Power 9 of legacy? State your pic's >^,^<

[feline]

I will make a few lists based on different things.

List # 1: Based on what is the most played works from one argument.

List # 2: I will list cards simply by their $ value, whatever is the most expensive top 9 cards in legacy will get the slot, the only requirement is that those cards actually see play in legacy on some level, so some more expensive cards might be left out if they don't see play in legacy at all. Also I will go with cheapest versions available, meaning things like Dual lands will be Revised, not beta.

List # 3: Based on power level, a list could look a little different than the other 2

For what is played the most, I can go with this:

White: Swords to Plowshares
Blue: Brainstorm / Force of will
Black: Thoughtseize
Red: Lightning bolt
Green: Tarmogoyf
Land: Fetch lands (Ex: Polluted Delta) / Dual Lands (Ex: Underground sea) / Wasteland
Artifact: Lion's Eye Diamond

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For what is the most expensive:

The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale 325.00$
Moat 325.00$
Imperial recruiter 300.00$
Candelabra of tawnos 250.00$
Grim tutor 200.00$
Loyal Retainers 150.00$
Underground sea 150.00$
The Abyss 130.00$
(tie) Nether void / Tundra / Volcanic Island / Tropical Island 120.00$
(Starcitygames prices)

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Based on power level, these have been suggested:

Swords to Plowshares
Stoneforge Mystic
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Jace, the Mindsculptor
Show & Tell
Dark Confidant
Green Sun's Zenith
Lion's Eye Diamond

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Other cards people have suggested since making this post:
White: Mother of runes, path to exile, enlightened tutor,

Blue: Delver of secrets, Ponder, Daze, counterbalance, snapcaster mage, stifle,

Black: Griselbrand, Infernal tutor, Dark ritual, Bridge from Below,

Red: burning wish, Goblin Lackey, goblin piledriver, goblin welder, goblin guide,

Green: Scavenging ooze, Natural order, life from the loam,

Gold: Knight of the reliquary, Progenitus, vindicate,

Artifact/Colorless: Umezawa's Jitte, Aether vial, Sensei's divining top, Lotus petal, metalworker, Emrakul, the aeons torn,

Land: mutavault, karakas, dryad arbor,
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Thank you about the fixed tags, I didn't realize I was just missing 1 letter the whole time >^,^<
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[KobeBryan]

I will make a few lists based on different things.

List # 1: I will try to pick a slot for each color, at least 1 artifact, at least 1 land, something along those lines. Based on what is the most played.

List # 2: I will list cards simply by their $ value, whatever is the most expensive top 9 cards in legacy will get the slot, the only requirement is that those cards actually see play in legacy on some level, so some more expensive cards might be left out if they don't see play in legacy at all. Also I will go with cheapest versions available, meaning things like Dual lands will be Revised, not beta.

For what is played the most, with a minimum of 1 of each color, I can go with this:

White: Swords to Plowshares
Blue: Brainstorm / Force of will
Black: Dark confidant
Red: Lightning bolt
Green: Tarmogoyf
Land: Fetch lands (Ex: Polluted Delta) / Dual Lands (Ex: Underground sea) / Wasteland
Artifact: Lion's Eye Diamond

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For what is the most expensive:

1 - The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale 325.00$
2 - Moat 325.00$
3 - Imperial recruiter 300.00$
4 - Candelabra of tawnos 250.00$
5 - Grim tutor 200.00$
6 - Loyal Retainers 150.00$
7 - Underground sea 150.00$
8 - The Abyss 130.00$
9 - (tie) Nether void / Tundra / Volcanic Island / Tropical Island 120.00$


any black deck must have thoughtseize. I would play thoughtseize over bob if i JUST had to choose. but of course, I'd play both.

[Julian23]

I'd go with Thoughtseize seeing more play than Dark Confidant.

[feline]

Ah, forgot about thoughtseize somehow, thank you and noted. >^,^<

[Humphrey]

Umezawas Jitte > LED i guess
Land is easily Wasteland

Your most expensive list is also incorrect since the italian versions of the legend cards are much cheaper

[kusumoto]

Power nine aren't called that because of cost or prevalence in the format. It's because they are(where) the strongest cards available.

The closest things in Legacy to being worthy of a title like that are probably something along the lines of...


Lion's Eye Diamond
Brainstorm
Dark Confidant
Force of Will
Jace, the Mindsculptor
Swords to Plowshares
Lightning Bolt
Green Sun's Zenith


Something like that. Color shouldn't matter. The power 9 is just blue after all. Naturally, the strongest cards will be blue and black. I guess people don't like that, but it's a fact.

[KobeBryan]

I would also choose green sun over goyf.

THere is what...one deck that uses goyf.

[feline]

Ah, I didn't include foreign Italian Legends cards, I forgot about the fact that's available, I just never remember foreign cards.

[Humphrey]

There are some more goyfs in random decks, but since RUG is played that heavily Goyf is currently the most played green card.


I also agree, Power 9 in Legacy with the same meaning like in vintage should be other cards.

Its (in my opinion):

1. Brainstorm
2. Green Sun Zenith
3. Show and Tell
4. Jace TMS
5. Delver of Secrets
6. Swords to Plowshares
7. Lions Eye Diamond
8. Wasteland
9. Force of Will

[Piceli89]

Brainstorm, Force of Will, Wasteland, Lion's Eye Diamond, Show and Tell, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Delver of Secrets, Green Sun's Zenith, Swords to Plowshares.

Each one has a power level that's evidently impressive, so that it either breaks the format or keeps it glued. Everything else is aeons behind those, with Snapcaster being almost there (but still quite far).
Also, note that 7 on 9 are blue or colorless: I must be right! :laugh:

[Michael Keller]

What about Aether Vial? The card practically define(s) multiple archetypes. Although it doesn't see a whole lot of play right now like its counterparts (much like Timetwister in Vintage), it's still arguably one of the most powerful accelerators the format has ever seen.

In any deck that runs it the card is incredibly powerful and basically changes the dynamic of the entire game - starting on the first turn. Just for shits and giggles: If it weren't for Aether Vial, the Goblins player would not have been able to win the Legacy Open at the Invitational under the most tense of circumstances. Ringleader gave him the out, but Vial enabled the win - like it always can/does.

[jrw1985]

Brainstorm
Force of Will
Ponder
Daze
Lion's Eye Diamond
Stoneforge Mystic
Sensei's Divining Top
Show and Tell
Wasteland

Brainstorm
Force of Will
Ponder
Daze
Wasteland
These 5 are the closest to a Power 9 because they are the most ubiquitous cards in the format. The other 4 just have a ton of playability for many differing strategies and show up in a whole host of various decks.

[Iron Buddha]

I think Griselbrand should be on that list.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Brainstorm
Force of Will
Ponder
Daze
Lion's Eye Diamond
Stoneforge Mystic
Sensei's Divining Top
Show and Tell
Wasteland

Brainstorm
Force of Will
Ponder
Daze
Wasteland
These 5 are the closest to a Power 9 because they are the most ubiquitous cards in the format. The other 4 just have a ton of playability for many differing strategies and show up in a whole host of various decks.

LOL @ Daze.

[TerribleTim68]

I'm gonna have to go with some of the above posts just based on what gets played. I mean, isn't that what proves that it's worthy of that "Power 9" ranking? So if we look at what actually gets played by the vast majority of decks then you have to go with :

Force of Will
Brainstorm
Wasteland

Beyond that, I don't think the rest measure up to that level. Even Jace isn't as highly played as those. If Jace was at the same level then every blue deck would run him, and they don't. But you'll be hard pressed to find a blue deck that doesn't run FoW and Brainstorm. Other decks even splash blue for those cards so in my opinion they are head and shoulders above the rest. Wastelend doesn't need a splash color and it is everywhere as well. So I only list those 3 as being at that "Power 9" level, everything else is maybe a touch under that.

Again, just my opinion. But you have to look at what exactly "Power 9" means. And to me, it means cards that just simply define the format. Let's face it, in Legacy you're either playing those 3, specifically finding a way to beat those 3 or you're losing to those 3. THAT defines a format!

[Ignithas_]

I'm gonna have to go with some of the above posts just based on what gets played. I mean, isn't that what proves that it's worthy of that "Power 9" ranking? So if we look at what actually gets played by the vast majority of decks then you have to go with :

Force of Will
Brainstorm
Wasteland

Beyond that, I don't think the rest measure up to that level. Even Jace isn't as highly played as those. If Jace was at the same level then every blue deck would run him, and they don't. But you'll be hard pressed to find a blue deck that doesn't run FoW and Brainstorm. Other decks even splash blue for those cards so in my opinion they are head and shoulders above the rest. Wastelend doesn't need a splash color and it is everywhere as well. So I only list those 3 as being at that "Power 9" level, everything else is maybe a touch under that.

Again, just my opinion. But you have to look at what exactly "Power 9" means. And to me, it means cards that just simply define the format. Let's face it, in Legacy you're either playing those 3, specifically finding a way to beat those 3 or you're losing to those 3. THAT defines a format!
I agree with you with Brainstorm and FoW. I know that Wasteland is much played, but it's a land and it's hard to compare a land with spells. Otherwise the top list would have many dual lands in it.

[dontbiteitholmes]

If power 9 "defined the format" the power 9 in vintage would be Moxes, Lotus, Workshop, Bazaar, Recall.

This thread is just "Name 9 cards in Legacy for any arbitrary reason you decide on"

[Humphrey]

Its not a land, its an uncounterable LD Spell for 0 ;)

Doublewaste an opponent at the start, often leads to winning, so its def. one of the L-P9

[GradStudentGuy]

Here is my quick list of cards that I feel define the format from a pure power standpoint.
1. Force of Will
2. Wasteland
3. Lions Eye Diamond
4. Brainstorm
5. Aether Vial
6. Green Suns Zenith
7. Burning Wish
8 &9 . Counterbalance/ Top ( They go in the same deck)

[joemauer]

For kicks:

1. Brainstorm
2. Temporal Mastery
3. Diminishing Returns
4. Lion's Eye Diamond
5. Chrome Mox
6. Mox Opal
7. Mox Diamond
8. Lotus Petal
9. Dark Ritual

[lavafrogg]

1. Brainstorm
2. Swords to plowshares
3. Lions eye diamond
4. Lightning bolt
5. Green Sun's Zenith
6. Wasteland
7. Thoughtsieze
8. Stoneforge mystic
9. Snapcaster Mage

[Freggle]

The power 9 for Legacy would really be the fetches and duals plus artifact mana. It just doesn't add up to 9.

..but as an exercise I thought I would list the 9 most powerful cards by effect vs. answers in Legacy

20 Minutes of thought:
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Natural Order
Show and Tell
Bridge from Below
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Lion's Eye Diamond
Aether Vial
Knight of the Reliquary
Dark Ritual

In no particular order. These cards set the bar / define archetypes. Ban any one of them and the format will shift. Some are currently positioned better right now than others.

Again 20 mins. so there is likely something a little off.

Honorable Mentions:
Metalworker
Goblin Welder
Lotus Petal
Brainstorm

[Bardo]

Moved to Community.

[Sloshthedark]

LED
Show and Tell
Brainstorm
Force of Will
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Jace the Mindsculptor
Sensei's Divining Top
KotR

dunno - Life from the Loam/Moat/Stifle/Entomb? maybe just Fetches

[Sintheros]

I know its seen minimal play recently, but Intution (http://deckbox.org/mtg/Intuition) is immensely powerful.