MTGO Legacy questions [Archive]

Rune

03-13-2013, 09:03 AM

Generally they only fire if there is a big Legacy event coming up (GP or MOCS), but they have been firing every day for over a month now, so it might have changed. They recently gave out promo FoWs, which created a lot of excitement about the format. You can follow event results at the bottom of this page http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening

The competition is going to be better than in RL, because you have pro players and grinders from all over the world joining the events. People also prefer to play their fun/casual decks in the "tournament practice" or "just for fun" rooms, so you'll rarely be paired against a ham sandwich in the dailies.

bkemke

03-13-2013, 11:06 AM

Awesome, thanks! This is all good news.

pryite199

03-13-2013, 11:17 AM

Also it has been announced that we will be getting Vintage sometime this year (no timeline announced yet just that its this year). So we make pick up a few extra players from that, or it might be something your interested in since some of the staples are the same.

AEnesidem

03-13-2013, 11:35 AM

bkemke

03-13-2013, 11:51 AM

I've looked into it, a lot of cards are 'reasonable'. JTMS is about $50, Force are about $75 and blue duals are about $25.

Personally, I would avoid likely Modern Masters reprints like Goyf, Thoughseize, and Bob since MM will have unlimited print run online.

LOurs

03-13-2013, 12:04 PM

Also, other recent news about modo :
- each mtgo MOCS winner will receive an invitation for a Pro Tour
- there will be Grand Prix Trials on modo, so winning some bye online will be possible

(source : http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/237c)

No idea if this could have any influence on your choice as it doesnt involve only Legacy format, but it seems relevant though.

Koby

03-13-2013, 12:31 PM

If i may ask a question. How is the price of legacy staples on MTGO? i'm interested in starting on MTGO but i'm not willing to invest as much in it as i did in paper magic. How do the MTGO prices compare to paper magic's?

Generally, MTGO is cheaper than Paper. FoW is slightly more expensive, but the duals and fetches are significantly cheaper (Delta is max at 18 tix). Lion's Eye Diamond is very expensive compared to Paper - but then again, the other pieces are cheaper.

You can check the major bot chain prices at www.cardbotmtgo.com and www.supernovabots.com/prices_0.txt. Keep in mind these are not the best prices you can find, but rather as a guide.

Barook

03-13-2013, 04:38 PM

I might get started again later that year, so I have quite a few questions:

Has the interface become any better (be it normal or beta client)? I played a bit of Extended during the Ravnica time and I hated this user-unfriendly PoS with a passion.

Generally, MTGO is cheaper than Paper. FoW is slightly more expensive, but the duals and fetches are significantly cheaper (Delta is max at 18 tix). Lion's Eye Diamond is very expensive compared to Paper - but then again, the other pieces are cheaper.

You can check the major bot chain prices at www.cardbotmtgo.com and www.supernovabots.com/prices_0.txt. Keep in mind these are not the best prices you can find, but rather as a guide.

What's the best way to aquire cards? Buy them online via third-party sites?

Trade them for tix? If so, should you get the low value cards from bots in bulks to minimize the loss when trading for tix? What's the best way to aquire tix? Buy them from third-party sites (if cheaper) or from Wizards (note that as a European, the VAT might be relevant).

Koby

03-13-2013, 04:44 PM

I might get started again later that year, so I have quite a few questions:

Has the interface become any better (be it normal or beta client)? I played a bit of Extended during the Ravnica time and I hated this user-unfriendly PoS with a passion.

I think it's OK right now with v3, but it looks & feels worse with v4. Buyer beware!

What's the best way to aquire cards? Buy them online via third-party sites?
If you're buying in with cash, then www.mtgotraders.com offers the same prices as CardBot but gives you the option to make the order on their website with some discounts if paying with PayPal. PM me for a discount code (~8%)

Trade them for tix? If so, should you get the low value cards from bots in bulks to minimize the loss when trading for tix? What's the best way to aquire tix? Buy them from third-party sites (if cheaper) or from Wizards (note that as a European, the VAT might be relevant).

There are some better ways to acquire tickets. If you have high VAT, then you can find people selling tix (checkout MOTL). WotC should likely be the last resort, as paying 20% VAT is not very good value when tix go in the unsecured market for roughly 0.95$/tix.

xfxf

03-13-2013, 05:11 PM

Koby

03-13-2013, 05:33 PM

How are they going to introduce P9, is it going to be feasible do you guys think to get into Vintage online? I might just get MTGO solely for Vintage with the hopes of finding more frequent events with more players.

Mums the word. We have no clue how they plan to distribute P9 on MTGO at this time. This worries me, considering the only mention of its release was "sometime in 2013".

slave

03-13-2013, 05:52 PM

I got turned off by MGTO a while back. I'm not a competition type on MGTO, more of a casual gamer...
Problem I found, is that most of the time the only opponents I could get were Vintage players, as Legacy wasn't anywhere near as popular the times I was getting on there.
I would go to play my legacy-legal deck to get killed by a Bazaar of Baghdad deck on turn 1, game after game after game. Boring....:mad:

Has it changed?
has Legacy gotten more popular?

Icapica

03-13-2013, 05:59 PM

While Legacy isn't exactly huge, events do fire quite regularly and I've been in a couple of 8 player tournaments too. You can usually get an opponent for a single match pretty quickly.

markbris

03-13-2013, 08:18 PM

At night here in the central time zone there might not be many games going on in the practice room but theres certainly enough that you can get a game whenever you want virtually without waiting. The decks I have seen mostly are normal decks and not the crap you would get on cockatrice.

I actually started about a month ago strictly because the prices weren't bad and i finally had some money to do it but with kids now its really hard to get out of the house on a weeknight to go play. sure I can get away for a big SCG event or something but thats like 2-3 times a year.

When you look at MTGO I can get the deck cheaper for the most part, especially all the staples like fetches and duals, and I can play a bunch of times a week against good competition for the most part. Consider that against spending more for paper and only getting to play once a week at a small local tourney that I have to drive to and back and only to get play a few rounds and possibly against garbage budget decks. MTGO seemed like a good choice.

The daily events have been firing for weeks now, its usually 16 people the bare minimum but thats better than most local tourneys I bet especially in smaller areas and you can do it several times a week. Its also great if you have the same deck in paper as you can get in alot of actual legacy testing against decks you would expect to play in an SCG event.

I hope more people get into it, it would be great.

bkemke

03-14-2013, 12:10 AM

Alright, this is all great input. I'm buying in!

LOurs

03-14-2013, 05:51 AM

Also the 2men tourny format is pretty handy as it provides a good way to test your deck in a competitive atmosphere : it cost 2 tix, and almost insures that you will play a real 2/3 rounds match.
It doesnt mean your opponent's deck would belong to the Tier 1 though, but there are few quiter thank to the buy-in, even if it is indeed very affordable. It is a kinda russian roulette match, but still provides good learning to prepare bigger event. And these 2men fires quite often.

Icapica

03-14-2013, 05:44 PM

I'm now playing the first round in an event where we got 19 players. It's the first time I've seen more than the minimum 16.

Julian23

03-14-2013, 05:59 PM

Back in the days we had much larger MODO Legacy events, like 50+ people. I'm pretty positive this will come back at some point.

Koby

03-14-2013, 06:01 PM

Back in the days we had much larger MODO Legacy events, like 50+ people. I'm pretty positive this will come back at some point.

I think with the introduction of Dual lands as MOCS prizes, we'll likely see a return to larger tournaments. It would also help to run more Legacy flavored MOCS events.

bkemke

03-14-2013, 06:36 PM

Great point Koby. Savannah is the prize for Mar. 20 - Apr. 17:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/12182012c

yutang

03-15-2013, 10:02 PM

Hi

What time are the MTGO Legacy dailies held? I live in Australia and its normally hard to find time to play legacy normally. Would be great if I could play online

Barook

03-16-2013, 12:50 AM

Water_Wizard

03-16-2013, 01:25 AM

While logging in on my old account, I found the following items:

Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning
Premium Deck Series: Slivers
Shards of Alara Block Booster Pack (Premium Foil)

Where those given out for free at some point? If so, should I crack them open or trade them?

They were given out for free based upon the date-of-creation of your MTGO account for the 10th Anniversary of MTGO.

You can try to sell them, but the last time I checked, Fire & Lightning was the only one worth anything and it was going for about 2 tickets.

Water_Wizard

03-16-2013, 01:27 AM

Barook

03-16-2013, 01:37 AM

They were given out for free based upon the date-of-creation of your MTGO account for the 10th Anniversary of MTGO.

You can try to sell them, but the last time I checked, Fire & Lightning was the only one worth anything and it was going for about 2 tickets.
Well, it does have Grim Lavamancer in it.

Oh well, time to crack then.

BlackFlameAshura

03-17-2013, 11:25 PM

Well, it does have Grim Lavamancer in it.

Oh well, time to crack then.

You can get more off bots reasonably cheap to get playsets. I think I picked up some spares to round out my sets (I got two free ones) and they cost me 3 tix each. I picked up some more Graveborns too since I was working on putting together my friend's Reanimator deck. Including the one I got for free, I paid about 16.5 tix for my set of those. You still need to pick up some other stuff on the side, but to get some of the core staples their respective decks need, they're pretty damn nice, all things considered.

As for MTGO staples in general, the majority of the cards you're looking at are certainly far and away cheaper. There are a few notable exceptions (LED and Tangle Wire are very expensive while FOW, SnT, and Wasteland are all about on-par with their offline counterparts) but generally it's all cheaper. Duals cap at 30, Candelabras are 10, Karakas is 3 but can be picked up way cheaper, you get the idea. A few commons are a bit more expensive like Cloud of Faeries and Daze because of Pauper being a popular format online, but overall it's not too bad in terms of expense.

I first tried Affinity last summer but the support was just never there. Since they gave away FOW as the January promo, however, the interest has spiked and events are firing pretty consistently these days.

pryite199

03-18-2013, 08:54 PM

Earlier in this thread, posters mentioned: 1) a 'Modern Masters' release on MTGO containing cards like Tarmogoyf, Thoughtseize, and Dark Confidant, and 2) the release of the Power Nine on MTGO 'sometime in 2013.'

Would someone kindly provide more information about these product releases. If possible, could you link to an official WotC article?

Thank you,

Water_Wizard

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1086
Is the modern masters release since its a GP format we can expect it to be released inj a similar time frame to paper.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/223b
is the announcement for P9 on MTGO sadly the only information (you want the paragraph at the very bottom separate from the cube info) is that we will be getting them before the end of 2013, no how, no exact when or even why.

Water_Wizard

03-20-2013, 03:14 AM

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1086
Is the modern masters release since its a GP format we can expect it to be released inj a similar time frame to paper.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/223b
is the announcement for P9 on MTGO sadly the only information (you want the paragraph at the very bottom separate from the cube info) is that we will be getting them before the end of 2013, no how, no exact when or even why.

Thank you so much!

Freggle

03-20-2013, 11:51 PM

I just bought in, and I'm having a lot of fun!

bkemke

03-21-2013, 10:40 AM

Bought in a few days ago, you can find me as UnitOne online if you want to playtest!

BlackFlameAshura

03-21-2013, 10:57 AM

I just bought in, and I'm having a lot of fun!

Bought in a few days ago, you can find me as UnitOne online if you want to playtest!

Good to see more people! Me and my friend tried playing last night but the 4-round wasn't able to fire. We got up to 9 (need 16 to start) so the more people on and playing, the better. While I have a BFA account, you can find me at girman.

Freggle

03-21-2013, 11:07 AM

Good to see more people! Me and my friend tried playing last night but the 4-round wasn't able to fire. We got up to 9 (need 16 to start) so the more people on and playing, the better. While I have a BFA account, you can find me at girman.

Bought in a few days ago, you can find me as UnitOne online if you want to playtest!
I only have one deck, but I'd like to test it against the field. I bought into my Helm-chant-Rest (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?24692-Developmental-Enchantress-with-Rest-In-Peace-Helm) on the cheap ($160.) If i like it I'll consider more expensive decks (like :u: TinFins) for serious testing. So far so good.

BlackFlameAshura

03-21-2013, 11:15 AM

I only have one deck, but I'd like to test it against the field. I bought into my Helm-chant-Rest (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?24692-Developmental-Enchantress-with-Rest-In-Peace-Helm) on the cheap ($160.) If i like it I'll consider more expensive decks (like :u: TinFins) for serious testing. So far so good.

I've only got one as well but I'm getting real close to finishing another or two. I've got a sorta bad Reanimator build right now but it's getting there. Just picked up my first FOW yesterday (traded my Tarm for it which was just collecting dust in my collection and not being played)

bkemke

03-21-2013, 12:15 PM

BlackFlameAshura

03-21-2013, 12:30 PM

I just bought my favorite - Stoneblade. I've played in 2 Legacy dailies so far with fair results (1-2, 2-2) but I hope to get practice and improve.

There seems like a decent interest and the prize structure is pretty good - 3 QPs and like 14 packs for 4-0. 1 QP and 9 packs for 3-1 is a decent return on 6 tickets.

For those who love this format and take it serious, I think this a great way to express it!

Definitely. I played standard last year and used to grind dailies and it was pretty awesome until the format became over saturated with Delver. But I was playing Tempered Steel since my plan was to convert it into Affinity, which I did, and Modern was fun for a bit but then Stony Silence decided to make me hate my life along with Izzet Staticaster. Real good prizes for what you're getting, especially since you can just sell the packs to bots and use your excess tickets for more singles.

Maro_

03-26-2013, 08:14 AM

I started with Legacy about 1 month ago and play mostly in Tournament Practice.
I don't feed too confident with my plays mostly because I'm still not sure what type of deck i like most so I try all of them and play-test before starting some Daily runs.

TinFins
Reanimator
UW / UWr Counterbalance / Helm
Omnitell
Shardless BUG
RUG Tempo
Esper Stoneblade

If You want to play-test with me, and don't have a problem with grammatical/linguistic errors, feel free to message: Maro_

I hope that MTGO will see more Legacy players, its a great format and I want to be a part of it
:)

bkemke

03-26-2013, 09:18 AM

Sure, I'll look you up! You can find me online as UnitOne

.dk

03-26-2013, 11:49 AM

I've also just bought in to MTGO. Been playing in tournament practice mostly to get used to the interface lately. Hopefully my schedule will align to start hitting some dailies now and then.

/edit: find me on MTGO: beanaman

DragoFireheart

03-26-2013, 12:39 PM

If I buy a MTGO card, can I redeem it later as a physical copy?

I'm assuming the answer is no to things like Underground Sea and what not.

jarvisyu

03-26-2013, 01:16 PM

If I buy a MTGO card, can I redeem it later as a physical copy?

I'm assuming the answer is no to things like Underground Sea and what not.

There's a list of sets that can be redeemed somewhere on mtgonline.com.

In short, it's only recent sets really.

DragoFireheart

03-26-2013, 01:32 PM

There's a list of sets that can be redeemed somewhere on mtgonline.com.

In short, it's only recent sets really.

Another reason to not do MTGO for Legacy.

Koby

03-26-2013, 01:36 PM

If I buy a MTGO card, can I redeem it later as a physical copy?

I'm assuming the answer is no to things like Underground Sea and what not.

Not exactly. Only sets released that are legal in Standard are eligible for redemption, provided you collect a complete set of each set. Thus, you would need all 249 cards from Ravnica, then redeem for sealed Set from WotC's factory, which includes paying a processing and handling fee (between 5-25$ fee + shipping)

Another reason to not do MTGO for Legacy.

To be fair, you've never liked Legacy to begin with. The prices of cards online are much easier to flip back to tix than paper copies, where dealers will buy at 50-60% value and sell them back to you at 110% retail. On MTGO, those margins are less than 10% of its sell cost.

Example:
Lion's Eye Diamond
MTGO -- Buy: 102 tix, Sell: 112 tix, Margin: 8.93% profit
Paper -- Buy: $50, Sell: $79.99, Margin: 37.5% profit (SCG prices)

DragoFireheart

03-26-2013, 01:43 PM

To be fair, you've never liked Legacy to begin with.

This is simply false. There are things I don't like about Legacy, but to say that equates me never liking Legacy is just a blatant lie. Therefore, you aren't being fair.

Freggle

03-26-2013, 08:00 PM

Another reason to not do MTGO for Legacy.

Although I may still be in the honeymoon phase buying in for me was an an excellent decision. The competition is of top quality and the ability to test day or night is amazing.

I had a great deal of apprehension about buying in, but now I feel like i'm getting every penny out of my investment.

Strangely having cards in paper almost seems like more of a detriment now. They can get damaged, stolen, misplaced... You have to organize them and find room for all of them. You want to test a card you might have to walk around the house looking for it or make a janky proxy. You have to fight traffic or travel long distances to go to big events. With MTGO a lot of that goes away. For me it's not a 100% replacement, but it sure is a nice supplement.

Find me anytime: Freggle

Water_Wizard

03-30-2013, 04:54 AM

Although I may still be in the honeymoon phase buying in for me was an an excellent decision. The competition is of top quality and the ability to test day or night is amazing.

I had a great deal of apprehension about buying in, but now I feel like i'm getting every penny out of my investment.

Strangely having cards in paper almost seems like more of a detriment now. They can get damaged, stolen, misplaced... You have to organize them and find room for all of them. You want to test a card you might have to walk around the house looking for it or make a janky proxy. You have to fight traffic or travel long distances to go to big events. With MTGO a lot of that goes away. For me it's not a 100% replacement, but it sure is a nice supplement.

Find me anytime: Freggle

Agreed- and you don't need umpteen playsets of Brainstorm. Own 4, you can play them in 24 different decks (and that's probably an understatement).

Playing online is nice because you can play pretty much anytime of day and you can trade for pretty much any card at anytime.

The only downsides for me are the lack of human interaction, sometimes its fun just to go eat tacos with your friends after a match and it's also more difficult to play test productively online. Because there aren't multiple people in the room, you can rewind situations and solicit everyone's opinion on the best play with the given information (although the replay feature is nice).

troopatroop

03-30-2013, 07:07 PM

This is simply false. There are things I don't like about Legacy, but to say that equates me never liking Legacy is just a blatant lie. Therefore, you aren't being fair.

I agree with Koby. You've always been a negative nancy vaginapants about everything Legacy. We all think it bro, please just leave...

dunk

03-30-2013, 10:39 PM

MTGO is the future of Legacy, better join as long as the prices are still fair.

Water_Wizard

04-02-2013, 02:59 AM

MTGO is the future of Legacy, better join as long as the prices are still fair.

Aren't you banned? Or did you make amends with WOTC?

menace13

04-02-2013, 03:18 AM

Aren't you banned? Or did you make amends with WOTC?
1st rule of fight club. Take that to pm dude.....

csy

04-06-2013, 04:38 AM

DragoFireheart

04-06-2013, 08:15 AM

I agree with Koby. You've always been a negative nancy vaginapants about everything Legacy. We all think it bro, please just leave...

Just because I might explain my opinion in an abrasive way doesn't mean I hate Legacy. And last time I checked, two people != everyone.

And no, I'm not going anywhere.

The only downsides for me are the lack of human interaction, sometimes its fun just to go eat tacos with your friends after a match and it's also more difficult to play test productively online. Because there aren't multiple people in the room, you can rewind situations and solicit everyone's opinion on the best play with the given information (although the replay feature is nice).

This. You sacrifice this social experience for convenience. Having played on-line games, I have no desire to go back.

[SLAYER]chaos

05-30-2013, 04:14 PM

I know this thread was from a few months ago, but is there still a legacy scene online? I would probably be playing at later hours EST like 10-2am. Do you think I'd be able to grab any dailies around then?

I do like the fact that it is cheaper (except FoW) and that I can play pretty much whenever. I just want to be sure there's still tournaments fairly regularly on weekdays.

Lejay

05-30-2013, 05:42 PM

It's been 6 months since the last Legacy MOCS and dailies still fire. About 2/5 of the time. Even if they don't fire you can PM people in the legacy daily queue to propose a 8 men, that always works. 2men are fine for testing also.

[SLAYER]chaos

05-30-2013, 06:16 PM

Do these cost anything to enter and have prizes?

Koby

05-30-2013, 06:35 PM

chaos;728284']Do these cost anything to enter and have prizes?

There are several event types you can play Legacy in:

2man queues - heads up play 2/3 match. Cost to enter: 2 tix, prize: 1 booster pack.
8man queues - single elimination. Cost to enter: 6 tix, prizes: 5-3-2-2 boosters for 1-4th.
Daily Events - swiss play, 4 rounds. Cost to enter: 6 tix, prizes: 4-0 record (11 boosters), 3-1 record (6 boosters)

It's a rare occasion that Premier Events fire, and even rarer that Legacy MOCS are selected. I won't bother to look up the prize structure on those since they occur once in a blue moon.

Best 'EV' are Daily Events, for their short duration (3-4 hours) and hefty prize support.

[SLAYER]chaos

05-30-2013, 07:23 PM

Are these boosters from any set or just the newest one? I'm on the fence right now of which version I want to buy back into. As much as I love playing paper magic I have the most fun playing legacy and it seems like the future of the format is online.

Koby

05-30-2013, 08:12 PM

They are exclusively from the latest set (altho sometimes block - right now prizes are RTR -- this ends up being a good thing once you start to see how much boosters are worth).

http://www.supernovabots.com/prices_6.txt

[SLAYER]chaos

05-30-2013, 10:11 PM

Just a few more questions. What's the best way to get tix starting from zero collection? Just buy them from the actual store for a dollar a piece? Also just looking around it seems like the one store you posted earlier in the thread (cardbot) has the best prices from anywhere I can see for most things, is that where you buy most of your stuff?

Edit: Checking on the cardbot website for example it has Tundra listed at 19 for one of the versions but when I check in the store itself on MTGO it only has them for 25. Same thing for the fetchlands.

Koby

05-31-2013, 01:25 AM

If you're buying singles directly, I recommend MTGO Traders. They offer discounts when you pay with PayPal (PM me for some coupon codes ~8%). It doesn't really make sense to trade tix for cards if you're starting off because of how expensive tickets are from the MTGO store. I recommend only using tix to enter events. Then, from there on you can trade your packs for tix, then tix for cards finding the best deal.

Dan Turner

06-01-2013, 01:04 AM

If I buy a MTGO card, can I redeem it later as a physical copy?

I'm assuming the answer is no to things like Underground Sea and what not.

you can only redeem full sets and only current (last year or 2) and it cost something like $30.

here I looked it up:

Magic Online Product Release & Redemption Schedule

Below is a summary of current Magic Online release dates and redemption dates. While we do not foresee any delays or changes, please note that all release dates are subject to change without notice.

Product Digital
Release Date Redemption
Guarantee Date Redemption
Cutoff Date
Scars of Mirrodin 10/18/2010 10/31/2012 11/04/2013
Mirrodin Besieged 02/21/2011 10/31/2012 11/04/2013
New Phyrexia 05/30/2011 10/31/2012 11/04/2013
Magic 2012 08/01/2011 10/31/2012 11/04/2013
Innistrad 10/17/2011 10/31/2013 11/03/2014
Dark Ascension 02/20/2012 10/31/2013 11/03/2014
Avacyn Restored 05/21/2012 10/31/2013 11/03/2014
Magic 2013 07/30/2012 10/31/2013 11/03/2014
Return to Ravnica 10/15/2012 10/31/2014 11/02/2015
Gatecrash 02/11/2013 10/31/2014 11/02/2015
Duel Deck Sorin Vs Tibalt 03/15/2013 Not Redeemable
Dragon's Maze 05/13/2013 10/31/2014 11/02/2015
Modern Masters 06/14/2013 Not Redeemable

As a general rule, Magic Online sets will be available for redemption roughly one month after they are released. If a redeemable set runs out of stock before its Redemption Guarantee Date, the set will be reprinted. After a redeemable set's Redemption Guaranteed Date has passed, such set will be available while supplies last or until its Cutoff Date, whichever comes first. All cutoff times are 9:00 AM.

For additional information about redemption, please read our Redemption Information and our Redemption Policy.

Adryan

06-01-2013, 03:52 AM

Modo is great for legacy. Here was the realization that put me all in

I can play legacy whenever I want. Cardboard has no value. Data has no value. My time and enjoyment has high value to me. More legacy = more fun. Buy in.

so true!!! i don't understand people complaining about Modo when they have BB Dual Lands IRL^^ and the future of legacy is online.

Barook

06-01-2013, 02:55 PM

Koby

06-01-2013, 03:09 PM

What's the current meta in MTGO for Legacy?

It's still going to be a few months until I'm going to buy (especially after having to buy a new car :rolleyes: ), but I'm torn:

One the one hand, I really like Death & Taxes, but I enjoy Jund as well. Jund has also the advantage of having lots of cards in common with its Modern version - however, the staples are still quite expensive.

Modern Masters doesn't have a sell limit online, right? Maybe that can decrease the price on some staples.

Most of D&T can be purchased from the 'Exiler' pre-con, making it pretty affordable ($29.99) (link to decklist (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/productarticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/mtgodeckseries/themedeck)). It's cheaper to just pile up the pieces from MTGO Traders tho.

Modern Masters has two weeks live on sale. Plan accordingly.

Barook

06-01-2013, 03:45 PM

Modern Masters has two weeks live on sale. Plan accordingly.
Where did you get that from?

Koby

06-01-2013, 03:51 PM

Where did you get that from?

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/05282013d

dsck

06-01-2013, 05:56 PM

Most of D&T can be purchased from the 'Exiler' pre-con, making it pretty affordable ($29.99) (link to decklist (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/productarticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/mtgodeckseries/themedeck)). It's cheaper to just pile up the pieces from MTGO Traders tho.

Modern Masters has two weeks live on sale. Plan accordingly.

$60 Wastelands :frown:

EDIT:

Batterskull $25.17
Rishadan Port $73.99
Wasteland $61.27

...

Barook

06-01-2013, 06:46 PM

$60 Wastelands :frown:

EDIT:

Batterskull $25.17
Rishadan Port $73.99
Wasteland $61.27

...
I know. That's also the point that somewhat puts me off D&T since most things aren't really staples, aside from Wasteland - and for that, the price tags suck.

Basaka

06-01-2013, 11:30 PM

I was thinking of building TES online but it actually seems MORE expensive to build it on MTGO than IRL, mainly because $500/800 of the deck comes from LEDs. Le sigh.

Megadeus

06-01-2013, 11:32 PM

I was thinking of building TES online but it actually seems MORE expensive to build it on MTGO than IRL, mainly because $500/800 of the deck comes from LEDs. Le sigh.

Wow thats insane. Also please never put "Le" before anything ever again

Basaka

06-02-2013, 12:48 AM

Yeah, I did a rundown through MTGOtraders/MTGO Academy. It's cheaper than SCG, but factoring that I can buy from MOTL and get played versions, it's actually more expensive for me to buy online than building it from scratch (already have the deck). Something needs to be done to make LEDs cheaper...

Also, sorry about that.

BlackFlameAshura

06-02-2013, 01:08 AM

Something needs to be done to make LEDs cheaper...

Every so often, usually once a year, they bring back the really old school draft formats that they only had up for a limited time, including Mirage through Masques blocks, but they don't put the packs up in the stores. One would think this might create a slight influx of LEDs as a result but it really isn't yet. Hopefully Wizards will figure out some more ways to throw us some bones in the coming months with some of these high price tag staples.

Megadeus

06-02-2013, 01:49 AM

Every so often, usually once a year, they bring back the really old school draft formats that they only had up for a limited time, including Mirage through Masques blocks, but they don't put the packs up in the stores. One would think this might create a slight influx of LEDs as a result but it really isn't yet. Hopefully Wizards will figure out some more ways to throw us some bones in the coming months with some of these high price tag staples.

When was the last masters edition on there?

BlackFlameAshura

06-03-2013, 11:25 PM

When was the last masters edition on there?

The last ME was released like 2 years ago I think? They brought back Masters Edition last December for a couple weeks, though, along with I think Tempest, Urza, and Masques blocks. That plus the giving away of the promo version is what caused the price of Force of Will to drop online. Before it was 120, then it dropped to around 70 in February. It's up to 90-95ish now but that makes a bit of sense given the fact that there's clearly more people playing Legacy online these days than around this time last year. So like I said, they usually bring these sets back about once a year.

Barook

06-04-2013, 02:42 PM

Are there any seasonal fluctuations which I should care about while buying in?

Koby

06-04-2013, 02:44 PM

Are there any seasonal fluctuations which I should care about while buying in?

Look at the schedule of Throwback drafts, as during those weeks they are active the singles tend to be significantly cheaper. If, for instance, Mirage is coming up, then don't buy LEDs until that week.

Barook

06-04-2013, 03:10 PM

Look at the schedule of Throwback drafts, as during those weeks they are active the singles tend to be significantly cheaper. If, for instance, Mirage is coming up, then don't buy LEDs until that week.
Where can I look up those throwback drafts?

MGB

06-04-2013, 03:23 PM

Is the new client an improvement over the old one?

Because the latest client I tried (prior to this beta) is basically an ugly, slow, dog.

Ayotte

06-04-2013, 04:23 PM

I like the new client. Most people stuck with the old one for as long as possible, but the new one is way better, IMO. There were still some kinks that needed ironing out the last time I played, mostly with the deckbuilding.

Also, choosing the order of blockers when double blocking was very confusing (you have to drag the cards around), but besides that everything was more intuitive than the old client.

dunk

06-05-2013, 08:57 AM

Where can I look up those throwback drafts?

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening

Barook

06-05-2013, 12:15 PM

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening
I feel stupid, but I still can't find it because their MTGO section is a goddamn clusterfuck.

Koby

06-05-2013, 12:20 PM

I feel stupid, but I still can't find it because their MTGO section is a goddamn clusterfuck.

That is because it is a clusterfuck. Good luck finding information. We sure as shit can't find it and we're "used" to it. Best approach is to Tweet @mtgworth and badger him to improve communication on MTGO.

dunk

06-05-2013, 04:24 PM

I feel stupid, but I still can't find it because their MTGO section is a goddamn clusterfuck.

Their whole website is. If I didn't know how to acces the page I would probably not know how to find it either. Try mtgonline.com for a shortcut.

As of now there are no "Classic" drafts scheduled. Roughly a month ago we were able to draft Shadowmoor and Lorwyn. Don't expect any classic drafts to be scheduled before Independence Day, but even that is not that likely. I guess the next big wave for real classic product will come with v4... ( at least I'd do it to promote it ).

zulander

06-06-2013, 05:28 PM

I have a few questions:

How feasible is it to acquire a full set of online cards?

Are there sanctioned online events for legacy? Any format?

How much are online drafts? What about MM?

Koby

06-06-2013, 05:45 PM

I have a few questions:

How feasible is it to acquire a full set of online cards?

The intersection of Time & Money. Feasible? Very much so. Expensive, likely; full sets average about 100-120 tickets each while heavily drafted.

Are there sanctioned online events for legacy? Any format?

There are prizes. However nothing that counts for DCI# or PWP at this time.

How much are online drafts? What about MM?

Typical drafts - 3 booster packs + 2 Event Tickets; sometimes 14 tix.
Modern Masters is geared at 30 tix or 3 MM packs + 9 tickets. Each MM booster is retail $6.99.

Freggle

06-06-2013, 06:51 PM

WARNING: TYPED ON PHONE.

Some basics that weren't explicitly clear to me when I first started. 1 ticket = $1

People talk to get tickets cheaper online but I don't know how. You can trade in packs or cards easily with bots for tickets.

You don't have to pay to play Magic. There are free areas of various levels that you can pay in day-and-night. when you want a prize you pay to join an event. you can play legacy however whenever you want for free.

One thing you win in the dailies is a qualifier point. Enough of these gets you an entrance to the online championship which you get your other stuff I don't understand.

here are some links to all the events online there costs and pay outs.
http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68/=legacy

Barook

06-06-2013, 07:23 PM

http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68/=legacy

Legacy 2-Player

Start Time: Fire on Demand
Location: Constructed Queues
Entry Option:
• 2 Event Tickets
Size: 2 players
Duration: 1 rounds
Play Style: Single Elimination (Play ends on first match loss)
Prizes (By Place)
• 1st: 1 Return to Ravnica booster

Wait, the 2-man events only consist of a single game without sideboarding?

Doesn't that mean that decks that bullshit on G1 like Dredge are heavily favored?

Freggle

06-06-2013, 07:38 PM

Wait, the 2-man events only consist of a single game without sideboarding?

Doesn't that mean that decks that bullshit on G1 like Dredge are heavily favored?

No 1 round is 3 games with sideboarding. I play these all the time.

Maro_

06-07-2013, 02:55 AM

Are there sanctioned online events for legacy? Any format?

Some facts about MTGO, and more precisely Legacy.

If you are logged into MTGO you can play whatever you want for free - all what you need are cards.
If you buy cards for Standard / Modern / Legacy you can play in rooms like just for fun / tournament practice.
There also quells where you pay two tickets and when you win, get 4 tickets
Daily’s (minimal 16 persons) entry 6 tickets.

About sanctioned events, there where Legacy MOCS some weeks ago.
The biggest advantage for me is that you can play whenever you want, drinking beer in yacuzzi ;)

Freggle

06-07-2013, 11:05 AM

The biggest advantage for me is that you can play whenever you want, drinking beer in yacuzzi ;)

LOL! I thought / hoped I was the only one dumb enough to do that.

bkemke

06-10-2013, 07:38 PM

Legacy daily events have not been firing like they used to. When I first bought into MTGO, they would always fire, now it looks like about 50% of the time, any ideas why?

from Cairo

06-10-2013, 08:49 PM

Legacy daily events have not been firing like they used to. When I first bought into MTGO, they would always fire, now it looks like about 50% of the time, any ideas why?

I'm sure there are additional factors, but maybe with it being summer people are less inclined to stay in playing modo?

Maro_

06-11-2013, 04:50 AM

I'm sure there are additional factors, but maybe with it being summer people are less inclined to stay in playing modo?

Not everybody can afford to have a pauper and digital collection.
What's important, Legacy on mtgo its not so cheap...

I would be joining the events, but every time when I want to enter one, it fires like on 03:30AM and I need to wake up and go to work somehow :)
I see that recently Legacy on mtgo Increases in interest, and I don't wait more then 1min for a 2-Man or Tournament Practice game.

dunk

06-11-2013, 08:59 AM

Legacy daily events have not been firing like they used to. When I first bought into MTGO, they would always fire, now it looks like about 50% of the time, any ideas why?

When did you buy into Modo first? If I remember correctly the format was very healthy after it's initial introduction in 2010. We even had a weekly Premier which always fired, often with 40 or more people in it. But then some kind of chain reaction happened: cards were too expensive for newbies while some of the older crowd had less and less time to play. Events became smaller and smaller, eventually firing with 16 people only. Then they completely stopped firing. It was a weird situation, as in that enough people would have had the time or were actually online, but didn't bother to join because it wouldn't fire anyway. I would call this the first cycle, from a very healty format to not firing any events.
Now we are in the second cycle: Legacy rarely fires until a Legacy Mocs comes around. A few weeks before one of those Mocs tournaments all the grinders start to test and for a short period of time Legacy looks really healthy again. Then the actual tournament everyone prepared for happens and after that, most people sell the stuff again. The number of participants starts to decline, but events will still fire on a daily base. At some point, lets say 3 months after the Mocs happened, events will not fire at all or only very very rarely. Rinse and repeat. Once the next Legacy Mocs will be announced attendance will go up again. Until then... well, get a deck and wait in the queues! If just enough people try and are confidant then these events will fire again.

Koby

06-11-2013, 09:38 AM

Legacy used to fire very consistently until the Mental Misstep ban occurred. That is, it was banned in paper while still being legal for 2 weeks on MTGO. Who in their right mind would want to continue playing Legacy with Mental Misstep as a lame duck format? This really cut back into the Legacy DE attendance and it has not recovered since.

dunk

06-11-2013, 03:06 PM

Yeah you are right Koby. Now I remember, too. To be fair participation number already declined after Mental Misstep formed an UW only meta in the dailies.

apple713

06-12-2013, 11:45 AM

i heard the only real way to come out on top and turn a profit or not just sink money into MTGO is to play limited, but i was wondering if you can make profits through playing legacy?

Koby

06-12-2013, 11:50 AM

i heard the only real way to come out on top and turn a profit or not just sink money into MTGO is to play limited, but i was wondering if you can make profits through playing legacy?

What you heard is far from the truth. Limited is a cash sink. You have to be extremely proficient in Limited to be able to cash on drafts.

Constructed Daily Events provide the highest expected value for going net positive.

LOurs

06-12-2013, 11:57 AM

When did you buy into Modo first? If I remember correctly the format was very healthy after it's initial introduction in 2010. We even had a weekly Premier which always fired, often with 40 or more people in it. But then some kind of chain reaction happened: cards were too expensive for newbies while some of the older crowd had less and less time to play. Events became smaller and smaller, eventually firing with 16 people only. Then they completely stopped firing. It was a weird situation, as in that enough people would have had the time or were actually online, but didn't bother to join because it wouldn't fire anyway. I would call this the first cycle, from a very healty format to not firing any events.
Now we are in the second cycle: Legacy rarely fires until a Legacy Mocs comes around. A few weeks before one of those Mocs tournaments all the grinders start to test and for a short period of time Legacy looks really healthy again. Then the actual tournament everyone prepared for happens and after that, most people sell the stuff again. The number of participants starts to decline, but events will still fire on a daily base. At some point, lets say 3 months after the Mocs happened, events will not fire at all or only very very rarely. Rinse and repeat. Once the next Legacy Mocs will be announced attendance will go up again. Until then... well, get a deck and wait in the queues! If just enough people try and are confidant then these events will fire again.

Legacy used to fire very consistently until the Mental Misstep ban occurred. That is, it was banned in paper while still being legal for 2 weeks on MTGO. Who in their right mind would want to continue playing Legacy with Mental Misstep as a lame duck format? This really cut back into the Legacy DE attendance and it has not recovered since.

Exactly what I experienced too. The weird thing is that Legacy was pretty popular when it was launched, and at this point, it made loose to classic format many people prefering to join Legacy... and now both formats seem ... ill. Sad.

Barook

06-12-2013, 12:02 PM

Exactly what I experienced too. The weird thing is that Legacy was pretty popular when it was launched, and at this point, it made loose to classic format many people prefering to join Legacy... and now both formats seem ... ill. Sad.
Maybe they should offer promos to promote the format, like they did with the FoW promo?

Koby

06-12-2013, 12:25 PM

Maybe they should offer promos to promote the format, like they did with the FoW promo?

WotC/MTGO tried this too. Until they stopped doing it. It was quite successful when they made those offerings.

Thinking of WotC's MTGO business model as an actual business is a dead end road. They just don't care or don't know how to run it.

LOurs

06-12-2013, 12:46 PM

yea indeed they did and it was good and even premium series deck provided good materials to support the format

But it was until the WotC's Oracle said : "the next big eternal things will be modern & commander"...

neosaviour

06-13-2013, 04:16 PM

Hi all, just started following the Legacy scene a couple weeks ago and I've found it to be awesome!! planning to buy in on MTGO, but had a couple questions:

1) Is it a good time to buy in right now? My budget will allow me to buy 4x FoW, 4x Jace, etc. but at the same time I don't want to be impatient and make a bad investment at the wrong time.

2) How often do people play in the tournament practice room/2mans/8mans? I noticed that dailies aren't always posted on the website so I figured those don't fire often, but I would like to be able to find and play a few matches on a daily basis (My time zone is EST). It would be a shame to acquire the cards and have no one to play with.

Thanks in advance!

Koby

06-13-2013, 04:47 PM

This is the MTGO Legacy Daily Event schedule until further notice. All times listed are PST.

http://i.imgur.com/7RgXfas.png

2mans are easy to fire. Tourney Practice is intermittent in quality of player. 8mans are less frequent than DE in my experience.

Barook

06-14-2013, 10:37 AM

2mans are easy to fire. Tourney Practice is intermittent in quality of player. 8mans are less frequent than DE in my experience.
How many people from The Source are on MTGO, though? If people organized themselves better, I guess more events could fire.

Hell, you could even involve the Salvation and other online forums, if necessary.

Julian23

06-14-2013, 10:55 AM

We had a The Source MODO team in ~2010/2011 but it eventually died out. Nobody has posted to its the team forum (part of this website) in about 2 years. If someone's serious about it, he could surely revive the whole concept.

Viridia

06-14-2013, 11:01 AM

I'd consider getting a Modo deck if there's an active Source team :) Considering i have a Modern deck on there i could probably get a Legacy deck without too much effort.

apple713

06-14-2013, 11:12 AM

is there ever a price drop in Force of Wills? Maybe seasonally or something?

On a seperate note i figure it would be good to by in before they release the power 9 and stuff....Would I be correct in thinking this? MTGO seems like the only way to really play vintage often enough to satisfy my wants.

bkemke

06-14-2013, 11:42 AM

The cheapest I've seen Force was after they released them as the MOCS promo - about $65. It looks like they have climbed and stabilized at about $90. They may get a little lower if the open ME1 events or reuse that promo.

Freggle

06-14-2013, 11:48 AM

How many people from The Source are on MTGO, though? If people organized themselves better, I guess more events could fire.

Hell, you could even involve the Salvation and other online forums, if necessary.

We had a The Source MODO team in ~2010/2011 but it eventually died out. Nobody has posted to its the team forum (part of this website) in about 2 years. If someone's serious about it, he could surely revive the whole concept.

I'm down for all of this.

Edit: At the very least we can make "The Source" clan right in MTGO.

apple713

06-14-2013, 12:05 PM

if the open ME1 events or reuse that promo.

what is ME1 events?

and what does that statement mean? if they just increase supply?

Koby

06-14-2013, 12:08 PM

what is ME1 events?

and what does that statement mean? if they just increase supply?

ME1 events are unlikely to return, at least reliably so. The stock supply of FOW is held constant, so it will be very difficult to put more into the system. As a whole, FoW tends to climb when a Legacy MOCS is in the short-term, or a Legacy GP that people want to test for. All other times is a slow climb back to ~120 tix.

bkemke

06-14-2013, 12:12 PM

ME1 = Masters Edition 1. Force of Will is a rare in that set.

apple713

06-14-2013, 01:44 PM

ME1 events are unlikely to return, at least reliably so. The stock supply of FOW is held constant, so it will be very difficult to put more into the system. As a whole, FoW tends to climb when a Legacy MOCS is in the short-term, or a Legacy GP that people want to test for. All other times is a slow climb back to ~120 tix.

so really with it being around 90 right now is a good deal?

Koby

06-14-2013, 02:32 PM

so really with it being around 90 right now is a good deal?

I would suggest that it's a good time to invest. I would not call it a good deal however. Aside from ME1 promo events, and the rather rare FOW promo for a MOCS, FoW has a fixed supply. It is one of the cards identified by Worth Wolpert as a card not going to be reprinted on MTGO after initial sale of ME1 concluded. It will be an uphill battle to introduce more copies of Force of Will online than exist today currently.

That is not to say the price may go down. I believe that many bot operators are sitting on literal mountains of this card waiting for it go to into >120 tix territory before releasing their copies. Keep that in mind if you're planning on buying them.

Barook

06-14-2013, 04:45 PM

Aside from ME1 promo events, and the rather rare FOW promo for a MOCS, FoW has a fixed supply. It is one of the cards identified by Worth Wolpert as a card not going to be reprinted on MTGO after initial sale of ME1 concluded. It will be an uphill battle to introduce more copies of Force of Will online than exist today currently.
Why is that so?

Koby

06-14-2013, 05:12 PM

Why is that so?

I have no good justification for this. WotC Worth Wolpert decided that Force of Will is deserving of quasi-Reserve List treatment on MTGO.

Feel free to send ire his way for being the arbiter of high singles prices on MTGO. @mtgworth

neosaviour

06-15-2013, 06:20 PM

I'm down for all of this.

Edit: At the very least we can make "The Source" clan right in MTGO.

I'd be interested in this too. Just bought in, if anyone wants to play, please add me: neosaviour

Maro_

06-16-2013, 04:46 PM

BlackFlameAshura

06-19-2013, 04:14 AM

Me too. I've already got a clan set up on MTGO but I'd be willing to drop it for a Legacy clan no problem (especially with how dead my current one is anyways). Lately I've been playing on one of my secondary accounts but feel free to add/message me on both my main accounts, girman and BlackFlameAshura.

apple713

06-19-2013, 07:50 AM

jarvisyu

06-19-2013, 08:54 AM

does anyone ever use the "redemption" option to get physical cards though MTGO? I was looking to put together a foil set, is this hard to do? Maybe its cheaper then acquiring the foil cards physically?

It's certainly easier than in real life because of the prevalence of bots you can scour. I am not sure that it's cheaper, especially since redemption for gatecrash (and later) is more expensive.

apple713

06-19-2013, 08:56 AM

It's certainly easier than in real life because of the prevalence of bots you can scour. I am not sure that it's cheaper, especially since redemption for gatecrash (and later) is more expensive.

what do you mean its more expensive? did something change? isnt it like 25 to redeem?

jarvisyu

06-19-2013, 09:15 AM

what do you mean its more expensive? did something change? isnt it like 25 to redeem?

It used to be 5 dollars.

apple713

06-19-2013, 09:42 AM

It used to be 5 dollars.

when talking about a foil set of cards 25$ isnt really very much but yeah that sucks that they raised the price.

has anyone tried collecting a foil set for redemption, is it more expensive than collecting the cards in person?

Also, my SN on MTGO is Maverick713

Maro_

06-19-2013, 11:50 AM

About the Source Legacy clan,
Please send me an invitation for acc: Maro_

If we start to play together, we can try to 'reanimate' Legacy online.

Barook

06-19-2013, 12:32 PM

As far as account names go, why not make a thread/sticky in the community board to collect all those MTGO names?

That would be more efficient.

As far as the "clan leader" goes, who's going to handle the invites? Personally, I think somebody from the Source higher ups (mods or admins - Koby?) would be fit for the job to keep the eggs in the basket instead of having a random person throw out invites to strangers.

My account name is _barook_

Kayradis

06-19-2013, 12:33 PM

I would be more than likely joining on that. Im completing combo elves at the current time. Cradles were a big problem to acquire at a decent price.

Only missing the NO at this point. Problem? I dont have the spare money to invest 100$ on cards I already own.

Should we look into a MTGO trade thread?

BlackFlameAshura

06-19-2013, 01:42 PM

A trading group sounds pretty cool too. The margins are a lot closer between buying and selling on MTGO with bots but if I could narrow that to zero (or closer to it anyways) that would be awesome. You won't usually see trade offers like that in the classifieds room, so having something like this would work.

As for redemptions, I've redeemed a couple full sets before, granted they weren't full foil sets, and they were packaged really well. The only thing I'd be concerned about with a foil set is the cards were sent in between a couple pieces of styrofoam if memory serves me right and I don't know how they would handle that with foils without running the risk of damaging them, even slightly. With regards to collecting foils, I've noticed a lot of common and uncommon foils seem to be rather inexpensive, likely due to the amount of limited constantly being played online. Foil rares I'm not sure on but would bet it varies from card to card with some being way cheaper than what one might expect (I was looking up how much my foil Hallowed Fountain went for online and it was only like 6-7 tix) but virtually all mythics are expensive, primarily because of this redemption program. Most are way higher than they would be offline but some are cheaper (MTGO Traders, for example, even though they don't have any in stock has foil Liliana of the Veils at about 73 tix. You can see this on their online store).

As for a clan leader, I agree, I'd love to say an active Source vet run it. And yes, I agree that it might just be better to keep another thread just for MTGO names or something and someone could compile them into like one of the first couple posts for easy access. Would really love to see this take off.

Freggle

06-19-2013, 04:42 PM

BlackFlameAshura

06-19-2013, 05:29 PM

They day I posted about a Source clan I filled out the form for "TheSource"

I have not gotten a response from Wizards that it is approved.

I would prefer to give all the rights to a mod. I just created it becuase I thought it was a good thing. Hopefully I did not overstep my bounds.

Eh I don't really think you'd be overstepping any bounds, just that there might be a bit of a preference with having a Source/MTGO vet run it. I'm good with whoever runs it, really, so long as they're around frequently and can help to make the clan as active as possible.

dunk

06-19-2013, 05:48 PM

when talking about a foil set of cards 25$ isnt really very much but yeah that sucks that they raised the price.

has anyone tried collecting a foil set for redemption, is it more expensive than collecting the cards in person?

Also, my SN on MTGO is Maverick713

Back in 2009, shortly before the redemption for Future Sight was taken down I redeemed a foil set. To be honest I just did it to get a foil Goyf for the price of a paper Version + other neat stuff. Hell was I wrong - I still ended up making a really nice profit, but cards like Jhoira, Seths Tiger or Muranda Petroglyphs were pricey ( Jhoira got more expensive in paper later on, I sold her immediately though ). These days it's even worse because most the Mythics are WAY more expensive than their paper counterparts. Regular crapfoil Mythic is like what, 2 dollars maybe? Make that at least 6 on Modo. Sometimes it's also extremely tricky to find certain Mythics.

If you want to put the foil set together just for collecting reasons, then you will probably get a better deal on Modo. If you want to make money with it, be prepare for very slim profit margins.

Kayradis

06-21-2013, 08:07 AM

In regards to trading/clan stuff for MTGO, would it be easy to set up a bot purely for the group? Just an idea I am throwing there.
Seems like there is a fair amount of user wishing to get Legacy back on track on MTGO.

Since WotC doesn't really give a rat's ass about Legacy and kept pushing Modern to be the next thing as an eternal format, if all TheSource MTGO user get together and start getting those events firing, I'm pretty sure it would be a nice boost to the legacy scene. I haven't seen a MTGO legacy Top 8 on MTGTOP8 for a while to be honest.

I haven't seen anybody from my guild in the recent weeks on MTGO, so just add me and let's get that thing started.

DocteurGabe on MTGO.
Simply add me.

BTW, looking for 4 x Natural Orders on MTGO. Anybody got those?

Maro_

06-21-2013, 09:24 AM

Since WotC doesn't really give a rat's ass about Legacy and kept pushing Modern to be the next thing as an eternal format, if all TheSource MTGO user get together and start getting those events firing, I'm pretty sure it would be a nice boost to the legacy scene. I haven't seen a MTGO legacy Top 8 on MTGTOP8 for a while to be honest.

So true.
let's do something about it, time is running out, and I want to play some dailys :)

Kayradis

06-21-2013, 09:47 AM

The main problem we (we as TheSource MTGO users) might encounter is the lack of us having decent/tier 1/competitive legacy decks online. We all, for the most of us, own good collection and are able to build 1,2,3 or even more of those tier 1 decks.

We should look into user lending/borrowing cards for the sake of getting those events firing?

Simply working out the kinks before we encounter them!

mishima_kazuya

06-21-2013, 11:24 AM

kazuyamishima is my username

I am going to be very active during the summer, however school will be starting this fall which will reduce the amount of time I am on MODO.

I have some Legacy stuff and I am looking to acquire 4x Goyfs and 4x Bobs sometime this summer.

Barook

06-21-2013, 03:44 PM

Just bought in. Feel free to throw some spare matches so I can relearn the shitty interface. :wink:

On a different note:

I've made a thread in the community board where we can collect our account names: Click! (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?26272-MTGO-account-names&p=732591#post732591)

Feel free to post there if you have any other accounts or forgot something. I already requested a sticky from Koby.

The main problem we (we as TheSource MTGO users) might encounter is the lack of us having decent/tier 1/competitive legacy decks online. We all, for the most of us, own good collection and are able to build 1,2,3 or even more of those tier 1 decks.

We should look into user lending/borrowing cards for the sake of getting those events firing?

Simply working out the kinks before we encounter them!

Card lending sure is a possibility, but first we would need to work out a system so only trusted people who are regularly online can borrow cards.

E.g. I'm still holding onto the cards that ForceofWill (who brought me into MTGO) borrowed me back then after losing contact with each other, just in case he shows up again one day, so I could give him his cards back. :frown: Oh well.

dunk

06-21-2013, 04:26 PM

Fresh blood semms cool. Sadly I'm too addicted to stupid Modern Masters drafts which means it could take me a while till I want to play Legacy again :D

BlackFlameAshura

06-21-2013, 04:57 PM

Yeah I played the hell out of Modern Masters myself for a bit. Great set but I don't wanna sink too much money into it at this point.

Thanks for the post and the copypasta there Barook. Hopefully we can really get this thing going. I don't know totally how well lending cards would go over. I might not be willing to pass around some of the big staples but certainly some other cards. I'm down for anything, though, so long as we can really make a solid push to get it going. Maybe we could change the MTGO accounts page to something like MTGO accounts and discussion?

Barook

06-21-2013, 05:01 PM

Maybe we could change the MTGO accounts page to something like MTGO accounts and discussion?
I would prefer to keep discussion and accounts in seperate threads to keep the account name thread neat and tidy.

BlackFlameAshura

06-21-2013, 05:16 PM

I suppose that makes sense. Either way it sounds like we're right on track to trying to reinvigorate Legacy online a bit. I'll be around most of tonight, I think, if anyone wants to hit me up.

Barook

06-22-2013, 07:15 AM

Tangente

06-22-2013, 07:52 AM

Still getting used to the MTGO engine again.

Question about the following scenario:

Both of us have 3 lands in play. I activate my Wasteland, and in response I want to activate my Weathered Wayfarer since I only have 2 lands in play at that point. That's how it normally works.

But instead of being able to respond, the ability just goes in the stack and resolves without giving me priority again. :confused: Where did I make a mistake?

I encountered this problem too. You must hold Ctrl while casting spell or activating an ability to hold priority.

Well, I am also thinking about playing legacy on MTGO. In my opinion it is a great testing tool. Now I am trying to build combo elves. Lots of cards are very cheap with exception of Cradle and Natural order. But still cheaper than in paper.

Kayradis

06-22-2013, 10:39 AM

Any news on the clan application?

Barook

06-22-2013, 11:55 AM

@Tangente: Thanks. I'm going to try that.

Any news on the clan application?

We need volunteers, preferable mods/admins from the Source to represent the site properly, who are willing to run said clan.

For that, we also need to determine what exactly they have to do. I doubt the 50 clan member limitation per clan would be a problem in the beginning, but who knows.

I think we can make this work since there are quite a few people with interest (and others could be attracted, too, as this thread is showing). We can make a To-do-list:

- clan leader (who, functions)
- clan rules (members, proper etiquette to represent the Source)
- goals (playtesting, which daily events could fire with our help, etc)

I think there is also other stuff. Is it just me, or is the RoI on 8-man on demand tournaments rather shitty compared 2-mans and daily events?

dunk

06-22-2013, 01:06 PM

Thats not how modo clans work ;) View it as an expanded buddy - list with it's own chat. The captain is the only person who can invite new people into the clan, so make it someone recognizeable and most important someone very active ( a grinder would be best ). Playtesting and borrowing / lending cards comes with time. Also, there is no 50 - person limit anymore.

Kayradis

06-22-2013, 03:31 PM

So, now we are facing the question : "Who's grinding?"

Freggle

06-22-2013, 04:44 PM

Any news on the clan application?

I'm 95% certain I applied for the clan "TheSource" on 6-15-2013 and have not gotten a response from Wizards whether the Clan has been approved.

I say 95% certain because I was heavily drugged from surgery the day before, and I was using the beta client which can be glitchy. Does anyone know how to check on the status of clan approvals?

mishima_kazuya

06-22-2013, 05:45 PM

Legacy daily events have not been firing like they used to. When I first bought into MTGO, they would always fire, now it looks like about 50% of the time, any ideas why?

Legacy MOCS gets the grinders playing Legacy usually (though that only occurs once or twice a year :frown:).
If there is a Legacy GP coming up, it might get people to play Legacy on MTGO, but not as much an a MOCS.

Maybe they should offer promos to promote the format, like they did with the FoW promo?

LED Promos pls.

So, now we are facing the question : "Who's grinding?"

You could say I am a grinder (I play about 2-3 Daily Events most days during this summer). But once school starts I will probably have to cut back to only 1 DE a day, IF I'm lucky enough to have time.

Maro_

06-22-2013, 06:09 PM

I'm 95% certain I applied for the clan "TheSource" on 6-15-2013 and have not gotten a response from Wizards whether the Clan has been approved.

I say 95% certain because I was heavily drugged from surgery the day before, and I was using the beta client which can be glitchy. Does anyone know how to check on the status of clan approvals?

ok, but what about this clan on MTGO called: The Source ?
It looks better written separated and already exists.

The Captain is Predator8785

Till we finally start with clan membership, I'm online about 2-4 hours per day, European time and open for games :)

Backseat_Critic

06-23-2013, 08:53 AM

I'd like to get in on this. My name is Backseat_Critic. I'm an American, but I currently live in Italy (GMT+1). See you there!

Kayradis

06-23-2013, 10:50 AM

Im about to log on and grind some 2 man queues and possibly draft.

See you there?

Freggle

06-23-2013, 11:38 AM

ok, but what about this clan on MTGO called: The Source ?

Perfect! I'll support that. I wsa just trying to proactively help get the ball rolling. Do you know Predator8785?

Im about to log on and grind some 2 man queues and possibly draft.

See you there?

Would love to, but currently traveling for business. I should be back on more regularly next week.

Kayradis

06-23-2013, 11:55 AM

Saw that clan too.

Should we simply merge the idea with the currently existing clan?

@ Freggle

I got bored and I'm making a spending list in regards of what's missing for CB. Ended up drafting DGM......

Barook

06-23-2013, 02:15 PM

Saw that clan too.

Should we simply merge the idea with the currently existing clan?
We don't even know who it is.

I would say we should make our own, new clan, to prevent any issues.

Kayradis

06-23-2013, 02:52 PM

We don't even know who it is.

I would say we should make our own, new clan, to prevent any issues.

Go for it. Im bored and drafting.

Kayradis

06-23-2013, 02:55 PM

The clan leader is RockOut on the source

Maro_

06-23-2013, 04:12 PM

We don't even know who it is.

I would say we should make our own, new clan, to prevent any issues.

it"s probably the best idea.

Name: TheSource
Description:

www.mtgthesource.com
Best place to play Legacy together.

or something like that?

Viridia

06-23-2013, 04:38 PM

Anyone going to do the Phantom 11th Anniversary sealed? Sounds fun to build a deck with some random packs :P

Viridia

06-23-2013, 08:12 PM

3-0 atm, UB cardadvantage ftw.

Kayradis

06-23-2013, 09:38 PM

Won 2 RTR 4-4-2-2 got my ass handed to me in the 3rd one.

Lets get a daily going Tuesday??

Barook

06-24-2013, 07:47 AM

BlackFlameAshura

06-24-2013, 12:26 PM

Shouldn't we open a new thread regarding the clan organization? It doesn't have anything to do with the format discussion section and probably catches more interest in a seperate thread.

On a different note: What's the current metagame on MTGO? S&T seems pretty much non-existant due to the FoW and S&T prices.

Nah I feel like this is pretty much a solid catchall MTGO thread at this point. As for the metagame, it seems pretty varied, though I tended to see a decent amount of Imperial Painter, S&T, and Reanimator. I've been busy and haven't played in about a month so I don't know how much this has changed but that's how it was last I saw.

I'm 95% certain I applied for the clan "TheSource" on 6-15-2013 and have not gotten a response from Wizards whether the Clan has been approved.

I say 95% certain because I was heavily drugged from surgery the day before, and I was using the beta client which can be glitchy. Does anyone know how to check on the status of clan approvals?

There's your problem right there. You have to do it in the main client. Nothing from the beta client transfers over to the main client from my understanding.

Barook

06-28-2013, 03:30 PM

Since booster prices for RtR are fluctuating - when is the best time during a week to sell them?

Barook

06-30-2013, 09:33 AM

Sorry for the double post.

Rockout made me clan leader (for now) of the old "The Source" clan. I can start inviting people now.

Just message me via PM or ingame under _barook_ if you're interested to join.

mishima_kazuya

06-30-2013, 10:50 AM

Since booster prices for RtR are fluctuating - when is the best time during a week to sell them?

Right after M14 releases, RtR should slowly creep up, so you should sell them when they peak (August-September)

Barook

08-06-2013, 10:49 PM

Is there a way to watch replays of past Daily events? Especially on the beta client, since I can't get used to the old one?

On a different note: Pretty much all Daily events fire now again. Great job, guys!

Adryan

08-07-2013, 06:18 AM

On a different note: Pretty much all Daily events fire now again. Great job, guys!

Yeah that's awesome. There are much more people with different decks than three months ago. I borrowed some Storm Cards and played some 2mans. you find at every hour someone for a 2man :D

Barook

08-07-2013, 06:49 AM

Another question:

What's responsible for the long load time when you log in? Is it possible to reduce it by packing the MODO client on an SSD or is it just Wizards' fault for having shitty servers?

Mister M.

08-07-2013, 04:11 PM

Another question:

What's responsible for the long load time when you log in? Is it possible to reduce it by packing the MODO client on an SSD or is it just Wizards' fault for having shitty servers?

Well, how long does it take?
My OS and client are running off a SSD and MODO feels slow compared to other applications. So, it's probably just Wizards.

Barook

08-07-2013, 04:13 PM

Well, how long does it take?
My OS and client are running off a SSD and MODO feels slow compared to other applications.
It takes about 1-2 minutes to actually login once you've entered the password which sucks especially when it crashes during tournaments.

Mister M.

08-07-2013, 04:18 PM

It takes about 1-2 minutes to actually login once you've entered the password which sucks especially when it crashes during tournaments.
Yep, sucks big time! It's the same with me. The client is always checking for updates online before showing the log-in window and then, it takes another while, especially when reconnecting. Then, MODO is complaining about you being already logged-in and so on...

Maro_

08-07-2013, 04:42 PM

You probably use the Beta, it's still half-product.
Client V3 - no problems, really - about 3 months ago was the last time it crushed.

Mister M.

08-07-2013, 05:00 PM

You probably use the Beta, it's still half-product.
Client V3 - no problems, really - about 3 months ago was the last time it crushed.

Nah, I'm using the good ole Windows 98 style client. The Beta one sucked even harder.

Koby

08-08-2013, 03:54 PM

Here's the Daily Event schedule for non-Standard/Block/Limited events. Hope someone can use this to plan their time.

UTC -7 HoursWednesdayThursdayFridaySaturdaySundayMondayTuesday
1:30 AMModern
3:30 AMPauperModernPauperModernLegacy
4:30 AMModernModernLegacyModernModern
5:30 AMPauperMomir BasicPauper
6:30 AMModern
7:30 AMModern
8:30 AMPauperMomir BasicLegacy
9:30 AMLegacyModern
10:30 AMPauperMomir BasicModernLegacyPauperModern
11:30 AMMomir BasicModernPauperModernPauper
12:30 PMPauperMomir BasicModernPauperLegacy
2:30 PMLegacyModernModernModern
3:00 PMPremier Modern
3:30 PMModernLegacyMomir BasicMomir BasicMomir Basic
4:30 PMPauperLegacyModern
5:30 PMLegacyModernLegacyMomir BasicPauper
6:00 PMPauper
6:30 PMModernPauperMomir BasicLegacy
7:30 PMPauperModernModernLegacy
8:30 PMLegacyPauperPauperModern
9:30 PMMomir BasicPauperModern
10:30 PMModernModern
11:30 PMModern

Madmaniac21

08-09-2013, 07:26 AM

More dailies probably firing due to GP incoming

Barook

08-09-2013, 07:53 AM

More dailies probably firing due to GP incoming
But currently most dailies are already firing thanks to active promotion by the community (e.g. Lejay), even if it's just 16 people.

rockout

08-09-2013, 01:57 PM

What to do with modern masters packs? I have 3 leftover before they closed the door on my heart and wouldn't let me buy anymore. I'm assuming they will go up in price over time?

Koby

08-09-2013, 02:03 PM

They are worth about 5.5 or more right now. Probably best to hold on for longer term gains if you don't need the tix.

rockout

08-15-2013, 08:09 AM

This is going to sound really dumb, but would someone let me borrow a deck for some of these dailies? I'll give you tickets or something.

Barook

10-01-2013, 07:19 PM

I'm pondering whether or not to sell my 2 Thoughtseizes now and rebuy a full playset later once Theros is out for a while. Should I sell now or keep them?

Phoenix Ignition

10-01-2013, 07:29 PM

I'm pondering whether or not to sell my 2 Thoughtseizes now and rebuy a full playset later once Theros is out for a while. Should I sell now or keep them?

I don't think it'll drop much again until it is out of standard since a lot of standard decks will be using it. I'm going to hang on to my set, at least. If you're going to wait the 2+ years before getting em again it may be worth it.

Barook

10-04-2013, 10:00 PM

How does the MOCS promo thing work again? I thought that you would get a promo automatically once you reach 15 points, but now I've noticed that there are MOCS Prelims (http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68/=MOCSSeason10Prelim-THSSealed) that also grant promos, like in this case, Underground Sea. Am I mistaken or do you get your promo and then have chance to get further promo cards by playing the MOCS thing?

And what's the best point to sell M14 packs? Are they going to rise a bit after Theros or are they going only down now?

Nickm

10-04-2013, 10:41 PM

Am I mistaken or do you get your promo and then have chance to get further promo cards by playing the MOCS thing?

Correct, get get one for 15 qps (foil at 35), and can win more in the season prelims and finals.

SilverGreen

10-05-2013, 11:28 PM

Playtesting and borrowing / lending cards comes with time.And that's why, for me, be in a clan has been an awful experience. Lots of Cradleless Elves or LEDness Dredge dudes calling you a "buddy" in order to borrow playsets of Goyfes and FoWs. They always want to play with complete Tier-1 decklists on your expense, usually offering nothing in exchange.

Past experiences have told me that the "community" is more about "what the community has to offer me?" than about "what can I offer to the community?". That's why I became kind of a "lone wolf": it's safer and less frustrating.

Barook

10-06-2013, 01:42 PM

This site is actually pretty good to find out how much decks costs and keep track of the price developments:

www.mtggoldfish.com (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/)

Barook

01-25-2014, 07:41 PM

Is it just me or did everything go to hell again since the last patch?

Several disconnects due to some bug when sideboarding begins, it takes forever to choose cards while stuff is on the stack and Daily Events are neither displayed in the play lobby nor in the starting screen.

What the hell?

apple713

01-26-2014, 01:54 AM

Happy83

01-26-2014, 05:26 AM

Legacy prices didn't drop and are still rising as the format seems to grow in popularity. The release of Vintage Masters will affect Legacy prices and could be a good time if you want to buy in.

Barook

01-26-2014, 06:35 AM

does this mean that prices have dropped?
Prices dropped about 11% on average after Daily events were taken down in November/December, but quickly recovered.

Legacy prices didn't drop and are still rising as the format seems to grow in popularity. The release of Vintage Masters will affect Legacy prices and could be a good time if you want to buy in.
Hopefully. The prices for LED spirals out of control right now - 186$ per copy and still rising. This is ridiculous.

DragoFireheart

01-26-2014, 09:33 AM

This site is actually pretty good to find out how much decks costs and keep track of the price developments:

www.mtggoldfish.com (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/)

I like how (paper) the printing of Tarmogoyf made him go UP in price and not down. :laugh:

Still got my playset of the new art. Used my old set as trade for U.Seas. Built Shardless BUG: even if it's not Tier 1 atm due to TNN, it's fun to play.

dunk

01-26-2014, 09:54 AM

Barook

01-26-2014, 09:56 AM

Are you playing on the beta? Better don't do that :)
I do, and despite its shortcomings, I can't bring myself to play the regular client.

Barook

02-07-2014, 05:34 PM

Sorry for the double post:

When exactly does the Born of the Gods prerelease event start this weekend? I need some copies of Brimaz.

bkemke

02-07-2014, 11:45 PM

Born of the Gods doesn't start until next weekend.

Barook

02-18-2014, 01:50 PM

When can I expect Theros boosters to peak to sell them?

mishima_kazuya

02-18-2014, 04:01 PM

When can I expect Theros boosters to peak to sell them?

I would expect them to peak in 2-3 months from now, based on past trends

Happy83

02-19-2014, 01:38 PM

Barook

02-19-2014, 02:41 PM

The MOCS Promo for March will be Lion's Eye Diamond, which already dropped 30 TIX and should drop even more. People that are looking for LEDs on MTGO should watch the price since this will be the opportunity to buy them.
Oh boy, events are going to be overrun in March.

Quantum

02-19-2014, 02:42 PM

Barook

02-19-2014, 03:11 PM

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Masters+Edition/Force+of+Will

The Promo was for January 2013 IIRC.

mishima_kazuya

02-19-2014, 03:44 PM

Barook

03-01-2014, 03:04 AM

I would expect them to peak in 2-3 months from now, based on past trends
What about Born of the Gods, though? Prices are way lower than Theros packs.

Quantum

03-06-2014, 01:23 PM

Mirage block is going to be drafted around the time the MOCS season ends; a relative "flood" of LEDs... time to start saving for a playset.

Barook

03-06-2014, 05:09 PM

Mirage block is going to be drafted around the time the MOCS season ends; a relative "flood" of LEDs... time to start saving for a playset.
Why would people draft Mirage block? :confused:

yugular

03-07-2014, 02:49 AM

Why would people draft Mirage block? :confused:

I have never drafted the block and I will likely do 1-2 drafts just because I want to try all formats that WotC offers. I imagine there will be few thousand other people like me + some folks who are just draft junkies and will draft it to get variance to other formats.

Technics

03-07-2014, 12:08 PM

Why would people draft Mirage block? :confused:

Because you money draft LED's? Seriously, it's cheaper to draft LED's than buy them, plus you end up with the mirage tutors as a bonus.

Freggle

03-07-2014, 12:35 PM

Why would people draft Mirage block? :confused:

Aside from the potential financial gains there is also nostalgia. It was the first draft-able set, and from what I recall no one knew what they were doing when it was a paper draft. For me it would be fun to draft it. Way more interesting to me than the current sets.

Barook

03-20-2014, 12:39 AM

Next month's promo is going to be FoW again.

And I really didn't want to grind again after the LED promo this month. :rolleyes:

apple713

03-20-2014, 12:56 AM

Next month's promo is going to be FoW again.

And I really didn't want to grind again after the LED promo this month. :rolleyes:

can you grind any format for these or how does it work?

EDIT* nm found it. seems like any event with 4 rounds....

it looks like you can only earn 1 card with 15 points. You would have to have multiple accounts to earn 2+ cards by grinding 15 points on each correct?

Barook

03-20-2014, 01:45 AM

can you grind any format for these or how does it work?
Sure, you can grind other formats, but then you're playing other formats.

You could also grind 35 points to get an additional Foil promo.

apple713

03-20-2014, 01:48 AM

Sure, you can grind other formats, but then you're playing other formats.

You could also grind 35 points to get an additional Foil promo.

is there a really cheap format that might be good to grind? I'm just starting out and I figure it would be good to possibly save some money by grinding some formats

mishima_kazuya

03-20-2014, 08:18 AM

is there a really cheap format that might be good to grind? I'm just starting out and I figure it would be good to possibly save some money by grinding some formats

Pauper. Although the skill barrier is a bit high due to some of the crazy and degenerate things that go on in that format.

After panic selling my collection, I only re-bought into Modern, so I have been using that to grind QPs for LEDs. Looks like I am going to be playing AnT and Modern to grind QPs to reacquire Force of Wills. :smile:

Barook

03-20-2014, 08:28 AM

Pauper
How can you realistically grind that after removing the Daily Events? There are only the Premier Events at the weekend and the other options like 2-mans and 8-mans have a shit EV.

yugular

03-20-2014, 09:16 AM

Yeah grinding QP's in Pauper is pretty hard at the moment if you are not familiar with the decks and can't attend all PE's. Block might be the cheapest format to try? I would go for Modern. Some of the decks that are tier 1-2 are pretty cheap to build and dailies are firing everyday.

mishima_kazuya

03-20-2014, 09:17 AM

How can you realistically grind that after removing the Daily Events? There are only the Premier Events at the weekend and the other options like 2-mans and 8-mans have a shit EV.

Holy crap I forgot that Daily Events for Pauper don't exist :eek:.

8 mans are pretty bad for eV(ticket wise), but they may be a good quick source of QPs. However, getting to the finals gets you a QP and winning the whole thing gets you 2 QPs. So at about 1.5 to 2 hours of play you get at least one QP.

Barook

03-20-2014, 09:31 AM

Block might be the cheapest format to try?
Block is dirt-cheap. RDW might not be the strongest choice, but it's only 15- 20 bucks. Mono Black Aggro is more expensive, but also performs better.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/block

But do you really want to play shit like Theros block to have a chance of saving a few bucks? Sounds like an awful, underpaid job rather than a fun hobby.

yugular

03-20-2014, 11:01 AM

But do you really want to play shit like Theros block to have a chance of saving a few bucks? Sounds like an awful, underpaid job rather than a fun hobby.

I know I wouldn't, but someone might if he/she just wants to grind QP's for as cheap investment as possible...

Lejay

03-20-2014, 11:05 AM

But do you really want to play shit like Theros block to have a chance of saving a few bucks? Sounds like an awful, underpaid job rather than a fun hobby.
As a legacy aficionado that needs to prepare Block constructed PT Atlanta I cried again after reading your post.

Barook

03-23-2014, 12:54 AM

Why are Born of the Gods booster rising while Theros is so low? Because the there's a surplus of Theros boosters, from 2-mans etc?

Barook

05-09-2014, 09:46 AM

So, V3 is coming to an end in July and they're going to force everybody V4 aka the current beta client.

I wasn't around when they changed from V2 to V3, but from what I hear, it was a catastrophe back then.

mishima_kazuya

05-12-2014, 08:32 AM

Brace yourself, MTGO Legacy is about to become a lot cheaper with dual lands being reprinted in Vintage Masters in June.

Although if V3 gets gutted in July, then it may be irrelevant.

Barook

05-12-2014, 08:47 AM

Brace yourself, MTGO Legacy is about to become a lot cheaper with dual lands being reprinted in Vintage Masters in June.

Although if V3 gets gutted in July, then it may be irrelevant.
I don't think that duals are the main problem of MTGO prices, but rather the Wastelands, Forces, Ports and Goyfs, among other things.

And I do expect a panic sell when V3 gets turned off. V4 sucks, but you can get used to it.

Vintage Masters sounds interesting, though. I might be tempted to draft it.

mishima_kazuya

05-12-2014, 11:26 AM

I don't think that duals are the main problem of MTGO prices, but rather the Wastelands, Forces, Ports and Goyfs, among other things.

And I do expect a panic sell when V3 gets turned off. V4 sucks, but you can get used to it.

Vintage Masters sounds interesting, though. I might be tempted to draft it.

I agree about those other staples. Atm I am stuck with miracles and AnT because paying over $350 for a set of wasteland or rishaden port seems unreasonable. It is especially true when that much money got me more than half of AnT or miracles after the free LEDS and FoWs

Myelectronicdays

05-12-2014, 11:29 AM

yeah duals are the cheap part of building legacy decks online.

Barook

05-12-2014, 03:58 PM

Realistically, they can bring back Wasteland, Port, FoW, City of Traitors, etc. since they're all cards before the 8th Edition and thus not Modern-legal.

mishima_kazuya

05-12-2014, 07:32 PM

Realistically, they can bring back Wasteland, Port, FoW, City of Traitors, etc. since they're all cards before the 8th Edition and thus not Modern-legal.

I would not be surprised since Wizards probably does not care too much about the secondary market on MTGO. On Twitter, a few MODO grinders/streamers thought that Force of Will would never get another promo run and/or thought Duals would not be in Vintage Masters. With the way Wizards is pumping up the circulation of Legacy staples, Vintage Masters could very realistically contain all the high end staples.

This might also lend credence to the theory that Wizards is phasing out paper Legacy and moving it to MTGO where the Reserved List won't hinder it.

Phoenix Ignition

05-12-2014, 08:44 PM

This might also lend credence to the theory that Wizards is phasing out paper Legacy and moving it to MTGO where the Reserved List won't hinder it.

With GPs regularly breaking attendance records and the game continually becoming more and more popular, I really don't see this happening. Also, I'm not sure if you play online, but the interface is freaking awful. If they really wanted to phase out paper magic they'd pour more money into making something as pretty as Hearthstone, not just the minimum amount to allow people to scrape by a game of magic.

Barook

05-12-2014, 11:35 PM

With GPs regularly breaking attendance records and the game continually becoming more and more popular, I really don't see this happening. Also, I'm not sure if you play online, but the interface is freaking awful. If they really wanted to phase out paper magic they'd pour more money into making something as pretty as Hearthstone, not just the minimum amount to allow people to scrape by a game of magic.
MTGO is somewhere between 30-50% of their revenue, despite being shitty as it is.

Let that sink into your head for a moment.

Phoenix Ignition

05-13-2014, 01:18 PM

MTGO is somewhere between 30-50% of their revenue, despite being shitty as it is.

Let that sink into your head for a moment.

Well yeah, they're basically printing free money, only instead of having to deal with the costs of paper, ink, and shipping, they just have to upload a jpeg and maybe once in a while update rules interactions. I'm just saying if they really wanted to phase out paper magic they'd try to make an interface halfway decent. Probably 25% of the games I lose online I can attribute to some form of interface error that I caused (accidentally hitting F2, double clicking attackers which tells them to not attack and usually happens from horrible lag issues).

Look at Hearthstone that game is a terribly dumbed down version of magic and people go to it in droves. I even play it because sometimes it's fun to click on shit and hear sounds happen. If Blizzard created a magic the gathering interface the world economy wouldn't know what hit it.

Richard Cheese

05-13-2014, 01:25 PM

Well yeah, they're basically printing free money, only instead of having to deal with the costs of paper, ink, and shipping, they just have to upload a jpeg and maybe once in a while update rules interactions. I'm just saying if they really wanted to phase out paper magic they'd try to make an interface halfway decent. Probably 25% of the games I lose online I can attribute to some form of interface error that I caused (accidentally hitting F2, double clicking attackers which tells them to not attack and usually happens from horrible lag issues).

Look at Hearthstone that game is a terribly dumbed down version of magic and people go to it in droves. I even play it because sometimes it's fun to click on shit and hear sounds happen. If Blizzard created a magic the gathering interface the world economy wouldn't know what hit it.

Well, except for the massive costs associated with running an online service. Hardware, bandwidth, cooling, power, maintenance, monitoring...it's all getting cheaper, but none of it is cheap. Even if they're paying someone else to host and maintain everything, they're still paying for all that stuff. It does seem like they're saving a shitload of money on development though. I'm pretty sure the old MicroProse game had a better interface and was more stable. That reminds me, I miss Shandalar. I'd play the shit out of a mobile version of that with updated cards.

Koby

05-13-2014, 01:38 PM

At this point in time, I would no longer recommend MTGO as a gaming platform, especially for Legacy. I do not trust nor have faith in WotC at being able to produce a useful online environment to play/test competitively for any format outside of Drafting.

However, I understand some people may have no option for paper play, and want to maintain their keep in the game. Here's some financial tips about the upcoming implosion:

The cut-over from V3 to V4 will result in some lost players. They will be liquidating their collections. Interest in play online will wane temporarily (est 3-6 months). During this time, the price of all cards will dip. Legacy will likely dip as well. This is a good time to pick up staples when the dip happens. Added to the cut-over, Vintage Masters will be in circulation. This is another good time to pick up and sit on the mana bases. Expect to pay about $15-20 per dual, if not less. I would guess that a $1000 could go pretty far w/r/t Legacy mana base. Wastelands and Forces may be a little tricky to find good deals on, as the former only dips when Tempest drafts return, and the latter is released as promos too infrequently to affect prices greatly. FoW can usually be found between 80-120, depending on the popularity of Legacy online.

It's a catch 22 really, the more popular Legacy is online, the worst it is to get in. The less popular it is, the cheaper you can buy in, but won't be able to play.

For those reasons stated above, I cashed out and am staying out of the MTGO platform.

Barook

05-13-2014, 01:58 PM

Hardware, bandwidth, cooling, power, maintenance, monitoring...it's all getting cheaper, but none of it is cheap. Even if they're paying someone else to host and maintain everything, they're still paying for all that stuff. It does seem like they're saving a shitload of money on development though.
Considering the general slowness of their servers, they probably run on a toaster. It shouldn't take two goddamn minutes to log in on a high-end PC with a good internet connection.

And MTGO development is a joke. From what I've gathered, the programmers are paid horribly, way below the industry standard. Now add to that their total incompetence and you get what the current MTGO experience is.

@Koby: Due the reprint announcement, probably combined with players cashing out, the dual prices are already beginning to drop. That doesn't make the fetches any cheaper, though. Depending on the number of staples reprinted for Vintage Masters, it might be a great time to buy in if you're interested in Legacy and able to stomach the subpar interface.

How much of the playerbase was lost when the switch from V2 to V3 happened?

Phoenix Ignition

05-13-2014, 02:47 PM

This end of the world stuff has been happening for like, what, 6 months now? (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27039-RIP-MODO-Dailies-(let-s-fire-some-8-mans-off-)&p=767065&viewfull=1#post767065) I mean, I don't pretend to say MTGO is a good platform, but magic's popularity seems to buoy the online scene regardless of how buggy it is. People were all talking about cashing out 6 months ago when they took away the dailies, and yet the online prices never really dropped. Vintage Masters might bring prices down, but WotC did a very good job of not flooding the market with Modern Masters, and despite the shittyness of the online platform the price of online goyfs only went up. People want to play Legacy, they just don't want to buy into the format. Giving them sealed product that allows them to get into the online scene will boost popularity and possibly even increase the prices.

How many times before have non-Standard format magic cards (digital or paper) really decreased in price? Sure, history doesn't always continue on the same vein, but we have almost no data points (digital or paper) that suggest the market tanking.

mishima_kazuya

05-13-2014, 03:15 PM

Barook

05-13-2014, 03:33 PM

From hearsay, when the plug was pulled from v2 for v3, prices actually crashed when many events were pulled to fix server issues. As a result of a mix of low prices and the lack of events, shm and eve packs were under drafted. A few years later SHM and EVE singles became very expensive due to a lack of supply
That might only be true for JOU since it's the only set that contains cards that aren't crap. Theros and BNG are overdrafted as hell, hence the currently low prices.

Maybe they can get prevent such an event this time, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Sure, MTGO makes them loads of cash, but I wonder how much they could make if they actually put effort into it to make a good product. Like it or not, tablets are defintely a growing market and they're basically ignoring it. While I'm prefering using a PC, a well-made version of MTGO for tablets with touchscreens might be very nice.

Lemnear

05-13-2014, 04:35 PM

That might only be true for JOU since it's the only set that contains cards that aren't crap. Theros and BNG are overdrafted as hell, hence the currently low prices.

Maybe they can get prevent such an event this time, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Sure, MTGO makes them loads of cash, but I wonder how much they could make if they actually put effort into it to make a good product. Like it or not, tablets are defintely a growing market and they're basically ignoring it. While I'm prefering using a PC, a well-made version of MTGO for tablets with touchscreens might be very nice.

If WotC would put real effort into the game overall it would wipe the floor with Hearthstone, but they prefer to run MTGO and the papergame with minimal efforts instead which is more than obvious considering how bad MTGO looks like/works and how uninspired their card design is in recent years.

P.S. I'm all for smaller sets without the dozens of fillers and requirement to deliver "new" mechanics for every expansion

mishima_kazuya

05-13-2014, 06:43 PM

The price of Force of Will is about to drop vertically.

https://twitter.com/MagicOnline/status/466337293603971072/photo/1

Koby

05-13-2014, 07:11 PM

thecrav

05-13-2014, 07:25 PM

That will hell alleviate some of the "ticket to enter" but other cards will soon replace the mighty FoW as barrier to entry.

Namely Wasteland and Fetchlands; Show & Tell; Misdirection, etc. The usual Blue cards.

I don't mind as much paying for fetchlands; at least they're useful in other formats.

Richard Cheese

05-13-2014, 07:26 PM

Is it even worth it for drafting/sealed? Seems like there's been a ton of griping about a recent update?

Also, holy shit Shandalar is still alive:

www.slightlymagic.net

Barook

05-13-2014, 09:56 PM

That will hell alleviate some of the "ticket to enter" but other cards will soon replace the mighty FoW as barrier to entry.

Namely Wasteland and Fetchlands; Show & Tell; Misdirection, etc. The usual Blue cards.
I can imagine they reprint stuff like Wasteland, Port, S&T etc. in Vintage Masters.

BVB09

05-20-2014, 08:07 AM

To MTGO players, how much do you think FoW will drop?
I need to buy the playset but I don't know if I should buy them now at (25-30) or will they drop more?
Could the opposite happen? In thinking of Tarmogoyf in MM...
Thank you

morgan_coke

05-20-2014, 08:34 AM

FoW is a rare in Vintage Masters, not a Mythic. It will drop below 20tix. Tarmogoyf stayed high because it was a Mythic. The only Mythics in VMA that are likely to maintain their current prices are; Mishra's Workshop, Bazaar of Baghdad, Oath of Druids, and Mana Drain. Those four cards will pull a Tarmogoyf, staying pretty close t current price, then rising after the set goes off sale. The other Mythics are all either very common (Skullclamp) or restricted one-ofs (Mana Crypt). Some are both (Demonic Tutor, Balance, etc.) Online Dual Lands are going to drop like big giant rocks. Droppity drop drop drop. Fetches will increase dramatically if they're not in Khans of Tarkir or M15.

mishima_kazuya

05-20-2014, 08:43 AM

Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Lion's Eye Diamond are also mythics. So if you ever plan on playing them online, you should probably pick them up between now and Vintage Master's release.

Nuke is Good

05-20-2014, 12:02 PM

That will hell alleviate some of the "ticket to enter" but other cards will soon replace the mighty FoW as barrier to entry.

Namely Wasteland and Fetchlands; Show & Tell; Misdirection, etc. The usual Blue cards.

I was extremely surprised on how expensive Misdirection is online vs it's paper counterpart. I cannot think of many decks that mainboard it, I SB it on reanimator.

Barook

05-20-2014, 01:54 PM

I was extremely surprised on how expensive Misdirection is online vs it's paper counterpart. I cannot think of many decks that mainboard it, I SB it on reanimator.
That's because nobody drafted MM back then because it sucks.

Port was also significantly more expensive than its paper counterpart for a long time.

As for FoW, it's still going to drop. The best time to pick it up is probably around when Vintage Masters has been around for a while. It's certainly staying longer than two weeks, unlike Modern Masters. Promo versions of FoW are already down to 36 tix, and it's going down further.

Koby

06-09-2014, 06:12 PM

I don't recommend players play the MTGO Vintage Master's Constructed events. This graph should indicate exactly why:

http://i.imgur.com/LSuV2F2.png

More info:
Constructed 2-man, Daily Events, & Premier Events paying out Vintage Masters (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/06092014/vma/constructed)
www.mtgonline.com
http://swisstriangle.net/

Barook

06-09-2014, 06:58 PM

That's a catastrophe.

2-mans that now cost 4 tickets? Going 3-1 in Daily Event only giving out 2 boosters which is a significant loss of value? WTF!?

Having 4 instead of 3 Legacy DEs isn't going to help when the payout sucks.

TeenieBopper

06-09-2014, 08:33 PM

I don't recommend players play the MTGO Vintage Master's Constructed events. This graph should indicate exactly why:

More info:
Constructed 2-man, Daily Events, & Premier Events paying out Vintage Masters (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/06092014/vma/constructed)
www.mtgonline.com

That graph can't be right. It's obvious looking at the prize payouts of the constructed dailies that non-VM payouts are better value (44/24 and 42/14 for 4-0/3-1 Non-VM and VM payouts, respectively).

However, unless I'm mistaken, the prize payout for VM should also be increasing as the # of players increases. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Y axis is total number of tickets in the prize pool, right? So for every 16 additional players, there will be 140 and 98 additional tickets added to the prize pool (because there will be an additional 4-0 and 4 more 3-1 records).

EDIT: wait, I guess it is increasing, but the rate of increase still seems incredibly low.
EDIT2: I'm reading the graph wrong. It's obviously some sort of ticket per player thing because value decreases until a multiple of 4 adds more tickets to the pool.

Fuck it, I'm just curious what calculations you did to plot that.