From the Vaults: Twenty

[Chikenbok]

The product was just announced on Pro Tour Gatecrash by Hill and Sutcliffe, and it was made to celebrate the twenty years of MtG.

Known facts:
- This product is packed with 20 cards instead of the traditional 15 cards from previous From the Vaults;
- The product is also going to feature a card from a winning deck from each year of Magic existence.

Release date: August 23, 2013
MSRP: $39,99
Product concept and develop team: Gavin Verhey and Jeremy Jarvis
Twitter Hashtag: #ftv20

All info taken from mtgsalvation, but it seems to be spreading (info wise) like wildfire -- 20 cards a pop, people claiming MoR to be confirmed.

Wonder how bad they can make this one...

[Julian23]

Mother of Runes? Now that's...unexciting. Mouth of Ronom anyone?

[WorstBandNameEver]

They are saying mom because of the art spoiled. Does not look like mom tomme at all.

[Barook]

- The product is also going to feature a card from a winning deck from each year of Magic existence.

That's pretty vague. Winning what? Worlds? Pro Tours?

[Chikenbok]

That's pretty vague. Winning what? Worlds? Pro Tours?

I believe they're referring to Worlds.

[Barook]

I believe they're referring to Worlds.

They could print 19 horrible cards and jam in a Jace, the Mind Sculptor and it would still sell like hotcakes.

I do expect lots of horrible stuff, though.

[Lemnear]

My bets 4 Reprints:

1994 Championship Deck:
-Swords to Plowshares (already FNM & Judge )
-Serra Angel (already Judge)
-Meekstone
-Stasis

1995 Championship Deck:
-Hymn to Tourarch
-Dark Ritual (already judge)
-Mind Twist (strong bet!)

1996 Championship Deck:
-Disenchant (already FNM)

1997 Championship Deck:
-Black Knight (already FNM)
-Incinerate

1998 Championship Deck:
-Recurring Nightmare (Top bet!)
-Survival of the Fittest (already Judge)

1999 Championship Deck:
-Temporal Aperture
-Cursed Scroll
-Grim Monolith

2000 Championship Deck:
-Tangle Wire
-Tinker (already FtV)
-Brainstorm (alread FNM)

2001 Championship Deck:
-Duress (already FNM)
-Dark Ritual (already Judge)
-Terminate

2002 Championship Deck:
-Counterspell (already FNM & Judge)
-Chainers Edict
-Psychatog (already FNM)
-Cunning Wish (already Judge)

2003 Championship Deck:
-Wrath of God (Players reward)
-Decree of Justice (already Judge)

2004 Championship Deck:
-Eternal Dragon (already Judge)
-Eternal Whitness (already FNM)
-Akromas Vengeance

2005 Championship Deck:
-Jitte (pro Tour)
-Yosei
-Kodama of the North Tree

2006 Championship Deck:
-Dragonstorm (FtV)

2007 Championship Deck:
-Thoughtseize
-Doran (FtV & textboxless)
-Tarmogoyf (Modern Masters Flagship)

2008 Championship Deck:
-Bitterblossom ( Judge)
-Cryptic Command (Judge)
-Mutavault (States promo)
-Thoughtseize

2009 Championship Deck:
-Noble Hierarch (Judge)
-Baneslayer Angel
-Ranger of Eos

2010 Championship Deck:
-Inquisition of Kozilek
-Jace TMS
-Grave Titan (Game)

2011 Championship Deck:
-Green Sun's Zenith
-Primeval Titan (gp)
-Inferno Titan
-Kessig Wolf Run



Just picked the MVP's Out of every years Deck which may Need a Reprint for the pricetag or because they Never saw a Promo

Edit: sure WotC can mess up the term with the championship and just Reprint 20 icons Out of 20 years that were in Decks that won a pro Tour, gp, worlds etc. and come up with Lots of crap. Pick your own: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_World_Championship#section_5

[Megadeus]

Dragonstorm already was in a FTV

[DLifshitz]

Wonder how bad they can make this one...

They could make it pretty good if they choose cards that are still playable today. At least by definition it's a product with tournament-quality cards. However, in June Modern Masters is coming out, and I expect this is where the Modern-era money cards will be.

By the way, it's another case of stuff getting reprinted in a short-run all-foil product. I wish they would take the hint from the success of RtR and reprint more cards in widely available sets, and not just as foils.

[Aggro_zombies]

Not to mention, Brainstorm, StP, Dark Ritual, Disenchant, Incinerate, Duress, Psychatog, Counterspell, Eternal Witness, and Cryptic Command all have promos of various stripes: FNM, Arena, textless foil, and so on.

Mutavault also has a promo but those are extremely rare, so I could see them doing that again.

However, the most recent cards complicate things because I imagine they'll want to avoid overlap with Modern Masters.

Also, I agree that the spoiled art does not look very Mother of Runes-y.

[Stoyrm]

Doesn't necessarily have to be worlds i assume, but PTs are fair to assume. If so; Wasteland, Force of Will, Rishadan Port. Oh god yes!


Still going to suck though, cause they are not going to print something actually good.

[Lemnear]

Mother of Runes was never in a World champion's Deck afaik. Dunno if Force of Will ever was Out of my head.



Not to mention, Brainstorm, StP, Dark Ritual, Disenchant, Incinerate, Duress, Psychatog, Counterspell, Eternal Witness, and Cryptic Command all have promos of various stripes: FNM, Arena, textless foil, and so on.


I agree, but most of the other cards are on the reserved List or drastically outdated

[Barook]

I agree, but most of the other cards are on the reserved List or drastically outdated
Outdated? That didn't hinder Wizards to put Desert into FTV: Realms.

I expect one money card, some okay value cards and the rest to be janky, "iconic" cards.

[Aggro_zombies]

Mother of Runes was never in a World champion's Deck afaik. Dunno if Force of Will ever was Out of my head.

I agree, but most of the other cards are on the reserved List or drastically outdated
Force and at least one other good card probably pays for the rest of the stuff they put in there. It would also give people the promo Force of Will they've been whining about wanting for years.

My assumption is they'll aim for iconic decks rather than limiting it to just World Champs decks. We could see stuff like Fires of Yavimaya, Circular Logic, Piledriver, Lin Sivvi, something from Pros Bloom, and so on. Force, Port, and Wasteland all represent money cards they could print that would make the set worth it, never mind the stuff in Modern with currently ridiculous price tags (Thoughtseize, I'm looking at you).

Desert was in FtV: Lands despite already having an FNM promo and being essentially a worthless card, so there is a small possibility they'd reprint a card in both Modern Masters and FtV: 20. It probably won't be something as splashy as Tarmogoyf, but who knows. This FtV can't be any worse than the Legends one.

[SaberTooth]

dark ritual foil textless plz

and 10 duals, and fow, and wasteland

[Esper3k]

The picture that was spoiled looked like it could be Psionic Blast to me.

[Barook]

If it was really a Mom, the blue energy balls in her hand would be the 5 colors of magic.

No idea what the card could be. Looks rather blue, though. Mystical Tutor, maybe?

[kicks_422]

She looks like Umbra Mystic to me, though I don't know which winning deck that came from.

[Lemnear]

The picture that was spoiled looked like it could be Psionic Blast to me.

Now that's a smart guess! No Chance the promo art is for FoW or mystical tutor. The aged woman fits for Mom which is possible but already saw a Reprint as FNM promo

[Koby]

I'd say there's a strong chance it's Mystical Tutor based on the blue color motifs (including the skull in bookcase = knowledge archetype), but since it's been printed in a FTV set already, I'm kind of stumped. Maybe Vampiric? Brainstorm?

[DrJones]

I'd say there's a strong chance it's Mystical Tutor based on the blue color motifs (including the skull in bookcase = knowledge archetype), but since it's been printed in a FTV set already, I'm kind of stumped. Maybe Vampiric? Brainstorm?

My bet is that it's Mystical tutor, but it might be any other blue tutor.

[kingtk3]

She could be an old Hanna casting Intuition...

[wcm8]

She could be an old Hanna casting Intuition...

Pretty sure that Intuition is on the reserved list.

[Barook]

Pretty sure that Intuition is on the reserved list.

It is (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy)

Makes me wonder if they can print any good, old stuff that doesn't suck, hold some value and isn't on the Reserved List.

[Fizzeler]

It is (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy)

Makes me wonder if they can print any good, old stuff that doesn't suck, hold some value and isn't on the Reserved List.

They can reprint Mana Drain

[wcm8]

This thing better not be 'the big gift' for MtG's 20th anniversary. A limited print run FtV set is a shitty way to say 'thank you' to playerbase that has made this possible. From the Vault Sets are really just a thank you to the retailers that make bank on overpricing them or using them as tournament fodder.

My hope is that they would print something along the lines of the following:
-Some sort of boxed set that is lavishly adorned, that might be a bit pricey, but is NOT a limited print-run (i.e. if you want to buy it, you can do so, and it's not going to get price-gouged over MSRP by your local game store)
-Maybe it would include a nicely bound book that has articles about MtG's history, interviews with the big names (designers, developers, players, artists, etc.) and plenty of pictures of behind-the-scenes sort of stuff
-Maybe include a special playmat, high quality deckbox, roll-down die, and other useful swag
-Include two 'duel decks' that are full of valuable/playable cards (e.g. Wasteland, FoW, Dark Confidant, etc.) that are a historical smorgasboard walk down memory lane, but still worthwhile for people who want to break them apart for the playables
-perhaps include some sort of loophole method of reprinting some old reserved list cards, at least as proxies for non-sanctioned Vintage/EDH purposes (e.g. gold-bordered Power and Dual Lands)

[PhilipJFry]

My personal, possibly not possible but selfishly I want them in foil, list:

Demonic Consultation
Elvish Spirit Guide
Mana Vault
Windfall
Tinder Wall

LIkelihood - very low. Maybe Mana Vault.

[RJM]

She could be an old Hanna casting Intuition...

PS That's Orim, not Hanna. ;)

[MightyPenguin007]

I'm hoping to see Rishadan Port, personally.

[nedleeds]

They could make it pretty good if they didn't print these things as dreadful looking new border foils that look like DuelMasters test prints

FTFY.

Nothing like reliving vintage era magic with Yu Ghi Oh looking foils ... how about 20 reprints all in old border with rich beta coloring and actual artwork from you know ... artists and not photoshop pilots.

</rant>

[xfxf]

FTFY.

Nothing like reliving vintage era magic with Yu Ghi Oh looking foils ... how about 20 reprints all in old border with rich beta coloring and actual artwork from you know ... artists and not photoshop pilots.

</rant>

Like.

[dunk]

She could be an old Hanna casting Intuition...

It's Control Magic.

[alphastryk]

It's Control Magic.

That would make a lot of sense.

[theillest]

...My hope is that they would print something along the lines of the following:
... NOT a limited print-run (i.e. if you want to buy it, you can do so, and it's not going to get price-gouged over MSRP by your local game store)
...
-Include two 'duel decks' that are full of valuable/playable cards (e.g. Wasteland, FoW, Dark Confidant, etc.)
...
-perhaps include some sort of loophole method of reprinting some old reserved list cards, at least as proxies for non-sanctioned Vintage/EDH purposes (e.g. gold-bordered Power and Dual Lands)

LoL@ fingers crossed for huge print runs of valuable cards. You should hope for something more realistic.

[twndomn]

guys, you Have To look at Track Record.

Wizard reprinted "From the Vault: Relic", and you get Sol Ring, that's where your expectation should be at, merely something for Commander to use.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=[%22From%20the%20Vault:%20Relics%22]

Reserved List: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy

The art from Wizard's announcement looks like Control Magic to me.

[Fizzeler]

Control Magic, was it ever in a Worlds or PT deck?

I know Opposition could be likely

Other Iconic Cards (that I know of anyway):
Mystical Teachings/Teferi, Mage Of Zhalfir/Cryptic Command (all probably in MM and Teferi was in Legends so unlikely)
Cruel Ultimatum
Jace, The Mindsculptor (why do I bet he is in here?)/Batterskull/Stoneforge Mystic
Arcbound Ravager (probably in MM, but we'll see)
Darksteel Colossus (Tooth And Nail is the deck I remember running this guy and Triskelion)
Vendilion Clique
Ancestral Visions
Upheaval/Psychatog
Mind's Desire/Mirari's Wake/Decree Of Justice
Vindicate/Pernicious Deed/Spiritmonger
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Dark Confidant
Emrakul, The Aeons Torn (I remember at the end of Zen/Scars there was a Summoning Trap/Polymorph deck with this guy and Blightsteel Colossus, then during Zen/Alara there were the Titan ramp decks that tried to cast him as fast as possible)

Are there any Iconic cards from Jund that would be added and haven't been reprinted recently? All I can think of is Maelstrom Pulse

[Dark Ritual]

It isn't going to be mystical tutor. I'd bet money that it isn't mystical tutor, because mystical tutor was already in FTV: Exiled and is still very cheap because it's banned in legacy and restricted in vintage. I could see it being control magic very easily. I don't see it being vampiric tutor, as that old lady doesn't look like a vampire at all and there is a distinct lack of black flavor in the picture besides that one skull in the background that most people don't even notice.

People, please stop suggesting reserved list cards. This isn't 2009. Recurring nightmare, survival, both are reserved. What will be reprinted from rec-sur? Honestly have no idea.

I hope dark ritual, swords to plowshares, and/or brainstorm are in here. That would be great, because foils are expensive or look pretty bad (dark ritual foils come in that ugly Guay art or in that new frame shit with incredibly bad art.) Brainstorm foils either look ugly because they have that FNM stamp or cost 100+ a pop. Not a fan. Swords to plowshares is in the same boat as brainstorm, except that the FNM promo version looks sexier than most other cards in existence.

But most of all, I hope for force of will in this set. Nothing comes particularly close. Foil FoW is long overdue, why not reprint it as a 20th anniversary gift?

Jace, the Mind Sculptor is a possibility. But WotC might just troll us with squadron hawk, celestial colonnade, or stoneforge mystic.

The expansion symbol looks funny though. Just a 20 in a circle, nice job.

[Barook]

Control Magic, was it ever in a Worlds or PT deck?
1994, so it's definitely a possibilty and most likely.

For the other years, possible reprints:

1993: unknown, no worlds

1994: Control Magic

1995 might be Hymn, maybe Hypnotic Specter or Dark Ritual

1996: StP, maybe Armageddon

1997: Hard to tell - Man-O-War, Nekraatal

1998: various things possible, most likely Tradewind Rider or one of the Spikes due to Reserve List

1999: Wildfire, since the rest is on the Reserve list and it was kind of essential for the deck

2000: Brainstorm, maybe Rishadan Port (Reserve List strikes again!)

2001: Dark Ritual (since it was the core of the deck, enabling "broken" plays and lead to Dark Ritual never to enter standard again), Duress (iconic) or Terminate

2002: Psychatog, maybe Fact or Fiction

2003: Mirari's Wake, Decree of Justice

2004: Astral Slide, Decree of Justice

2005: Jitte, Needle, Loxodon Hierarch (probably shit like Yosei or Vitu-Ghazi, though)

2006: Hard to tell - both Dragonstorm and Borgadan Hellkite appeared in other promo sets already, so maybe Seething Song? They need to troll the customers, after all.

2007: Doran, Treetop Village, Pendelhaven; wishful thinking: Tarmogoyf, Thoughtseize

2008: Spellstutter Sprite, Sower of Temptation, Bitterblossom; wishful thinking: Verdillion Clique, Thoughtseize

2009: Lightning Bolt, Wild Nacatl, Bloodbraid Elf, Baneslayer Angel

2010: Duress (unlikely), Inquisition of Kozilek, Mana Leak, (crosses fingers) Jace, the Mindsculptor

2011: Primeval Titan

2012: no idea, can't find a deck list

tl;dr: - likely choices include:

- ?
- Control Magic
- Hymn to Tourach
- StP
- Man-O-War / Nekraataal
- Tradewind Rider
- Wildfire
- Brainstorm
- Dark Ritual
- Psychatog
- Mirari's Wake
- Astral Slide
- Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
- Seething Song
- Doran, the Siege Tower
- Spellstutter Sprite
- Lightning Bolt
- Mana Leak
- Primeval Titan
- ?

Replace one of the last cards with either Tarmogoyf, Thoughtseize, Verdillion Clique or JMS as the cash card to justifiy this pile of cheap jank - probably Thoughseize, since it's in twice.

That list might be a tad bit pessimistic, but considering Wizards' troll levels, I DO expect something like that.

[TheArchitect]

- ?
- Control Magic
- Hymn to Tourach
- StP
- Man-O-War / Nekraataal
- Tradewind Rider
- Wildfire
- Brainstorm
- Dark Ritual
- Psychatog
- Mirari's Wake
- Astral Slide
- Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
- Seething Song
- Doran, the Siege Tower
- Spellstutter Sprite
- Lightning Bolt
- Mana Leak
- Primeval Titan
- ?

Replace one of the last cards with either Tarmogoyf, Thoughtseize, Verdillion Clique or JMS as the cash card to justifiy this pile of cheap jank - probably Thoughseize, since it's in twice.

That list might be a tad bit pessimistic, but considering Wizards' troll levels, I DO expect something like that.

That seems pretty realistic. I think we can expect something like that list. Although they do always have one card that "sells it". Maze of ith, mox diamond, P3K legends, etc. Im guessing that card is going to be thoughtseize or Jace. Thoughtseize since they want modern to be cheaper (although we can also expect that in modern masters). Or jace because, as trollish as WotC is, he is good in EDH as well as legacy (like they care), but Zen and beyond and modern banned cards won't be in modern masters, so it's probably they only chance to reprint him unless they do FTV: planeswalkers.

[Barook]

That seems pretty realistic. I think we can expect something like that list. Although they do always have one card that "sells it". Maze of ith, mox diamond, P3K legends, etc. Im guessing that card is going to be thoughtseize or Jace. Thoughtseize since they want modern to be cheaper (although we can also expect that in modern masters). Or jace because, as trollish as WotC is, he is good in EDH as well as legacy (like they care), but Zen and beyond and modern banned cards won't be in modern masters, so it's probably they only chance to reprint him unless they do FTV: planeswalkers.
Thoughtseize could very well be reprinted in Modern Masters, just like Verdillion Clique, Goyf is already confirmed.

JMS seems unrealistic and I don't think Wizards has the balls to reprint him, especially as a foil, considering a copy is like 500$ right now. The price for a single FTV box would easily raise to 250+$, just because of that.

[TheArchitect]

Thoughtseize could very well be reprinted in Modern Masters, just like Verdillion Clique, Goyf is already confirmed.

JMS seems unrealistic and I don't think Wizards has the balls to reprint him, especially as a foil, considering a copy is like 500$ right now. The price for a single FTV box would easily raise to 250+$, just because of that.

I would think that Clique and Thoughtseize have got to be there if goyf is.

Your probably right about jace, it just seems like a now or never kind of situation though. He's not the kind of card they would just throw in a duel deck or something. I'm still confident that there will be at least one $30+ card in there though. That money card will probably be an EDH staple, since modern masters should cover modern stuff, and they don't care about legacy (or the cool stuff is reserved).

[Lemnear]

- Control Magic
- Hymn to Tourach
- StP
- Man-O-War / Nekraataal
- Tradewind Rider
- Wildfire
- Brainstorm
- Dark Ritual
- Psychatog
- Mirari's Wake
- Astral Slide
- Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree
- Seething Song
- Doran, the Siege Tower
- Spellstutter Sprite
- Lightning Bolt
- Mana Leak
- Primeval Titan
- ?

Replace one of the last cards with either Tarmogoyf, Thoughtseize, Verdillion Clique or JMS as the cash card to justifiy this pile of cheap jank - probably Thoughseize, since it's in twice.

That list might be a tad bit pessimistic, but considering Wizards' troll levels, I DO expect something like that.

Erm ... Foiled StP, Hymn, Ritual and Brainstorm are pretty OPTIMISTIC imo considering the pricetag of foil BS, DR and StP atm. However, I consider those icons of the games History because every player knows them and they are present for more a decade

[Barook]

Erm ... Foiled StP, Hymn, Ritual and Brainstorm are pretty OPTIMISTIC imo considering the pricetag of foil BS, DR and StP atm. However, I consider those icons of the games History because every player knows them and they are present for more a decade
StP came just out as Judge Foil, so you might be right.

Foil Hymn is a very good candidate, though, as it doesn't exist yet. And I can see them rather printing a foil BS than a foil Rishadan Port from the 2000 Worlds deck - the rest is just too janky or on the Reserve List.

[titus]

This thing better not be 'the big gift' for MtG's 20th anniversary. A limited print run FtV set is a shitty way to say 'thank you' to playerbase that has made this possible. From the Vault Sets are really just a thank you to the retailers that make bank on overpricing them or using them as tournament fodder.

My hope is that they would print something along the lines of the following:
[....]
-Maybe it would include a nicely bound book that has articles about MtG's history, interviews with the big names (designers, developers, players, artists, etc.) and plenty of pictures of behind-the-scenes sort of stuff
[...]

Fear not, although I don't know what Wizards have planned, I am writing something similar to this and already have many big name interviews done. Keep your eyes peeled in August - it will probably be self-published first with a paper edition to follow, if the gods are kind :)

As to FTV: 20 - I really can't think we are going to be anything other than disappointed due, of course, to the restricted list. It is no celebration of the history of the game when you can't reprint its most iconic cards and revive the formats that tell the game's story. Best we can hope for is Force or Drain. And I certainly wouldn't count on both :/

[imnotbrown]

Simple Answer: Squadron Hawk.

[Barook]

Simple Answer: Squadron Hawk.
As dominating as it was, it didn't win any Worlds.

[imnotbrown]

As dominating as it was, it didn't win any Worlds.

Oops, my bad. I could've sworn U/W control had. If you don't mind my asking, as my internet is partially blocked, what did win that year?

[Barook]

Oops, my bad. I could've sworn U/W control had. If you don't mind my asking, as my internet is partially blocked, what did win that year?

2010 had U/B control, 2011 (post-bans) had R/G Titan Ramp.

Also see here (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_World_Championship#section_20).

[nedleeds]

As to FTV: 20 - I really can't think we are going to be anything other than disappointed due, of course, to the restricted list.

This is such a cop out and load of horse shit. They've gone out and printed whole new cards for boxed products (see: PC2012, Commander), there are 50 different playable legacy and vintage cards that have moderate value and could be printed (sadly in foil) to give the set some value to somebody (some modern, some legacy, some EDH, some neckbearded casuals). Some of the stuff will appeal to foil zealots also, e.g. Hymn or Mana Vault even though they look like warm ass it will let them scratch a non-foil out of their decks.

- Mana Drain
- Wasteland
- Force of Will
- Rishidan Port
- Mana Vault
- Misdirection
- Tarmogoyf
- Blood Moon
- Imperial Seal
- Show and Tell ( :confused: though making this chimp deck any easier to obtain might get it banned )
- Demonic Tutor
- City of Brass
- Hymn to Tourach
- <some stupid 6+ mana creature>
- Stasis :wink:

Hell there would be people happy to see Dark Ritual ...

[GnuHouse]

Alright, so I've gone and gathered up all the World Champion decks, and most of the PT winning decks (still missing a few), and came up with this

1994 - Stasis
1995 - Hymn to Tourach
1996 - Millstone
1997 - Drain Life
1998 - Windfall or Stroke of Genius
1999 - Oath of Druids
2000 - Lin Sivvi
2001 - Force of Will
2002 - ????
2003 - Astral Slide
2004 - Disciple of the Vault (iffy on this one since I think it was an SB card for a sealed pool)
2005 - Psychatog
2006 - Jitte
2007 - ?????
2008 - Bitterblossom
2009 - Cruel Ultimatium
2010 - Bloodbraid Elf
2011 - Jace, the Mind Sculptor OR Stoneforge Mystic
2012 - Kessig Wolf Run OR Entreat the Angels
2013 - Too early to tell

Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiTjYGeWTnX_dDVrRjU1S0QteXJpZ01DNHF5LXUzdlE&usp=sharing) and rationale (http://tryingtogoinfinite.blogspot.ca/2013/02/more-ftv20-madness.html).

Missing the following PT decks, so if anyone can help a brother out....
1997 - NY, LA, Mainz
1998 - Chicago, NY, LA (I have Rome, just haven't updated the spreadsheet yet)
1999 - London
2000 - New York
2005 - Seattle, Atlanta

[joemauer]

I suspect it to be something along the lines of 19 basic Islands(the card has been pretty good for the past 20 years) and a Thoughtseize as the money card. This may be too optimistic though as the chase card could be something more worthless like Stoneforge Mystic.

If you don't expect much from WotC then you won't be let down.

[Megadeus]

19 Basic Islands might make it too expensive.

[wcm8]

Joking aside, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 of the cards are basic lands, making this set more like a typical FtV with 15 'actual' cards. Perhaps we could get 5 full-art lands with nice frames and the classic Alpha/Beta art.

[TsumiBand]

Star City Games might buy them all, offering double the MSRP and then just sell the singles, which might make it too expensive.

ftfy. SCG > Islands

[Barook]

@GnuHouse: Now that we have some cards, you list isn't too shabby. What's the golden color for?

Although nobody would have guessed Impulse.

[Ozymandias]

@GnuHouse: Now that we have some cards, you list isn't too shabby. What's the golden color for?

Although noboy would have guessed Impulse.

Impulse replaces the Drain Life slot in GnuHouse's list, because it was in ProsBloom as well.

[Higgs]

God forbid that they also print FoW, in foil, with JtMS... I don't know if the market can handle this only months after the Modern Masters hysteria.

[Barook]

God forbid that they also print FoW, in foil, with JtMS... I don't know if the market can handle this only months after the Modern Masters hysteria.

It would be hilarious if that happened. We could easily go into the 1000$ region per box if they did that.

[Gheizen64]

Yeah, and forces will remain as expensive as they always have been anyway.