Jushi Apprentice

[Offler]

Jushi Apprentice

Just to be sure. I activate his ability, one card is drawn. If I have 9 "after the draw" I can flip it.

Few people were arguing that the ability tracks amount of cards when the ability is activated, not when it resolves...

Here I am quite confused at the ability. I am not sure whether its one single activated ability, which tracks amount of cards as a part of resolution or two linked abilities...


Second question:
Jushi flips and becomes Tomoya the Revealer. I remember that "flipped" is similar to "tapped" - its a state of object (creature). Therefore I believe that flipped card is same object as before flipping (also the reason why Ki counters remain on certain cards), so i also believe that Tomoya remains Tapped immediately after flipping.

However i have seen few players have flipped Jushi, but Tomoya was in play untapped. I never witnessed any attempt to activate his ability after flipping since players did not have enough mana for it...

Also few people were trying to kill him/copy him once he flipped, But here I am absolutely sure that copy of him will enter battlefield "unflipped".

[Kich867]

Jushi Apprentice

Just to be sure. I activate his ability, one card is drawn. If I have 9 "after the draw" I can flip it.

Few people were arguing that the ability tracks amount of cards when the ability is activated, not when it resolves...

Here I am quite confused at the ability. I am not sure whether its one single activated ability, which tracks amount of cards as a part of resolution or two linked abilities...


Second question:
Jushi flips and becomes Tomoya the Revealer. I remember that "flipped" is similar to "tapped" - its a state of object (creature). Therefore I believe that flipped card is same object as before flipping (also the reason why Ki counters remain on certain cards), so i also believe that Tomoya remains Tapped immediately after flipping.

However i have seen few players have flipped Jushi, but Tomoya was in play untapped. I never witnessed any attempt to activate his ability after flipping since players did not have enough mana for it...

Also few people were trying to kill him/copy him once he flipped, But here I am absolutely sure that copy of him will enter battlefield "unflipped".

The flip ability as far as I know is linked to the activated ability because it's within the same text.

If it was:

3 tap: draw a card.

If you have 9 cards in hand flip him.

that'd be different, but those two sentences are linked, one isn't a state based effect for the card. I also believe that he is indeed tapped after flipping. And the card doesn't flip on the activation of the ability, you can't respond to the activations of abilities and the flip being tied to the ability would imply that the card can't even know about that part until the ability resolves.

So, in other words, you draw a card, then it checks if you have 9, then it flips if you do.

[cdr]

It's not a "linked ability" - that's something completely different, look it up if you want to know - the flip clause is just a sentence following "draw a card", eg it's all the part of the same ability. Draw a card, then if you have 9 or more cards flip him.

Flipped is indeed a state, so if he's tapped when you flip him he's still the same tapped object.