for a Faith's Shield to protect your changeling...aether vial just seems strictly better than didgeridoo.

and there you have it, my arguement for why aether vial is better than......didgeridoo.

fetterfool
05-10-2012, 09:08 PM
So, not entirely sure if ANYONE is interested in trying to break this card in legacy.

Crop Rotation
Mutavault
Worldly Tutor
Enlightened Tutor
DESCENDANTS' PATH, and eldrazi spells seem sweet. Crop rotation for finding Mutavault or an important Wasteland for opposing Karakas, as stated above ^ seems great. Sylvan Library also seems great as a way to dig up the missing combo piece or set up your eldrazi on top.

The biggest problem for this deck, I think, is Qasali Pridemage. As he is way too mainstream and a green sun target. Also...games 2 and 3 against any deck with white in it, Disenchantbecomes public enemy number two.

The original list in this post suggests Sterling Grove which definietely seems good. Faith's Shield also seems good, as it protects Descendants' Path, it protects mutavault from swords to plowshares, and it protects non emrakul eldrazi from stp.

I have done absolutely no testing with this deck. Is anyone else remotely interested in descendants' path for legacy??