Is there such thing as to much?

[ceustice]

Am I the only one that hates to move cards around from deck to deck? My friends think I'm crazy for having such large numbers of certain legacy staples. Not to go into specifics but does moving cards bother anyone else and how many of a card is to much?

[Esper3k]

It's pretty annoying to have to move cards between decks, yeah. I used to have multiple sets of FoW's and Wastelands just because of that.

A friend of mine has like 14 Wastelands just so he can keep them all in his decks.

[Koby]

Am I the only one that hates to move cards around from deck to deck? My friends think I'm crazy for having such large numbers of certain legacy staples. Not to go into specifics but does moving cards bother anyone else and how many of a card is to much?

No, it's not unusual.
I have at least 2 playsets of FOW and Wasteland, and 3 sets of Brainstorms for this reason.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

I have a box of Tarpans and Slash Panthers for this very reason.

[Richard Cheese]

No.

But there is a such thing as "too much".

[Picc]

I use to have extras of stuff (since never having a deck ready does bother people even if they don't say so) but for the most part these days for the rares I just keep one set of everything and leave a color copy proxy behind if whatever decks I pull stuff out of. For friends around the kitchen table or testing the proxies are usually enough. If anyone complains I can always get the real cards.

Commons on the other hand I just have a set for every deck I play them in since ya know again not really worth moving stuff about.

[Phoenix Ignition]

As much as I don't like moving cards from deck to deck (it sucks not having a gauntlet of Legacy decks ready), I only have 1 set of all of the legacy playables. At this point cards just cost too much to justify buying another playset of anything (for my budget, at least).

[ceustice]

All together I have over 200 fetchlands (2 sets of each in Onslaught and tons of Zen), atleast 2 sets of each dual more of most of the Blue duals, 24 Force of Will {still need more}, 26 Wasteland{still need more, 32 Greens Suns, 36 Stoneforge Mystic, [two of my favorite cards ever]. This numbers seem crazy but I still find myself wanting more.

[Megadeus]

All together I have over 200 fetchlands (2 sets of each in Onslaught and tons of Zen), atleast 2 sets of each dual more of most of the Blue duals, 24 Force of Will {still need more}, 26 Wasteland{still need more, 32 Greens Suns, 36 Stoneforge Mystic, [two of my favorite cards ever]. This numbers seem crazy but I still find myself wanting more.

Why so many green sun? Do you need 8 copies of Maverick/NicFit?

[ceustice]

I actually didn't notice I had so many until last night a friend and I decided to count them. Right now I'm only putting 8 to work 4 in Elves(LSV's new build) and 4 Foils in Maverick. I just cant get rid of them knowing that it worth more then what the current value of the card is, if that makes since.

[Esper3k]

If you don't need the money you have tied up in it, then there's really nothing wrong with keeping that stuff around.

[Megadeus]

I only have the budget to own one deck at a time but I see nothing wrong in having multiples. I always told my friends if they had multiple EDH decks that if they really want to use certain cards in every deck then get more copies. Its boring sitting there waiting for them to unsleeve and change over 4-5 staples.

[ceustice]

If you don't need the money you have tied up in it, then there's really nothing wrong with keeping that stuff around.

Nah the wife and I have an agreement, a separation of Church and State, or Magic and Home if you will. All money I make off Magic goes back into Magic and all money from work goes into the home pretty simple, though I do take a little from the home pot every now and then.

[ceustice]

I only have the budget to own one deck at a time but I see nothing wrong in having multiples. I always told my friends if they had multiple EDH decks that if they really want to use certain cards in every deck then get more copies. Its boring sitting there waiting for them to unsleeve and change over 4-5 staples.

Couldn't agree more, or using a proxy for any purpose other then testing drives me nuts. If you proxied the card and you know its going to be in that deck for sure then get a real one please I'm tired of looking at a Island that has "Tropical Island" written in magic marker on it.

[Koby]

All together I have over 200 fetchlands (2 sets of each in Onslaught and tons of Zen), atleast 2 sets of each dual more of most of the Blue duals, 24 Force of Will {still need more}, 26 Wasteland{still need more, 32 Greens Suns, 36 Stoneforge Mystic, [two of my favorite cards ever]. This numbers seem crazy but I still find myself wanting more.

:eek::eek::eek:

[Megadeus]

Couldn't agree more, or using a proxy for any purpose other then testing drives me nuts. If you proxied the card and you know its going to be in that deck for sure then get a real one please I'm tired of looking at a Island that has "Tropical Island" written in magic marker on it.

Pretty much. If you are willing to go all out and need an expensive card to break the deck, then buy it. I don't want to play with proxies unless it is testing like you said. I mean I guess I wouldnt make a big deal about it, but I wouldn't do it, and I would expect everyone to do the same.

As for a competitive standpoint Im like most where I would like to at least own a set of expensive stuff and then cheap stuff Ill get 12-16 or whatever. That is if I had the money. I don't personally see a need to have more than a set of anything, but I don't knock those who do.

[.dk]

All together I have over 200 fetchlands (2 sets of each in Onslaught and tons of Zen), atleast 2 sets of each dual more of most of the Blue duals, 24 Force of Will {still need more}, 26 Wasteland{still need more, 32 Greens Suns, 36 Stoneforge Mystic, [two of my favorite cards ever]. This numbers seem crazy but I still find myself wanting more.

Wait... what? How many copies of Maverick do you actually need to field at once?

[Dan Turner]

I used to keep multiples until the prices got so high I just had to sell at what I believed was the height of a bubble. I do regret selling a bunch of Tarmos for $45 each though. My wife and I recently sold off a play set of rev duals for the down payment on another car. Who would of thought that cards I picked up for $10-$20 each would be hitting almost $100 on avg each. in under 9 years.

[WorstBandNameEver]

I have at least 3 playset of every Zendikar fetch lands. I have 16 misty rainforests. I play a lot more modern than anything else right now, and it's annoying always finding cards and moving things from deck to deck.

I have 8 wastelands which is nice in case I bring two decks somewhere to get some games in.

[emidln]

75 card proxy decks until day of tournament, where proxies get traded for real cards. Most of the proxies are in shorthand. I find it super annoying when I want to try a card during testing to have to find a physical copy of it.

For example, I have a copy of DDFT that looks like this (large black letters inscribed by a sharpie on revised plains):

BW x4 (Burning Wish)
DD x3 (Doomsday)
IU x1 (Ideas Unbound)

BS x4 (Brainstorm)
GP x4 (Gitaxian Probe)
SDT x4 (Sensei's Divining Top)
PDR x4 (Ponder)

D x4 (Duress)
T x3 (Cabal Therapy)
CoV x1 (Chain of Vapor)

LED x4 (Lion's Eye Diamond)
LP x1 (Lotus Petal)
CR x1 (Cabal Ritual)
RoF x1 (Rain of Filth)
DR x4 (Dark Ritual)

UR x2 (Volcanic Island)
UB x3 (Underground Sea)
U x2 (Island)
B x2 (Swamp)
UB Fetch x4 (Polluted Delta)
U Fetch x4 (Flooded Strand/Misty Rainforest/Scalding Tarn)

ToA x2 (Tendrils of Agony)
ETW x1 (Empty the Warrens)
DD x1 (Doomsday)
SI x1 (Shelldock Isle)
FSM x1 (Flying Spaghetti Monster aka Emrakul)
Mass x1 (Massacre)
AD x3 (Abrupt Decay)
Trop x1 (Tropical Island)
KK x1 (Karakas)
TSP x1 (Time Spiral)
IC x1 (Infernal Contract)
T x1 (Cabal Therapy)

[Dan Turner]

I keep most of my legacy collection I use in perfect fits inside of pink dragon sleeves, this way I can pick a quick 60 to use. I keep printed deck list the size of magic cards in black sleeves for each deck. It makes it bland to have about 600 cards all in pink in a box but takes 5 mins to make my deck choice.

[Thanos]

I used to have multiple playsets of certain legacy staples, but I started to feel guilty when there were bills to pay and I had all these "extra" cards that I really didn't need, so I sold them and went down to only keeping a playset of each.

[Viridia]

I keep most of my legacy collection I use in perfect fits inside of pink dragon sleeves, this way I can pick a quick 60 to use. I keep printed deck list the size of magic cards in black sleeves for each deck. It makes it bland to have about 600 cards all in pink in a box but takes 5 mins to make my deck choice.

^ This, i even use the the same sleeves :D
If i had alot of money, i'd buy collections, try to make money with them, and keep 2-3 playsets of each staple, for the exact reasons stated. It's just very useful if you want someone to try the format etc.

But for now, i have exactly what i need and nothing more :) (Which is GB(U/W) Nic-Fit, ANT/DDFT and U(bg/W) Landstill, screw Goyfs ^^)

[Mr.C]

No, not really, if money is not a problem. at my peak, I had over 100 duals, and never really wanted to sell them. After they got expensive, then I did :p

[Chimera87]

For me, yes there was. For others, no.
I decided to pimp out the decks that I actually play and not keep anything else. This way I can keep the value of my collection within reasonable values. I had way too many cards I was never going to play. As Viridia says: "screw goyfs"!

[ceustice]

For me, yes there was. For others, no.
I decided to pimp out the decks that I actually play and not keep anything else. This way I can keep the value of my collection within reasonable values. I had way too many cards I was never going to play. As Viridia says: "screw goyfs"!

I've started pimping out some of my decks but, I've kind of feel out of love with the one deck I played regularly. I never pass up a chance for a pimp version of a card if there is a importunity to pick one up. I'm almost always changing what I have made, at minimum I have 5-6 of the top ten decks made at a time, one so its hard to pimp everything out but, maybe one day.

As for "Screw Goyfs" one of my biggest regrets was selling Goyfs 13 through 16 wish I still had them.

[Oiolosse]

75 card proxy decks until day of tournament, where proxies get traded for real cards. Most of the proxies are in shorthand. I find it super annoying when I want to try a card during testing to have to find a physical copy of it.

For example, I have a copy of DDFT that looks like this (large black letters inscribed by a sharpie on revised plains):

BW x4 (Burning Wish)
DD x3 (Doomsday)
IU x1 (Ideas Unbound)

BS x4 (Brainstorm)
GP x4 (Gitaxian Probe)
SDT x4 (Sensei's Divining Top)
PDR x4 (Ponder)

D x4 (Duress)
T x3 (Cabal Therapy)
CoV x1 (Chain of Vapor)

LED x4 (Lion's Eye Diamond)
LP x1 (Lotus Petal)
CR x1 (Cabal Ritual)
RoF x1 (Rain of Filth)
DR x4 (Dark Ritual)

UR x2 (Volcanic Island)
UB x3 (Underground Sea)
U x2 (Island)
B x2 (Swamp)
UB Fetch x4 (Polluted Delta)
U Fetch x4 (Flooded Strand/Misty Rainforest/Scalding Tarn)

ToA x2 (Tendrils of Agony)
ETW x1 (Empty the Warrens)
DD x1 (Doomsday)
SI x1 (Shelldock Isle)
FSM x1 (Flying Spaghetti Monster aka Emrakul)
Mass x1 (Massacre)
AD x3 (Abrupt Decay)
Trop x1 (Tropical Island)
KK x1 (Karakas)
TSP x1 (Time Spiral)
IC x1 (Infernal Contract)
T x1 (Cabal Therapy)

Did you study math or comp sci?

Edit: ceustice, you are going to turn into a magic card if you aren't careful.

[Dark Ritual]

The only card I never proxy anymore is dark ritual. I own hundreds of copies of the card, in fact whenever I sleeve up dark rituals for a new storm brew the problem is deciding which version I want to use since I can use anything from alpha to korean 5th to korean saga etc. etc.

I just use the same type of sleeves for all my decks, so swapping cards between decks is quite easy. I used to own 12 FoW's, 16 wastelands, 7 underground sea's, 8 LED's, and other cards in multiples but then cards became so expensive I couldn't justify holding onto cardboard over thousands of dollars.

Now the only cards I have multiple playsets of other than dark ritual are brainstorms really. Still have a lot of brainstorms, at least 16 copies or something.

Also have a lot of random bulk legacy commons that are worth quarters apiece like REB and such. Not sure how many because I never bother gathering them all together and counting them because I'm lazy :P

But over 200 fetchlands? If I had that many fetchlands, they'd be gone in under a day and I'd have thousands of dollars coming in the next day.

[JACO]

I'm in the crowd with multiples of certain stuff. 50+ Forces, 12+ Wastelands, 150+ fetchlands, 16 Confidants, many duals, 16+ Show and Tells, etc., mostly in varying degrees of pimp. I have pretty much everything I want for multiple decks, and am trying to slowly get rid of some of the more excessive stuff. I used to have 200+ Forces, 30+ Wastelands, and more, but am slowly trimming the fat away as I convert Magic cards to original artwork and other cool stuff, and eventually finish altering and getting everything I play with signed.

I don't think there's such a thing as too much when it comes to Magic cards, but financially you may want to limit your exposure on stuff that will eventually be reprinted like fetchlands, Modern stuff, etc. (see Imperial Recruiter and others, for other examples), if you care about the fiscal aspect.

[phazonmutant]

I guess if you can play DDFT without even having the full names on the cards, you can probably play DDFT in a tournament...

[CorwinB]

I also have two playsets of many staples (dual lands, Bobs, Wastelands, Thoughtseizes, FOW, Brainstorm...). I try to get one pimp playset (currently in the process of upgrading my extra Revised dual lands to FBB). For some stuff (Zen fetches for example, Standard dual lands) I even have extra playsets, but I'm trying to wind down a little bit (for example I sold my second playset of Goyfs recently, and I think I'll sell extra duals and fetches soon, keeping a maximum of 9 (2 playsets and one copy for my collection).

[Ellomdian]

I'm not going to tell people that they should or shouldn't collect old cards. But I have personally seen my local eternal scene get way more new player interest when the people who had 3-5 playsets of staples pared down to what they needed to play.

I for one don't like to have more than 2 playsets of things, and would rather pimp out the only playset I need to play, then have a million copies of cards sitting in boxes. If you loan out a lot of cards, I can see having a spare set, but the guys who have binders full of Forces just irk me.

[apple713]

I'm not going to tell people that they should or shouldn't collect old cards. But I have personally seen my local eternal scene get way more new player interest when the people who had 3-5 playsets of staples pared down to what they needed to play.

I for one don't like to have more than 2 playsets of things, and would rather pimp out the only playset I need to play, then have a million copies of cards sitting in boxes. If you loan out a lot of cards, I can see having a spare set, but the guys who have binders full of Forces just irk me.

this

I have multiple copies of several legacy staples but cant ever play them all. so I've decided to eliminate all of my extra copies and just foil out the most played cards in the format excluding cards that will be reprinted. A large part of this project is selling cards I've collected, such as beta power nine and time vaults to make room for beta duals. Then once I get my playset of beta duals i'll toss my playset of revised duals.

I'm sitting at around 90ish duals and have multiple complete sets of magic (tempest through lorwyn, i think)

is ebay the best way to sell cards like this?

[Ennel_Pat]

I went from multiple playsets of duals, around 100 fetch, 16 FoW's/Wastelands etc to max. a playset of each card. At first I felt like playing with complete and original decks was necessary and too lazy to swap cards over, but then I came to my senses and realized that being lazy cost a lot of money :).

I had all my legacy staples in a box with decklists like they mentioned above. But it was still too much hassle when wanting to switch decks and playing a quick game. Also when playing with real card at home I saw my cards go from NM to Ex and decided to put all my cards in binders and in perfect fit sleeves and proxy all decks I had.

I intend to not proxy cards I do not own, because I think it might seem unfair in my playgroup where not everyone proxies. But if I like a card and want to buy it, I now test it first and then decide to buy as I have way too many cards not getting any use at the moment.

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

... if you care about the fiscal aspect.

Okay, here's the crux for me. If my collection hadn't been stolen years ago, and I'd stayed in the Legacy scene, I'm sure I'd have more than a playset of a lot of staples, and I don't begrudge people making a financial investment through magic cards. I'd have done the same if I'd had more money back when duals were cheap.

But if you don't care about the financial aspect, why on earth are you hoarding cards? All you're doing is causing inflation that hurts other people trying to get into the format.

There's also a question of how close certain cards are to their peak. I totally agree with the guy who has 30 something Green Sun's Zeniths. But fetch-lands are likely to be reprinted at some point in the not-so-distant future. Heath in particular just seems inflated compared to the other non-blues; Maverick isn't even that great anymore.

[ceustice]

Just got Force of Wills 21-24 and Wastelands 27-34 pretty excited still need more of each but I'm getting there.

[Kyle]

I hate switching things around, but at the same time I'd rather spend money on pimping out my existing decks (or picking up pimp staples for collection purposes, such as Beta Swords to Plowshares or Legends Sylvan Libraries) than buying multiple playsets.

Also, I like the challenge of making only decks that do not require switching cards back and forth. For instance, the active decks I am rotating through don't share a lot of cards with each other, and it's been a fun challenge to see that they don't overlap, and the added benefit is the FORCED VARIETY it causes, as in playing other colors than blue.

That said, I have 12 Wastelands, 8 Force of Wills, 5 Tarmogoyfs, 5 Scavenging Ooze, 8 Deathrite Shaman, etc....

[mini1337s]

I hate switching things around, but at the same time I'd rather spend money on pimping out my existing decks (or picking up pimp staples for collection purposes, such as Beta Swords to Plowshares or Legends Sylvan Libraries) than buying multiple playsets.

Also, I like the challenge of making only decks that do not require switching cards back and forth. For instance, the active decks I am rotating through don't share a lot of cards with each other, and it's been a fun challenge to see that they don't overlap, and the added benefit is the FORCED VARIETY it causes, as in playing other colors than blue.

That said, I have 12 Wastelands, 8 Force of Wills, 5 Tarmogoyfs, 5 Scavenging Ooze, 8 Deathrite Shaman, etc....
Aside from Duals, I'll typically buy multiples for decks I'm actively playing/want to keep together. If I need additional duals, that deck get the ol' Guildgate proxy :P

[dunk]

On the one hand we get threads where people discuss that the entry of the format is too high to keep a steady influx, and on the other hand we got this thread where people brag about how many playsets of an expensive card they got. Great...


I'm on the lazy side of the thread as I keep buying the same sleeves over and over to change cards between decks really quick.

[Machahiko]

So what's the opinion of hoarders on what if some of your expensive staples would be reprinted, way or another to make it more affordable to get into this format?

[mini1337s]

So what's the opinion of hoarders on what if some of your expensive staples would be reprinted, way or another to make it more affordable to get into this format?
Sure, why not?
If you reprint cards in a new frame, sure you'll get holier-than-thou neckbeards circlejerking about their U-Seas dipping by 20%, but it should grow the format's playbase.
If you want to piss off collectors, print Alpha/Beta/Unlimited EXACTLY as they were printed initially (same cut, etc). Then people can justify being mad about reprints.
I'm not a store; I'm an adult with discretionary income. If I'm investing crucial money into a children's card game, well, looks like I'm going to have to grow up real fast when my collection devalues by 20%.

[xfxf]

I hate switching thins around too but I'd rather spend my resources on expanding my collection and decks rather than accumulate multiples of each staple as I'm still trying to make up for the times when I was on a hiatus. Currently Legacy-wise I'm at a comfortable place and I can build pretty much any blue control/tempo deck with slight additions. At this point I can either start acquiring multiples of those staples, start pimping or start building towards Vintage. However, as I said I prefer to expand my collection so Vintage has priority over all the other options. Also to me the only pimp is old school black border English so the only pimping I could do is to upgrade to Beta duals which is a whole Vintage deck per playset of U. Sea so I'm passing on that for the time being.

[Mr.C]

So what's the opinion of hoarders on what if some of your expensive staples would be reprinted, way or another to make it more affordable to get into this format?

I'm not sitting on tons of staples anymore, thankfully. If they were reprinted, I would be very irritated, but what can you do. It's not an investment. That's one of the reasons I downsized; the other is what happens when the game goes online-only. Right now, all I have is one of each card, some extras, and some decks. Much happier this way.

Reprint away!

[ceustice]

So what's the opinion of hoarders on what if some of your expensive staples would be reprinted, way or another to make it more affordable to get into this format?

I admit it would sting a little but honestly, but I do prefer they do anything to get more people playing legacy the better what ever it takes.

Just picked up:
Deathrite Shaman 16-20
Abrupt Decay 16-20
also 6 English Scavenging & Ooze 1 Japanese