View Full Version : If Legacy dies, Im going to..
Humphrey
10-09-2012, 07:50 AM
please vote
Squirrel
10-09-2012, 08:05 AM
The question is, at the time legacy dies, how good is modern? At the moment itscCasual combos and not that skillintensive or even fun for me.. but the Cardpool will get bigger and bigger.
Nevertheless cube seems like the perfect idea.
theillest
10-09-2012, 08:11 AM
The sky is falling... time to sell all my cards!
publius_aelius
10-09-2012, 08:15 AM
...cast reanimate.
Setherial
10-09-2012, 08:16 AM
play Cube and Commander ofcourse an non of the listed formats.
lol@publius_aelius
Chubu!
10-09-2012, 08:22 AM
Truth be told, I haven't played Legacy in a couple of years now. Strictly Cube, and loving it.
Vacrix
10-09-2012, 08:45 AM
Lol just because Legacy dies doesn't mean you have to stop playing Legacy.
Hardcore
10-09-2012, 08:50 AM
My bet is that it will be back to drama school for Humphrey.
raudo
10-09-2012, 10:01 AM
Keep cards and continue to play with friends.
Esper3k
10-09-2012, 10:06 AM
... punch a baby.
klaus
10-09-2012, 10:25 AM
punch 1 baby for every card I own.
Phoenix Ignition
10-09-2012, 10:29 AM
This poll is pretty bad, it assumes ahead of time that you don't already play other formats.
I'm not going to "switch to" anything, I'm going to continue playing the other formats that I already play.
alekill
10-09-2012, 10:55 AM
This poll is pretty bad, it assumes ahead of time that you don't already play other formats.
I'm not going to "switch to" anything, I'm going to continue playing the other formats that I already play.
There are other formats?
Richard Cheese
10-09-2012, 10:56 AM
I'd only do something different if our local scene died out. I'd probably just play release events and sell off some of my higher-value stuff that isn't on the reserve list.
emidln
10-09-2012, 10:57 AM
I'll likely continue playing using an open source program. It's infinitely more convenient, and I like the UI better for things like cockatrice (helps that I can sling Qt and mod the interface to taste).
danyul
10-09-2012, 10:57 AM
I still have all my VS System cards.
What does that tell you?
emidln
10-09-2012, 11:01 AM
I still have all my VS System cards.
What does that tell you?
That you make poor decisions and like crappy games. j/k.
danyul
10-09-2012, 11:02 AM
+1
I should cut my losses now and not mention all the other dumb shit I have.
sdematt
10-09-2012, 11:12 AM
Keep buying Beta duals and build a house out of them, since I could sell all my Legacy stuff.
But in all seriousness, it won't, since I'll just play it forever.
-Matt
...put less than or equal to four zombie tokens into play.
TeenieBopper
10-09-2012, 11:20 AM
You forgot "Rejoice the death of the format that killed the best competitive Magic format ever."
Jenni
10-09-2012, 11:29 AM
Probably continue playing legacy as a casual format, while I continue to work on buying into vintage.
Also, Cube draft looks fun, and can make use of a lot of my favourite cards, even ones that I can't use in legacy.
If modern has gotten better I might play there, but as it is I'm not fond of it.
I will probably continue to hop in and out of standard. (I usually play standard for a few months every couple years, lol)
Deviruchi
10-09-2012, 11:31 AM
I would probably keep all cards and stop playing magic. Maybe sometimes I would go to the prerelease tournament or draft because of friends and nostalgia? I would also keep playing Legacy on Cockatrice with some other old mages.
"I'm going to.."
Sell everything but my Vintage essentials (which is pretty much everything?) and pick up Modern for a bit, until I get bored with it.
Tammit67
10-09-2012, 12:16 PM
I still have all my VS System cards.
What does that tell you?
They make wonderful proxies. Just flip them over and write on them!!
lordofthepit
10-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Sell 3/4 to 4/5 of my cards, play a wicked Cube for the rest of mydays. :smile:
Aggro_zombies
10-09-2012, 01:58 PM
What's with all the sudden existential hand wringing about the format?
Anyway, I'm going to keep doing what I'm already doing: playing Limited and EDH almost exclusively.
Snap_Keep
10-09-2012, 02:05 PM
You forgot "Rejoice the death of the format that killed the best competitive Magic format ever."
What in the world are you talking about?
walker
10-09-2012, 02:18 PM
This is so stupid. Instead of creating threads like this why don't you go find a nice spikey cactus and give it a big hug?
John Cox
10-09-2012, 02:24 PM
I play vintage and will do so even if legacy "dies" and I'll play legacy if legacy "dies".
funyun45
10-09-2012, 03:02 PM
Why isn't there a "Hunker down in my small play group and continue to play Legacy" option?
ThomasDowd
10-09-2012, 03:29 PM
quit magic for good for good. sell my cards. use that to pay my rent for 4-5 months and probably get back involved with mathematics heavily.
Oiolosse
10-09-2012, 03:37 PM
Without reading anything I just have to say that legacy is a format we play and it can be played anywhere and without any particular oversight. Just get enough people together wanting to play legacy, N; collect an entry fee, Y dollars; hire 2 sanctioned judges, X dollars; and payout to top eight, N*Y - 2*X dollars. BAM. Legacy event made possible.
mini1337s
10-09-2012, 03:41 PM
Missing the poll option where I continue to play legacy anyways.
Humphrey
10-09-2012, 04:13 PM
Missing the poll option where I continue to play legacy anyways.
Well, when Legacy died nobody will be there to play with, because cards are probably to expensive or hard to get.
Well, when Legacy died nobody will be there to play with, because cards are probably to expensive or hard to get.
Let's do a thought experiment.
Suppose Legacy breaks the affordability threshold and it starts to atrophy. For the sake of this argument, let's say it's $100. A top-tier Legacy decks costs $100 now, which is more than is reasonable to be able to afford. No new players join the format as a result. Over time, people naturally quit for a variety of reasons, and now sell those cards. If the phenomenon occurs frequently enough, then the market place will become flooded with copies of the deck being sold at a discount. Now the same deck will cost $95. This drops below the threshold and new blood enters.
And so, the very nature of rising prices and limited access to new players is self-correcting. Legacy will remain in an equilibrium that balances between Affordability and Recruitment. The two are inversely related.
Michael Keller
10-09-2012, 04:50 PM
If Legacy died, I would stop playing Magic.
If it were altered or overhauled (like the old "1.5"), I would have to think about it.
John Cox
10-09-2012, 04:50 PM
Let's do a thought experiment.
Suppose Legacy breaks the affordability threshold and it starts to atrophy. For the sake of this argument, let's say it's $100. A top-tier Legacy decks costs $100 now, which is more than is reasonable to be able to afford. No new players join the format as a result. Over time, people naturally quit for a variety of reasons, and now sell those cards. If the phenomenon occurs frequently enough, then the market place will become flooded with copies of the deck being sold at a discount. Now the same deck will cost $95. This drops below the threshold and new blood enters.
And so, the very nature of rising prices and limited access to new players is self-correcting. Legacy will remain in an equilibrium that balances between Affordability and Recruitment. The two are inversely related.
What if someone ruins all the legacy playable staples with pony alters and no one wants to play because the decks look junky.
What if someone ruins all the legacy playable staples with pony alters and no one wants to play because the decks look junky.
G-d will send an army of Viking Space Robots with a particular appetite for Pony meat to devour all things Pony. But only if you believe in Angels.
John Cox
10-09-2012, 05:10 PM
G-d will send an army of Viking Space Robots with a particular appetite for Pony meat to devour all things Pony. But only if you believe in Angels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0 ?
TeenieBopper
10-09-2012, 05:34 PM
What in the world are you talking about?
The day the music died. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U)
Let's do a thought experiment.
Suppose Legacy breaks the affordability threshold and it starts to atrophy. For the sake of this argument, let's say it's $100. A top-tier Legacy decks costs $100 now, which is more than is reasonable to be able to afford. No new players join the format as a result. Over time, people naturally quit for a variety of reasons, and now sell those cards. If the phenomenon occurs frequently enough, then the market place will become flooded with copies of the deck being sold at a discount. Now the same deck will cost $95. This drops below the threshold and new blood enters.
And so, the very nature of rising prices and limited access to new players is self-correcting. Legacy will remain in an equilibrium that balances between Affordability and Recruitment. The two are inversely related.
How's that working for Vintage?
How's that working for Vintage?
Vintage is... unique. The cards are more collectible and worth MORE as collections rather than play things. Can't really say that to Revised duals -- Reserve List maybe.
...continue playing legacy.. because Ill still have my cards and playgroup? I feel like these threads are almost entirely started by people who want to play legacy, but dont want to invest money into the staples.
FieryBalrog
10-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Where's "play EDH"?
The options in the poll are limited and so are you. Also, I was surprised not to see one of your "Ban Brainstorm" outcries in the startpost.
Aggro_zombies
10-10-2012, 10:59 AM
The options in the poll are limited and so are you. Also, I was surprised not to see one of your "Ban Brainstorm" outcries in the startpost.
"If Legacy dies, I'm going to Ban Brainstorm" doesn't make a whole lot of sense, though.
"If Legacy dies, I'm going to Ban Brainstorm" doesn't make a whole lot of sense, though.
Not sure if serious...
Humphrey
10-10-2012, 01:31 PM
Well actually some people argue that if brainstorm becomes banned, legacy will die.
Its true, that I dont think so.
Ozymandias
10-10-2012, 01:37 PM
Where's "Pick up my Standstills and go play Vintage?"
...continue playing legacy.. because Ill still have my cards and playgroup? I feel like these threads are almost entirely started by people who want to play legacy, but dont want to invest money into the staples.
What if? I don't see why this is a problem. A lot of people started with legacy for this same reason, and due to the fact that today staples were way cheaper back in the start of the format. It's not like $ is not a reasonable argument to keep a hobby or not.
If these were pro players talking, than this would be another subject.
Malchar
10-10-2012, 10:03 PM
What about vintage, cube, or edh? I'd definitely consider these before any of the other options on the poll.
Awaclus
10-11-2012, 09:35 AM
...play casual and Limited. I started playing Legacy because it was the format all of my friends played back then, and I keep playing Legacy because it's the only format in addition to draft that I am currently familiar with, not because I think it's the best format there is. These days, I'm too lazy to pick up new formats, so if Legacy dies, I'm not going to have a replacement.
mishima_kazuya
10-11-2012, 11:49 AM
I stopped playing FNM and most paper magic due to a lack of time from School and work.
As a result the one of the only Magic related things I do nowadays is grind MTGO since it fits my schedule better to just hop into a Daily Event(it lets me help the locals testing for PTQS, GPs, etc by letting me contribute with my experience of playing against MTGO ringers)
Since Legacy is not as cut-throat as trying to win a PTQ or top 4 a GP, its the only paper format I play on a semi-regularly on weekends since I can afford to do little testing due to the low-level competition. I also cube draft with the locals in Philadelphia when I get a chance so add that to the paper formats I play.
So if Legacy "died" I'd still hold onto my cards and keeping grinding MTGO and do cube drafts.
Vintage is... unique. The cards are more collectible and worth MORE as collections rather than play things. Can't really say that to Revised duals -- Reserve List maybe.
How do you explain the current pricetag of Cursed Scroll (10 us$ on scg, 8 € on Nedermagic) or Masticore (32 $/ 22 €)? Those cards haven't seen competitive play since Justin Bieber got weened from his mother's teet. People are very hesitant to sell cards at a significantly lower price than which they bought them for. It's a well known phaenomenon. Same reason why so many unemployed people won't accept a new job with a significantly lower salary. The vast majority of owners will prefer to keep their Underground Seas, Tundras, Force of Wills,... rather than dump them at discount prices, because 'you never know when they will go up again'. Prices may freeze, they may slowly drop, but they will NEVER plummet.
socialite
10-11-2012, 01:14 PM
Vintage.
How do you explain the current pricetag of Cursed Scroll (10 us$ on scg, 8 € on Nedermagic) or Masticore (32 $/ 22 €)? Those cards haven't seen competitive play since Justin Bieber got weened from his mother's teet. People are very hesitant to sell cards at a significantly lower price than which they bought them for. It's a well known phaenomenon. Same reason why so many unemployed people won't accept a new job with a significantly lower salary. The vast majority of owners will prefer to keep their Underground Seas, Tundras, Force of Wills,... rather than dump them at discount prices, because 'you never know when they will go up again'. Prices may freeze, they may slowly drop, but they will NEVER plummet.
This. This is the truth, and unfortunately legacy is going the way of Vintage. I wonder if there's a ceiling where the prices won't rise no more, but so far, nope, things just rise rise and rise.
How do you explain the current pricetag of Cursed Scroll (10 us$ on scg, 8 € on Nedermagic) or Masticore (32 $/ 22 €)?
You mess up on something, Masticore isn't worth more than 2-3 Euro.
You mess up on something, Masticore isn't worth more than 2-3 Euro.
Indeed I did, apparantly. I misread, a rather clumsy thing to do. The Cursed Scroll example still stands though. Survival of the Fittest is a more fitting example. Only legal in Vintage, where it isn't exactly an all star card, and zero chance of ever becoming unbanned in legacy. But still worth 20. People just won't dump it for much lower.
How do you explain the current pricetag of Cursed Scroll (10 us$ on scg, 8 € on Nedermagic) or Masticore (32 $/ 22 €)? Those cards haven't seen competitive play since Justin Bieber got weened from his mother's teet. People are very hesitant to sell cards at a significantly lower price than which they bought them for. It's a well known phaenomenon. Same reason why so many unemployed people won't accept a new job with a significantly lower salary. The vast majority of owners will prefer to keep their Underground Seas, Tundras, Force of Wills,... rather than dump them at discount prices, because 'you never know when they will go up again'. Prices may freeze, they may slowly drop, but they will NEVER plummet.
Vintage is literally:
Legacy + 15 cards that are worth >$100.
Those 15 cards are also on the Reserve List, and have a huge sentimental/collectible value. Demand for tournaments is not propping these cards' values whatsoever.
EDIT - Survival of the Fittest is legal in EDH too, which last I checked has a huge influence on prices. Much more than Legacy.
lyracian
10-11-2012, 02:20 PM
play Cube and Commander ofcourse an non of the listed formats.
Snap.
The question is, at the time legacy dies, how good is modern? At the moment itscCasual combos and not that skillintensive or even fun for me.. but the Cardpool will get bigger and bigger.
Nevertheless cube seems like the perfect idea.
While modern does get rid of some of the stupid cards it misses out on the core of classic MTG for me (Counterspell, Swords, Dark Ritual, Mishra's Factory, and [insert favourite card here]) and why would I ever want to play with Shock-Lands?
Vintage is literally:
Legacy + 15 cards that are worth >$100.
Those 15 cards are also on the Reserve List, and have a huge sentimental/collectible value. Demand for tournaments is not propping these cards' values whatsoever.
EDIT - Survival of the Fittest is legal in EDH too, which last I checked has a huge influence on prices. Much more than Legacy.
As a one of. Tens of thousands of people sit on playsets of that card.
Also, for a lot of people, owning playsets of their duals has a social meaning, it makes them appear as 'serious players'. Duals, especially playsets of them, are collectibles too. I'm not saying you're wrong about vintage, on the contrary. Its principles apply to legacy as well. As soon as people put a significant amount of money in a piece of cardboard, it becomes an investment to them. People don't like to lose on their investments.
Be honest with yourself, if you'd be sitting on an extra Underground Sea, and prices were to drop enormously, would you sell it for 30 dollars, after having paid 90 for it a few years earlier? 90% of players, and probably you as well, would rather have an Underground Sea than a fraction of its purchase price and no Underground Sea.
Well considering Legacy is by far my favorite format... I would highly displeased and saddened. With that said (typed I suppose would be better in this case), I would continue to play it at any reasonable opportunity and play mostly EDH, Cube and any other casual format and probably play a lot more Ascension for that matter. I would slide into Modern with regret that Legacy would be dead, but then finishing up the foils sets in legacy would be easier (more than likely). The only reason why I even play Standard now is because most people around here play it more than any other format, though Legacy is starting to pick up in popularity here (I get annoyed and don't play in the tourneys as much anymore locally speaking because currently, and for the last few months since it started, you are literally able to proxy your entire deck. I refuse to proxy cards and I like to play foils (don't like foreign). There hasn't even really been talk about decreasing the number of proxies which is why I'm not playing in them every week now. Theory being that he'll continue to drum up interest in the format when you can proxy everything. However there is no incentive to go and get the cards.)
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