No Holds Barred - Best Creature in Legacy?

[phazonmutant]

How would you guys like some pretty pointless debate about the best creature in Legacy? I know I love pointless debates!

So, the question is:
What is the best creature in legacy?

Clearly Tarmogoyf, Stoneforge Mystic, and Dark Confidant are some of the most efficient creatures, and a lot could be said for them being the best.

However, when you look at how stupid Griselbrand or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn are in the variety of decks that can put them in play as early as turn 1, I would contend that they are better.

In fact, I'm going to make a bold claim:

Griselbrand is the best creature in Legacy

[Greenpoe]

Most powerful creature = the biggest benefit to the greatest number of decks to beat. So, it's obviously Tarmogoyf, since it's played in Team America, Jund, The Rock and URG Tempo/Thresh. Easy answer.

[rufus]

Phear the power of Wood Elemental. Clearly better than the rest.

[Finn]

I don't really think there is a best right now. That has to be a sign of health. Wizards has gotten mostly better at saddling powerful creatures with restrictions that prevent them from toppling all others. They price them aggressively, but not awfully. They get powerful abilities, but those abilites come with a price.

Tarmogoyf is a notable exception because it is simply underpriced. But until Deathrite Shaman, it had been largely missing. Even Maverick lists were opting for stuff like Ooze and Knight of the Reliquary instead. Instead I am going to plop down a short list.

In no particular order:

1. Deathrite Shaman is everywhere. It is a Swiss army knife and it associates itself nicely with blue while still working well without blue. A winning combination for sure. Not really any significant restriction which accounts for its ubiquity.
2. Delver of Secrets has a significant drawback that prevents it from seeing play with Aether Vial, and it needs a heavy blue commitment. These things limit its breadth of play, but it is a defining card in the decks it is actually in.
3. Tarmogoyf is Tarmogoyf. Gold standard for underpriced beef since 2007. It's drawback is nothing of the sort.
4. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben rules the battlefield against blue. She demands that you don't play blue yourself being her significant limitation.
5. Dark Confidant, the KILL ME NOW card of choice is still as good as ever with a moderate design limitation. He has been out of favor for awhile, waiting for the format to have a place for him.
6. Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is the first creature to be a bonafide win condition good enough to be desirable over a noncreature wincon. I hope the limitations are obvious to all.
7. Griselbrand has the interesting ability to turn Show and Tell into a draw spell that must still be answered anyway. One attack is not technically the game in most cases, but we all know that in reality it is. Or zero attacks. Just as good.

[Fizzeler]

Golgari Grave-Troll obviously

[phazonmutant]

Most powerful creature = the biggest benefit to the greatest number of decks to beat. So, it's obviously Tarmogoyf, since it's played in Team America, Jund, The Rock and URG Tempo/Thresh. Easy answer.

That's a reasonable answer. However, I think that Griselbrand will only get more powerful as more spells get printed, whereas Tarmogoyf has seen little play as recently as 6 months ago when it was only played in Thresh. Tarmogoyf is only a vanilla dude.

The reason I say Griselbrand is because it's reasonably easy to get it in play, and once it's in play, the game is over. If you combine him with Omniscience, Sneak Attack, or even Children of Korlis, he is actually just a win. He dominates almost any creature in play (possible exception of Baneslayer Angel?).

With Emrakul, sure it's insane if you cast him, but I've seen people win through Annihilate for 6, and he gets no value if your opponent has any number of answers (Karakas, Gilded Drake).

[Zinch]

Phear the power of Wood Elemental. Clearly better than the rest.

Lol!!!! You made my day... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

How could a creature be THAT bad, btw?:eyebrow: Wood Elemental is so bad it hurts...

[Humphrey]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/fve/5.jpg

[wcm8]

No love for Nimble Mongoose, Tombstalker, or Snapcaster Mage? Grim Lavamancer and Bloodbraid Elf deserve honorable mentions. As does Scavenging Ooze.

I think if we are just talking about things that turn sideways or block things that turn sideways, the answer is pretty clearly Tarmogoyf. However since most creatures that are good are really just 'spells on legs', it's a bit more difficult to make fair comparisons.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Krosan Tusker, not even close.

[rufus]

Lol!!!! You made my day... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

How could a creature be THAT bad, btw?:eyebrow: Wood Elemental is so bad it hurts...

As of right now, Force of Savagery is arguably in the same league.

[lordofthepit]

Knight of the Reliquary, even though it has gotten a little weaker.

[Nicol Bolas]

Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant since they are played in more than 1 tier deck. But the most powerful creature ever would be Griselbrand.

[JACO]

Griselbrand; not close.

[TeenieBopper]

Krosan Tusker, not even close.

<3

[Bryant Cook]

Xantid Swarm.

[Megadeus]

Snapcaster is only as good as the spell he is bringing back!

Baleful Strix!! Also DRS right now is solid. Yawgs Bargain on a 7/7 flier is solid or so I hear

[Greenpoe]

I think Snapcaster could be, since he's can fit into combo, control and aggro. I'm not sure any other card fits into all three categories. Snapcaster is possibly the creature that's played in the greatest number of different archetypes.

[Shawon]

Etched Champion

[Kich867]

Commander Eesha.

Out of bolt range, can't be blocked by anything, chumps everything for infinity, and wears a Jitte like a boss.

Sexiest lady in Magic hands down.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

It's a tie between Griselbrand and Tarmogoyf for me. Griselbrand enables so many slow-roll combo strategies it's foolish to doubt its power, even compared to the other three big legacy legendaries (Progenitus, Emrakul, and Iona), and Tarmogoyf, despite being only a vanilla, is perhaps the most undercosted vanilla once the game starts rolling.

[.dk]

Well my answer is obvious based on the thread I have the most posts in... so yeah, Griselbrand.

Honorable mentions:
Xantid Swarm
Protean Hulk

[alphastryk]

Creatures are bad. How am I supposed to answer this question?

Right now, I think Deathrite Shaman - He's very efficient and versatile, and is built-in hate for some combo decks. It honestly feels like a 1 mana planeswalker sometimes.

There is definitely an argument that it is one of the unfair men, and I think Griselbrand is the best of those.

[Chikenbok]

Are creatures those things you turn sideways to do combat damage to an opponent? I don't think I've ever done combat damage to an opponent...

However, vizzerdrix.

[klaus]

...my mom.


[ps: in before the lock]

[Piceli89]

...my mom.


[ps: in before the lock]

I can witness the best creature is his mom, although she can be Plow'd.

[klaus]

I can witness the best creature is his mom, although she can be Plow'd.

..by your misdirected Bolt.

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

1. Deathrite Shaman
2. Delver of Secrets
3. Stoneforge Mystic

Then probably Knight, Bob, Grimy, Thalia, Goyf, Ooze, Emrakul, Griselbrand, Goblin Ringleader. I think Goblin Welder belongs on there somewhere, even if it hasn't found a real home right now.

[wizard_of_gore]

Mother of runes
dark confidant
deathrite shaman
tarmogoyf
stoneforge mystic
snapcaster mage
grim lavamancer
knight of the reliquary
griselbrand

[ahg113]

No love for Squire?

I didn't even know Force of Savagery was a card. That makes me mad, on a fundamental level, that's wrong.

[Tormod]

Deathrite shaman

That card is busted. A 1-drop that can ramp, has reach and life gain all while disrupting your opponents resources on a 1/2 body, good enough to block a turn 1 lackey.

Yep, busted because its the most efficient creature ever and is essentially a 1 mana planeswalker which you can use its abilities at instant speed.

[Morte]

It doesn’t make sense to compare DS and Goyf to Griselbrand and Emrakul. The question should be splitted in two:

1) Creature to cast: what is the best?
Tarmogoyf
Deathrite Shaman
Delver of Secrets
Dark Confidant

2) Creature to cheat in play: what is the best?
Griselbrand
Emrakul
Progenitus
Iona

[RaZe]

Griselbrand has the highest Power level for creatures period. Although in legacy think KotR, Delver and Deathrite are the top 3 right now.

[Gui]

...
Deathrite Shaman is everywhere. It is a Swiss army knife and it associates itself nicely with blue while still working well without blue. A winning combination for sure.
...

Nope , you almost got it perfectly here. Card must associate well with blue and work well with blue to be good in legacy. Perfect combination!

[apple713]

Snapcaster is only as good as the spell he is bringing back!

Baleful Strix!! Also DRS right now is solid. Yawgs Bargain on a 7/7 flier is solid or so I hear

speaking of this, does that mean they should unbanned bargain? grisselbrand seems better since he also serves as a means to gain that life back.


also, there a reason a deck has not been made with all of the following creatures?

Mother of runes
dark confidant
deathrite shaman
tarmogoyf
stoneforge mystic
Knight of the Reliquary
Thalia



All these cards have been mentioned at some point on this list but never used together. Wouldn't it make sense they would gel well together. BWG is only three colors and thats pretty easily done.

[Antonius]

Commander Eesha.

Out of bolt range, can't be blocked by anything, chumps everything for infinity, and wears a Jitte like a boss.

Sexiest lady in Magic hands down.

You also forgot that she doesn't die to Abrupt Decay. OMG METAGAME ANSWERED!

[kingtk3]

Speaking of potential, I think that goblin welder it's the best creature in the format.
It costs 1 mana.
It invalidates any permission or removal (apart exile or top/down library effects).
It's a recurring engine.
It can cheat monsters into play.

As Spatula said it's lacking a home now, but anyone who played vintage at some point knows how fearful the welder is.

[apple713]

Speaking of potential, I think that goblin welder it's the best creature in the format.
It costs 1 mana.
It invalidates any permission or removal (apart exile or top/down library effects).
It's a recurring engine.
It can cheat monsters into play.

As Spatula said it's lacking a home now, but anyone who played vintage at some point knows how fearful the welder is.

Goblin welder is a hard card to play because decks haven't found a combination of cards to protect him with. He has the biggest bullseye on his head of most of the creatures in the format. The best way to protect him or any creature I think is mother of runes. This would lead you down a white red path with no draw abilities to eliminate inconsistency.

Welder is best played with more artifacts than anything. Other cards that can help with this are one of the two tezzerets.

[twndomn]

Keep in mind, we are discussing Standalone creatures. If the creature requires other artifacts/lands to make its advantage cumulative over turns, it's not as great as higher ranked.

1. Griselbrand (standalone at its best, even Emrakul doesn't allow you to draw cards to protect itself)
2. Deathrite shaman (graveyard required, but at 1cc pushes it over)
3. Dark Confidant (cumulative advantage over turns)
4. Tarmogoyf (graveyard required)

[TsumiBand]

Keep in mind, we are discussing Standalone creatures. If the creature requires other artifacts/lands to make its advantage cumulative over turns, it's not as great as higher ranked.

1. Griselbrand (standalone at its best, even Emrakul doesn't allow you to draw cards to protect itself)
2. Deathrite shaman (graveyard required, but at 1cc pushes it over)
3. Dark Confidant (cumulative advantage over turns)
4. Tarmogoyf (graveyard required)

By that metric though, Phage the Untouchable is a queen among creatures. It costs less than Griselbrand and you literally win the game next turn.

How does Griselbrand not have dependencies whereas cards like Lackey/Welder/etc do? Am I the only Magic player ever to Wheel of Fortune into 6 lands and something irrelevant? While this is rare, you're still placing your faith in a random draw, your win is not guaranteed via card draw. GB is yet another S&T target besides, so that in and of itself is a giant dependency.

[Maximus]

Tarmogoyf is the best creature in Legacy.

[sir]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ts/215.jpg

Aww yeah.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Tarpan.

[Taurelin]

Autochthon Wurm

Neither a creature to cast, nor to cheat into play. But still the most broken combo-enabler.

[Richard Cheese]

By that metric though, Phage the Untouchable is a queen among creatures. It costs less than Griselbrand and you literally win the game next turn.

How does Griselbrand not have dependencies whereas cards like Lackey/Welder/etc do? Am I the only Magic player ever to Wheel of Fortune into 6 lands and something irrelevant? While this is rare, you're still placing your faith in a random draw, your win is not guaranteed via card draw. GB is yet another S&T target besides, so that in and of itself is a giant dependency.

Say what? I hardcast Griselbrand all the time. Fetch, rit, rit, Tombstalker, Petal, Burnt Offering, Grizzlebeeeeeees!

[troopatroop]

Wild Nacatl

[joemauer]

Narcomoeba

[Mr. Safety]

Gentlemen, I think we all know that the best creature ever printed is Keldon Warlord

[TsumiBand]

Gentlemen, I think we all know that the best creature ever printed is Keldon Warlord

Hogwash. Battle Squadron is a Goblin and has Flying, and therefore infinitely superior because of all the ridiculous synergy with Lackey, Warren Instigator, and any other relevant Lordses.

[Malakai]

Well, to me, Lord of Atlantis is the scariest creature in legacy.

[CabalTherapy]

The best creature is:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=107408&type=card

Bounce everything.

[KevinTrudeau]

I would lump 'combo piece creatures' from 'creatures' into two different piles, as I feel they both serve different purposes. An opponent chooses one of those piles. Put the rest of those piles in your hand, and the rest on the bottom of your library.

Uncle Istvan. The good uncle.

[xfxf]

My secret anti-punishing fires tech, because blue rulezz:
http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGMIR/suqata_firewalker.jpg

[DragoFireheart]

Ah yeah bitches, the best legacy legal creature.

http://www.collectorscache.com/StoreModules/ProductImages/141/pygmy_allosaurus.jpg

Dinosaurs are sexy.

[thefringthing]

http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MAGUNG/goblin_token.jpg
Note close.

[TsumiBand]

http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MAGUNG/goblin_token.jpg
Note close.

Unironically, this is actually significantly stronger than most of the recent creature cards posted.

Plus, it works with Battle Squadron.

[lordofthepit]

10 Griselbrands in the top 4 of SCG Vegas; 0 Deathrite Shamans in the top 8.

Is this a changing of the guard, or a blip in the radar?

[Koby]

Griselbrand so good you only need two to make it broken. Griselbrand by far the best creature in Legacy.

[Rocco111]

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4738&type=card
:cool:

[georgjorge]

Those were the days...Deranged Hermit + Tradewind Rider combo...

Yesterday I played on MWS, first against someone with old-school Wildfire (Temporal Aperture, Phyrexian Processor etc) and then someone with old-school Thresh (Werebear, Mystic Enforcer etc). Brought back memories...

[GoblinZ]

Sea drake

[nedleeds]

Phyrexian Revoker naming Griselbrand.

[Kich867]

Obviously the best creature in legacy is Stangg, and more importantly, Stangg Twin. Stangg-Deck-Wins wrecked Germany last year. Not sure where the coverage of it went though.

[Megadeus]

My favorite is grim lava mancer under a standstill with no GY. Talk about a clock

[nedleeds]

Obviously the best creature in legacy is Stangg, and more importantly, Stangg Twin. Stangg-Deck-Wins wrecked Germany last year. Not sure where the coverage of it went though.

If I ever have twins you can be fucking sure one will be named Stangg and the other Stangg Twin.

[Troll_ov_Grimness]

Deathrite Shaman
Stoneforge Mystic carries whatever equipment you want. Equipment is too good.


Tarmogoyf is bad, really. The graveyard is smaller now because of the shaman. Tarmy is kind of like playing Kird Ape now.

[sdematt]

Yes, very bad. Allow me to kill you with my 5/6 and then we can talk about it over coffee.

-Matt

[Mr. Safety]

Hogwash. Battle Squadron is a Goblin and has Flying, and therefore infinitely superior because of all the ridiculous synergy with Lackey, Warren Instigator, and any other relevant Lordses.

Say that to this dude and see what happens! He's like the fucking Ultimate Warrior with those pythons, and that whole 'using really big swords before Final Fantasy was cool' thing going on. Battle Squadron, prepare for butt-hurt.

[feline]

At one time it would have been Psychatog or Goblin Lackey, or even further back to turn 1 Dark Ritual Phyrexian Negator or Hypnotic Specter, but creatures have only become more powerful in time, now...

In my observation however, I see these 3 creatures getting the most votes between themselves and everything else:
Tarmogoyf will always gets props, I believe I read an article or poll somewhere that finally put Psychatog at the number 2 slot, Tarmogoyf finally dethroning it based on "impact to the format & power overall"
Griselbrand because card draw is huge, in that regard it makes this creature the best by far.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn because it's it makes play, it's not "traditionally" easy to answer, & that means it will likely be swinging the following turn, and that means loosing 6 permanents, which means if you even survive 15 damage, you're going to be cut back severely & hit again.

...and Storm Crow for the humor of course.

[LeoCop 90]

If history has any importance, the best legacy creature is Goblin Lackey. It is the only creature always played in a deck that has always showed important results from the beginning of the format until now.
When tarmogoyf, dark confidant , stoneforge mystic and so on will be played for about other ten years ( and if goblin lackey will not be played anymore) at a competitive level, we could start arguing that they are the best creatures.


Aniway, Goblin Psychopath also stands a chance in my opinion.

[Kich867]

At one time it would have been Psychatog or Goblin Lackey, or even further back to turn 1 Dark Ritual Phyrexian Negator or Hypnotic Specter, but creatures have only become more powerful in time, now...


You know, this is something that's always sort of confused me. I didn't really play competitively when Negator was a real card, but were things like Lightning Bolt not around to ruin his day? Same with psychatog, was he not just plowed after they burnt through everything? Or were these cards not in the same format as when those cards were big deals?

[theillest]

You know, this is something that's always sort of confused me. I didn't really play competitively when Negator was a real card, but were things like Lightning Bolt not around to ruin his day? Same with psychatog, was he not just plowed after they burnt through everything? Or were these cards not in the same format as when those cards were big deals?

There were less bolts and STPs, I think. T1 Negator vs hightide was gg and bad times for uw landstill. Tog was well guarded by the rest of the deck.

[TsumiBand]

You know, this is something that's always sort of confused me. I didn't really play competitively when Negator was a real card, but were things like Lightning Bolt not around to ruin his day? Same with psychatog, was he not just plowed after they burnt through everything? Or were these cards not in the same format as when those cards were big deals?

Negator and Tog were good due to the absence of those cards. In fact, on rare occasion when someone did get their Negator Bolted or, like, Goblin Grendaded or whatever, it was this big deal because burn was not considered to be a reasonable slot in a deck.

Also there were not so many actual removal spells because it (a) it used to be all about the counter-wars. You play Tog, I FOW, you FOW, I Drain, and so on (b) Morphling was considered one of the best creatures in Vintage for a long, long time, and anyone smart enough to play a Morphling didn't tap out to do it, so spot removal had to fight through counters AND Morphling's insta-shroud. Other stuff like Welder and Rector was usually just online before StP mattered anyway, so StP spent a lot of time on the board.

Sligh and Goblins was kind of a budget deck to get into Vintage but it wasn't really regarded as a serious thing - Goblins did pick up a lot of steam after Onslaught though. I don't think a deck with burn really started looking favorable in a Vintage setting until, like, people started splashing Red in Fish to play Lavamancer, and then it was sort of a given that if you did see that first turn Negator, you had the Bolt to set your opponent back to turn zero. When I rocked UR Fish I always played more burn than most people and in the handful of Vintage tourneys I did play, never regretted it once.

Of course, I'm talking mostly Type 1 here, I don't think I actually played 1.5 until it became Legacy. And I don't think that a guys-and-burn deck has ever not been viable in Legacy, so Negator just didn't really take off.

This is all just vaguely remembering what Magic looked like about 10 years ago so maybe I am skirting a detail or two. But it took a really long time for creatures to become good enough that StPs, Bolts, and other things were worth looking at.

[Kirika]

Best creature really depends on what your strategy is.

If you are trying to cheat a large expensive creature into play then yes Griselbrand is the best creature because it draws you cards.

If you are playing cheap efficient creatures then Dark Confidant is the best creature because it draws you cards.

Creatures that draw you cards are the best creatures because they give you more options with more cards.

My favorite decks are Reanimator/Sneak and Showl/Oath (big creature decks) and Dark Confidant Control (Esper Bomberman/Grixis in Vintage, Esper Stoneblade in Legacy)

[Patrunkenphat7]

I have seen very few serious posts in this thread... Oh well, I guess it's OK to have fun sometimes :).

1) Deathrite Shaman
2) Griselbrand
3) Stoneforge Mystic
4) Tarmogoyf
5) Snapcaster Mage

6) Dark Confidant

I feel very strongly that this is the ranking of creatures in the current metagame. Delver, KotR, and Scavenging Ooze may have easily been on this list a few months ago.

[LinkXwing]

2003-2004 Type 1.5:

Negator was played as a sideboard card when you found opponents not playing burn. StP on Negator was fine, Fireblast was not.

Psychatog was huge, though he almost never hit the board turn 3. Almost all acceleration in the format was banned due to Type 1. He was played as a 2-3 of in the deck, sometimes only hitting the board with Shallow Grave or Corpse Dance from a Cunning Wish. FoF was banned but Drain was legal. Using Drain mana for Intuition -> 3x Accumulated Knowledge was a big thing. Psychatog hit play on turn 25 with a full grip of counters and a cunning wish into Berserk to wipe the floor in one turn. You had no worthwhile burn and all StP's got discarded or countered by the time 'tog went on offense.

Then U/R landstill became a thing ported over from Vintage. Mana Drain -> Nev's Disk was a thing. Activate Disk -> Chain of Vapor was a thing. White eventually got splashed for StP, Eternal dragon and Decree of Justice.

Goblin Lackey -> Goblin Recruiter playing Food Chain on turn 2 was a thing

Mishra's workshop -> Trinisphere was fun and sucked at the same time.

Bazaar of bagdad -> Worldgorger Dragon tore up shit with a mana source in play to make infinite slivers with Sliver Queen or kill with ambassador Laquatus.

Oh, and a new metagame deck tore up most of the tier 1, R/G Beatz manufactured by none other than our own 'Zilla here on mtgthesource.

[Karhumies]

Phyrexian Dreadnought, Dark Confidant, Progenitus and even Quirion Dryad would have been very high in this list a few years back, but times change...

Magus of the Moon, Griselbrand and Emrakul are all fine choices, in my opinion. They all have high game-changing potential, especially if landed on the table fast enough.

In my opinion, it's about time someone piloted a Moon effect deck (Imperial painter?) to a high finish. Goblin Welder and Phyrexian Revoker together in the same deck list can be awesome against some decks.

The fun submission:
Goblin Ski Patrol (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184690) - notice the rulings.

[ddt15]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/vi/80.jpg

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/sh/58.jpg

[DragoFireheart]

For raw beats and utility, Stoneforge mystic since the graveyard doesn't negatively affect her.

For pure power, Griselbrand.

For utility and weakening the opponents strategies, Deathrite Shaman.

[guybrush3]

Phyrexian Dreadnought, Dark Confidant, Progenitus and even Quirion Dryad would have been very high in this list a few years back, but times change...

Magus of the Moon, Griselbrand and Emrakul are all fine choices, in my opinion. They all have high game-changing potential, especially if landed on the table fast enough.

In my opinion, it's about time someone piloted a Moon effect deck (Imperial painter?) to a high finish. Goblin Welder and Phyrexian Revoker together in the same deck list can be awesome against some decks.

The fun submission:
Goblin Ski Patrol (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184690) - notice the rulings.

i think about u about the welder revoker

[Octopusman]

Phyrexian Dreadnought, Dark Confidant, Progenitus and even Quirion Dryad would have been very high in this list a few years back, but times change...

Magus of the Moon, Griselbrand and Emrakul are all fine choices, in my opinion. They all have high game-changing potential, especially if landed on the table fast enough.

In my opinion, it's about time someone piloted a Moon effect deck (Imperial painter?) to a high finish. Goblin Welder and Phyrexian Revoker together in the same deck list can be awesome against some decks.

The fun submission:
Goblin Ski Patrol (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184690) - notice the rulings.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Fdeck%2F1213

My vote Magus of the Moon or Delver.

[Lord Seth]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/vi/80.jpg

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/sh/58.jpgThey're not in Legacy. :wink:

[berksowl]

Has anyone said Thalia?

Thalia.

[aluisiocsantos]

Deathrite Shaman currently, for sure:
-Washes dishes
-Cleans up the room
-Cooks your dinner
-And is an elf

I'd say Griselbrand before DRS was printed.

[Finn]

Deathrite Shaman currently, for sure:
-Washes dishes
-Cleans up the room
-Cooks your dinner
-And is an elf

I'd say Griselbrand before DRS was printed.
Ah heck. I was going to vote for my wife, but you have raised that bar so high that...well now just forget it.