Show and Tell hate?

[esqulax]

I am not sure if this is the correct forum, if not please move it.


I was wondering if someone would help me find the best Sideboard answer to Show and Tell that can be fetched with Enlightened Tutor. The card needs to hit both Emrakul and Omniscience

The card can be something that is put into play by the Show and Tell. So far the only Cards I have been able to come up with are Oblivion Ring, Spine of Ish Sah and Exclusion Ritual, but I was wondering if there wasn't something better.

[kingtk3]

confusion in the ranks and Conjured Currency are also viable options

[KazinMtg]

I think O ring and Detention Sphere are your best bets.

[slave]

I like SPine of Ish sah, as it goes back to your hand if/when it dies.

What other colours are you running besides white?
Counter and discard are still the best option to get rid of Show, then extract that bastard.
But if you're mono-white you've got access to one of the only Show answers that is usuable for others stuff too, in O-ring.

There are heaps of answers out there, but depending on the matchup, the cards available aren't always a straight hoser.
Karakas, Maze of Ith, Ensnaring Bridge, Humility, Red Elemental Blast, O-ring, Kederekt Leviathan, Angel of Despair etc.
There are options.

[Kuma]

I'd personally run something with applications outside the matchup like Flusterstorm or Envelop. There are too many weird decks in the format to board something like Confusion in the Ranks.

[Kich867]

Oblivion Ring
Humility

Those are your best options. Also, it'd be more helpful to know what colors you're running besides white.

[Mr. Safety]

O-Ring is the best one that deals with both, but if you're doing Reanimator or Hypergenesis then Angel of Despair can be a great weapon, too. Ensnaring Bridge is especially good against the fatty plan and Gaddock Teeg shuts off the Petals of Insight/storm win.

Honestly, Show and Tell decks are really weak to discard, too. Thoughtseize and a Liliana of the Veil go a long ways to shutting them down cold.

[Sigar]

Venser, Shaper Savant

[georgjorge]

If you want something tutorable you can actually cast and bring in for other matchups, it doesn't get better than Oblivion Ring. But if you REALLY want to beat Show and Tell and don't mind playing narrow cards in order to do so, then go for Confiscate (which even gets around the new sideboard tech of Stifle) and beat them with their own cards.

[crow_mw]

I am confused with some replies here. Maze of Ith does you no good against Emrakul, as Anihilator trigger still resolves, no? Confiscate is an aura and as such requires a target so I don't think it works against show and tell as well...

[Fatal]

It works good:


303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player’s control by any means other than by
resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn’t specify the object
or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the
battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura’s enchant
ability and any other applicable effects.

Good question is - are they any window to draw 7 between S&T and take control with it by consfiscate.

[pavlaugh]

Good question is - are they any window to draw 7 between S&T and take control with it by consfiscate.

I'm no judge, but I would think not as nothing Confiscate does goes on the stack.

[Esper3k]

It works good:



Good question is - are they any window to draw 7 between S&T and take control with it by consfiscate.

If you're dropping it in off of Show & Tell, you can't grab the thing they're dropping in since it's an "As it enters the battlefield" effect.

Just like Clone effects, the game checks the state right before the Confiscate ETB, which their Griselbrand/Emrakul/Omniscience isn't in play yet.

[Fatal]

http://www.mtgnews.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=64674&p=1044001#p1044001

Translate answer from L2 Judge:

It doesn't work since Confiscate have to choose legal permanent to attach (I don't use word target since it's not targeting) before it enter to the battlefield similar like Clone effects. Also there is not priority between resolved S&T and choosing legal permanent to attach.

[Julian23]

Ethersworn Canonist while not the best dedicated Show and Tell hate, is one of the best splash-damaging things you can side in against basically any S&T Deck besides the ones that evolve around Sneak Attack. Omniscience, Dream Halls, Hive Mind all fold to him and give you one more turn to kill them or their enchantment. Maybe even more.

[Shawon]

Ethersworn Canonist while not the best dedicated Show and Tell hate, is one of the best splash-damaging things you can side in against basically any S&T Deck besides the ones that evolvearound Sneak Attack. Omniscience, Dream Halls, Hive Mind all fold to him and give you one more turn to kill them or their enchantment. Maybe even more.

This. I run 3 MD Canonist in my Esper Affinity deck, and the 4th in the SB. It's great against any deck with cantrips (ala sorcery speed) because Canonist just requires the opponent to decide if they have the luxury to spend an entire turn just to cast one cantrip or deploy a threat or combo.

As someone playing Affinity against S&T, and losing numerous times, I have a done of a lot of my own playtesting to determine what cards I could run to give me a positive matchup.

This is my Affinity list:

4 [MR] Seat of the Synod
4 [DS] Darksteel Citadel
4 [HOP] Ancient Den
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
4 [MR] Vault of Whispers
3 [SOM] Etched Champion
4 [M11] Ornithopter
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [SOM] Memnite
4 [ALA] Master of Etherium
3 [NPH] Vault Skirge
3 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
4 [MR] Thoughtcast
2 [FD] Cranial Plating
4 [SOM] Mox Opal
4 [LRW] Springleaf Drum
2 [FD] Paradise Mantle
1 [DS] Leonin Bola
1 [NPH] Batterskull
SB: 1 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 [MBS] Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
SB: 2 [SOM] Vedalken Certarch
SB: 3 [M12] Oblivion Ring
SB: 3 [ZEN] Mindbreak Trap
SB: 4 [DKA] Grafdigger's Cage

I love Leonin Bola in this deck. Not only does the card allows me to neutralize huge fatties, but it's an out I can use versus Show and Tell that conveniently stops Sneak Attack! Furthermore, if I have a Stoneforge Mystic in my hand and my opponent S&T's an Emrakul, I can play SFM and fetch a Bola to effectively neutralize the Emrakul.

And that's just MD. Post-SB, Vedalken Certarch can do the same job as Bola, except they can mimic Rishadan Ports and prevent the S&T opponent from finding mana to go off. Needless to say, O-Ring is pretty effective on its own.

Currently, I'm pondering whether to try Blind Obedience over O-Ring. It has both advantages and disadvantages over O-Ring in terms of the S&T matchup. With Blind Obedience, I can neutralize an Emrakul or Griselbrand a turn or even Omniscience + Emrakul, which may be enough for me to deliver a fatal alpha strike. On the other hand, if they just S&T an Omniscience and try to combo me out with Burning Wish, then I will be dead on the spot. Another advantage is that O-Ring doesn't stop Sneak Attack if they have :r: leftover to 'sneak' an Emrakul, while Blind Obedience completely neuters Sneak Attack. I guess running Blind Obedience comes down to whether you know someone or the meta has Omni decks. Then again, I also do run Canonist to stop the Omni+Burning Wish nonsense.

[Esper3k]

With Blind Obedience, I can neutralize an Emrakul or Griselbrand a turn or even Omniscience + Emrakul, which may be enough for me to deliver a fatal alpha strike. On the other hand, if they just S&T an Omniscience and try to combo me out with Burning Wish, then I will be dead on the spot. Another advantage is that O-Ring doesn't stop Sneak Attack if they have :r: leftover to 'sneak' an Emrakul, while Blind Obedience completely neuters Sneak Attack. I guess running Blind Obedience comes down to whether you know someone or the meta has Omni decks. Then again, I also do run Canonist to stop the Omni+Burning Wish nonsense.

1) Blind Obedience doesn't do anything against Omniscience + Emrakul. They play Emrakul, comes into play tapped... then untap and attack with Emrakul on the extra turn.

2) Blind Obedience does not completely neuter Sneak Attack. SA has the Waylay trick available to it meaning they can Sneak Attack in a creature at your end step then untap and attack on their turn. Blind Obedience will slow them down a turn, but it won't stop it.

[Shawon]

1) Blind Obedience doesn't do anything against Omniscience + Emrakul. They play Emrakul, comes into play tapped... then untap and attack with Emrakul on the extra turn.

2) Blind Obedience does not completely neuter Sneak Attack. SA has the Waylay trick available to it meaning they can Sneak Attack in a creature at your end step then untap and attack on their turn. Blind Obedience will slow them down a turn, but it won't stop it.

1) Forgot about the 'extra turn.'

2) Forgot about Waylaying. I guess I will stick to the tricks I already have! Thanks!

[Barook]

Blind Obedience would work with Meekstone, though.

[Koby]

Playing Hypergenesis decks is a damn good way to make Show & Tell not matter at all.
Playing your own Emrakuls and Griselbrands also makes other Show & Tell decks the stainz.