Getting A Grip On Legacy

[baghdadbob]

I don't know about you guys but it seems that the return of Krosan Grip is eminent with the current meta. We are talking omniscience, batterskull, sword of..., jitte, the resurgence of counterbalance, etc. I don't wanna be that older guy in magic that tells people about good old fashioned all purpose solutions but... if you are playing green play some friggin grips in your side board ok? Thanks.

[John Cox]

Pretty much all of that except for omniscience can be handled with abrupt decay, which will soon be available, and kills other things like creatures.

[baghdadbob]

I see your point. However omniscience is one of the most played decks now after the championship win on mtg online.

[Shawon]

How does Krosan Grip do anything to Omniscience if the SnT player doesn't pass priority until he hardcasts Emrakul?

[Tammit67]

How does Krosan Grip do anything to Omniscience if the SnT player doesn't pass priority until he hardcasts Emrakul?

Let's karakas be live.

(Yes that is optimistic)

[Goaswerfraiejen]

Pretty much all of that except for omniscience can be handled with abrupt decay, which will soon be available, and kills other things like creatures.


Wait, what? How? Omniscience costs more than three mana...

[Shawn]

"all of that except for Omniscience"

[Chikenbok]

What is this thread about?

[Goaswerfraiejen]

"all of that except for Omniscience"

Ah, yes. I read what came after as an ungrammatical construction, hence the mixup. Thanks, and my apologies!

[Esper3k]

How does Krosan Grip do anything to Omniscience if the SnT player doesn't pass priority until he hardcasts Emrakul?

Well if he has to tutor for Emrakul you have a chance, but I'd generally agree that Grip isn't ideal against Omniscience.

[catmint]

I agree. Altough occasionally good against Omniscience - this deck is beat in a different way and for everything supporting GB, Kroan Grip will become unplayable due to abrupt decay and also pernicious deed serves well in killing stuff.

Evaluating a card like Krosan Grip as a sideboard card for decks with access to green but not black cannot be done in such a general way. It very much depends on the deck itself.

RUG:
-> off curve and plenty of preemtive answers to counterbalance. Red-blasts serves well against blue enchantments.
-> ancient grudge as a better option against artifacts.

Maverick:
-> GSZ + Pridemage are very good vs. counterbalance decks

[damionblackgear]

I don't know about you guys but it seems that the return of Krosan Grip is eminent with the current meta. We are talking omniscience, batterskull, sword of..., jitte, the resurgence of counterbalance, etc. I don't wanna be that older guy in magic that tells people about good old fashioned all purpose solutions but... if you are playing green play some friggin grips in your side board ok? Thanks.

I'd agree with you if people typically had the mana up to grip when SnT was played. It's probably better to use something like O' Ring if you've got the white and are looking for a board slot. Discard, or hand disruption in general, has shown to be extremely powerful vs Show and Tell deck, regardless of variant. Just realize how much time you have vs each variant.

Equipment shouldn't be an end all. If you can't beat them with your 75, you should probably be looking to adapt to where the format has been and realize that you're a little late to the equipment party (started in Scars).

The only real reason I see to play Grip right now is as an answer to Counterbalance+Top. Unfortunately, that "combo" gets much worse when your opponent isn't playing Canadian Thresh (Rug Delver for you new people) or people start adapting Abrupt Decay into their 75.

[xeraseth]

How does Krosan Grip do anything to Omniscience if the SnT player doesn't pass priority until he hardcasts Emrakul?
It doesn't, but for that to happen they have to have the Emmy in hand. Any sort of tutoring they have to pass priority.

[cuthbertthecat]

How does Krosan Grip do anything to Omniscience if the SnT player doesn't pass priority until he hardcasts Emrakul?

If they're going for the petals of insight you can grip omniscience in response to it I guess. Doesn't seem likely, but it is a way.

[Shawon]

Why deal with the 'maybes' when you just SnT your Oblivion Ring for certainty?

[Esper3k]

Odds are they're more likely to have Burning Wish / Griselbrand in their hand than Emrakul so it's not a terrible plan.

[Nihil Credo]

Odds are they're more likely to have Burning Wish / Griselbrand in their hand than Emrakul so it's not a terrible plan.The problem with the plan is keeping 2G open. Some decks will have dumped their threats already and be fine, some decks will have stuff to do at EOT and be fine, many more will find it rather awkward.

[Phoenix Ignition]

K Grip is quite good against the Miracle decks as well. It might win a game or two against the new Omniscience decks, but hitting top or whatever stoneforge grabs is really good in that matchup (and not worrying about FoW, etc.).

[Esper3k]

The problem with the plan is keeping 2G open. Some decks will have dumped their threats already and be fine, some decks will have stuff to do at EOT and be fine, many more will find it rather awkward.

Yeah I don't think Grip is a good plan A, but more like one of those plans for back up to seal the deal (ie, not immediately die to Omniscience + Burning Wish) once you've played out your disruption/threats.

[lavafrogg]

Grip can kill a number of cards that , if they are relevant in your meta, must be killed. Batterskull, jitte, counterbalance, top...oh wait, all of those cards are in the same deck....maybe you should just play more miracle/stoneblade hate?

Troll aside, I love krosan grip in my 75 as an answer to the one humility player that is in every room, as well as a way to for sure kill counterbalance. With abrupt decay coming out you might not have a real reason to play the grip unless mono white is everywhere and humilities are running rampant.

It is a sad day when krosan grip is moving to the back of the bus.