Jason’s Archives: The Audacity of Professional Jugglers/Cheaters...

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Jason’s Archives: The Audacity of Professional Jugglers/Cheaters, Reader Submissions & All the Decklist Analysis Your Prefrontal Cortex Can Handle (http://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/jasons-archives-the-audacity-of-professional-jugglerscheaters-reader-submissions-all-the-decklist-analysis-your-prefrontal-cortex-can-handle/)

Jason addresses the SCG on camera cheats this past weekend and posts some funsies he found around the internet.

Thoughts?

[cdr]

That's the dumbest thing I've read this month.

[Lemnear]

Nothing of value and like 8 topics in a single article.

Reads like he wanted to ride a hot topic for the sake of being Hot and just offer the obvious advice "pay attention" at the end without covering the damage this does to the game or any new thoughts about the topic. Instead he's derailing His own article with juggling, populism (Call for a ban) and brainfarts like bamboozle.

Waste of time

[dontbiteitholmes]

I think this article does present a valid point to all the people who seem to scream "OMG how can the judge miss this?, SCG judges are sooo shitty." or my personal favorite "OMG SCG conspiracy to help cheaters," every time this happens. Dude pulled off this cheat in front of an opponent, a judge, Adrian Sullivan, and Patrick Chapin. Maybe pointing out the warning signs of a cheater is something that is worth repeating in your article given the circumstances. Probably 9-10 magic players would have missed this if not more.

[Lemnear]

Signs? Any good cheater will make it hard to differ if he's setup a cheat, stalls, concentrates to not miss a trigger or being just nervous by looking through the graveyard and check the board multiple times etc.

Because it is guys like Saito and Alex could pull of this shit 4 years before being punished. The only thing this case proves is that Not even a few additional pair of eyes Could Save you from being cheated out of a Top 8. This is the issue that should have been adressed here 4 example.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Signs? Any good cheater will make it hard to differ if he's setup a cheat, stalls, concentrates to not miss a trigger or being just nervous by looking through the graveyard and check the board multiple times etc.

Because it is guys like Saito and Alex could pull of this shit 4 years before being punished. The only thing this case proves is that Not even a few additional pair of eyes Could Save you from being cheated out of a Top 8. This is the issue that should have been adressed here 4 example.

Okay...

Don't see how that would have made the article any better.

[SlopeeJ]

so what was the actual cheat? When he fetched he presented his deck with one card still where his deck use to be, presented then his opp cut and then he put the card on top? Which was the batterskull??


I'm all confused and couldn't really tell anything from the video

[Valtrix]

If you watch, when he fetches with the polluted delta, he grabs his entire deck except the bottom card. This bottom card happens to be batterskull, which was just put there from the Clique his opponent had just played. After searching for a land and putting it to play, he presents his deck at the middle of the table for the opponent to cut. However, that bottom batterskull is still where his deck used to be, right next to where he had put his hand. Then, right before returning his deck to the proper spot he sweeps up the batterskull into his hand. Then, right after that you see him play the batterskull he cheated into his hand.

If you look into it more you can see a lot of subtle things he does to distract his opponent. He touches random cards, moves fast, purposefully forgot to untap his mystic to cause his opponent to focus more on the board, and other things.

[SlopeeJ]

That is what I thought, I was curious about the card still there when he presented his deck. Does seem very ballsy that he would do this with everyone watching on camera and no one notices. You can see he slide that card to the top of his deck then drew it

Are you allowed to ask your opp to durdling around during your turn/his turn? Touching shit etc etc