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[k2thej]

I think Delver and Clique give MUC just enough beef to be viable. List needs to be trimmed (at 64 right meow). suggestions?

Creatures (9):
4 delver of secrets
3 vendilion clique
2 snapcaster mage

Spells (16):
4 brainstorm
4 force of will
4 counterspell
2 spell snare
2 devastation tide

Perms (17):
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
3 Back to Basics
4 Jace, the mind sculptor
2 vedalken shackles

Lands (22):
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Flooded Strand
14 island

[Kich867]

Drop a clique, a top, as well as devastation tide because it doesn't seem very useful.

Spell Snare isn't that fantastic right now and might be better as pierces.

And then you're at 60.

[k2thej]

Sooo like dis? you'd run 3 tops and 4 CB? Still at 61 somehow, must have counted wrong. Maybe go to 3 cb?


Creatures (8):
4 delver of secrets
2 vendilion clique
2 snapcaster mage

Spells (14):
4 brainstorm
4 force of will
4 counterspell
2 spell snare

Perms (17):
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
3 Back to Basics
4 Jace, the mind sculptor
2 vedalken shackles

Lands (22):
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Flooded Strand
14 island

[phyrex1]

I have been playing a similar list with great success.

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Brainstorm
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Counterbalance
4 Mana Leak
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Phantasmal Image
4 Counterspell
1 Echoing Truth
2 Vendilion Clique
4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
4 Wasteland
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
3 Tolaria West
1 Academy Ruins
9 Island


Sideboard:
3 Force Spike
2 Disrupt
3 Daze
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Back to Basics*
2 Energy Flux*
3 Mindbreak Trap

* Feel free to exchange

[k2thej]

I have been playing a similar list with great success.

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Brainstorm
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Counterbalance
4 Mana Leak
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Phantasmal Image
4 Counterspell
1 Echoing Truth
2 Vendilion Clique
4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Force of Will
4 Wasteland
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
3 Tolaria West
1 Academy Ruins
9 Island


Sideboard:
3 Force Spike
2 Disrupt
3 Daze
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Back to Basics*
2 Energy Flux*
3 Mindbreak Trap

* Feel free to exchange

Sweet! How is phantasmal image working out? Do you think it is better than phyrexian metamorph?

Also, how is the 1 top 1 CB working? How often do you get them in?

[HPB_Eggo]

I've actually been working on something similar that runs more of an old-school Goblins mana base, i.e. Wasteland and Rishadan Port. With that, you can keep the opponent low on mana, therefore keeping CB relevant even in matches where it might normally be avoidable.

It's also a lot harder on the tempo, with Stifle/Spell Pierce + Snapcaster Mage and Delver. It works kind of like RUG with less hefty beaters, no burn, more counters, and a more stable mana base.

[k2thej]

I've actually been working on something similar that runs more of an old-school Goblins mana base, i.e. Wasteland and Rishadan Port. With that, you can keep the opponent low on mana, therefore keeping CB relevant even in matches where it might normally be avoidable.

It's also a lot harder on the tempo, with Stifle/Spell Pierce + Snapcaster Mage and Delver. It works kind of like RUG with less hefty beaters, no burn, more counters, and a more stable mana base.

I think keeping as many islands as possible is important with all the blue symbols around. Back to basics should give em more than enough trouble getting around CB.

[klaus]

Sooo like dis? you'd run 3 tops and 4 CB? Still at 61 somehow, must have counted wrong. Maybe go to 3 cb?


Creatures (8):
4 delver of secrets
2 vendilion clique
2 snapcaster mage

Spells (14):
4 brainstorm
4 force of will
4 counterspell
2 spell snare

Perms (17):
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
3 Back to Basics
4 Jace, the mind sculptor
2 vedalken shackles

Lands (22):
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Flooded Strand
14 island


-1 Jace -3 B2B -2 Shackles + 4 STP +2 Terminus would improve that list tremendously imo.
It's different deck then, but a stronger one..

[k2thej]

-1 Jace -3 B2B -2 Shackles + 4 STP +2 Terminus would improve that list tremendously imo.
It's different deck then, but a stronger one..

I'm totally in love with mono legacy =p. That's why I love b2b.

[klaus]

I'm totally in love with mono legacy =p. That's why I love b2b.

Danger of cool things: check.
:tongue:

[phyrex1]

Phantasmal Image has either been amazing or uncastable. And uncastable isn't necessarily bad, either. I mean, if I can't copy anything, I'm usually not facing much in the way of pressure. It's only been awkward so far against Man Lands, Planeswalkers, and crappy tokens. (ie, Elspeth and her +3/+3 ability)

Image answers Gaddock, Thalia, Thrun and others, pairs well with Snapcaster and a flipped Delver. Image is cheap at two mana, so even trading 1:1 with any given legendary creature you are breaking no worse than even.

Countertop happens often enough to warrant a singleton of the combo pieces. I have roughly ten shufflers and plenty of dig, so I get it more often than I would normally expect. Even a "blind" Counterbalance is strong with a full compliment of Brainstorms, Jaces, Fetches, and some math.

Counterbalance is a bit awkward with Delver, being that it is an Enchantment, but it also pairs really well. If I flip on Counterbalance, I know whether or not my Delver will flip, and I can adjust my plays accordingly.

Reasonably, I can see running more Counterbalances and fewer Images, but Image tends to be pretty phenomenal.

Cards I would consider....

an Intuition package
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Academy Ruins (I cut mine and an Island for the full a compliment of Fetches)
2-3 Utility artifacts (I'm even considering Serrated Arrows)
a way to reliably produce any color of mana (maybe one Mox Diamond to fetch with West) to activate Image abilities (ie, Grim Lavamancer!)

Anyhow, I thoroughly enjoy MUC, and this Delver deck is a blast to play.

[k2thej]

Phantasmal Image has either been amazing or uncastable. And uncastable isn't necessarily bad, either. I mean, if I can't copy anything, I'm usually not facing much in the way of pressure. It's only been awkward so far against Man Lands, Planeswalkers, and crappy tokens. (ie, Elspeth and her +3/+3 ability)

Image answers Gaddock, Thalia, Thrun and others, pairs well with Snapcaster and a flipped Delver. Image is cheap at two mana, so even trading 1:1 with any given legendary creature you are breaking no worse than even.

Countertop happens often enough to warrant a singleton of the combo pieces. I have roughly ten shufflers and plenty of dig, so I get it more often than I would normally expect. Even a "blind" Counterbalance is strong with a full compliment of Brainstorms, Jaces, Fetches, and some math.

Counterbalance is a bit awkward with Delver, being that it is an Enchantment, but it also pairs really well. If I flip on Counterbalance, I know whether or not my Delver will flip, and I can adjust my plays accordingly.

Reasonably, I can see running more Counterbalances and fewer Images, but Image tends to be pretty phenomenal.

Cards I would consider....

an Intuition package
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Academy Ruins (I cut mine and an Island for the full a compliment of Fetches)
2-3 Utility artifacts (I'm even considering Serrated Arrows)
a way to reliably produce any color of mana (maybe one Mox Diamond to fetch with West) to activate Image abilities (ie, Grim Lavamancer!)

Anyhow, I thoroughly enjoy MUC, and this Delver deck is a blast to play.

Again, though, why not phyrexian metamorph instead of image?