FTV: Realms previews

[mcfarland]

Looks like a few of the cards were just previewed on Magic's Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151907716850307.868537.201120755306&type=1).

So far we see Dryad Arbor, Forbidden Orchard, Glacial Chasm, Grove of the Burnwillows, Murmuring Bosk, and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.

[(nameless one)]

I was looking through the Facebook page. Apparently theyve never seen Dryad Arbor before.

[joemauer]

Lame list of lands.

Does anyone know if there will be any awesome lands like Karakas, Wasteland, Tabernacle, or Maze of Ith? Old artwork foil Maze of Ith would be so awesome.

[bfeingersh]

In love with the new Grove art. The old one is amazing too, so I might need to split my playset 2/2...

[CorpT]

I was looking through the Facebook page. Apparently theyve never seen Dryad Arbor before.

That was ridiculous.

[Koby]

I love the new art, but just wish it wasn't in foil and was in the old frame instead...

[sdematt]

Man, I want these in nonfoil, holy hell.

Is there a way to peel off the foil layer without peeling off the picture?

-Matt

[mcfarland]

Man, I want these in nonfoil, holy hell.

Is there a way to peel off the foil layer without peeling off the picture?

-Matt

I don't think there is on these. The foiling process for the FTV's have all been horrendous. Hopefully they've made some changes.

On another note, the art for Arbor is amazing, too. The couple making out in the background is fantastic.

[csy]

this release to this forum will entirely be, oh yeah nothing to see here... move along..

unless someone thought they were going to do something to our eternal formats... then go ahead and dream.

[lavafrogg]

They have released some cool cards in these non-set sets. New mox diamonds, new knights, scavenging oozes... I'm sure something in the set will have us in mind. The dryad arbor is a hit for many legacy decks.... We will have to see about the rest.

[Alexeezay]

I'm so happy that they reprint Urborg & Grove of the Burnwillows, those lands really spiked up in price since their release..

[Julian23]

Is there a place in the interwebs where you can preorder? Local shops usually only get very little numbers of these sets and they are sold out like half a year in advance.

[Amon Amarth]

These lands are OK for casual decks but the art is fantastic. I dislike playing with foils, for the most part, so I won't be picking these up as singles. I will probably get the box and keep it sealed and maybe bust later singles.

[UnsungHero]

I do find it interesting that Dryad Arbor doesn't have any reminder text. Love the new art for Arbor and Grove but I have always been a sucker for the time-shifted frames.

Looks pretty good so far. Anything can be better than that lousy FtV Legends.

[xfxf]

If only these cards were non foil.. Maybe they should try something new like a non-foil card with a foil Wizards star, that way the card would be an eye-candy while still retaining a premium collectors item feel. Normal foils lose all the flavor for me.

[evanmartyr]

If anything, it should drive the price of the non-foils down a bit, which would be good.

[nedleeds]

Hideous foil and new frame ... all on a bunch of $3 rares. Fucking sign me up.

Edit: I guess Urborg is expensive for no reason.

[god_campbell]

Hideous foil and new frame ... all on a bunch of $3 rares. Fucking sign me up.

Edit: I guess Urborg is expensive for no reason.

EDH is the reason so many cards have spiked in price.

[Barook]

Are there any ways to get the boxes still for "cheap"?

49,99€ still seems like an OK price if there are 1-2 more gems in it. Thoughts?

[Viridia]

Where did you actually find them for that price? I can't seem to fidn any under 75 :P

[Barook]

Where did you actually find them for that price? I can't seem to fidn any under 75 :P
Google is your friend. (http://www.fantasy-in.de/shop/shop1prodview_iMTG72415.html)

Now all I can do is wait and hope for some bomb like Karakas.

[Picc]

Considering they said this set would blow the doors off to make up for the boondoggle that was FTV legends I'm unimpressed so far. The art is cool, but the foiling is ugly IMO, so that's a wash. Here's hoping we haven't seen the bomb yet since all the cards so far are pretty underwhelming.

[Barook]

Karakas alone would be a huge bomb.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure we're going to see Cabal Coffers.

Maze of Ith and/or Wasteland would be amazing as well.

Ancient Tomb is another candidate, considering it never got a foil version.

Mutavault would be sexy as well.

[Humphrey]

my bet is on Rishadan Port

[Amon Amarth]

Considering they said this set would blow the doors off to make up for the boondoggle that was FTV legends I'm unimpressed so far. The art is cool, but the foiling is ugly IMO, so that's a wash. Here's hoping we haven't seen the bomb yet since all the cards so far are pretty underwhelming.

Same. Because all the old, good cards are all so damn expensive I don't think we'll see more than one. I'd love to be wrong though. I'll be disappointed if the set turns out to be FTV: Pipe Dream.

[Barook]

How limited is the print run for FTV anyway?

It basically prints money (as long as it isn't as bad as FTV: Legends) for anyone.

[Leftconsin]

Their marketing department is going to say whatever they want to build hype for this. Expect them to say stuff like it being the best FTV EVARH!. Because that is their job.

The biggest problem is most of the lands that should be in this box set are either on the reserve list (Tabernacle, Academy) or have been a recent judge foil (Maze, Wasteland). I thought Karakas was lined up to be a judge foil later this year, but honestly that card makes no sense as a judge foil. Most judges I've ever met only play Commander, where it is banned.

[coraz86]

I thought Karakas was lined up to be a judge foil later this year, but honestly that card makes no sense as a judge foil. Most judges I've ever met only play Commander, where it is banned.

Maybe this is my inner conspiracy theorist, but I think there are enough people in the world who want foil Karakas that judges who don't want them for Legacy could pretty much name their asking price (cash or trade) if it was a judge promo. So it actually would be super sexy for everybody if they'd do judge promo Karakas.

Long as they don't fuck it up with 350 logos/retarded flourishes like they did the judge promo Bobs and Goblin Welders.

[feline]

Blagh, I just want to know what the remaining 9 unknown's will be, shouldn't there be some more teasers by now? it's been a bit and it's only a couple weeks away now

[Aggro_zombies]

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/235789926682202113

Looks like "the" promised legendary land is Boseiju. For those who preordered this product at exorbitant prices on the hope it contained Karakas, looks like you're SOL.

[Julian23]

Oh c'mon....Boseiju, really? Glad I didn't preorder.

But, why only 1 additional legendary land? Has there been an announcement about this?

[Aggro_zombies]

Oh c'mon....Boseiju, really? Glad I didn't preorder.

But, why only 1 additional legendary land? Has there been an announcement about this?
I think it's for the EDH players, but I don't actually know anyone who plays Boseiju in EDH, so...

Sally is down for me, so I can't see if there's info on the exact number of legendary lands, but MaRo's wording suggests there is exactly one in the product and that one is Boseiju.

[Mr Miagi]

Sally is down for me, so I can't see if there's info on the exact number of legendary lands, but MaRo's wording suggests there is exactly one in the product and that one is Boseiju.

... Urbor, tomb of yawgmoth.. just saying..

[Aggro_zombies]

... Urbor, tomb of yawgmoth.. just saying..
Oh, right. Well, okay, make that two marginally playable legendary lands for the EDH crowd.

[Linqed]

Oh, right. Well, okay, make that two marginally playable legendary lands for the EDH crowd.

"From the Vault" is secretly named "For the EDH"?

[Aggro_zombies]

"From the Vault" is secretly named "For the EDH"?
Well, to be honest with you, I wouldn't want to play with FtV cards in a Constructed tournament if I could help it. They curl very, very noticeably and are a pain in the ass to keep flattened out. I've heard using Perfect Fits does it, but I double sleeve all my cards and it doesn't help at all.

But I don't think people mind as much for EDH.

[Amon Amarth]

Urborg, TOY is a hell of a lot better than Boseiju and is widely played. Still... fucking Boseiju?! Really? Does not compute. Are they trying to make FTV Legends look good in comparison?

[Julian23]

So try tripple-sleeves :-) They've actually been around for some years but hardly anybody uses them. Tripple sleeving makes me unable to pick up my deck with a single hand.

[dahcmai]

Well, this was my guess from my typical purely marketing/business point of view.


Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Ancient Tomb
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Command Tower
Reliquary Tower
Maze of Ith
Flagstones of Trokair
Darksteel citadel
Mutavault
Tolaria West
Cabal Coffers
Temple of the False God
Miren the Moaning Well
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Glacial Chasm


I admit, I totally didn't expect dryad Arbor. I knocked it up to their reluctance to touch on those Future sight cards. They really haven't messed with them as much as I thought they would.

That list was made with keeping collector's from whining, Legacy players getting a small bone, a single money card to front the shelf with, a highly wanted foil version of a card that wasn't ever foil, a few fillers to be interesting, but not price wrecking, and of course a huge sway toward making EDH players toss money at them.


We actually have a giveaway at our store for the person who guesses the contents of it the closest. Whoever gets it the closest wins a free FTV: Realms.

[UnsungHero]

Vesuva is in.

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/235884389177896960/photo/1

[Valtrix]

Well, to be honest with you, I wouldn't want to play with FtV cards in a Constructed tournament if I could help it. They curl very, very noticeably and are a pain in the ass to keep flattened out.

Have you tried putting them in a sleeve, then taping them to a bottle to curl the opposite way of the foiling, and letting them stay that way for awhile? I didn't do this for FTV foils, but have for promo and regular foils, and it seemed to work out pretty well.

[jam3sbob]

Interesting way to uncurl foils, will definitely try this.

[Barook]

I'm still hoping for some big money cards like Maze of Ith, Karakas and/or Wasteland. Even Mutavault would be fine.

But who knows what they put into the Commander's Arsenal series (Sylvan Library is already conformed) to justify the 75$ price tag. But Karakas is banned in EDH, so it wouldn't make sense to put it in there.

[Fizzeler]

I am okay with Vesuva in the seT, but so far the set has way to many time spiral block lands

Why boseiju over Academy Ruins? At least one of those is played in Legacy, Modern, and EDH

As for foiling I just stick them in Binder, after a little while they uncurl

[Mr Miagi]

Also.. lots of old arts.. me not happy..

Well like I care that much, I find the ftv foiling truly aesthetic and "plastic" so, w/e. :smile:

[Mr Miagi]

Ancient tomb confirmed

[Koby]

Ancient tomb confirmed

And looks just about as ugly as Old art does in New frames.

What a piece of dreck. FTV: Lost-opportunities.

[Aggro_zombies]

What a piece of dreck. FTV: We Continue To Make These Just To Rub Your Faces In The Fact That The Reserved List Keeps Us From Reprinting Anything Good
Fixed that for you.

[Mr Miagi]

Fixed that for you.

more like that indeed :mad:

[bruizar]

And looks just about as ugly as Old art does in New frames.

What a piece of dreck. FTV: Lost-opportunities.

I hold my breath every time a new FTV set is released. It has the chance to lower the value of my collection every time a new set is printed.

I'm happy no stupid things like Gaea's Cradle were reprinted, although my 4x foil Vesuva, 4x foil bosejiu and 4x murmuring bosks are upset, it wasn't too bad. I'm glad Glacial Chasm and Ancient Tomb got a foil now. Wish the Ancient Tomb was aesthetically more awesome, since it's the first time stompy can get fully foiled now (looking at you city of traitors test foil). Had they made ancient tomb look really hot, the set would sell much better than it is going to now. Vintage, EDH and legacy stompy pimps would all love to get 4 ancient tombs, but now that they look meh I bet a bunch of pimps will stick to their old ones.

[Amon Amarth]

That Ancient Tomb really looks bad with old art + new frame. Eck.

[Barook]

Ancient Tomb was kinda expected. But damn, this digitally remastered art with the new frame looks terrible.

Makes Karakas with new art more and more likely, though. :laugh:

@bruizar: Cradle is on the Reserve List.

[Koby]

@bruizar: Cradle is on the Reserve List.

Which is exactly why I have 6 copies on hand (3 english, 3 Korean) /brags

[sdematt]

Why would you print "From the Vault: Garbage" when you can print "From the Vault: Money"? I just don't get it.

-Matt

[bruizar]

Which is exactly why I have 6 copies on hand (3 english, 3 Korean) /brags

Just got rid of 1 normal, still have 2 normal and 1 judge gift. :-)



Why would you print "From the Vault: Garbage" when you can print "From the Vault: Money"? I just don't get it.

-Matt

I think it's just lack of insight on wizards' part. For them, it's just a job, for us, it's our main hobby.

[Caniki]

Maze of Ith is in.

wizards_magic: (Jon) Maze of Ith is in #FTVRealms! @caprine was the first to guess correctly! #mtg http://t.co/VMOdFPJe

[Barook]

Maze of Ith is in.

wizards_magic: (Jon) Maze of Ith is in #FTVRealms! @caprine was the first to guess correctly! #mtg http://t.co/VMOdFPJe
Sweet!

Also a better art than the Judge promo.

@bruizar: They could also make more money if the print run wasn't that limited.

[bruizar]

I think I'm still gonna go ahead and pick up 4 Ancient Tombs. The rest is not interesting for me. Okay, maybe a Chasm even though I hate the art.

Just glad my Rishadan Ports / Wastes didn't take a nose dive like my Goblin Welders :D

[Barook]

Just glad my Rishadan Ports / Wastes didn't take a nose dive like my Goblin Welders :D
While unlikely, both are still fair game, though.

[sdematt]

Maze is a good addition, and the art isn't too bad. Let's hope the rest go well.

-Matt

[Lord Seth]

This may be a minor nitpick, but one thing that bugged me about Maze of Ith was that it could hit flying creatures despite being...well, a maze. The original picture, as weird as it was, at least looked like it might be in the sky. This one, though, does leave me wondering "gee, why can't the flyers just fly over it?"

That said, it makes Realms look a lot better.

[Amon Amarth]

Cool art for the Maze. Still prefer the surreal old one though. FTV: Not bad.jpg

[Barook]

This one, though, does leave me wondering "gee, why can't the flyers just fly over it?"
The new Maze has lightning in it, though. Lightning has a history of taking flyers down in Magic.

And you shouldn't try to put too much sense into Magic. Birds of Paradise dual-wielding magic swords doesn't make much sense, either.

[xfxf]

Cards like Hammerhead Shark with "can't attack if defending player controls an Island" doesn't make much sense either. What if the Planeswalker isn't standing on the beach next to the sea, will this giant fish jump out from the ocean and hit him on the head? In fact, I don't know how a Mother of Runes or a Birds of Paradise can block it. Me for instance, can hardly dive deeper than 10m, how deep can a BoP go to block this shark? It's also curious why creatures turn back to base after every attack to run all the way back to the opponent's planeswalker again next turn, only to find blockers in their path.

[Julian23]

Gentlemen, as long as Remove Soul can successfully counterspell Soulless One, Birds of Paradise might as well carry 10 Equipments.

[Lord Seth]

Gentlemen, as long as Remove Soul can successfully counterspell Soulless One, Birds of Paradise might as well carry 10 Equipments.Well, that's why they replaced Remove Soul with Essence Scatter.

[Fizzeler]

Maze is a good addition, and the art isn't too bad. Let's hope the rest go well.

-Matt

my thoughts as well

[phonics]

Full list from http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/24711-Unboxing-From-the-Vault-Realms.html

The Complete List:
Glacial Chasm
High Market
Murmuring Bosk
Shivan Gorge
Vesuva
Windbrisk Heights
Grove of the Burnwillows
Forbidden Orchard
Cephalid Coliseum
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Maze of Ith
Dryad Arbor
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Desert
Ancient Tomb

I dont get why Shivan Gorge and Desert are in it.

[Aggro_zombies]

Full list from http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/24711-Unboxing-From-the-Vault-Realms.html

The Complete List:
Glacial Chasm
High Market
Murmuring Bosk
Shivan Gorge
Vesuva
Windbrisk Heights
Grove of the Burnwillows
Forbidden Orchard
Cephalid Coliseum
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Maze of Ith
Dryad Arbor
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Desert
Ancient Tomb

I dont get why Shivan Gorge and Desert are in it.
IIRC Gorge is the only land in the cycle of rare Urza's lands (Academy, Cradle, etc.) that isn't on the Reserved List.

Desert...yeah, you got me. No one liked it when it cropped up in Time Spiral or when it was an FNM foil (with the same art as the FtV version). Might be someone's pet card.

[Lord Seth]

No Karakas, then? Darn it, I was really hoping for one of those...

Still, the Urborg and Maze of Ith alone will probably be worth it. Hope it's not too limited a print run.

[Aggro_zombies]

No Karakas, then? Darn it, I was really hoping for one of those...

Still, the Urborg and Maze of Ith alone will probably be worth it. Hope it's not too limited a print run.
There's no way they'd put an expensive, hard-to-find, currently-played card in a set like this. All the people who bought it at inflated prices would lose their shit.

[evanmartyr]

Ancient Tomb instead of City of Traitors? Fuck you, WotC. Fuck you in the ear.

But getting Vesuva and Urborg makes up for it somewhat.

[Barook]

Ancient Tomb instead of City of Traitors? Fuck you, WotC. Fuck you in the ear.
City of Traitors is on the Reserve List.

Desert? But we already got it as FMN and as timeshifted card. And it still sucks.

What exactly makes High Market iconic?

[UnsungHero]

City of Traitors is on the Reserve List.

Desert? But we already got it as FMN and as timeshifted card. And it still sucks.

What exactly makes High Market iconic?

High Market is popular in EDH.

[DLifshitz]

Maybe they made this list while Vesuva and Grove of the Burnwillows were still being heavily played in Modern, and much more sought after than they are now. Wasteland, Karakas, and Rishadan Port are notable by their absence.

I guess the set should be easier to get now.

[Aggro_zombies]

Maybe they made this list while Vesuva and Grove of the Burnwillows were still being heavily played in Modern, and much more sought after than they are now. Wasteland, Karakas, and Rishadan Port are notable by their absence.

I guess the set should be easier to get now.
Easier to get relative to having five hundred gajillion dollars worth of cards in it, yes, but it'll still be hard to find because the foil Urborg, High Market, and Maze of Ith will be coveted by quite a few EDH players. I myself am considering trading for the Dryad Arbors and Cephalid Coliseums.

[Rizso]

There's no way they'd put an expensive, hard-to-find, currently-played card in a set like this. All the people who bought it at inflated prices would lose their shit.


As long as its a legacy staple it will not go down, as legacy is a format where people like to get pimped out cards that means geting blackborded, foiled, none-enlight or orginal editions. Meaning english legends karakas would not go down in price. Its not like FTW will flood the market. Its a very limited print.

Anyway Maze of ith, ancient tomb, urborg, Glacial Chasm, Dryad Arbor, Burn Willows and high market are all awesome to get in the product.

[Purgatory]

Comparing it to FtV: Legends we're looking at From the Vault: Freaking Amazing, and in a vacuum it's still a solid list. Nevermind about Desert and Shivan Gorge, the rest seem pretty sweet.

[TarmoX]

I was looking for the new picture of Dryad Arbor and is cooooool!
I was looking for the price of Dryad Arbor and 12€ is a robbery :eek:
Price will go down after the release?

[ivanpei]

I was looking for the new picture of Dryad Arbor and is cooooool!
I was looking for the price of Dryad Arbor and 12€ is a robbery :eek:
Price will go down after the release?

Will definitely drop, as people will be cracking these primarily for the Maze. The other stuff will tank a fair bit. Then eventually recover ala FTV Top etc.

[xfxf]

I wish there was a way they could print these new promo style sets with non-foil cards. I'm a sucker for some of the new arts (despite the new border) but for the life of me can't put a foil card in my deck.

[Aggro_zombies]

As long as its a legacy staple it will not go down, as legacy is a format where people like to get pimped out cards that means geting blackborded, foiled, none-enlight or orginal editions. Meaning english legends karakas would not go down in price. Its not like FTW will flood the market. Its a very limited print.
It's worth noting that MaRo just addressed this on his tumblr (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/30112116966/why-wasnt-karakas-included-in-from-the-vault-realms), mentioning "factors [he] can't talk about," which brings to mind the rumored lawsuit collectors threatened if the Reserved List were removed. Presumably, this fear now extends to expensive, non-Reserved cards, which makes me think we're unlikely to see mass releases of cards like Mana Drain or Force or other costly staples of the Eternal formats.

[Kuma]

I think it's far more likely that Karakas is going to be a judge foil, or something.

[dahcmai]

Well, I already asked and even my store is going to have to go with the flow and have them up to $120 or so. This one is going to be a high demand one. If you get desperate or feel it's going even higher, I can probably get you one. We get a lot here, but I think they will go fast. There's a ton of pre-orders even at that price. I kind of hate these in a way, but at least it's a huge boost to the stores.

[Malchar]

It's worth noting that MaRo just addressed this on his tumblr (http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/30112116966/why-wasnt-karakas-included-in-from-the-vault-realms), mentioning "factors [he] can't talk about," which brings to mind the rumored lawsuit collectors threatened if the Reserved List were removed. Presumably, this fear now extends to expensive, non-Reserved cards, which makes me think we're unlikely to see mass releases of cards like Mana Drain or Force or other costly staples of the Eternal formats.

FTV Realms is selling like hotcakes for way above the MSRP. They don't need to, nor should they, put in cards that make FTV worth way more than the MSRP. It makes much more economic sense to parcel out the good stuff over multiple different FTV or other similar product releases. They've been doing a surprisingly good job with these kinds of products. If they start giving out every chase single from eternal formats, they're liable to go out of business or at least cause severe damage to their vendors. Besides, Wizards hardly gets any money from people playing eternal formats. We're lucky that they're reprinting anything at all.