phage and jeska

[xieyun006]

it so happens that it is only at school that i have time to research magic, and at school my internet access is fairly limited and i'm not able to look up alot of my questions, so with that said:

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.” If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.

being that phage and jeska were the same character in the story would the name change be enough to bypass the legend rule? mostly likely yes, i think, but i'm just curious.

and also can you stifle phage's first ability - "WHEN Phage the Untouchable comes into play, if you didn't play it from your hand, you lose the game."?

thanks for any response

[xeraseth]

Yes Phage and Jeska have different names so they can be on the battlefield at the same time. The two permanents must have the EXACT same name. So both Akroma, Angel of Wrath and Akroma, Angel of Fury can be on the battlefield at the same time

Yes you can Stifle Phage's etb ability since if something says 'When' it is a triggered ability

[xieyun006]

but then what about jace the mindsculpter and jace beleren? they don't share the exact name, just the first name, and then different titles, and ppl use beleren just to get rid of mindsculpter! jeska and phage i can understand, was just curious about the technicality, but i don't agree with you explanation of akroma. any one else have an opinion?

[heroicraptor]

There is a "planeswalker uniqueness rule" that applies to Planeswalkers with the same subtype. It functions similarly to the legendary rule.

306.4. If two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards as a state-based action. This is called the "planeswalker uniqueness rule."

[Kich867]

but then what about jace the mindsculpter and jace beleren? they don't share the exact name, just the first name, and then different titles, and ppl use beleren just to get rid of mindsculpter! jeska and phage i can understand, was just curious about the technicality, but i don't agree with you explanation of akroma. any one else have an opinion?

His explanation makes perfect sense. Note that the story of magic has virtually no impact on the game and is largely irrelevant.

Akroma, Angel of Wrath and Akroma, Angel of Fury because they are in a very literal way 2 different cards with 2 different names.

Planeswalkers have subtypes, all "Jace" planeswalkers share a "Jace" type and as such you cannot have more than one "Jace" planeswalker on the field. It actually has no concern for the name of Jace, just that the planeswalker is a Subtype jace.

For instance, theoretically if there was an "Akroma, Angel of Jace" planeswalker with a subtype Jace, she couldn't be on the field with Jace Beleren because they share a Subtype, despite not sharing any portion of each others names.

[xieyun006]

ohhhhhhhhhhh ok, i can accept that answer, i never noticed the 'planeswalker-jace' sub-type before now. good stuff guys. and i figured the story has nothing to do with the game, i just get curious about little random things as such. thank you all question answered.

[Goin Aggro]

If you want the otherwise worthless flavorwise explaination (AFAIK).

When you play a legendary card, you are summoning a permanent from a specific, discrete point or period of time in magic's history. So while you cannot have two instances of a specific creature from the same point in time (Two Akroma, Angel of Wraths on the battlefield), it's not quite as paradoxical (and therefore, legal, according to game rules) to have a two versions of the same permanent at different points in that permanent's story/timeline. (Ex. Kamahl, Fist of Krosa, and Kamahl, Pit Fighter)

Flavorwise, if you play a planeswalker, you are actively calling that planeswalker to assist you. (In real time) Therefore, there can only be one of any specific type of planeswalker, as it wouldn't make sense for two Chandras to be on the field in different forms, as there is only one chandra in the multiverse.

[Technics]

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Well put good Sir.

[xieyun006]

Re: phage and jeska
If you want the otherwise worthless flavorwise explaination (AFAIK).

When you play a legendary card, you are summoning a permanent from a specific, discrete point or period of time in magic's history. So while you cannot have two instances of a specific creature from the same point in time (Two Akroma, Angel of Wraths on the battlefield), it's not quite as paradoxical (and therefore, legal, according to game rules) to have a two versions of the same permanent at different points in that permanent's story/timeline. (Ex. Kamahl, Fist of Krosa, and Kamahl, Pit Fighter)

Flavorwise, if you play a planeswalker, you are actively calling that planeswalker to assist you. (In real time) Therefore, there can only be one of any specific type of planeswalker, as it wouldn't make sense for two Chandras to be on the field in different forms, as there is only one chandra in the multiverse.


BRAVO i agree that the answer is quite useless from a legalilty stand point, it is still quite amazing that you went that far indepth with it. know that i will totally plagerize that answer should one of my friends ever bring up the legitimacy of the legendary rule and planes walker loop hole.