Echoing Truth v. Dredge

[Water_Wizard]

General question:

Is it worth bringing in reactive creature removal vs. Dredge (i.e. Echoing Truth or Wrath of God), outside of Swords to Plowshares?

On the positive side, you can bounce a lot of Zombies (or Goblins if you face Empty the Warrens).

On the negative side, if you have to cast Echoing Truth or Wrath of God, you are already losing and they have most likely Cabal Therapied you a few times (removing your Echoing Truth or creating new Zombie tokens off the Bridge from Below trigger, which is below your Echoing Truth on the stack).

Discussion?

[DrHealex]

General question:

Is it worth bringing in reactive creature removal vs. Dredge (i.e. Echoing Truth or Wrath of God), outside of Swords to Plowshares?

On the positive side, you can bounce a lot of Zombies (or Goblins if you face Empty the Warrens).

On the negative side, if you have to cast Echoing Truth or Wrath of God, you are already losing and they have most likely Cabal Therapied you a few times (removing your Echoing Truth or creating new Zombie tokens off the Bridge from Below trigger, which is below your Echoing Truth on the stack).

Discussion?

Yes, I believe so. Even bouncing multiple narcomoebas is worthwhile.
Also, if they flashback cabal therapy, the tokens go into play first before the naming of the card. You will remove all the tokens with ET.

[Julian23]

It's only a short-term solution to a bigger threat..but I think it's decent at that. Bouncing Narcomoeba(s) will often buy a turn. Bouncing several tokens for sure does. Depending on what deck you're playing, that might be all you need to stabilize.

Since Dredge plays a very special kind of Magic, almost every deck will have cards maindeck that are worse than Dredge in that Matchup. The only time I wouldn't bring in Truth would be me playing a faster or equally fast combo deck than Dredge.

[DragoFireheart]

It's only a short-term solution to a bigger threat..but I think it's decent at that. Bouncing Narcomoeba(s) will often buy a turn. Bouncing several tokens for sure does. Depending on what deck you're playing, that might be all you need to stabilize.

Since Dredge plays a very special kind of Magic, almost every deck will have cards maindeck that are worse than Dredge in that Matchup. The only time I wouldn't bring in Truth would be me playing a faster or equally fast combo deck than Dredge.

- What decks do you think are faster than Dredge? :cry:

[jamis]

Belcher, Spanish Inquisition

[Awaclus]

- What decks do you think are faster than Dredge? :cry:
Almost any combo deck is faster than Dredge. Even Burn can definitely race Dredge. Dredge is so slow that DeckCheck.net used to list it as an aggro deck instead of combo.

[Sloshthedark]

depends what are you playing and what are you expecting, I have Chain of Vapored Ichorid few time ftw. bouncing 2 moebas after draw is devastating, zombies are obvious target, but you won't likely have it in hand by that time


Almost any combo deck is faster than Dredge. Even Burn can definitely race Dredge. Dredge is so slow that DeckCheck.net used to list it as an aggro deck instead of combo.

well last time I played against dredge we had 9 turns in the match overall, I won 2-1 and he was the one with 1st turn kill (while I had FTK in hand too, sad) ... I won't list LED dredge under aggro anymore

[Final Fortune]

- What decks do you think are faster than Dredge? :cry:

Any Storm deck.

[Awaclus]

I won't list LED dredge under aggro anymore
Well, Dredge and LED Dredge aren't the same thing.

[DragoFireheart]

I was referring to LED Dredge. I'm assuming that is the performing version?

[Awaclus]

I was referring to LED Dredge. I'm assuming that is the performing version?
Yes, LED Dredge sees more play than regular Dredge at the moment.

[Basara]

Yes, LED Dredge sees more play than regular Dredge at the moment.

which is stupid

[csy]

which is stupid

I like what you've added to the discussion here. Super valuable to the process.

Echoing truth is a card I recently removed from my board(s) in SnT and BUG control. I did run it as a 2 spot for a while in both, but I don't feel that I really need it anymore. Id rather have soft counters to just stop the cabals/returns/leds thats just personal preference and its worked out for me thus far.