View Full Version : Could Wizards print a hate dork to reign in cantrip effects?
FieryBalrog
07-14-2012, 04:54 AM
such as.
Nalia, Guardian of Nraben
W
Legendary creature - Human
Instants and Sorceries cost (1) more to play.
1/2
would be pretty good on the play?
Or a little less spectacular:
Don't Draw Something
W
Creature - Ouphe
Players can't draw cards except for the first card drawn each drawstep.
1/2
Ideally one mana unlike existing hate dorks?
Edit: Title should read "rein in" not "reign in" =/
Vicar in a tutu
07-14-2012, 05:42 AM
Keeper of the Chains, BB, legendary human wizard, 2/1, (Chains of Mephistopheles on a stick)
Lejay
07-14-2012, 07:23 AM
Seriously go to hell guys. Thalia shouldn't even exist.
What about :
Remove stupid things
B
Enchantment
Creatures get -2/-2
Birkardo
07-14-2012, 07:39 AM
Remove stupid things
B
Enchantment
Creatures get -2/-2
Storm Player?
Barook
07-14-2012, 08:36 AM
I seriously doubt that Wizard could print hate bears that are powerful enough to efficiently hate out cantrip-based strategies.
"Threats" (cantrips) > answers
I would love to a dude-based Chains or Pyrostatic Pillar variants, though.
Edit: Why not something like this:
Dude :w::w:
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric
Instants and sorceries without at least one target can't be played.
Non-land activated abilities without at least one target can't be played.
2/2
socialite
07-14-2012, 08:52 AM
Hate bears are straight lazy design, utterly lame from an interaction standpoint, narrow in execution, and thoroughly boring to play against. On top of the previously listed gripes the majority of hate bears do not even function on a high enough level to actually cause a significant impact on any game state. I would argue the only thing needed to keep the cycle of life in check is to make sure dedicated control is consistently a viable option in any given metagame - we do not need more hate bears.
Seriously go to hell guys. Thalia shouldn't even exist.
Thalia isn’t a hate bear; she is a resistor effect of which has been around forever and has proven itself to work against a variety of strategies. The body is what makes it viable in Legacy over something like Sphere of Resistance which is not played.
Humphrey
07-15-2012, 12:58 AM
such as.
Don't Draw Something
W
Creature - Ouphe
Players can't draw cards except for the first card drawn each drawstep.
1/2
/
I want that effect in Red
So
1R
Goblin
Players can't draw cards except for the first card drawn each drawstep.
Haste
2/2
lavafrogg
07-15-2012, 01:39 AM
I'm not sure why you guys want more powerful hatebears in addition to what we have now. Control and combo decks already have to pay more mana for their spells, Thalia, can't play their bombs, Teeg, can't utilize their graveyards, Grunt/Ooze/Wretch among all of the other bears thy can be seen in the format.
Pushing hate bears to 1cc would push combo/control/tempo decks out of the format due to the massive slowing that the format would undertake. It would be like mental misstep all over again, decks with tons of creatures(maverick/zoo) would play the new bear and other decks would play tons of removal/sweepers to kill the creature decks that pop up. Combo would be gone due to its inability to beat aggro or control on a regular basis.
Nihil Credo
07-15-2012, 01:40 AM
We have a shitty card creation thread in Community already.
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