Modern Masters

[mcfarland]

Today Aaron Forsythe was on the ProTour webcast and announced "Modern Masters," scheduled to be released in June 2013. Apparently, it's a limited-run, draftable reprint set that features exclusively Modern-playables.

229 card set, 53 rares, 15 mythics. Comes in 24-pack booster boxes, MSRP $6.99/pack. Each pack comes with a foil, no basic lands. Goyf is confirmed at Mythic.

With all of the recent discussion about Wizard's support of Legacy v. Modern, I find this pretty interesting.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Today, Aaron Forsythe was on the ProTour webcast and announced "Modern Masters," scheduled to be released in June 2013. Apparently, it's a draftable reprint set that features exclusively Modern-playables.

229 card set, 53 rares, 15 mythics. Comes in 24-pack booster boxes, MSRP $6.99/pack. Each pack comes with a foil, no basic lands.

Tarmogoyf is confirmed at Mythic.
This is good news for legacy as well. Cheaper Tarmogoyfs, Thoughtseizes, Confidants, Cliques, etc.

[death]

This is good news for legacy as well. Cheaper Tarmogoyfs, Thoughtseizes, Confidants, Cliques, etc.

Yay more Russian, Korean for you and for me. I'm guessing still no Jace, tMS since he's banned in Modern.

[mini1337s]

Yay more Russian, Korean for you and for me. I'm guessing still no Jace, tMS since he's banned in Modern.
Yes, they confirmed nothing on the modern banned list will be included.

[Barook]

Yay more Russian, Korean for you and for me. I'm guessing still no Jace, tMS since he's banned in Modern.
It's English-only. Don't expect great price drops on foreign "pimp" cards.

[Fizzeler]

The only downside I see to this product is yeah the English only part of it I want my Russian Vendilion Cliques! :wink:

This is going to be tailored towards Modern, but there is likely to be some good Legacy Staples reprinted in this set as well (Tarmogoyf obviously one of the biggest ones being reprinted)

I expect to see Thoughtseize as well

[joemauer]

So these cards will not be Standard legal right?

I don't think Wizards has done anything similar to this since Chronicles. Hopefully this will be better executed than Chronicles.

Do we know if there will be updated artwork? Tarmogoyf's current artwork reminds of something that gets flushed down the toilet after I have eaten too many Big Macs and Spearmint flavored snow-balls.

[Mr. Safety]

Definately going to see Dark Confidant, which is fantastic because i need a set, and getting one for a little cheaper, however much that is, makes me happy. Oh, I'll be playing it in legacy though (sorry WotC!)

[mcfarland]

So these cards will not be Standard legal right?

I don't think Wizards has done anything similar to this since Chronicles. Hopefully this will be better executed than Chronicles.

Do we know if there will be updated artwork? Tarmogoyf's current artwork reminds of something that gets flushed down the toilet after I have eaten too many Big Macs and Spearmint flavored snow-balls.

I remember how angry most of the guys at my local card shop got after Chronicles came out. I thought it was great, though. :)

They're not going to be Standard legal, and the Goyf art can be found here: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29449887/Modern_Masters?pg=last

[bartmanqc]

What are the implications of this set (and the way Wizards push Modern as their eternal format) on the viability of Legacy? Any chances that SCG will run Modern on Sunday instead of Legacy? Do you consider selling some legacy staples ? Am I the only one getting nervous about the value of my legacy collection?

[John Cox]

I was going to buy some goyfs, guess I'll wait until this happens.

[Lord Seth]

Today Aaron Forsythe was on the ProTour webcast and announced "Modern Masters," scheduled to be released in June 2013. Apparently, it's a limited-run, draftable reprint set that features exclusively Modern-playables.Hrm...how "limited" a run could we be talking? Because that really makes a big difference. Could this possibly be used for, say, FNM?
Definately going to see Dark Confidant, which is fantastic because i need a set, and getting one for a little cheaper, however much that is, makes me happy. Oh, I'll be playing it in legacy though (sorry WotC!)I don't think it's a definitely. I agree we will see a Dark Confidant in some set in 2014, but I will not rule out him appearing in one of the Return to Ravnica sets.

Not a big fan of Tarmogoyf's new art. I wasn't that big on the old art but it had a certain charm to it, whereas this one...meh.

[xfxf]

I wonder how this announcement will affect the prices of Legacy playable staples like Thoughtseize, Goyf... After so many years of reprints speculation we'll see the true effect of a major reprint on multi format money cards.

[alderon666]

Well, I guess we can't complain anymore about them not keeping their promise of reprinting Modern staples. They made a freaking set just for it.

I really hope they reprint a bunch of juicy expensive cards and reprint cheaper stuff with different art. That's what I wanna see from that set.

And also hope it's a higher print than the other limited products they release. F*ck the collectors, we wanna play the game!

[UnsungHero]

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r542/Pomegrant/tarmogoyf.png

Eat that deer Goyf!
Goyf looks so weird without the Future Sight Frame.

I also wonder, since there will be more modern staples that are also legacy playable, will that drive the Legacy-exclusive staples up even more?

[lordofthepit]

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r542/Pomegrant/tarmogoyf.png

Eat that deer Goyf!
Goyf looks so weird without the Future Sight Frame.

I also wonder, since there will be more modern staples that are also legacy playable, will that drive the Legacy-exclusive staples up even more?

Likely.

Depending on the contents of this set, I might actually consider drafting it (something I've never done with anything but Cube).

[Einherjer]

Hey I start liking Modern. They start reprinting alot of Legacystaples too, which might make it easier for others to step into our format. Well, not too bad Wizards. Sadly that wasn't your first intention, but I am happy either way, as long as it does help Legacy.

Buh..that Goyfs looks way worse than mine do.

Greetings

[phonics]

I wonder how the ev is going to work for this item, I'm guessing that the mythics will be the $30+ cards but even then having a set of only staples seems like it would be insane value. Maybe I'm just blanking but most modern staple rares alone would recoup the cost of a pack, then you get things like path to exile, remand and spell snare. It seems like even if reprinting halved prices across the board it would still be a good buy.

[Koby]

meh, I'll buy the singles when they're finally cheaper again.

[Jamaican Zombie Legend]

Goyf is a mythic in $7 packs. Wow...great job Wizards...NOT!

This is almost as poorly conceived a product as the incredibly expensive, limited-print Commander's Arsenal. Wizards is really striking out lately.

[clavio]

That art seems like it would be more fitting on something that costs 4GG

[Nihil Credo]

That art seems like it would be more fitting on something that costs 4GG
Yeah! I mean, looking at it you'd expect that thing to be something like a 5/6, not a two-drop at all.

[DrHealex]

Yeah! I mean, looking at it you'd expect that thing to be something like a 5/6, not a two-drop at all.

That was my exact thoughts on the art. While it IS some nice art, it doesn't seem appropriate to the card.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

That was my exact thoughts on the art. While it IS some nice art, it doesn't seem appropriate to the card.

Fwoooosh

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Good news: People can now stop thinking up shitty reasons not to play Goyf in creature decks.

[menace13]

That was my exact thoughts on the art. While it IS some nice art, it doesn't seem appropriate to the card.

I think the old art and frame are better. Goyf was always a monster sized creature.

The new art shows goyf at its biggest, 8/9 is no small thing. Original art also shows goyf palming a man in its hand. Most things 5/5 and over are really, really big.

Which brings me to KotR, which can surpass that, but that can't be depicted as monstrous size since it is combat prowess and innate abilities on a human. Flavor wise, They are an ancient relic hunting order led by Rafiq, Activated ability of searching for lands is very well designed and executed. Such a great card.

[(nameless one)]

The new art for Goyf reminds me of Fruitcake Elemental (http://www.wizards.com/global/images/mtgcom_arcana_1240_pic1_en.jpg)

But yes, I like this. I don't play modern much though I am still intrigued by the mystery of it. It does help with a lot of Legacy stuff (Goyf, first generation Sword of X/Y, Bob, Vial to name a few things)

Not sure if they will reprint Broken Jace though they did imply that they will reprint cards that might be considered safe (and will not reprint cards that are in consideration of getting banned)

[Lemnear]

So it's unlikely that they reprint The Walletscuplor.

What except Goofy, Thoughtseize, Bob and Clique remain as money cards that really profit from a reprint (availability-wise)?

Important is the following: "Developed with draft in mind by Lead Developer Erik Lauer. You can draft "Storm vs. Faeries vs. Dredge"!"

So we can expect Narcomoeba, Bridge from Below in modern frame.

[nedleeds]

English only huh? $7 a pack with a Yu Ghi Oh insert? Into the fire with all of it.

[slikwilly]

Bob having a recent judge promo makes it unlikely to be in the set.

[nedleeds]

What except Goofy, Thoughtseize, Bob and Clique remain as money cards that really profit from a reprint (availability-wise)?


That depends on how poor you are. Some people find $10 KotR's unattainable. I would say a full helping of Zendikar fetch lands would be helpful, if they could get the price down to ~ $5-6.00 ... but I think the demand (for legacy, modern, commander) is pretty high on that stuff.

[Stan]

Am I the only one who prefers the new art? I already have an Asian playset of goyfs, but I'm going to dump those on the market as soon as I have four of the new ones. That art is sweet.

[Cynicath]

Hrm...how "limited" a run could we be talking? Because that really makes a big difference. Could this possibly be used for, say, FNM?

Yes apparently it's meant to be drafted, so I would say it's not extremely limited.

[KobeBryan]

Wizards know this is a cash cow with modern format.

they will reprint the chase cards 1-2 at a time.

Why would they include in a set, thoughtseize, mutavault, goyf, clique, dark confidant, etc.

they know they can always make a new set called "modern masters 2"

People knowing goyf is in the set will probably buy it for that fact alone.

[Hanni]

Wizards know this is a cash cow with modern format.

This. Every decision WotC makes, and will continue to make from now until forever, is driven by profit margins. This is no different than how any other corporation operates (with non-profit organizations and government agencies being the exception).

[DragoFireheart]

I don't know about you, but I like the new Goyf art.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

It does look better, even though it's a pretty average picture. To look better than the original Goyf all they'd have to do was spread a small amount of shit across a standard card frame... the original Goyf art is one of my all-time least favorite pieces of MtG art. You can't even tell what's what in the picture, it looks like garbage. Future Sight's frame design was also very poor looking, so it'll be an improvement on that front as well.

[FieryBalrog]

This is so disappointing. Not the set, the set is awesome and will probably the most fun booster box to ever open (or draft, though I can see drafting being painful because of having to pass amazing cards). The Goyf art is what is disappointing. All this time playing with the garbage FS artwork, hoping for a reprint with some sweet art, only to get the most generic looking green monster that is roaring at a deer? Even has the same duneworm-mouth that Wizards loves on green monsters, and looks absolutely ridiculous for a 2 mana vanilla beater who is most of the time a 3/4.

I mean we were gonna get one attempt at some real Goyf art, and this kinda blows it :cry:

Apart from that, kudos for an amazing set idea Wizards, I'm just nitpicking.

[Antonius]

I don't know what you guys are all talking about. I'm going to miss old tarmogoyf's monster, man-eating vagina face. This new piece of monster art is rather generic. That old art represented something truly, conceptually scary.

[Kich867]

I don't know what you guys are all talking about. I'm going to miss old tarmogoyf's monster, man-eating vagina face. This new piece of monster art is rather generic. That old art represented something truly, conceptually scary.

People seem to forget that Tarmogoyf is a Lhurgoyf--in particular, the most unfuckwithable one next to a properly setup Terravore. They're generic looking creatures. Terravore is a fucking rhino dinosaur thing made of soil. Every single one of them looks generic. Tarmogoyf is aptly the scariest looking one that seems to be encompassing everything, it's tearing up the earth and eating what's in front of it, it's flavor text is even applicable. For Tarmogoyf to look anything but a generic lhurgoyf looking creature would make no sense.

It should be visually identifiable as a lhurgoyf, the old art wasn't a visually identifiable anything--it barely even took a shape--and this is a far more appropriate art and one I enjoy greatly.

[Lord Seth]

My issue with the new Tarmogoyf is how big it is. Tarmogoyf usually tops out at a 4/5 and only gets bigger than that if you're lucky. Deer, I believe, are around 3/3 (if the power/toughness of stags is any indication), so it dwarfing them by so much is a bit odd. Now granted, size doesn't always scale with power (you've had humans who are bigger than the stags in the power/toughness), but it seems odd for it to be so gigantic compared to them when the card usually isn't that big and can be pretty small also. The old Tarmogoyf showed it to be pretty big, but didn't seem to be this big. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but the massive size does bug me a little. But I suppose it's a minor quibble in the grand scheme of things...

Incidentally, the Official announcement (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/218o) is up.

[Tormod]

I think the intentionally made the new goyf look like crap to give a little special value to the original ugly one. The original at least looked like an alien fucked up card from another game, this new goofy looks like a vanilla green common creature, like a 6/7 for 5GG

[alderon666]

They have to justify the Mythic rarity somehow... but come on, just pretend it's a fully powered 8/9 Goyf on the picture.

The flavor text is priceless, almost seems like a joke about the the "death" of Legacy.

[Finn]

If the point of the set is to increase the accessibility of Modern while turning a tidy profit, I would say it is an excellent idea.

[Aggro_zombies]

If the point of the set is to increase the accessibility of Modern while turning a tidy profit, I would say it is an excellent idea.
Realistically, a lot of the cards in this are only going to be fringe playable in Modern but end up in the set because of the need to balance draft. The fact that Tarmogoyf was promoted to mythic in a set with a limited print run does not give me a lot of hope for any major drop in prices for some of the most expensive Modern staples.

Which I guess was the point, based on Forsythe's article. It's just that $100 Goyfs could probably stand to have their prices drop.

[FieryBalrog]

I don't know what you guys are all talking about. I'm going to miss old tarmogoyf's monster, man-eating vagina face. This new piece of monster art is rather generic. That old art represented something truly, conceptually scary.

Problem with the old art isn't the concept, it's the fact that it looks like a smeared out dark blob with no definition. Like the artist drew something cool, then turned the gamma down to 2% in a stroke of genius.


People seem to forget that Tarmogoyf is a Lhurgoyf--in particular, the most unfuckwithable one next to a properly setup Terravore. They're generic looking creatures. Terravore is a fucking rhino dinosaur thing made of soil. Every single one of them looks generic. Tarmogoyf is aptly the scariest looking one that seems to be encompassing everything, it's tearing up the earth and eating what's in front of it, it's flavor text is even applicable. For Tarmogoyf to look anything but a generic lhurgoyf looking creature would make no sense.

It should be visually identifiable as a lhurgoyf, the old art wasn't a visually identifiable anything--it barely even took a shape--and this is a far more appropriate art and one I enjoy greatly.

Original lhurgoyf looks way better and scarier. Also at least terravore makes sense as a dinosaur made of soil, since he's, you know, TERRAvore.

[Koby]

Anyone who complains about this set because they are worried about their Tarmogoyf's not retaining their $100 status needs to be taken out back and beaten with a gold bullion brick.

I support this and any future "Chronicles" sets so long as no updated Reserve List is concerned.

Reprint away!

[dunk]

Im bored so I will speculate a bit about the set concerning the article:
- the picture def shows city of brass - hooray for modern frame non foil bb cities :D
- the article tals about drafting dredge, storm and faeries - so I guess we will see Narcomoeba and Bridge ( just to give them modern frames ), and also very likely stinkweed imp. for the storm part I can imagine either grapeshot or etw, along with some weaker storm spells, a few rituals ( seething song is very likely ) and maybe some suspend stuff. faeries means that at least spellstutter sprite and scion of oona are in... maybe vendilion clique as well ( hard to tell, there actually aren't that many absurdly high prices modern cards and they can't put too many of them in one set ), more likely to see sower of temptation or mistbind clique though. oh, and perstermite!

[dahcmai]

Well, guess that means Confidant is in "Sinker" now. Rosewater did mention that it was him or Goyf and we now know where goyf is. (hit up Salvation for the twitter feed if you want to see that).

I do like how they adjusted the rules text on goyf to be able to grow a little bigger if they ever decide to make a new card type again. Not likely for a long time, but it's there.

I am not real happy that these new Goyfs are probably going to cost about the same as a Future Sight one right off the bat being that it's a Mythic. Smaller boxes, Mythic status, high dollar tag on the packs makes for pretty high dollar average to pack one. Scary. They might even pass up the foils in price depending on how limited this supply actually is. I hear it's worse than the Commander arsenal and that's pretty damned bad.

[kwis]

I like the flavor text.

[DLifshitz]

Well, guess that means Confidant is in "Sinker" now. Rosewater did mention that it was him or Goyf and we now know where goyf is. (hit up Salvation for the twitter feed if you want to see that).

I do like how they adjusted the rules text on goyf to be able to grow a little bigger if they ever decide to make a new card type again. Not likely for a long time, but it's there.

I am not real happy that these new Goyfs are probably going to cost about the same as a Future Sight one right off the bat being that it's a Mythic. Smaller boxes, Mythic status, high dollar tag on the packs makes for pretty high dollar average to pack one. Scary. They might even pass up the foils in price depending on how limited this supply actually is. I hear it's worse than the Commander arsenal and that's pretty damned bad.

MaRo says a lot of things. Here (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/216) he said Bob is "a little bit too good to repeat." Maybe he's becoming senile.:wink:

At any rate, making such a set was great idea, making Tarmogoyf (and probably some other older rares) mythic rare is not so good, especially with boosters already having a MSRP of $7, but a "very small" print run renders the entire thing almost inconsequential. I don't recall very many mythic rares from 8th Edition to Alara Reborn being played heavily in Modern, and Elspeth 1.0 has been reprinted already, so it's evident that most, if not all mythic rares will be former rares.

The "we don't want newer players picking these up by mistake thinking they can use them at, say, Friday Night Magic" line from today's announcement reeks of hypocrisy. Noone will pick them up by mistake because stores will sell out during preorder season or immediately after the product goes on the shelves. And anyway some very recent products aimed at new players are already illegal in Standard, e.g. a lot of the cards from the M13 event decks have rotated out.

[Viridia]

I don't recall very many mythic rares from 8th Edition to Alara Reborn being played heavily in Modern, and Elspeth 1.0 has been reprinted already, so it's evident that most, if not all mythic rares will be former rares.


That's probably because Mythic Rarity wasnt there untill Alara ;)

[Koby]

That's probably because Mythic Rarity wasnt there untill Alara ;)

That's exactly his point. Outside of Goyf/Clique/Thoughtseize - are there any other candidates from those sets that would fall under Mythic?

EDIT: Mutavault*

[Aggro_zombies]

Well, guess that means Confidant is in "Sinker" now. Rosewater did mention that it was him or Goyf and we now know where goyf is. (hit up Salvation for the twitter feed if you want to see that).

I do like how they adjusted the rules text on goyf to be able to grow a little bigger if they ever decide to make a new card type again. Not likely for a long time, but it's there.

I am not real happy that these new Goyfs are probably going to cost about the same as a Future Sight one right off the bat being that it's a Mythic. Smaller boxes, Mythic status, high dollar tag on the packs makes for pretty high dollar average to pack one. Scary. They might even pass up the foils in price depending on how limited this supply actually is. I hear it's worse than the Commander arsenal and that's pretty damned bad.
"Worse than Commander Arsenal" means one box per store, if that. This would have pretty much zero practical impact on prices; in fact, the Modern Masters versions might be more expensive than the originals if the new arts are good. Note that the Premium Deck series was also labelled "limited print run" and was more widely available than FtV (another "limited print run" product). It would be nice if they told us how limited so we know where it's worth it to shell out $20+ per pack.

[DLifshitz]

Outside of Goyf/Clique/Thoughtseize - are there any other candidates from those sets that would fall under Mythic?

EDIT: Mutavault*

The two Darksteel Swords, Cryptic Command, Arcbound Ravager, Vedalken Shackles, Kira, Maelstrom Pulse, Noble Hierarch, Scapeshift, Engineered Explosives, Bribery - fairly expensive chase rares, all of them. While the Swords and Hierarch are already Judge promos and Pulse is also some sort of promo, there remain several cards in the $10-20 range that would qualify. And of course, there's going to be some fringe playables like Greater Gargadon. And let's not forget we need something that was once very good but is now largely obsolete, like Tombstalker, for the sake of nostalgia.

[Lord Seth]

They might even pass up the foils in price depending on how limited this supply actually is. I hear it's worse than the Commander arsenal and that's pretty damned bad.Where?

[sdematt]

Anyone who complains about this set because they are worried about their Tarmogoyf's not retaining their $100 status needs to be taken out back and beaten with a Nazi gold bullion brick.

http://mitteleuropa.x10.mx/files/Goldfinger_1964_frame_20090905164654.jpg

Fixed that for you JUST to make it even more expensive. Was watching Goldfinger tonight, and I figured I had to throw it somewhere.

[dragonstout83]

Well, guess that means Confidant is in "Sinker" now. Rosewater did mention that it was him or Goyf and we now know where goyf is. (hit up Salvation for the twitter feed if you want to see that).

Can we get a link or direct quote on that? People say all the time that Maro says things that he doesn't actually say.

[Julian23]

People say all the time that Maro says things that he doesn't actually say.

I smell potential for a new meme!

"But MaRo just tweeted, if you cut a hair it will later grow longer and thicker!"

[alderon666]

Funny joke from Brazilian Magic boards:

The text for the new Tarmogoyf should be the flavor text for Deep Analysis:
"The specimen seems to be broken."

LOL

[Julian23]

It's funny because the flavor text on Deep Analysis is a direct reference to Masticore.

[SpikeyMikey]

Goyf is a mythic in $7 packs. Wow...great job Wizards...NOT!

This is almost as poorly conceived a product as the incredibly expensive, limited-print Commander's Arsenal. Wizards is really striking out lately.

Forsythe did say they wanted to protect the collectors. That's why the 8 month lead time. That's why the price and availability. Kinda sad, when the people who don't play your game are more important to you than the people who do, but I don't think anyone is under the illusion that WotC is anything but a giant pool of festering evil.

[tonedown]

It's funny because the flavor text on Deep Analysis is a direct reference to Masticore.

Well, actually, it's a reference to the fact that Masticore is in the picture of Deep Analysis. ;)

[lordofthepit]

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that WotC is anything but a giant pool of festering evil.

1) I don't think anyone else thought that.
2) I think you take this game way too seriously.

[Sloshthedark]

1) I don't think anyone else thought that.
2) I think you take this game way too seriously.

1, I do
2, they do

[colo]

I always wanted to have a Tarmogoyf printed with the vanilla, non-FS frame. Great that's finally happening. I hope the set will include Tombstalker as well.