Challenge Time -- Layers!

[Malakai]

Painter's Servant and Mycosynth Lattice come into play at the same time, via an effect like Show and Tell. What happens?
In a three player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, and Humility are put into play. What happens?
In a four player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, Humility, and Opalescence are put into play. What happens?
In a five player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, Humility, Opalescence, and Enchanted Evening are put into play. What happens?
If player order matters assume I named the cards in order, starting with the active player.
Mycosynth Lattice is in play. Jace Beleren is targeted by Karn, Silver Golem's ability and becomes a creature. Cemetery Puca is also in play. I use Leech Bonder to move a Loyalty counter from the Jace-creature to Cemetery Puca. Jace Beleren is killed by Vindicate, and Cemetery Puca's controller pays 1 to copy the creature that died. Is this sequence of events legal? And if so, what exactly is the Cemetery Puca? Can it use Jace abilities? Etc etc. Assume Jace Beleren had 5 loyalty counters at the time he left play.



Painter's Servant
Mycosynth Lattice
Show and Tell
Humility
Opalescence
Enchanted Evening
Jace Beleren
Karn, Silver Golem
Cemetery Puca
Leech Bonder

[Malakai]

Rolled into first post.

[ahg113]

Totally semi-educated guessing...


Painter's Servant and Mycosynth Lattice come into play at the same time, via an effect like Show and Tell. What happens?
All permanents in play and spells in hand become "color". While in play permanents are artifacts. While Servant and Lattice remain in play.


In a three player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, and Humility are put into play. What happens?
Same as above, but all creatures are now 1/1s as well and dorks, "color" change remains.


In a four player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, Humility, and Opalescence are put into play. What happens?
same as above, but enchantments (excluding opalesence) are creatures without abilities and P/T equal to CMC, or enchantments are creatures with abilities and 1/1, I know you need multiple enchantments for them to be dorks, or a push...


In a five player game, someone casts Show and Tell. Painter's Servant, Mycosynth Lattice, Humility, Opalescence, and Enchanted Evening are put into play. What happens?
All non-aura permanents are "color" artifact enchantment creatures for sure. Pretty sure they lose all abilities, not sure about P/T.


If player order matters assume I named the cards in order, starting with the active player.
Lastly, if I resolve a Clone, and there is a Jace Beleren in pay that has somehow been made into a creature, what happens if I select said Jace to copy?
Legend rule both go to bin

[Tammit67]

As for how Jace became a creature, imagine Mycosynth Lattice is in play, and Jace was target with Karn, Silver Golem's ability.

Additionally, there does not at present seem to be a way to remove the subtype "Jace" from Jace Beleren, so when the clone enters play they'll effect the "planeswalker uniqueness rule" and be remove when state-based effects are checked. So, to avoid this, let me ask a similar question:

Mycosynth Lattice is in play. Jace Beleren is targeted by Karn, Silver Golem's ability and becomes a creature. Cemetery Puca is also in play. Jace Beleren is killed by Vindicate, and Cemetery Puca's controller pays 1 to copy the creature that died. Is this sequence of events legal? And if so, what exactly is the Cemetery Puca? Can it use Jace abilities? Etc etc.

Assume Jace Beleren had 5 loyalty counters at the time he left play.


Cemetery Puca


Puca does not say creature card, and will trigger on a creature jace going to the GY. It will become a Jace with no loyalty counters, and be placed in the yard the next time someone receives priority

[Darkenslight]

First example: You choose.

Second Example: you choose, then it depends on which you choose to have the earliest timestamp, with the caveat that everything is an Artifact in addition to its other types.

Third example: BRAIN MELT! You choose, with the caveat that everything but the Lattice is a 1/1 Artifact Creature in addition to its other types.

Fourth Example: Neural nuclear explosion!!!! You choose, with the caveat that everything is a 1/1...something.

Fifth example: The clone Dies due to the "World/Planeswalker" rule, it ETB as a Planeswalker Creature. Anything that clones as a result of creatures dying (Cemetery Puca, for example) dies as an SBA of having 0 Loyalty.

[Malakai]

Rolled into first post.

[Asthereal]

Fifth example:

Situation - in play are: Jace 1.0, Karn, Mycosynth Lattice, Leech Bonder (tapped), Cemetery Puca (as itself), some untapped lands.
1. Jace becomes an artifact because of Lattice. Fine.
2. Karn turns the artifact-planeswalker Jace into a creature. Jace is now an artifact-creature-planeswalker. Fine.
3. Leech Bonder removes a Loyalty Counter from the creature-artifact-planeswalker Jace to Cemetery Puca. Jace now has 2 loyalty counters, Puca now has 1 loyalty counter. Not sure if this is possible. Rules don't say anything about moving loyalty counters to other permanents.
(if 3. would be fine also:)
4. The creature-artifact-planeswalker Jace is destroyed, Puca triggers. Fine.
5. The Puca trigger is used, Puca tries to become a copy of the creature-artifact-planeswalker Jace. Problem: Puca loses the additional characteristics that were added (see rule below). So the creature-artifact-planeswalker is no longer a creature or artifact, but then becomes an artifact again because of Lattice. The question is: can Puca copy the planeswalker Jace as a planeswalker? Puca did trigger, because a creature died, but Puca tries to become a copy of that creature, and while copying figures out that he actually copies a planeswalker. Puca's rules text says "If you do, Cemetery Puca becomes a copy of that creature and gains this ability." Since as the trigger resolves, the copied card is not a creature, but the effect says it should copy a creature, the ability will fail to work. Same as a Diabolic Edict cast on a player who has no creatures. At least, that's what Puca's text says it should do. If Puca actually does a 'copy/clone' effect as described in the rules, the Puca becomes a Planeswalker - Jace with one loyalty counter, that afterwards is turned into an artifact because of Lattice, but is no creature (unless Karn does his trick again). Awkward!

Correct me if I'm wrong on part 5, and please help on part 3.

Ruling on Puca: "5/1/2008 Cemetery Puca copies the printed values of the creature, plus any copy effects that have been applied to it. It won't copy other effects that have changed the creature's power, toughness, types, color, or so on. It also won't copy counters on the creature (it'll just retain the counters it already has)."