jace the mind sculptor Reprint?

[apple713]

I've been debating finishing my playset of foil jace the mind sculptors when I realized while they are not likely to print him ever again to be legal in standard they are however likely to print him as a foil judge promo or other promo and I might be better to hold off?

Any care to share their 2 cents?

[god_campbell]

I'd say if you want foils, you'll be waiting till at least modern masters 2....oh wiat ya hes banned so just bite the bulelt and get him now before his price gets even more expensive.

[Lemnear]

I'd say if you want foils, you'll be waiting till at least modern masters 2....oh wiat ya hes banned so just bite the bulelt and get him now before his price gets even more expensive.

Your best bet is a Judge foil in a few years. A duel box appearance is unlikely because it would equal the price development of the FtV sets so this would be a total joke. Moreover there is the modern-banned issue that likely prevents any reprint except the judge promos.

I have no real advice because in Europe's MCM the price rose to 400€+ per foil piece in english. Not to think of foreign ones...

[kiblast]

Wait, if jtms gets reprinted as a judge promo it means that it will be reprinted in the old frame. It would be a stunning piece.

Anyway I think that foil Jaces are so much coveted and scarce (because it's a foil mythic and lots of players who wanted them already got them quickly, moreover I've seen various pics of people hoarding them owning more than a playset) thet if it gets reprinted as a judge promo the price will drop of, umh, 5% maybe?

[Lemnear]

Wait, if jtms gets reprinted as a judge promo it means that it will be reprinted in the old frame. It would be a stunning piece.

Anyway I think that foil Jaces are so much coveted and scarce (because it's a foil mythic and lots of players who wanted them already got them quickly, moreover I've seen various pics of people hoarding them owning more than a playset) thet if it gets reprinted as a judge promo the price will drop of, umh, 5% maybe?

The point is: If you run the Walletsculptor, you want a whole fuck'n set of that mythic, printed in a small, short-drafted set. Even the limited numbers Judge foils can provide to the market can't saturate the demand. A old frame printing would be hilarious, even outcashing the Worldwake ones.

As long as most Legacy and Vintage Control deck starts with 4x Force of Will, 4x Jace, 1x/4x Brainstorm I can see him only becoming more expensive.

Aside from that I think NOW is a terrible timing to buy Jaces. At least I would wait for Miracles/Vintage (lol) to diminish so Jace maybe drop down back to 300€ than the ~400 of today.

[Tormod]

What would an old border planes walker look like?

[Bobmans]

What would an old border planes walker look like?

Just google Beta Jace. And dont stare at Jace Halls racks...

[Lemnear]

Just google Beta Jace. And dont stare at Jace Halls racks...

Impossible to ignore that ... no Force of Will.

[apple713]

Aside from that I think NOW is a terrible timing to buy Jaces. At least I would wait for Miracles/Vintage (lol) to diminish so Jace maybe drop down back to 300€ than the ~400 of today.


when do you think this might be? is there a legacy season?

[Lemnear]

when do you think this might be? is there a legacy season?

I guess there are 2 Legacy GP's this year afaik but that shouldn't make much of an impact. I would monitor the Legacy metagame and the Performance of Miracles/BUG worldwide and have an eye on Vintage (which even suffers in the United Staates of Proxies atm). The moment Team America/Delver/Combo are able to outperform Blade/BUG/Miracles should be good for private trades <250€ ... However, gatecrash doesn't seem to deliver anything metachanging for Legacy to Support such a shift :/

[bruizar]

I guess there are 2 Legacy GP's this year afaik but that shouldn't make much of an impact. I would monitor the Legacy metagame and the Performance of Miracles/BUG worldwide and have an eye on Vintage (which even suffers in the United Staates of Proxies atm). The moment Team America/Delver/Combo are able to outperform Blade/BUG/Miracles should be good for private trades <250€ ... However, gatecrash doesn't seem to deliver anything metachanging for Legacy to Support such a shift :/

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

[Lemnear]

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

Modern masters is no regular Expansion with a limited printrun (around Coldsnap as WotC announced) and goofy is a MYTHIC in there. So this adds a few Foil Goofies ... do you expect it really have a mentionable Impact on the market?

[Nicol Bolas]

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

Second to JTMS I presume should be Thoughtseize, the foil version of this card is still undervalued

[bruizar]

Second to JTMS I presume should be Thoughtseize, the foil version of this card is still undervalued

Yep :) i just got a foil seize for this reason

[Oiolosse]

So, I was a total retard for not buying Jace (non foil of course) at 50 bucks some months ago. I don't currently have a need to play him but would love to own it since it opens up so many decks (and I love control). Should I fork over the 100 bucks or do you guys think it will drop a bit? I ask because I have about 300 bucks from xmas and I wanted to accumulate more duals but if Jace is only expected to rise I may want to grab 2-3 instead.

Thanks!

[Lord Seth]

Modern masters is no regular Expansion with a limited printrun (around Coldsnap as WotC announced) and goofy is a MYTHIC in there. So this adds a few Foil Goofies ... do you expect it really have a mentionable Impact on the market?Wait. Where did they say it was about the same size as Coldsnap?

[phonics]

So, I was a total retard for not buying Jace (non foil of course) at 50 bucks some months ago. I don't currently have a need to play him but would love to own it since it opens up so many decks (and I love control). Should I fork over the 100 bucks or do you guys think it will drop a bit? I ask because I have about 300 bucks from xmas and I wanted to accumulate more duals but if Jace is only expected to rise I may want to grab 2-3 instead.

Thanks!

Honestly I think the price will slowly creep up, since it will be forever banned in modern and wizards dgaf about high legacy prices, the only way it would go down is if they banned it in legacy or made a better blue planeswalker, which is never happening. I think its going to hover around a little more than 100$ for a while, probably just get them when you find a deal or get a trade you like unless you are just dying to play control.

Its crazy that the card is only 3 years old yet it commands such a huge price tag.

[Lemnear]

Wait. Where did they say it was about the same size as Coldsnap?

Rosewater himself noted on Twitter that the printrun will be more or less Coldsnaps which was more limited than any other expansion in the last 8 years. I'm sure you can find infos about coldsnaps Detailed printrun somewhere in the web.

So the idea to Turn Tarmogoyf and maybe other chase-rares like thoughtseize into mythics AND make it a limited printrun-product won't help modern and Legacy as much as it needs. They still could try other shenanigans with the booster pack seize or the Price because this is Not a regular draft Set but handled like FtV or an Un-Set for distribution

[Barook]

Rosewater himself noted on Twitter that the printrun will be more or less Coldsnaps which was more limited than any other expansion in the last 8 years. I'm sure you can find infos about coldsnaps Detailed printrun somewhere in the web.
Was that before or after they acknowledged their massive fuck up with Commander's Arsenal, thus increasing the print run?

And Jace could be easily reprinted in Legacy Masters. There's no doubt it's going to come because Modern Masters WILL be a huge success for Wizards and piss of fans at the same time because the supply won't meet the demand. They literally print money with it.

[DLifshitz]

And Jace could be easily reprinted in Legacy Masters. There's no doubt it's going to come because Modern Masters WILL be a huge success for Wizards and piss of fans at the same time because the supply won't meet the demand. They literally print money with it.

Commander was a huge success, and yet they didn't immediately think to follow it up with a similar, widely available, good-value-for-money product. Instead we got Commander's Arsenal which only satisfied a very few people. The Premium Deck Series was pretty popular, at times including Legacy staples, and yet it's been discontinued. Meanwhile they continue to churn out boring, repetitive core sets like M12 and M13 that add very little to the game, and don't sell well. So stop applying your logic rooted in common sense! :wink: Anyway they print money with whatever product they release.

[Barook]

Commander was a huge success, and yet they didn't immediately think to follow it up with a similar, widely available, good-value-for-money product. Instead we got Commander's Arsenal which only satisfied a very few people. The Premium Deck Series was pretty popular, at times including Legacy staples, and yet it's been discontinued. Meanwhile they continue to churn out boring, repetitive core sets like M12 and M13 that add very little to the game, and don't sell well. So stop applying your logic rooted in common sense! :wink: Anyway they print money with whatever product they release.
I think Maro said in his blog that Legacy Masters is a possibility if Modern Masters is a success.

All we need to do then is showing them that there IS a market to sell a product, via a online petition or whatever. Hell, it doesn't have to be draftable. All it needs to do is containing a nice bunch of cards.

They could always include cards that are popular in EDH (or Modern) as well. Although, if Gatecrash is any indication, that's already the direction we're heading into the future - overcosted shit with little thought put into it under the premise of "EDH playable" and call it a day.

[Lemnear]

@Barook, von dem ich trotz meines Studiums in Regensburg nicht weiß, wer sich hinter dem Nick verbirgt^^

not 100% sure when the Twitter Post happend ... but I guess it was AFTER that Commander release :/

The end of the Premium decks can be backtracked to the confusion it caused to the new customers which bought those preconstructed sets and expect to Play fnm. It Sounds hilarious from OUR perspective but it was part of the Feedback WotC had After the F&L Premium deck with the reanimator one already in Production. The topic appeared Even on the Q&A of the Premium sets.

Imagine you are new to the game, buy a preconstructed Set and want to attend at your First ever tournament, fill out a DCI sheet, adrenaline pumping through your Body in excitement and then you get DQ'ed! Kid Run home crying; parents raging and complaining online.

Except the "complaining online" i have Seen such things live

[DLifshitz]

I think Maro said in his blog that Legacy Masters is a possibility if Modern Masters is a success

Q: So when do us legacy players get a Legacy Masters?
A: The Reserved List unfortunately makes that impossible.

source: https://twitter.com/maro254/status/259801001014489088

So, no, at least not with MaRo at the helm. But hey, he's not going to work for WotC forever.

I don't want to turn this into another "Complain about the reprint policy" thread, but of the cards that are not on the Reserved List, some (Wasteland, Bob, Clique, the original fetchlands, ...) have been reprinted as Judge Foils, and historically WotC seem to be unwilling to devalue the Judge Foils through other reprints, and some others will likely be in Modern Masters (Goyf for sure, Thoughtseize possibly). They just haven't left themselves a whole lot of room for maneuver for Legacy reprints. At some point there might be a Judge Force of Will or Jace, but other than that, I'm very pessimistic about reprints.

[Lemnear]

Q: So when do us legacy players get a Legacy Masters?
A: The Reserved List unfortunately makes that impossible.

source: https://twitter.com/maro254/status/259801001014489088

So, no, at least not with MaRo at the helm. But hey, he's not going to work for WotC forever.

What would you expect then? I'm 99% sure Aaron Forsythe would follow him then and continue the same philosophy.

[Barook]

Q: So when do us legacy players get a Legacy Masters?
A: The Reserved List unfortunately makes that impossible.
This sucks.

There are enough staples that aren't on the Reserve List and can be reprinted. Think Wasteland, FoW, Karakas, and many, many others...

[CorwinB]

This sucks.

There are enough staples that aren't on the Reserve List and can be reprinted. Think Wasteland, FoW, Karakas, and many, many others...

Agreed.
Frankly, if the people at WOTC really wanted to support Legacy with reprints, they could do so, even if the Reserved List ultimately puts a ceiling on the whole format because of Dual lands. IIRC, they can even reprint Show&Tell if they feel like it.

[Lord Seth]

Commander was a huge success, and yet they didn't immediately think to follow it up with a similar, widely available, good-value-for-money product. Instead we got Commander's Arsenal which only satisfied a very few people. The Premium Deck Series was pretty popular, at times including Legacy staples, and yet it's been discontinued. Meanwhile they continue to churn out boring, repetitive core sets like M12 and M13 that add very little to the game, and don't sell well.Where are you getting your sales figures from?
Q: So when do us legacy players get a Legacy Masters?
A: The Reserved List unfortunately makes that impossible.

source: https://twitter.com/maro254/status/259801001014489088

So, no, at least not with MaRo at the helm. But hey, he's not going to work for WotC forever.That's assuming that this is his decision to begin with.

[DLifshitz]

Where are you getting your sales figures from?

Mainly from asking a friendly store owner. It's pretty much common knowledge that e.g. Zendikar, Worldwake, Return to Ravnica, and Commander did exceptionally well, with demand exceeding supply at times, and that M10 and M11 sold better than M12 and especially M13. I couldn't tell you, say, how many boxes they sold, or about the sales of New Phyrexia relative to Dark Ascension. But they made no secret of the fact that they couldn't keep the Commander decks in stock for very long, for example.

[FieryBalrog]

What would you expect then? I'm 99% sure Aaron Forsythe would follow him then and continue the same philosophy.

Forsythe is already Maro's boss

[swoop]

This whole thing is a joke. The scene is filled with speculants, brokers and people (companies) looking to make money buying stocks (cards).

Jace isn't played anywhere basically except in Legacy here and there and in nonexistant vintage scene.

rofl

[apple713]

This whole thing is a joke. The scene is filled with speculants, brokers and people (companies) looking to make money buying stocks (cards).

Jace isn't played anywhere basically except in Legacy here and there and in nonexistant vintage scene.

rofl

JTMS is arguably one of the best cards ever printed with the exception of the p9. The fact that he made his way into vintage is saying something. He can single handedly win a game like no other card. He'll never be banned in legacy because of his mana cost. He won't ever get reprinted because its unhealthy to do so. He is also beyond the power level of any pre made deck that wizards would sell.

[Nicol Bolas]

This whole thing is a joke. The scene is filled with speculants, brokers and people (companies) looking to make money buying stocks (cards).

Jace isn't played anywhere basically except in Legacy here and there and in nonexistant vintage scene.

rofl

I disagree with everything you said, his price has always been dictated by his power level and he is a mainstay in Vintage Drain decks. So unless you're living under a rock..

[Mr.C]

I disagree with everything you said, his price has always been dictated by his power level and he is a mainstay in Vintage Drain decks. So unless you're living under a rock..

lol Vintage. Such a popular format. iirc, Praetor's Grasp is highly played there too, and it's like what? a quarter?

[Lemnear]

lol Vintage. Such a popular format. iirc, Praetor's Grasp is highly played there too, and it's like what? a quarter?

Grasp was never ever played. At least add research to your trolling

[Pippin]

Jace was around $45 not even a year ago. Playability remained completely the same in the meantime - aka legacy and vintage only. Not every Legacy deck plays Jace as a 4x, and neither they did back then - yet it still jumped from $45 to $100. Why?

Speculators hoping that it'll get unbanned in modern due to jund's dominance. That's it, nothing more to it that would warrant such a massive price jump in such a short time for a card that was printed only 3 and a half years ago in massive quantity.

[joretapo]

Miracle control did this for the most part abrupt decay may undo it by hitting counterbalance (i insist on may)

[bruizar]

Jace was good prior to miracle control and it is still good. Modern has nothing to do with this. I have kept track of the value just before they rotated out and ever since. There is no way that a vanilla creature like Tarmogoyf can cost more than a planeswalker as good as Jace. Recurring Brainstorms, a win condition, creature removal and a soft-lock built into 1 card is much better than 4/5 vanille creature for 1G. Also, there aren't that many Jaces since the distribution of mythic + foil is extremely low. This is also why I bought Liliana of the Veil over Snapcaster Mage when they came out, because long term, Liliana will outperform Snapcaster Mage by a big margin.



Worldwake 10 MRs 80:1

That means that you need to open 80 boosters to rip a regular Jace.

AFAIK Foil Jace is 8*8*10=640 boosters = 20 booster boxes of Worldwake needed to find 1 foil jace. That means 80 booster boxes of worldwake for a playset. If a booster is $3,-, that's $7680 worth of boosters to get a playset. Thing is, because of Jace Worldwake boosters were sold above MSRP so it would likely cost even more.

EDIT:

This distribution issue is also the reason why I converted my entire collection to foils only. Foils retain their values much better and the markup is much higher than non-foils. The formula that most traders use (foil=2nonfoils) is, as you can see, simply wrong. 1 foil is worth 8-non foils if you look solely at distribution. Ofcourse there are other factors, but the overall conclusion you can take from this is that foils are undervalued. What is happening to Jace does not surprise me. Just because it's worth more than most can afford, doesn't mean it is expensive.

[Pippin]

Jace was good prior to miracle control and it is still good. Modern has nothing to do with this. I have kept track of the value just before they rotated out and ever since. There is no way that a vanilla creature like Tarmogoyf can cost more than a planeswalker as good as Jace


You're comparing apples and oranges. Tarmogoyf is played in more decks than Jace in Legacy (including non-blue decks), and is widely played as the premium creature in Modern. Format that is driving the prices atm and where Jace is not legal.

Also, if you were playing close attention to jace prices, please do enlighten us how it was $45 in April of 2012.
I'm still standing by my statement that most of Jace the Mind Sculptor price is due to pure Modern unbanning speculation. Price would cool off significantly if Wizards would come up with a statement that would read "We don't intend to unban Jace in Modern, ever.".

[Barook]

I'd love to read an article about how speculators ruin everything and whether or not it's in Wizards interest that prices of old staples are driven sky-high. Because it seems to have become a common problem lately.

[bruizar]

You're comparing apples and oranges. Tarmogoyf is played in more decks than Jace in Legacy (including non-blue decks), and is widely played as the premium creature in Modern. Format that is driving the prices atm and where Jace is not legal.

Also, if you were playing close attention to jace prices, please do enlighten us how it was $45 in April of 2012.
I'm still standing by my statement that most of Jace the Mind Sculptor price is due to pure Modern unbanning speculation. Price would cool off significantly if Wizards would come up with a statement that would read "We don't intend to unban Jace in Modern, ever.".

foil tarmogoyfs commanded such high prices even before modern was announced. Sure, there is a spike because tarmogoyf is legal in modern now, but the unbanning of Jace has not even been a serious discussion for modern. MaRo has stated that Jace won't be reprinted and that he was a mistake if I'm correct. If the card is considered a design mistake and is too strong for a reprint and is currently banned in modern, why would Jace even be a serious contender for unbanning when there are other, much less harmful bans on the modern banned list? Wild Nacatl, Chrome Mox and Bitterblossom for example.

[Mr.C]

Grasp was never ever played. At least add research to your trolling

Fine, Serum Powder. Or even Workshop and Bazaar. They have been 200ish for what? 5 years? Tabernacle sees almost no play in Legacy, and yet its still worth the same or more than those two cards, which are Vintage staples.

Vintage is an irrelevant format nowadays, and really has no effect on prices.

[Lemnear]

Fine, Serum Powder. Or even Workshop and Bazaar. They have been 200ish for what? 5 years? Tabernacle sees almost no play in Legacy, and yet its still worth the same or more than those two cards, which are Vintage staples.

Vintage is an irrelevant format nowadays, and really has no effect on prices.

Those cards are older than 15 years. Some got destroyed, lost and vanished in shoeboxes; in the meanwhile the Vintage scene diminishes ... both combined make a stable price reasonable.

Unlike Shop and Bazaar Jace is played in Legacy AND Vintage. Moreover the worldwide Legacy scene is 20-times bigger than Vintage's

Worst part: The rarity distribution is completely different: If you've bought an Arabian Nights Box you have a guarantee to have every rare inside the box once. So buying 4 Arabian Nights boxes equals a playset of every rare. Todays distribution, especially mythics, are completely random. Bruizar tried to show the dimension of this joke.

[DLifshitz]

So, I was a total retard for not buying Jace (non foil of course) at 50 bucks some months ago. I don't currently have a need to play him but would love to own it since it opens up so many decks (and I love control). Should I fork over the 100 bucks or do you guys think it will drop a bit? I ask because I have about 300 bucks from xmas and I wanted to accumulate more duals but if Jace is only expected to rise I may want to grab 2-3 instead.

Thanks!

You'll probably feel better about it if you buy duals, which have been quite stable recently. Badlands and Taiga might actually be slightly underpriced, seeing as you need them for Jund.

[apple713]

Thanks guys for the input. I bit the bullet and bought 4 foil jaces, so now I have 5. I don't regret it. i know they will hold their value as long as it doesn't get banned in legacy. it still seems a little slow for modern (i.e. they should un banned it), I heard modern is quite quick but never played it. I find it really hard to believe that wizards feels that legacy is too hard to get into because of duals considering there are many standard decks worth more than legacy decks.

[FieryBalrog]

there are many standard decks worth more than legacy decks.

no, not really.

let me amend that: not everyone wants to play Burn or Infect Stompy.

[Megadeus]

The most ecpensive deck in Standard is probably worth around like 4-500? You could play Nic Fit or something for that price.

[Lt. Quattro]

This whole thing is a joke. The scene is filled with speculants, brokers and people (companies) looking to make money buying stocks (cards).

Jace isn't played anywhere basically except in Legacy here and there and in nonexistant vintage scene.

rofl

Legacy + Vintage + Commander + Kitchen Table players + Under Printed = High Price.

[r3dd09]

Might have to buy my german foil playset soon...

[FieryBalrog]

Legacy + Vintage + Commander + Kitchen Table players + Under Printed = High Price.

Jace isn't a big card in EDH. He's not even the best (or 2nd best) PW in the usual powered-casual environments people play.

[apple713]

Might have to buy my german foil playset soon...

GL, if you can even find it. It'd be like $4,000

[Lemnear]

GL, if you can even find it. It'd be like $4,000

On MCM there's one for 500€ and one for 700€ ... lulz

[joven]

Jace was around $45 not even a year ago. Playability remained completely the same in the meantime - aka legacy and vintage only. Not every Legacy deck plays Jace as a 4x, and neither they did back then - yet it still jumped from $45 to $100. Why?

Speculators hoping that it'll get unbanned in modern due to jund's dominance. That's it, nothing more to it that would warrant such a massive price jump in such a short time for a card that was printed only 3 and a half years ago in massive quantity.

An unban in Modern would be insane for the prices. :D
But I guess he is way to powerful as a single card to be ever unbanned in Modern or to be reprinted (except as Judge Foil).

[Oiolosse]

An unban in Modern would be insane for the prices. :D
But I guess he is way to powerful as a single card to be ever unbanned in Modern or to be reprinted (except as Judge Foil).

I don't agree with "he is way to powerful as a single card to..." because as far as Legacy goes he has already been printed and is still legal. 100 is too much, I want a reprint. I am in the camp that wants Magic Cards cheap across the board. I liken it to playing chess against an opponent that can't afford the queen.

[swoop]

I disagree with everything you said, his price has always been dictated by his power level and he is a mainstay in Vintage Drain decks. So unless you're living under a rock..

As vintage is played only under a rock in this discussion its on the end of gauss curve.

Jace is a card whose price is hyped, it isn't real. As Pippin said they didn't appear in many more DTB or any other decks, they are played only in 2 formats and were printed in few M pieces each, and probably every possible booster of the edition is ripped apart, then how and why is their price so high?

Because of speculation.

[Lt. Quattro]

As vintage is played only under a rock in this discussion its on the end of gauss curve.

Jace is a card whose price is hyped, it isn't real. As Pippin said they didn't appear in many more DTB or any other decks, they are played only in 2 formats and were printed in few M pieces each, and probably every possible booster of the edition is ripped apart, then how and why is their price so high?

Because of speculation.

Casual players out number tournament players by a huge margin. While I don't play casual, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that casual players love planeswalkers. Since kitchen table magic isn't a rotating format it is eternal demand.

[alekill]

I can't see a casual player willing to shell out 100$ for a card this seems to be coming straight from competitive players and speculators.

[Richard Cheese]

Casual players out number tournament players by a huge margin. While I don't play casual, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that casual players love planeswalkers. Since kitchen table magic isn't a rotating format it is eternal demand.

Really? I don't know any casual players...although I guess there isn't much crossover with the tournament guys. I'd love to see some data on casual vs. competitive scene.

[xfxf]

Oh there are a lot of casual players. And it's an unpleasant meeting for both parties when casual and competitive players are put in the same room.

Recently discovered a co-worker was looking to get back to Mtg so we decided to go to a game store and play some games. He apparently didn't know what Legacy was. I told him my deck probably would not be suitable for a casual game but he said he was fine with it and then we proceeded to play the worst Mtg experience I've ever had in my life. I didn't want to shell out for a started deck just to play a few casual games but I offered it nonetheless. Here's the thing, the store owners, probably been playing since forever but huge defenders of casual play apparently, noticed this and one started complaining to his friends right away "See, that's the problem with Magic!". The other guy popped over a few minutes later and was like "You're really playing against this with a Legacy deck!!?". The first guy handed me a casualish modernish deck but started making all sorts of snarky comments, going nuts when I made play mistakes/rules mistakes - "yeah, take that!". The resentment of the casual player is unequaled.

If you are lucky enough to have a good competitive scene where you live lucky you. I've lived in 3 different major cities in Europe over the last 3 years and the only city with a decent competitive Legacy scene was Paris.

There are lots of casual players.

[Lt. Quattro]

I can't see a casual player willing to shell out 100$ for a card this seems to be coming straight from competitive players and speculators.


Really? I don't know any casual players...although I guess there isn't much crossover with the tournament guys. I'd love to see some data on casual vs. competitive scene.

Jeffbcrandall would often post over on salvation about what was selling when he was running a large card shop. His shop catered to everyone and his insights about what casual players buy and how much they spend were always interesting.

[Mr.C]

Casual players are the bread and butter of Magic. One of my local shops couldn't keep Exquisite Blood in stock @ $4 before the spike happened, and they are always sold out of Sanguine Bond, Parallel Lives, Primordial hydra, that kind of stuff.

[AncientSion]

GL, if you can even find it. It'd be like $4,000

Well, i would part with my two for less than 1k each, fyi.

[DragoFireheart]

Jace, the Mind Sculptor will never be reprinted.

EDIT: My secret wish came true!

[swoop]

Casual players are the bread and butter of Magic. One of my local shops couldn't keep Exquisite Blood in stock @ $4 before the spike happened, and they are always sold out of Sanguine Bond, Parallel Lives, Primordial hydra, that kind of stuff.

Your shop and meta sucks man. Even casual players are not that stupid usually...

I mean, its one thing to play for fun, other is to just waste money on craps :) hope you guys teach those "casuals" some magic.

[swoop]

He lives in Croatia and is a big proponent of Aluren, I'm not sure there's a bigger rock one can hid under.

First of all I've reported you for discrimination and nationalistic slurs. I don't know where you are from, what you do or what you play and I don't care but calling my home and country a FUCKING rock is a disgrace on these forums.

Rest went into a PM. Its not worth it over this.

[AncientSion]

Funny shit. I bet you just earned a temporary break from the source.

[socialite]

First of all I've reported you for discrimination and nationalistic slurs. I don't know where you are from, what you do or what you play and I don't care but calling my home and country a FUCKING rock is a disgrace on these forums.

Rest went into a PM. Its not worth it over this.

Bummer you couldn't take a light jab. By far my best burn in 2013. Sorry to have offended you, take a chill pill.

[swoop]

Bummer you couldn't take a light jab. By far my best burn in 2013. Sorry to have offended you, take a chill pill.

Its not a light bum or the burn.

[MTGSigil]

Hey, guess what,
Mind Sculptor is in FtV:20
lolololol
F**K YOU WIZARDS!

[kiblast]

Croatia is awesome. One of the few places I haven't been already in Europe that I actually want to visit. Just have a look at the region/city of Split or Dubrovnik.

My bet on JTMS price: Non foil stays at 90-100 eur. Foil stays at 400-450 eur. Foil reprint should be around 150-180? Considering most people find the foiling process on Ftv horrible. I still have remorses for not foiling my set 1 year ago. Damn.

[swoop]

Croatia is awesome. One of the few places I haven't been already in Europe that I actually want to visit. Just have a look at the region/city of Split or Dubrovnik.

My bet on JTMS price: Non foil stays at 90-100 eur. Foil stays at 400-450 eur. Foil reprint should be around 150-180? Considering most people find the foiling process on Ftv horrible. I still have remorses for not foiling my set 1 year ago. Damn.

@kiblast - theres a pretty strong legacy community in Split.

Re Jace - it all depends on number of FTV products on sale. easy as that

[Stan]

I've been all over Europe. The best looking women on the continent walk around in Split. There are worse countries one can go to than Croatia.

[Higgs]

Jace, the Mind Sculptor will never be reprinted.

This gave me a good laugh :laugh:

[DragoFireheart]

This gave me a good laugh :laugh:

:wink:

Force of Will will never be reprinted.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Well, i would part with my two for less than 1k each, fyi.

Why? Seems like it should only go up in value from here, as the only reprint was in crap foil and only in english. Now as far as foil market is concerned, there are even more English ones to your German ones than ever. It would be unwise to part with them ever, imho...Are there Korean Jaces?

-ABC

[apple713]

Why? Seems like it should only go up in value from here, as the only reprint was in crap foil and only in english. Now as far as foil market is concerned, there are even more English ones to your German ones than ever. It would be unwise to part with them ever, imho...Are there Korean Jaces?

-ABC

do not believe so. Japanese would be the scarcest language he could be found in.

Yeah with foil english jaces up to 600-800 german ones for under 1k seems like a sweet deal.



:wink:

Force of Will will never be reprinted.

of course it will... FTV M40

[Secretly.A.Bee]

I'm actually kinda relieved to hear someone say no Korean Jace. I would be jealous and they would be scary...That would be a crap-ton of korean writing.

-ABC