[GP] Atlanta (Legacy format)

[Koby]

Yaus! Another Grand Prix with our favorite format.

Who's going?

(just booked my flight)

[troopatroop]

I. am so. excited. I have relatives who live in atlanta. I could turn this into a visit + magic tournament.

A very very very rich aunt. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH YES!!!!

[Zakman86]

I'll be around playing Grinders on Friday; I'll be judging the rest of the weekend.

[Richard Cheese]

Don't know when the promo card changed, but now I pretty much have to go:
http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/events/promo/grandprix_2012_2.jpg
Terese is still doing some of the best artwork in the game.

[csy]

Im going and Im working on something PIMP for the tables.

[Koby]

Im going and Im working on something PIMP for the tables.

I've almost caught up to you in non-Maverick decks too. Hurry up and finish your Vintage deck too while you're at it, slacker.

[Zakman86]

Don't know when the promo card changed, but now I pretty much have to go:
http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/events/promo/grandprix_2012_2.jpg
Terese is still doing some of the best artwork in the game.

Atlanta will be the first time that the Lotus Cobras are given out.

[Fade]

I'm making plans to go. Indy was my first GP ever and it was a blast. Atlanta should be the same!

[csy]

I've almost caught up to you in non-Maverick decks too. Hurry up and finish your Vintage deck too while you're at it, slacker.

I have a ancestral, time walk, sapphire, and jet in the works. Don't worry I'm working on it.

I'm thinking I'm gonna have to wear a very deep sleeved tank all gp so people can see my emrakul side tattoo.

[csy]

.. Double

[bfeingersh]

Planning to make it down there somehow!

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Won't be at this one. Too expensive for my wallet.

[thefringthing]

Obviously Wizards schedules GP Atlanta in the summer and GP Toronto in the winter.

Almost certainly not going to make it all the way down from Ontario for this one; flight is way too expensive.

That Cobra sure is sweet.

[Mark Sun]

Will be there. Planning on flying down, which will be the first time I do so for an MTG event, so not sure how I feel about that. Should be a good time.

[RKPW]

Won't be at this one. Too expensive for my wallet.

aww, sad panda! I was hoping to see you there buddy!

I'm currently planning on it, but may not go. Going to SCG Indy and Denver for sure though.

[Richard Cheese]

Bumping this because it's time for us bad players to start figuring out where to get toasted after scrubbing out.

Beer and Coffee (http://www.imbibemagazine.com/best-beer-and-coffee-in-atlanta)

Anyone from the area want to chime in?

[nedleeds]

I live here and I live about 2 miles from the site. I'm going to play but stop playing after 5 rounds to play side events.

It would be boss if people brought their vintage decks to do battle.

As for the area, the downtown area in late June will essentially be a 102 degree hell hole swarming with borderline criminal homeless people. To go anywhere and enjoy yourself you will have to venture a bit outside of the hotel area.

Near Centennial Park there's Sidebar. It's not the greatest, but it's really close and isn't something fucking awful like Hooters.

http://www.sidebaratlanta.com/

A quick cab ride away is the west side with a fuck ton of good eating and a couple of bars in one walkable area ... choices ordered by your budget

$ - http://www.yelp.com/biz/osteria-del-figo-atlanta

Good pasta, cheap, beer, cute staff

$ - http://www.yelp.com/biz/taqueria-del-sol-atlanta

Taco nazis but they are good, cheap and have booze, lots of tail here for pre-club boozing

$ - http://www.yeahburger.com/

Manned by hipster douches but don't let that dissuade you from the tasty burgers

$$ - http://www.jctkitchen.com/

Actual southern food. Fried chicken. Mashed things. etc. Also has a bar upstairs.

Booze - http://ormsbysatlanta.com/

The bar there, has all kinds of pub games (darts, etc.)

You could also head north of the site and hit Midtown if you like steam filled clubs and pulsating euro trash music.

Though there are a couple of bastions of sanity in Midtown

Steamhouse Lounge seafood cheap booze skanky waitstaff
RiRa Fake Irish Bar thing

Or

You

Could

Just

Go

To

The Pink Pony.

[Koby]

It would be boss if people brought their vintage decks to do battle.


Didn't stop me from bringing Vintage to Indianapolis, won't stop me from bringing it to Atlanta. Consider it done.

[jjflipped]

@Koby, nedleeds: Ill have something built for vintage with me.

@Zak: Excited to finally meet ya!

Likely just belching people out in the main event.

[leegoo]

I'll be there rocking out some LLDD

[aahz]

Didn't stop me from bringing Vintage to Indianapolis, won't stop me from bringing it to Atlanta. Consider it done.
But you didn't bring it up for SGC Sac.:frown:

Hopefully there will be a next time, even though I can't really travel for tournaments.

[Koby]

But you didn't bring it up for SGC Sac.:frown:

Hopefully there will be a next time, even though I can't really travel for tournaments.

Aye, that trip was a pure whim. Didn't expect anyone to even play Magic from Sac-town, and the last vestige of Vintage from the Bay area died when CFB went pro.

[nedleeds]

OK, I'll likely get bored of Legacy after round 5 of the Grisel-RUG Prix. Then it's fuckin' on like donkey kong with the broken shitz playing for boxes of shit I don't want.

[aahz]

Aye, that trip was a pure whim. Didn't expect anyone to even play Magic from Sac-town, and the last vestige of Vintage from the Bay area died when CFB went pro.
No worries. There wouldn't have really been any time to play. You top 8'd, I couldn't make it out to BC's the night before, and I played Enchantress in the event (so I didn't actually have any time between rounds).

Hopefully reports of the death of Bay Area Vintage will turn out to be greatly exaggerated (or at least it will return in zombie form for some good old fashioned brain eating). We (the grand "we", meaning people other than me) are working on it.

Have fun at the GP everyone!

[Chikenbok]

OK, I'll likely get bored of Legacy after round 5 of the Grisel-RUG Prix. Then it's fuckin' on like donkey kong with the broken shitz playing for boxes of shit I don't want.

Word. To. All. Of. That.

[Mark Sun]

OK, I'll likely get bored of Legacy after round 5 of the Grisel-RUG Prix. Then it's fuckin' on like donkey kong with the broken shitz playing for boxes of shit I don't want.

LOL, I do have a feeling it'll be Grisel-RUG Prix. Unless we figure out a deck that can beat both, right?

Regardless of how I do, I have good news. I have the following Monday and Tuesday (and technically Wednesday for July 4th) off. So even if I scrub out, which there is a high chance of, Saturday/Sunday night can still be wonderful.

[Richard Cheese]

Also to the locals, despite being otherwise fairly shitty, Indianapolis had an absolutely bonkers plate of chicken and waffles. As a southerner by birth, I know in my heart that Atlanta can do better. I'm open to suggestions, as well as hungover companions Sunday morning.

#daytwoisforlosers

[sdematt]

I'm pissed I can't make it down. Freakin' midterms.

-Matt

[Basaka]

I'm pissed I can't make it down. Freakin' midterms.

-Matt

I know that feel. The first GP in our country since 2007 and it's squarely in the middle of exams.

:(

[csy]

if its GPgrisselShow then no ones playing magic right. It wasn't GPrug'dapolis was it? I played against a different deck for 9 rounds at a 19XX person GP, and RUG and Maverick were 'THE DECKS'.


bring vintage, get side events going. Ill be live streaming from my iPhone/iPad/goPro hotspot the whole time Im there representing west coast legacy.

[Final Ritual]

Is everyone going to supergames or the event site to grind on Friday? I know a group of us are headed out to the pink pony to get hammered Friday night.

[Richard Cheese]

Is everyone going to supergames or the event site to grind on Friday? I know a group of us are headed out to the pink pony to get hammered Friday night.

Why would you go to a strip club to get hammered? That's like going to college because you need a place to stay.

[TheShaun]

Holy crap this is sooner than I thought... Thought it was late August for some reason. I'd love to make this but I don't see any way I'd find the time.

[Esper3k]

Why would you go to a strip club to get hammered? That's like going to college because you need a place to stay.

Presumably it's for the extracurricular activities?

[Richard Cheese]

So I came across this handy guide to Atlanta from someone going by "Killer Mike":

"Hardcore G shit, homie, I don't play around
Ain't shit sweet bout the peach -- this Atlanta, clown
Home of the dealers and the strippers and the clubs, though
Catch you coming out that Magic City with a snub, ho
Lurking in the club on tourist motherfuckers
Welcome to Atlanta -- up your jewelry, motherfucker!
These monkey ni**as looking for some Luda and Jermaine
And all a ni**a found was a Ruger and some pain
Pow, motherfucker, pow! Come up off the chain
Pow, motherfucker, pow! One off in the brain
We some money-hungry wolves, and we down to eat the rich
Your bodyguard ain't shit, we strip him like a stripper bitch
These real-ass killers move in silence with violence
The minute it set off, we the motherfucking wildest
How you from Atlanta that they never speak upon
Where everybody got a sack of dope and a gun"

So bring guns and jewlery, don't look for Ludacris or go to Magic City, and there's plenty of dope available. Good to know!

[nedleeds]

So I came across this handy guide to Atlanta from someone going by "Killer Mike":

"Hardcore G shit, homie, I don't play around
Ain't shit sweet bout the peach -- this Atlanta, clown
Home of the dealers and the strippers and the clubs, though
Catch you coming out that Magic City with a snub, ho
Lurking in the club on tourist motherfuckers
Welcome to Atlanta -- up your jewelry, motherfucker!
These monkey ni**as looking for some Luda and Jermaine
And all a ni**a found was a Ruger and some pain
Pow, motherfucker, pow! Come up off the chain
Pow, motherfucker, pow! One off in the brain
We some money-hungry wolves, and we down to eat the rich
Your bodyguard ain't shit, we strip him like a stripper bitch
These real-ass killers move in silence with violence
The minute it set off, we the motherfucking wildest
How you from Atlanta that they never speak upon
Where everybody got a sack of dope and a gun"

So bring guns and jewlery, don't look for Ludacris or go to Magic City, and there's plenty of dope available. Good to know!

Tough. But also fair.

[csy]

I was planning on going to magic city.....

[coraz86]

Good to know that when I go 3-3-drop I'll have something to do.

[Michael Keller]

For what it's worth and for those who care, I will officially be attending this and it will be (ironically) my first GP - ever.

Can't wait!

[nedleeds]

Well looks like the Legacy event is going to be a sea of U/R/x homogeneity. I'm bringing W/b Jedi Ale and even if I'm 5-0 I'm taking my shiny cobra and dropping to play Vintage, hopefully we'll have enough to get win a box of crap's going.

[Esper3k]

I just saw Land Tax will now be legal for GP Atlanta - WoTC updated the unbanning to take effect on 06/29.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/06202012a

[nedleeds]

I thought it was legal for this Wednesday's legacy at Supergames. I had to last second substitute:

1 x T-Chinese Eternal Dragon
3 x Korean Mind Stone

Actually Mind Stone was sweet. I was miracling in response to fetches without having to pop my top.

[Michael Keller]

Stoked.

[joemauer]

Does anyone know if there are trials for free byes this Friday in Atlanta?

[Norm]

Does anyone know if there are trials for free byes this Friday in Atlanta?

Yes, there are. I believe they're being held for all formats.

[CorpT]

Does anyone know if there are trials for free byes this Friday in Atlanta?

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/events.aspx?x=mtg/event/grandprix/atlanta12
http://www.phoenixgamesinc.com/calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2012/06/29/1317/-/mtg-grand-prix-atlanta-2012

[Esper3k]

C'mon guys, someone steal the Extended last chance qualifier!

[whienot]

So, Atlanta's first 100+ degree weekend of 2012 happens to coincide with GP ATL. Welcome to the dirty south, stinky magic players.

[Koby]

#cleanupmtg will be in full enforcement.

Gamer funk will not be tolerated. You will be Axed.

[nedleeds]

It's going to be hotter than a witches tit. I forsee boozing at the tiki bar in the Hilton. Are we going to get 8 for vintages on Friday? I'll be packing.

[Tacosnape]

If any of you sourcers wanna kick it w/ the Birmingham crew, we're gonna be there. I got roped into driving our GPT winner down there so he can troll the entire tournament effortlessly, so while I don't intend to play, I do intend to drink, party, raid the pool, and play the shit out of some commander games.

[Aggro_zombies]

#cleanupmtg will be in full enforcement.

Gamer funk will not be tolerated. You will be Axed.
I would rather smell unwashed gamers than Axe, and the two of those together, permeating the same hall...just imagining it made me gag a little.

[Richard Cheese]

I'll be sure to bring my speedo and mesh tanktop for the event. Would a white linen suit make me stand out at Atlanta's finer drinking establishments, or is that pretty much de rigueur down there?

[socialite]

I'll pay 5$ via PayPal for anyone who has an excellent photo op with Richard Cheese aka my favorite Sourceanite.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Koby, bring me back a dead hooker.

[csy]

the westcoast degeneracy crew will have extra deodorant, breath mints, and t shirts (Generic XXXXXL white) for all the mouth breathing crack cheese covered filth.

#cleanupmtg


seriously though, how hard is it to take a shower? is it really that much work? we all get that you, mr putrefaction scented sugar woofer, would rather swing into a (cheap crap food stand) for an (insanely unhealthy breakfast combo). But please, please, shower.

[Bryant Cook]

Won't be at this one. Too expensive for my wallet.

Same.

[Aggro_zombies]

Same.
There needs to be a Legacy GP in San Diego or L.A. or something. I'd show up to that for the side events. But this one is way too far away from me.

[csy]

director of OP said on twitter, which blew my mind, that places like los angeles already have large events. So putting these events where they dont happen a lot helps everyone get to enjoy the experience. SOOOOO retarded.

[joemauer]

Anybody from the New Orleans area going?
Would like to carpool if possible.

[Koby]

director of OP said on twitter, which blew my mind, that places like los angeles already have large events. So putting these events where they dont happen a lot helps everyone get to enjoy the experience. SOOOOO retarded.

Using this mentality, we should expect to see great events such as:

Grand Prix: Wyoming (the whole state)
Grand Prix: El Paso, TX
Grand Prix: Sahara (with promo Deserts)
.
.

What kind of mental retardation does it take to not realize: "hmmm there's people who play Magic here. More people = more profit!"

[Richard Cheese]

I'll pay 5$ via PayPal for anyone who has an excellent photo op with Richard Cheese aka my favorite Sourceanite.

*blush*

What they should really focus on is holding events in places that are easy to get to (major airport), not prohibitively expensive to stay, and have a variety of things to do outside the event. I think a lot of people (like myself), don't go into these things expecting to to win, we just go to have a good time. I have nothing against Atlanta, but holding an event there in July just seems fucking bone-headed. Give me Vancouver in July and NOLA in August.

[sdematt]

It was awful GP Vancouver was the week before Atlanta, otherwise I'd invite you all to come and do excellent shenanigans. Perhaps next time, considering we got almost 1,000 people at a Canadian GP.

http://www.vancouverconventioncentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/18.jpg

http://www.vancouverconventioncentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/10.jpg

Like I'm sorry, we really do win.

To all the Sourcers, good luck in Atlanta. I know it's hot, so please wear deodorant. Please.

-Matt

[Richard Cheese]

Here's a quick list of some *potentially* good food/drink. Hate to post it so late but shit's real crazy these days. Note that almost all these have something to do with good cocktails. That's just how I roll.

Holeman & Finch (2277 Peachtree Road NE # B Atlanta, GA 30309) - Apparently this place makes serious cocktails, has a great beer list (although most looks to be in bottles), and makes exactly 24 burgers every night that go on sale at 10pm. They also have a full menu that includes charcuterie and a crispy pig ear. If you're looking for me Saturday night, this certainly wouldn't be a bad place to start. About 4 miles north of the site.

JCT Kitchen and Bar (1198 Howell Mill Road #18 Atlanta, GA 30318) - Good looking menu/beer/cocktail list. ~3miles

Miller Union (Miller Union, 999 Brady Avenue Northwest, Atlanta, GA 30318) - Nice looking menu, local, seasonal, simple, etc.. Huge wine list. Pricey. ~2.5miles

The Sound Table (483 Edgewood Avenue 30312, Atlanta, GA) - Looks super modern, possibly pretty twatty, but pretty close. Also, might be a dance club... ~1.5miles

Ormsby's (1170 Howell Mill Road, Atlanta, GA 30318) - Good menu and all kinds of fun stuff like bocce and shuffleboard, but apparently has a reputation for being crowded and having shitty service. Also put "menu's" on their web site. ~3miles

The Porter Beer Bar (1156 Euclid Ave, Atlanta, GA) - 30+ taps, decent-looking food. ~2.5miles

Young Augustine's (327 Memorial Drive Southeast, Atlanta, GA 30312) - Also 30+ taps, good food. Major points off for having a Facebook page instead of a real web site. Some points reinstated for only being 1.5 miles away and having good reviews.

Still looking for good chicken and waffles. Gladys Knight's has so-so reviews. Help me out brothers!

[Rood]

Won't be at this one. Too expensive for my wallet.

Same.
^

[nedleeds]

It's 9:30 am here and it's 90 degrees.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/758/Rape-Ewok-PREPARE-YOUR-ANUS.jpg

[I am the brainwasher]

Literally. Swamp-ass is a serious problem, as far as what I've seen on GP's so far.

[rxavage]

Gold Bond should help, and if you opt for the medicated variety it tingles nicely.

[nedleeds]

Literally. Swamp-ass is a serious problem, as far as what I've seen on GP's so far.

Those basement Hyatt bathrooms are going to be looking *rough* ...

[Que]

Good Luck at the GP to everyone in this thread thats going. :D

Take it home westcoast!!

[I am the brainwasher]

Can someone light me up and tell me when the coverage (after the first 3 rounds, I guess?) start in the timezone CMT+1 Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern... ? I'd apprecieate that.

[cdr]

Can someone light me up and tell me when the coverage (after the first 3 rounds, I guess?) start in the timezone CMT+1 Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern... ? I'd apprecieate that.

You should be 6 hours off of Atlanta time, so about 7:30PM/19:30 your time? Assuming they start r3 like usual, r4 add an hour.

You can follow @magicprotour (https://twitter.com/magicprotour) for coverage updates, @mtgthesource (https://twitter.com/mtgthesource) might retweet the video start announcement.

[I am the brainwasher]

Thank you!
GL to all Sourcers and have an awesome trip<<.

Edit:
Has anyone else noticed that Nicol Bolas derp face at TWITCH TV?

[jjflipped]

Gonna jump on plane in a couple hours. I'm bringing my legacy deck, Zur EDH, and the beebles mat. See ya all there!

[Final Ritual]

About to head out in a few hours. Any dinner plans for Sourcers?

[sdematt]

Tonight I'm saluting all the Sourcers going with a fine bottle of Scotch, but unfortunately in the comfort of my own home.

Best of luck to any and all Sourcers. If one of us doesn't top 8, some puppies will die.

-Matt

[Michael Keller]

And, yet again, the Navy invokes obligations that have superseded my prearranged plans to attend this event less than twenty-four hours before leaving.

Two more months. Thank God. Go Sourcers!

[Chikenbok]

Good luck, stay clean, stay safe, don't smell.

Sadly, a friends wedding got in the way of heading down there, but the temperature makes me... well... not too upset.

Get drunk and kick ass sourcers.

[Einherjer]

Is there a non-stop video-coverage of this event like it used to be at SCG-Opens or the GP Amsterdam?

Thanks!

Greetings

[264505]

Is there a non-stop video-coverage of this event like it used to be at SCG-Opens or the GP Amsterdam?

Thanks!

Greetings

Looks like its going to be broadcast here: http://ggslive.com/

[Esper3k]

Good luck guys - represent!

Crush the pros and hear the lamentations of their women!

[cdr]

905 players according to tweets. Kinda disappointing.

[socialite]

905 players according to tweets. Kinda disappointing.

HOTLANTA seriously, shitty city - shitty turnout.

[DrHealex]

And, yet again, the Navy invokes obligations that have superseded my prearranged plans to attend this event less than twenty-four hours before leaving.

Two more months. Thank God. Go Sourcers!

Don't worry. I am sure we can find another excuse for you in order to continue the running gag :-P

[dsck]

Whur is ze coveRAGE?!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Events.aspx

http://ggslive.com/


I quess they start showing from round 3-4 onwards?

EDIT: Oh the event just started, I cant figure out american timezones.

[menace13]

Daniel Signorini Placed in the Grinders with his deck and 4 Temporal Mastery.

WHER'S Steven Meneennenenndian!?!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpatl12/welcome#0

[Chikenbok]

According to the incoming posts from the twitterverse - top players are all running reanimator variants with MD Karakas, Cliques, Etc.

[Deviruchi]

Wow. Daniel Signorini strikes back! I love all his BUG brews, and now he uses Portent to setup Mastery even more :)

[socialite]

Wow. Daniel Signorini strikes back! I love all his BUG brews, and now he uses Portent to setup Mastery even more :)

Got a word for that, JANK.

[menace13]

Got a word for that, JANK.
Most likely, But Dan is a smart player(person in general) so pretty sure it isn't optimal, but he's good and it's his deck.

[xfxf]

Literally. Swamp-ass is a serious problem, as far as what I've seen on GP's so far.

I've been battling with myself not to post this for two days but I can't help it any longer.

Guys, there's this incredible invention in Turkey and this is used in ALL the toilets there. I can't believe how the western civilization is unaware of this life saving incredible and simple tool and continues to wipe their asses with ONLY paper to the point of peeling off your anus just to be clean. Here you go guys, enlightenment :wink::

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSriJRXfh-t2JdefX06HSd5k7-_r3e0WmRnpDj4GXwSOMrqZbzlxw

[Teknique]

I've been battling with myself not to post this for two days but I can't help it any longer.

Guys, there's this incredible invention in Turkey and this is used in ALL the toilets there. I can't believe how the western civilization is unaware of this life saving incredible and simple tool and continues to wipe their asses with ONLY paper to the point of peeling off your anus just to be clean. Here you go guys, enlightenment :wink::

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSriJRXfh-t2JdefX06HSd5k7-_r3e0WmRnpDj4GXwSOMrqZbzlxw
You're forgetting that this is America. We can't have nice things like that. Someone would try to drink from it and then sue the facility for infinite dollars (and win) when they got Hepatitis and E. coli.

Because fuck us.

[(nameless one)]

LOL gotta love America.

Change of topic.... How fitting would it be if a Canadian Thresh wins GP: ATL on Canada Day (though I hope a non-blue deck wins this one)

[menace13]

(though I hope a non-blue deck wins this one)
Seriously?

[GnuHouse]

LOL gotta love America.

Change of topic.... How fitting would it be if a Canadian Thresh wins GP: ATL on Canada Day (though I hope a non-blue deck wins this one)

Well, it would have to win and then apologize for it like any good Canadian would :)

BTW, is there a list of Sourcer (usernames and or real names) who are at the GP so we can cheer them on?

[I am the brainwasher]

a non-blue deck wins this one

Piloted by Notgon Tuhapp from Absurdistan... .

[I am the brainwasher]

Coverage just started. Threshold Mirror feat. Pikula

[socialite]

Coverage just started. Threshold Mirror feat. Pikula

Zzz.

Sweet camera work.

[Chikenbok]

This coverage is almost as good as this years BOM...

[I am the brainwasher]

*badum pshhh*

:mad: I was rather excited for this one. Meh.


EDIT: JUST LOWER THE QUALITY (240p's or some)

[jrw1985]

GGSLive stream is not flowin' too hot today. Unfortunate.

[Pippin]

Round 4 - Ali Aintrazi vs Owen Turtenwald, perfect example why hate ala Gilded Drake/Humility/etc doesn't really work against resolved Griselbrand.

[trivial_matters]

Round 4 - Ali Aintrazi vs Owen Turtenwald, perfect example why hate ala Gilded Drake/Humility/etc doesn't really work against resolved Griselbrand.

Why didn't Ali make Owen discard Entomb with Thoughtseize in game 2? Did I miss something? Betting on the Drake to get there was doomed to fail.

[I am the brainwasher]

Round 4 - Ali Aintrazi vs Owen Turtenwald, perfect example why hate ala Gilded Drake/Humility/etc doesn't really work against resolved Griselbrand.

Don't let Philipp802 hear that:wink:

[dsck]

Uhm, people can actually see the stream? I have tried over an hour and it doesnt work - no matter what video quality you set.

[Humphrey]

You dont miss anything. Instead of featuring another match, after the quick loss of Esper vs Reanimator they continue to craptalk endlessly.

Most boring stream ever.

[rxavage]

Odd thing, the video works in fullscreen but that twitch tv black screen still takes up the top left 1/4.




And I refreshed the page to see if I could get rid of the blacked out part and now I have nothing.

[cdr]

If you get a black screen when the player loads, wait ~5 minutes - sometimes it's just really slow to start.

If you get a picture of Nicol Bolas, reload the page.

You can change the stream quality with the "Live" button at the bottom if it's choppy. Sometimes it takes awhile for the different streams to become available before you can change.

http://www.twitch.tv/magicprotour

[Einherjer]

Don't let Philipp802 hear that:wink:

First of all his Discard was aimed in a wrong way. Secondly.. I was more of advocating this stuff to be good vs Griselbrand. Didn't say it's a good idea to CAST it once the Demon resolved - you're not getting much through this demon.

Greetings

[Atog]

.

[CorpT]

How are the people in chat that bad at magic?

[Tao]

How are the people in chat that bad at magic?

Never read Video chat, Youtube comments or the mtgsalvation forum. Even mtgsthesource is a haven of sanity in comparison.

[dsck]

How are the people in chat that bad at magic?

Its like they dont watch the same match, they are so clueless whats going on.

[I am the brainwasher]

If you get a black screen when the player loads, wait ~5 minutes - sometimes it's just really slow to start.
If you get a picture of Nicol Bolas, reload the page.

Does anyone else see the problem here?
1: Watching 2 minutes
2: Bolas wrecks the party
3: Reload, wait 5 minutes

4: go back to point 1

:mad:

Might someone tell me how the crap I can avoid Nicol Bolas invading the upper left quarter of the live coverage? Christ, he's really the badest MOFO in that Multiverse... .

[(nameless one)]

Has anyone seen Creepy Uncle (Land Tax) since the coverage started?

[Rune]

Does anyone else see the problem here?
1: Watching 2 minutes
2: Bolas wrecks the party
3: Reload, wait 5 minutes

4: go back to point 1

:mad:

Might someone tell me how the crap I can avoid Nicol Bolas invading the upper left quarter of the live coverage? Christ, he's really the badest MOFO in that Multiverse... .

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[I am the brainwasher]

Has anyone seen Creepy Uncle (Land Tax) since the coverage started?

No, and you won't either. It is round 5 and everyone who was crazy/lucky enough to give it a spin is already sorted out, I guess.

[Gheizen64]

Man i hate seeing BS in response to discard... What is black playing btw? Badlands and Undiscovered Paradise?

[Humphrey]

Zombies

[Gheizen64]

Wow. Goblin bombardment, blood artist, carrion feeder, undiscovered paradise? It's like a deck straight out from 2000.

[Machahiko]

You can do it zombies!

[phonics]

No, and you won't either. It is round 5 and everyone who was crazy/lucky enough to give it a spin is already sorted out, I guess.

I think they said that Ried Duke is playing a land tax miracle deck, dont know if he is doing well though.

[I am the brainwasher]

I think they said that Ried Duke is playing a land tax miracle deck, dont know if he is doing well though.

Well, that might be, but as you can see in the coverage from the mothership, his brother lost to Sam Black, IMO mostly because of the donothingness of Land Tax. Sorry, but outside of Reid Duke beeing an awesome player, the card ain't worth shit and serves you no good in this format.

[dontbiteitholmes]

So apparently one of the Hatfield's is tearing it up with a BUG Delver list with Temporal Mastery.

[cdr]

So apparently one of the Hatfield's is tearing it up with a BUG Delver list with Temporal Mastery.

Jessie was the R9 written feature match.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the VA crew were running similar lists; it's liable to be similar to the one Dan Signorini won a grinder with.

[Deviruchi]

2 players with Land Tax in day2. 1 of them is Ian Duke who went 5-2 (2 byes), he lost to ZOMBIES and something else.

Belcher 8-1 ;D

[I am the brainwasher]

Does anyone know which Sourcers made day 2 (and what decks they play)?

PS: Portent + Miracle? Got to love that.

[Koby]

Bah... Was 6-0-1 after round seven, then lost four straight games to incredibly bad draws. Like flooding with 18 lands in the deck (6 in play two more in hand when i died to Stoneblade).

I got turn 2 Griselbranded even though i countered the EOT Entomb. *sigh*

62nd place at the start of Round 9 and dropped to 134th after thr loss. Sad face.

[I am the brainwasher]

What did I had to witness there? Brad Nelson loosing 2:0 against Belcher?

[Julian23]

From what I've heared he didn't know how to beat Belcher as in countering their 2nd mana spell and kept a hand without Force on the draw. Brad "I break Standstill with mainphase Brainstorm" Nelson.

[jrw1985]

Have I seen a single match that didn't feature RUG Delver or Reanimator?

[socialite]

Have I seen a single match that didn't feature RUG Delver or Reanimator?

Sweet format.

[JamieW89]

Have I seen a single match that didn't feature RUG Delver or Reanimator?

We're currently watching Maverick vs Elves and the only 10-0 player is also on Maverick. But there is definately a lot of Jizzlebanned and RUG around.

[atv]

Rich Hagon is a good guy, but he's a horrible interviewer. He does 99% of the talking.

[I am the brainwasher]

Rich Hagon is a good guy, but he's a horrible interviewer. He does 99% of the talking.

...and says Soccer. *shudder*

[cdr]

Yeah, Hagon is terrible at interviews. Sheldon should've given Hagon the boot and done the interview.

[atv]

...and says Soccer. *shudder*

An Englishman calling football soccer? I'm happy I missed that.

[socialite]

An Englishman calling football soccer? I'm happy I missed that.

Almost as bad as Germany losing to Italy.

[Tao]

Ochoa played really good there. Too bad he got unlucky.

[Sigar]

How did he play well?

[Tao]

makign all choices right, also baiting opponent into thoughtseizing him when he only had lands by not playing a land

[Sigar]

He just FOWed a Carrion Feeder for no reason at all..

[Teknique]

He just FOWed a Carrion Feeder for no reason at all..

Uh? Carrion Feeder's arguably the best card in that deck, it gets huge, very quickly.

[Tao]

griselbrand to the face....


poor Ocho

[dontbiteitholmes]

He just FOWed a Carrion Feeder for no reason at all..
There was also a Gravecrawler in the yard. He probably bought himself 2-3 turns on that.

[JDK]

Belcher 12-1, what is this? :D

[socialite]

Belcher 12-1, what is this? :D

Meta Gamed.

[Julian23]

1 (or even 2?) Belcher lists were pretty close to Top8'ing in Amsterdam as well. Not that surprising. Even less surprising when "even" pros like Brad Nelson missplay against it.

[dsck]

Not boarding out FOWs against zoo?

[socialite]

Not boarding out FOWs against zoo?

Guess it didn't matter.

[trivial_matters]

Not boarding out FOWs against zoo?

Somebody playing Zoo make day 2? :eek:

[264505]

Not boarding out FOWs against zoo?

It pulled some serious weight. Getting the Batterskull down turn 3 makes it nearly impossible for zoo to race.

[cdr]

Somebody playing Zoo make day 2? :eek:

Mary Jacobson plays zoo in every format, and at minimum day 2s pretty much every time.

[JDK]

Mary Jacobson plays zoo in every format, and at minimum day 2s pretty much every time.

Because she talks her opponents to death...

[cdr]

Because she talks her opponents to death...

Yeah, I can see how a lot of Magic players would have trouble with women talking to them.

[HokusSchmokus]

cdr wins, sorry.

[Amon Amarth]

Yeah, I can see how a lot of Magic players would have trouble with women talking to them.

LOOOOOL

Anyways, checking the Day 2 metagame breakdown, it looks like there are far fewer Griselbrand decks than I would have thought. Most of those decks are Reanimator and a few Sneak and Show. Using my incredible prediction powers, Elves significantly outperformed most estimates. Interesting.

[jam3sbob]

Go Sam Black!

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

So far in the top eight we have:

-Belcher
-Goblins
-Maverick
-RUG Delver

Sam Black with his Zombie deck is most likely in.

[atv]

Yeah, I can see how a lot of Magic players would have trouble with women talking to them.

No kidding. Lots of misogynic crap talk on the chat whenever there's a female player playing on the stream, too.

[cdr]

According to the stream, Mad Zur lost his win-and-in :(

He can likely fight tiebreakers with the other 36 pointers for 8th, though.

Edit: Also, Sheldon is SO MUCH better at interviews than Hagon.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Quarterfinals
Charbelcher vs Esperblade
RUG Delver vs Goblins
Maverick vs UW Delverblade
Zombies vs ?

[Julian23]

Once the information is out, can someone please tell me when Top8 matches are about to start? I don't have enough bandwidth to watch the stream but I've got a friend ready, willing to do live text coverage for me.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Once the information is out, can someone please tell me when Top8 matches are about to start? I don't have enough bandwidth to watch the stream but I've got a friend ready, willing to do live text coverage for me.

top 8 is going to start in a couple minutes

[cdr]

Starting right now in fact, 4:40EDT.

[Barook]

And Black is out. What a shame.

But what I didn't get: Why did Black leave his mana open so often while he could have used it to pump his Carrion Feeder via Grave Crawler and later Lingering Souls? It's not like he had spells to cast or needed to leave mana open for Daze. And with a bigger Feeder, he would have been in a way better position.

[Taurelin]

You mean G2?

His opponent had Grafdigger's Cage online.

[dontbiteitholmes]

And Stark is out. What a shame.

But what I didn't get: Why did Stark leave his mana open so often while he could have used it to pump his Carrion Feeder via Grave Crawler and later Lingering Souls? It's not like he had spells to cast or needed to leave mana open for Daze. And with a bigger Feeder, he would have been in a way better position.

First off that was Sam Black, second there was a Grafdigger's Cage out.

[Barook]

Oh well, didn't catch that due to my low stream quality.

[rxavage]

Am I the only one that finds that Rosewater commercial/short ridiculous?

[atv]

Am I the only one that finds that Rosewater commercial/short ridiculous?

It was just a part of Nathan Holt's "Walking the Planes" episode. A good series as long as the viewer has a sense of humor.

[rxavage]

It was just a part of Nathan Holt's "Walking the Planes" episode. A good series as long as the viewer has a sense of humor.

Never seen it. Maybe I'll watch an episode.

[atv]

Never seen it. Maybe I'll watch an episode.

They're on YouTube, I think. Worth watching, imo.

[menace13]

I think this GP will help people think a bit differently in regards to tunning decks. And that no lists are set in stone.

Vapor Snags in Giest Delver, Thalia in Goblins, Karakas in Re-animator. Would love to see the top 64/32 lists. Oh and Ban Delver.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Oh well, didn't catch that due to my low stream quality.

Don't feel too bad they had a high level judge commentating the match. First he says "Why didn't he Spell Pierce that Blood Artist?" Then he was asking why dude didn't flashback Lingering Souls...

[atv]

I hope Majors wins, if only because I really dislike the lands in front playing style.

[Humphrey]

I hope Majors wins, if only because I really dislike the lands in front playing style.

thats how we learned it in the last millennium

[atv]

thats how we learned it in the last millenium

I played Magic in the 90's too, and I saw very little of it even back then.

[xfxf]

thats how we learned it in the last millennium

Howcome?

[caiomarcos]

thats how we learned it in the last millennium

True that.

I'm all for Gaudenis and lands in front.

[Julian23]

And Canadian takes down its first Legacy GP. Was about time, I guess.

Although Trash had already won GP Lille 2005 in the past. Anyone remember the times when people played 4 mana beaters like Fledgling Dragon or Mystic Enforcer? :eyebrow:

[Humphrey]

Howcome?

It was the table layout in the revised rule book

[(nameless one)]

A Canadian Thresh list wins it all! Happy Canada Day!

[HSCK]

Score one for playing with lands in front! Liking the Geist of St. Traft in Stoneblade a lot too.

[Ziveeman]

Geist is a good choice for Stoneblade with all of the Reanimator/Sneak Show decks running around since it actually gives you a decent clock instead of just durdling around with Stoneforge and Lingering Souls.

[nedleeds]

I was 5-2-1 heading into round 9 and they were saying 621 might make it. I ended up losing but my opponent didnt make the cut either.

I was playing UB Bird Stax

Today I walked up to the win a box guy 3 different times to see if anyone had even asked about vintage. No dice.

[Koby]

Casey and I were showboating near the end of te SCG Super IQ for funsies. His Esper Balance list skullfucked the shit with an insane fof pile that started with Tinker and ended with Ancestral recall and a Demonic tutor tucked between

[JeroenC]

Although Trash had already won GP Lille 2005 in the past. Anyone remember the times when people played 4 mana beaters like Fledgling Dragon or Mystic Enforcer? :eyebrow:

Do you mean remember or miss?:frown:

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Back on the Maverick plan. #2Karakas #gpatl #faircards

[Blitzbold]

And Canadian takes down its first Legacy GP. Was about time, I guess.

Although Trash had already won GP Lille 2005 in the past. Anyone remember the times when people played 4 mana beaters like Fledgling Dragon or Mystic Enforcer? :eyebrow:


Do you mean remember or miss?:frown:

Yeah. Placed 46th in Lille. Maindecked 3 Mystic Enforcers.

Just for the nostalgia:

4 Werebear
3 Nimble Mongoose
3 Mystic Enforcer
2 Meddling Mage

4 Force of Will
3 Daze
2 Counterspell
1 Misdirection

4 Brainstorm
4 Serum Visions
4 Predict
2 Sleight of Hand

4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Pithing Needle

4 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
3 Windswept Heath
2 Island
1 Plains
1 Forest

SB:
3 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Meddling Mage
2 Armageddon
2 Tivadar’s Crusade
1 Gilded Drake
1 Seal of Cleansing
1 Naturalize
1 Pithing Needle
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Tormod’s Crypt

/nostalgia

Funny how some choices are repeating themselves. Gilded Drake and Pithing Needle anyone?

Congrats to all who made it to the top places. Kudos to WotC for showing not only the Top8, but Top32 decklists as well. Seems as if they heard our voices. What a nice and diverse field. I am already curious how Ghent will play out and how the format will evolve.

[Darkenslight]

Howcome?

Because it was in every starter precon up until, well, Starter. As an aside, that's a decetn variety of Legacy decks in that Top 8.

[Richard Cheese]

Because it was in every starter precon up until, well, Starter. As an aside, that's a decetn variety of Legacy decks in that Top 8.

THANK YOU. To this day I still have to remind myself to move my lands down in practically EVERY game.

And now, my tournament report:

Friday night: .dk and I get in, grab some food at a decent but uninteresting brewery/grill down the street, and get back in time to sign up for the last grinder. We mill around until they finally have to fire it with only 18 players, and of course get paired up in the first round...sweet. I end up taking the match and getting 4th, good for a whopping 9 packs!

We drop our stuff off in the room and go down to the bar because I gotta buy this man a beer for the crappy luck. Magic players are everywhere and the other patrons look slightly terrified. A shitfaced Drew Levin borrows some Show and Tells and we are very pleased with the quality and selection of draughts at the hotel.

Saturday: We run into Ho Master in the elevator, which is awesome because I haven't seen the guy in a couple years and didn't even know he was going. Introductions and deck choice discussions proceed. Breakfast at the hotel restaurant is wildly overpriced, but actually pretty decent.

I go an abysmal 4-5. .dk however, has apparently exhausted all his bad luck and takes a brand new, untested list to 7-2 day one, including the best, most impossible victory I've ever witnessed. TinFins is the real deal people, and .dk has the t-shirt to prove it. Unfortunately Wizards lists it as "Reanimator Tendrils", which I am currently in the process of pursuing litigation over.

We gather our crew and take a cab to Holeman & Finch. The wait for a table proves to be completely worth it, as we dominate fat stacks of charcuterie and offal, accompanied by some excellent beers and cocktails. Highlights include pig ears, lamb heart, and steak tartare that must be made of fucking unicorn it tastes so amazing. Despite trying his best, the cabbie for the ride back is unable to murder us, and we get some much-needed sleep.

Sunday: .dk ends up at 10-5, good for 86th place. Not bad for round 1 being his second ever sanctioned match with the deck. By the time he's done we're both burned out and decide to head to the airport early and drink beer until it's time to head back West.

Overall the event was great. The venue was excellent, super convenient and with working climate control. Even the bathrooms were nice, although by the end of the day the urinals were practically coated in pubes. What the fuck Magic players? My dog doesn't shed that bad.

[chinEsE girl]

I'm so glad I went to this tournament, it was awesome all around. Didn't know too many source people who were there, but I did get to hang out with Koby and Morbid during the weekend.

The only complaint I have is pretty serious though. The TO kept announcing round after round that people shouldn't drop because there would be some 6-2-1s that would make it to day two. At one point he even said that some 6-3s could possibly make it. This was pretty absurd looking at the standings going into the last round, where there were a ton of people at X-2 or better and almost no shot for any X-2-1s to make it in. In fact, I talked to another player on day two who said he saw multiple matches in round 9 draw because they were 6-2 and thought a draw would lock both of them into day 2. Instead every single person who intentionally drew knocked themselves out due to some terrible information they were getting fed every single round. Even though the people who drew should of had enough sense to look at the standings and figure out they couldn't possibly think of drawing, plenty of people did anyway. I don't know if I can do something to keep this from happening at other GPs, but I'm damn well going to try.

[cdr]

I'm so glad I went to this tournament, it was awesome all around. Didn't know too many source people who were there, but I did get to hang out with Koby and Morbid during the weekend.

The only complaint I have is pretty serious though. The TO kept announcing round after round that people shouldn't drop because there would be some 6-2-1s that would make it to day two. At one point he even said that some 6-3s could possibly make it. This was pretty absurd looking at the standings going into the last round, where there were a ton of people at X-2 or better and almost no shot for any X-2-1s to make it in. In fact, I talked to another player on day two who said he saw multiple matches in round 9 draw because they were 6-2 and thought a draw would lock both of them into day 2. Instead every single person who intentionally drew knocked themselves out due to some terrible information they were getting fed every single round. Even though the people who drew should of had enough sense to look at the standings and figure out they couldn't possibly think of drawing, plenty of people did anyway. I don't know if I can do something to keep this from happening at other GPs, but I'm damn well going to try.

The TO should not be announcing a certain record makes day 2 of a GP (other than the guaranteed X-2) if the cut is uncertain, it goes against best practices for exactly the reasons above. The cut at >800 is the greater of X-2 or 128, and there were 129 X-2s. Ironically people being told to stay in may have pushed the cut up to the point where only X-2s made it.

I believe Atlanta was run by Phoenix Games/Jeff Williams who is the most responsive TO there is - he really actually cares about players. If you fill out the contact form at http://www.phoenixgamesinc.com/contact with your feedback, it should hopefully reach Jeff.

You could also tweet @HeleneBergeot (https://twitter.com/#!/HeleneBergeot) if you have a general GP concern, she's very responsive on twitter.

[Final Ritual]

If you're X-2 going into the last round you're dumb as a rock for drawing yourself out. I don't care what the TO said at the begining of the day. The players to my left in round 9 decided to draw themselves out.

[nedleeds]

In fact, I talked to another player on day two who said he saw multiple matches in round 9 draw because they were 6-2 and thought a draw would lock both of them into day 2. Instead every single person who intentionally drew knocked themselves out due to some terrible information they were getting fed every single round. Even though the people who drew should of had enough sense to look at the standings and figure out they couldn't possibly think of drawing, plenty of people did anyway. I don't know if I can do something to keep this from happening at other GPs, but I'm damn well going to try.

Yes, I played round 9 actually giving a shit -- I think my opponent also felt a win would have meant day 2. Math is your silent friend in life.

Also ... board state after RUG delver opponent went down 0-2, game one with no perms game 2 having never attacked with a delver for fear of bird of death..

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cNAy_rHZy5U/T_G1ymyJGJI/AAAAAAAAAbA/nS7QiFNlao8/s1600/IMAG0152.jpg

[CorpT]

I'm so glad I went to this tournament, it was awesome all around. Didn't know too many source people who were there, but I did get to hang out with Koby and Morbid during the weekend.

The only complaint I have is pretty serious though. The TO kept announcing round after round that people shouldn't drop because there would be some 6-2-1s that would make it to day two. At one point he even said that some 6-3s could possibly make it. This was pretty absurd looking at the standings going into the last round, where there were a ton of people at X-2 or better and almost no shot for any X-2-1s to make it in. In fact, I talked to another player on day two who said he saw multiple matches in round 9 draw because they were 6-2 and thought a draw would lock both of them into day 2. Instead every single person who intentionally drew knocked themselves out due to some terrible information they were getting fed every single round. Even though the people who drew should of had enough sense to look at the standings and figure out they couldn't possibly think of drawing, plenty of people did anyway. I don't know if I can do something to keep this from happening at other GPs, but I'm damn well going to try.

That's crazy. Why would the TO be saying that?

[cdr]

That's crazy. Why would the TO be saying that?

An honest mistake I'm sure - someone no doubt thought that X-2-1 or X-3 really did have a shot, but they were inexperienced/didn't understand the math/whatever.

[Richard Cheese]

The TO should not be announcing a certain record makes day 2 of a GP (other than the guaranteed X-2) if the cut is uncertain, it goes against best practices for exactly the reasons above. The cut at >800 is the greater of X-2 or 128, and there were 129 X-2s. Ironically people being told to stay in may have pushed the cut up to the point where only X-2s made it.

I believe Atlanta was run by Phoenix Games/Jeff Williams who is the most responsive TO there is - he really actually cares about players. If you fill out the contact form at http://www.phoenixgamesinc.com/contact with your feedback, it should hopefully reach Jeff.

You could also tweet @HeleneBergeot (https://twitter.com/#!/HeleneBergeot) if you have a general GP concern, she's very responsive on twitter.

It was not the TO making those announcements, that was the head judge. He's a level 5 from Denver. I'm sure his name is listed in the coverage somewhere, I'm just too lazy to go look.

[cdr]

It was not the TO making those announcements, that was the head judge. He's a level 5 from Denver. I'm sure his name is listed in the coverage somewhere, I'm just too lazy to go look.

Ah, Scott Marshall. A good guy but often a bit forgetful/clueless... who knows if the cut announcements were his idea or someone else's though.

If the cut announcements ticked you off you should send an appropriate tweet to @HeleneBergeot as above and the feedback will go to the appropriate people.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Anyone who intentionally drew round 9 is a fucking idiot. Why would you intentionally draw round 9 of a 15 round tournament that cuts to top 8?

[CorpT]

Anyone who intentionally drew round 9 is a fucking idiot. Why would you intentionally draw round 9 of a 15 round tournament that cuts to top 8?

If they thought that they could make day 2 with a 6-2-1 it makes sense. Everyone who doesn't make day 2 makes $0. The people who make day 2 have a chance at making money. Someone going in a X-2 has a rough road to Top 8 anyway.

[Julian23]

I've seen pros ID in round 9 so they could get in another hour of sleep.

[Gheizen64]

Yes, I played round 9 actually giving a shit -- I think my opponent also felt a win would have meant day 2. Math is your silent friend in life.

Also ... board state after RUG delver opponent went down 0-2, game one with no perms game 2 having never attacked with a delver for fear of bird of death..

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cNAy_rHZy5U/T_G1ymyJGJI/AAAAAAAAAbA/nS7QiFNlao8/s1600/IMAG0152.jpg

Odyssey filter lands? With tezz and owl it seems like the best land ever. It seems a blast to play.

[dontbiteitholmes]

If they thought that they could make day 2 with a 6-2-1 it makes sense. Everyone who doesn't make day 2 makes $0. The people who make day 2 have a chance at making money. Someone going in a X-2 has a rough road to Top 8 anyway.

Yeah money is based on standings though, so again, why would you draw in the middle of a 15 round tournament when payout is based on standings?

Payout for this GP started at 31 points which is a 10-4-1 record and top 32 was at 33 points or 11-4-0, so the difference between top 64 and top 32 is $200 or drawing the end of day 1. So by drawing the end of day 1 at this event had you made the cut you would be making going 4-2 payout $200 instead of $400, going 3-1-1 payout $0 instead of $200, if you did make a run day 2 you make it impossible to get into top 8 with anything but a perfect 6-0 record, ect. So I will stand by my statement that drawing round 9 of a 15 round tournament is retarded.

[cdr]

Yep, trying to draw into day 2 is dumb. It only makes sense to people who lack confidence and aren't thinking about the fact that just day2ing gets them nothing. People do all sorts of dumb things at GPs, though.

[Julian23]

Because you assume that going for the 100% chance of making Day2 is better EV than only 50% - valued against the decreased odds of finishing in the money if you make Day2.

[CorpT]

Because you assume that going for the 100% chance of making Day2 is better EV than only 50% - valued against the decreased odds of finishing in the money if you make Day2.

Basically this.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Yep, trying to draw into day 2 is dumb. It only makes sense to people who lack confidence and aren't thinking about the fact that just day2ing gets them nothing. People do all sorts of dumb things at GPs, though.

What about the shirt though????????????????!!!!!

Seriously I stand by my analysis. Drawing into day 2 is stupid. I've had this conversation with multiple people and it boils down to "would you draw in the middle of any other event? This is a 15 round tournament the fact it is split over 2 days is inconsequential."

If you don't have the guts to tough out round 9 you aren't going to money anyways.

[Namida]

What about the shirt though????????????????!!!!!

Seriously I stand by my analysis. Drawing into day 2 is stupid. I've had this conversation with multiple people and it boils down to "would you draw in the middle of any other event? This is a 15 round tournament the fact it is split over 2 days is inconsequential."

If you don't have the guts to tough out round 9 you aren't going to money anyways.

Consider the type of player who doesn't care about finishing in the money but wants *only* to get to day two.

[Que]

The lack of Dredge in the Top 32 makes me a sad panda

[Final Ritual]

Consider the type of player who doesn't care about finishing in the money but wants *only* to get to day two.

That doesn't excuse them for being blind and not looking at standings to see that there was no way they could draw into day 2 at X-2.

[Julian23]

Yeah? If so, I advise you not to look at the number of Dredge Decks that made Day2.

Hint: f(x)=1

[Final Ritual]

The lack of Dredge in the Top 32 makes me a sad panda

There were soo many bad dredge players there. I don't think I saw any at the day 2 tables.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Consider the type of player who doesn't care about finishing in the money but wants *only* to get to day two.

Most of those players aren't ever going to be in a position to draw into day 2.

[Namida]

That doesn't excuse them for being blind and not looking at standings to see that there was no way they could draw into day 2 at X-2.

I personally don't know anything about how to read tournament standings to know when to intentionally draw. If my only goal is to do well enough to get to day two and the judge/TO is feeding me improper information about what I can do to get there, I think that's a problem.


Most of those players aren't ever going to be in a position to draw into day 2.

Most is not all, and I've seen some pretty bad players get pretty far in events like these.

[(nameless one)]

I'm curious about who made day two with Forgemaster/Metalworker.


And the list that ran Land Tax.

[CorpT]

I'm curious about who made day two with Forgemaster/Metalworker.


And the list that ran Land Tax.

Top 32 lists are up. Including the Land Tax list.

[Que]

@Julian & Final Rit. Oh jeez I guess it was worse than I thought. :/

[lsho]

Seen the feature match of Chapin vs. Korey McDuffie on stream. Any chance to get in contact with Korey about his deck list? Would be interested to have a look at it! :)

[dontbiteitholmes]

I personally don't know anything about how to read tournament standings to know when to intentionally draw. If my only goal is to do well enough to get to day two and the judge/TO is feeding me improper information about what I can do to get there, I think that's a problem.

Most is not all, and I've seen some pretty bad players get pretty far in events like these.

You shouldn't rely on the head judge to tell you if you are going to make day 2. People X-2 or better always make day 2, if there are less than 128 at X-2 or better than the top 128 make it. At Atlanta there were exactly 129 people X-2 or better, so before the last round I'm sure it was easy to guess that some X-1-2's might make it and maybe even some X-2-1's. The judge was probably trying to do the people already at those records a favor by letting them know they shouldn't drop. I seriously doubt he was encouraging people to draw into day 2 at X-2-0.

It's not that hard to figure out whether you can get to day 2 from standings after round 8. Look at the # of people already in at 21 point or more. In Atlanta this was 61, so you know 61 of 128 slots are locked. So 128 - 61 = 67 open slots. Now look at all the people that can possibly make X-2 or better. In Atlanta 18 points goes down to place #204 so 204 - 61 = 141 which means 141/2 = 72 matches will likely determine remaining 21 pointers. 72+61 = 133 possible 21 pointers making day 2. So people who passed 8th grade math shouldn't have assumed they could ID into day 2 with X-2-1. At the same time 72 matches is quite a number, if you assume 10% of those matches draw (hopefully unintentionally) that means around 123 people will be at 21 points or better, which would mean 5 people with records under X-2-0 would make the cut. So the judge was right to tell people not to drop, but everyone who ID'd is an idiot for the reasons already mentioned plus not doing basic math. From the looks of it maybe 4 or 5 matches out of 72 drew so I don't think it's valid to argue the judge burned a bunch of people when in reality it was probably 2 or 3 matches IDing at X-2-0 if that.

[Namida]

You shouldn't rely on the head judge to tell you if you are going to make day 2.

I agree with your statement here, and I agree that the judge probably wasn't trying to convince people to draw at 6-2. However, I've learned not to trust the judges about that only because the judges at the events I've been to make a point of claiming that they can't aid me in that way...so if the judge is getting on the loudspeaker and saying "You can make it!!!" I'm more inclined to consider drawing to not risk the loss when I normally wouldn't even consider drawing--this is of course because I have no fucking clue how to figure it out for myself. In this way, I have to say I disagree with you about how easy you imply it is to figure this information out. You literally just gave the explanation and my eyes glazed over, so I would imagine that players who have never needed to know how to do it would not rely on much more than the staff apparently saying "6-2-1 can make day two." Now, I'm willing to concede that I might just be incompetent, and perhaps the only reason I find this an issue is because I'm one of those "idiots who doesn't know math;" however, I would also contend to you that my inability to figure out that I'd be screwing myself by listening to the staff's poor choice in words and my skill in magic are mutually exclusive--and the fact that people actually tried drawing at X-2 is proof of this being true for some number of people in the room. Honestly, if figuring this all out is supposed to be so easy, maybe the staff shouldn't have tried to help anyone out by telling them that X-2 could make it because you're implying that it should have been obvious to anyone who can do math. It just seems to me that the "help" actually harmed more people than doing any good. I'm not trying to say that the judge burned a bunch of people, but the 4 or so people who were affected is enough for me to consider it a failure in communication on the part of the staff. Then again, this might just be a difference of opinion: I don't think that understanding this information to the point that you couldn't be misled by the advice of the staff is a prerequisite to participating in the tournament, but it seems that you believe it to be elementary knowledge.

[dontbiteitholmes]

I agree with your statement here, and I agree that the judge probably wasn't trying to convince people to draw at 6-2. However, I've learned not to trust the judges about that only because the judges at the events I've been to make a point of claiming that they can't aid me in that way...so if the judge is getting on the loudspeaker and saying "You can make it!!!" I'm more inclined to consider drawing to not risk the loss when I normally wouldn't even consider drawing--this is of course because I have no fucking clue how to figure it out for myself. In this way, I have to say I disagree with you about how easy you imply it is to figure this information out. You literally just gave the explanation and my eyes glazed over, so I would imagine that players who have never needed to know how to do it would not rely on much more than the staff apparently saying "6-2-1 can make day two." Now, I'm willing to concede that I might just be incompetent, and perhaps the only reason I find this an issue is because I'm one of those "idiots who doesn't know math;" however, I would also contend to you that my inability to figure out that I'd be screwing myself by listening to the staff's poor choice in words and my skill in magic are mutually exclusive--and the fact that people actually tried drawing at X-2 is proof of this being true for some number of people in the room. Honestly, if figuring this all out is supposed to be so easy, maybe the staff shouldn't have tried to help anyone out by telling them that X-2 could make it because you're implying that it should have been obvious to anyone who can do math. It just seems to me that the "help" actually harmed more people than doing any good. I'm not trying to say that the judge burned a bunch of people, but the 4 or so people who were affected is enough for me to consider it a failure in communication on the part of the staff. Then again, this might just be a difference of opinion: I don't think that understanding this information to the point that you couldn't be misled by the advice of the staff is a prerequisite to participating in the tournament, but it seems that you believe it to be elementary knowledge.

If the kids ID'd they are dumb, there is obviously a difference between X-2-1 can make day 2 and X-2-1 will make day 2. If they reached the end of the match and it was a draw and instead of one person scooping the other into day 2 they both drew then guess what, they both didn't belong in day 2 because they both had an X-2-1 record which didn't make the cut. Fact of the matter is some people probably scooped their opponent in and the matches where that happened instead of them both just taking a draw is what lead to no X-1-2's or X-2-1's making it. If all matches had played out and no one had conceded and just took the draw instead some of the X-1-2's would have made it and maybe some of the X-2-1's. If 2 more matches out of 72 had drawn the judge would have been right.

[joemauer]

There were soo many bad dredge players there. I don't think I saw any at the day 2 tables.

This and it was hated out pretty good.

There were a lot of dredge players(including myself, scrubbed out hard), and it seems everyone knew there would be a lot of dredge players as well as Reanimator.

I'll go ahead and tell about my worse tourney ever with dredge.
Drove up friday not realizing Atlanta is in a different time zone(mistake I make everytime I go there) and got a sweet two hours of sleep.

Round 1 versus Nic Fit:
Game one: I keep a weak 7 with careful study one land and a bunch of dredgers. My opponent keeps a weak five card hand on the draw. I dredge piles of crap for three turns hitting one ichorid and a bridge. He topdecks Scavenging Ooze and murders me. Should have mulled.

Game two: He mulls again to five. I eat his hand of two oozes with a Cabal Therapy. He has Dryad Arbor and Phyrexian Tower to eat a couple of my bridges and topdecks a GSZ to get a Gaddock Teeg, he only runs two oozes. Well I dredge crap again even with Faithless Looting to dig deep. We grind it out for awhile, me stripping his and while he topdecks Surgical Extraction to stop Ichorids. He eventually top decks an Academy Rector and sacs it to tower to get Reacurring Nightmare to get a Sun Titan back to get an ooze back to stabalize. I would have killed him next turn, he was at two life.

Round two versus Monoblack stupidness.

Game one: Win like dredge should.
Game two: I see him side in three cards so I side in prepared for Surgical and/or Crypt. He mulls to six and drops a Leyline of the Void. Good game.
Game three: He starts with Leyline again, but I destroy it with a Nature's Claim. I dredge stuff. He plays Topor Orb. I freak out thinking it is some secret tech against my Iona that I plan on stomping face with as soon as I get three creatures. My paranoia from the lack of sleep was starting to sink in. During my panic I forget to dredge for my turn and draw a Bridge from Below! He plays a Phyrexian Dreadnought and stomps me.

Round three against the Mirror.
Game one: He keeps a weak six and I win handily on the draw.
Game two: He goes off quicker.
Game three: I start with Putrid Imp. He starts with a Careful Study and bins two dredgers. I make another epic mistake and use my Memory's Journey to get rid of his dredgers hoping to slow him down. I durdle around hoping to get my Elesh in play. He plays another Careful Study and bins more dredgers. Turn after that he uses LED and Faithless Looting to dredge a bunch and Reanimate Griselbrand.

I should have played elves. And maybe sleep more.

[cdr]

I don't think anyone really cared about dredge, but people cared a lot about reanimator and the cards that are good against reanimator are even better vs dredge. Dredge was an awful call for that tournament, I think Martell even mentioned that in his video beforehand.

[Parcher]

I don't think anyone really cared about dredge, but people cared a lot about reanimator and the cards that are good against reanimator are even better vs dredge. Dredge was an awful call for that tournament, I think Martell even mentioned that in his video beforehand.

I thought so beforehand as well, and almost audibled. But none of that was true. I only lost to hate twice.

[joemauer]

Dredge has to fight through hate. It is something that comes with playing the deck.

I personally feel I lost to play mistakes, I made numberous. The graveyard hate my opponents played meant I needed to play much tighter games.

How did the tourney go for you Parcher?

And what about Hollywood? How'd it go?

[.dk]

Totally had a blast in Atlanta and playing in the GP. I ended up finishing 86th, which I felt really good about for being only the second GP I've ever attended. Had a great time meeting and talking with some fellow sourcers and players there and looking forward to the next time! Will be posting a more detailed report when I get some time (hopefully in the next few days).

Preview...

Props:
-Venue and location were awesome (train stop 3 doors down was amazing)
-Richard Cheese for not giving up on our homebrew after I already had
-Holeman & Finch for an AMAZING dinner Saturday night (albeit very late)

Slops:
-Being paired against Richard Cheese for the mirror Round 1 in the last Grinder where we just wanted to get some play testing experience with the brew
-Lack of free WiFi in the hotel was bizarre (only bad thing I can say about the venue though)
-Hobo's trying to steal our cell phones in the elevator

[sdematt]

Link to the Top 32 decklists?

-Matt

[nedleeds]

Dredge is miserable for Magic. It's miserable to play against and in my opinion a hopelessly boring deck to actually play. I am happy to see it get raped at the GP. Honestly, I understand playing it to try to win or playing it because you are poor but I often ask, 'what if everyone played XXXXXX?'. If everyone played dredge (or belcher) nobody would even play Magic; it would be mind numbingly boring and just be a coinflip.

Thankfully as many pointed out terrible players often pick it up and it's hated out and suffers from splash hate as well.

[CorpT]

Link to the Top 32 decklists?

-Matt

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpatl12/welcome#9

[sdematt]

Merci buckets.

@ Dredge

Beating Dredge players feels absolutely amazing. The look on their face when you board in 10 cards is priceless. At Seattle, I ground my Dredge opponent into the dust with Surgical Extractions, Tormod's Crypt, EE, Deed, Scavenging Oozes, and Tracker. Nice Bridges, mate. Tracker makes your Zombie fight my Dryad Arbor. Bye bye bye, Bridges. /NSync

-Matt

[Parcher]

Dredge has to fight through hate. It is something that comes with playing the deck.

I personally feel I lost to play mistakes, I made numberous. The graveyard hate my opponents played meant I needed to play much tighter games.

How did the tourney go for you Parcher?

And what about Hollywood? How'd it go?

Not great. Went 10-5 with 1 Bye. Lost to Merfolk and U/R retard due to multiple hate. Lost to SnS to a 1st turn Emrakul with Force backup, a third turn kill on the play by Affinity, and a Nic Fit player who just had a ton of cards that forced interaction, and played well(can't rightly call Knight, Ooze and Spike Feeder "hate"). Beat every kind of hate possible. Including Enchantress with two Elephant Grass, Wheel, and Ground Seal on board, and a Storm player who Extracted my Narcomoebas and Ichorids on turn one with me only having 10 cards left in my library.

[Solaran_X]

Not great. Went 10-5 with 1 Bye. Lost to Merfolk and U/R retard due to multiple hate. Lost to SnS to a 1st turn Emrakul with Force backup, a third turn kill on the play by Affinity, and a Nic Fit player who just had a ton of cards that forced interaction, and played well(can't rightly call Knight, Ooze and Spike Feeder "hate"). Beat every kind of hate possible. Including Enchantress with two Elephant Grass, Wheel, and Ground Seal on board, and a Storm player who Extracted my Narcomoebas and Ichorids on turn one with me only having 10 cards left in my library.
Now that sounds like an epic match.

[Anusien]

Merci buckets.

@ Dredge

Beating Dredge players feels absolutely amazing. The look on their face when you board in 10 cards is priceless. At Seattle, I ground my Dredge opponent into the dust with Surgical Extractions, Tormod's Crypt, EE, Deed, Scavenging Oozes, and Tracker. Nice Bridges, mate. Tracker makes your Zombie fight my Dryad Arbor. Bye bye bye, Bridges. /NSync

-Matt
Thankfully all I have to do is win game 1 and watch players with 10 hate cards lose repeatedly.

[Que]

@Nedleeds. That can be said about any deck. If everyone was playing the same shit I wouldn't be playing Magic. Hell that is the primary reason I don't play standard. Why would I want to sit in front of mirror matches all day...

Of course it can simply be my affinity for fringe (if you want to call dredge that) decks in general. Thats the reason I play it. And yes on a smaller scale I do like seeing my opponents squirm when they have no clue what they're doing against the deck.

@sdematt. That look is more of disbelief. That someone would commit so many hate cards for the match. But its understandable to have that many I guess. Because we know what happens to an unprepared opponent now don't we. :U

[nedleeds]

@Nedleeds. That can be said about any deck.

No. It can't. Dredge and Belcher are just not interesting, fun or interactive. Game one vs. dredge is a complete bore, there's little interaction ... the dredge player just blows you out or fizzles. It's not interesting, I've played the match 100's of times. It's not. Combat is rarely interesting, the stack is rarely interesting. The deck is just what it is ... a cheap way to compete in legacy (same with vintage). If everyone played it the parts would get banned because of the mass exodus of players.

[Que]

Thats fine. I just had a different interpretation. I wouldn't want to play MTG if everyone was playing the same deck regardless of what said deck was. bleh.

Anywoo as to not derail this thread. I'm definitely going to try and put Sam Black zombies together. Again its an oddball deck. Perfect!

EDIT: I guess Dredge is a cheap deck to build comparitively, however, I don't believe that to be the sole reason indiviauls play the deck. I know in my case I have plenty of Legacy staples and could put together a Tier 1 deck I just choose not to because Dredge is "fun" for me. Again thats just my case.

[HokusSchmokus]

No. It can't. Dredge and Belcher are just not interesting, fun or interactive. Game one vs. dredge is a complete bore, there's little interaction ... the dredge player just blows you out or fizzles. It's not interesting, I've played the match 100's of times. It's not. Combat is rarely interesting, the stack is rarely interesting. The deck is just what it is ... a cheap way to compete in legacy (same with vintage). If everyone played it the parts would get banned because of the mass exodus of players.

I cannot express how much I disagree on this.

[Parcher]

Now that sounds like an epic match.

Don't know about epic, but it was certainly righteous.

I won game one by turn three. Nothing special. Game two, he thought a really long time about his keep, and went land, go. I had the ever popular Land, LED, Breakthrough, and Flashback Looting, which all resolved. Narco triggers on the stack, he Extracted them. Sigh. He then goes, land, go again. Hmm...

My upkeep, triggers on the stack, Extirpate your Ichorids. Oh, that's what you were thinking about keeping. He looks through my now 8 card library, and says, "is that it, dude? Do you even have a way to win now?(I had sided out PImps)" Yes. Yes I do.

I use the one Journey I sided in against IGG and Cabal Rit on my upkeep to return three lands. I draw for the turn, play the land I drew(I had four left already,which I guess looked bad to him), and pass. He Brainstorms and says go.

I say, "I'll Dredge". Whaaaaa?

I dredge Thug, and play it. Sac Thug to Therapy you, get four Bridge triggers. Trigger Thug, put it back on top of my library. Name Cabal Ritual. Sac zombies to DR Iona. Name Black. Go. He does some irrelevant stuff with Blue spells. Next turn, draw Thug. Repeat. Swing. Repeat.

GG. Nice Extractions, brah.

[sdematt]

Mind you, 10 cards also include incidental hate.

Sure you can win through 10 hate cards, but that's also because most people keep a hand that includes hate and nothing else, and consider it a keep. It has to be a hand with/without the hate, as well.

-Matt

[Sloshthedark]

Don't know about epic, but it was certainly righteous.


Extractions in ANT? he deserved it

[Brot_Ohne_Kruste]

No. It can't. Dredge and Belcher are just not interesting, fun or interactive. Game one vs. dredge is a complete bore, there's little interaction ... the dredge player just blows you out or fizzles. It's not interesting, I've played the match 100's of times. It's not. Combat is rarely interesting, the stack is rarely interesting. The deck is just what it is ... a cheap way to compete in legacy (same with vintage). If everyone played it the parts would get banned because of the mass exodus of players.

I think both decks are interesting and fun. Interactive on the other hand, especially game one, is an issue, that's right. Both decks are pretty streamlined, Belcher even more than Dredge. But in my opinion this isn't bad at all because these strategies are a part of Magic. They may be unfair in certain situations and not fun for the opponent, but doing unfair things is so much fun; at least for me :). Unfortunately I think the debate about fun and unfun is a moot point. I, for one, would pick Dredge any day in both formats. Not because of financial reason - I'm able to buy easily into any deck, if I want -, but because I love this deck so much :). And yes, I even played other decks in both formats.



GG. Nice Extractions, brah.

You nicely punished his arrogance :D.

[nedleeds]

First off. In Flames is fucking beast. Second. My basic point is that the game would die if 1/2 the field played those two decks. It just would no longer be an interesting CCG. Or likely if it got to the point where they were dominant enough strategies to merit that type of show, then bannings would occur to prevent the death of the format.

[cdr]

Here's Dan's Team America deck tech in case anyone missed it: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/richcastle-07062012team-america-legacy-deck-tech/

[Michael Keller]

I don't think anyone really cared about dredge, but people cared a lot about reanimator and the cards that are good against reanimator are even better vs dredge. Dredge was an awful call for that tournament, I think Martell even mentioned that in his video beforehand.

Although I didn't attend, any player playing Dredge that knows how to play it properly could power through the first day by crushing bad opponents and erratic, porous sideboarding strategies. It really isn't that hard if your sideboard is up to par, either.

The variance and poor siding/mulligans probably just knocked off the bad Dredge players early - which they deserved and was probably a large reason why they didn't make it to the top tables.